Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
#southafrica
Haim pogrund
Louis Herrman in his book the History of the Jews in South Africa,
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describes a Ralph Baruk >from Cork who immigrated to the Cape at that time. Haim P
On Jul 11, 2006, at 01:03, Saul Issroff wrote:
Does anyone know if this family actually went to the Cape and if
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
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Haim pogrund
Louis Herrman in his book the History of the Jews in South Africa,
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describes a Ralph Baruk >from Cork who immigrated to the Cape at that time. Haim P
On Jul 11, 2006, at 01:03, Saul Issroff wrote:
Does anyone know if this family actually went to the Cape and if
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Baruk
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Hazel Dakers
Saul
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I've just checked MD Nash: The Settler Handbook which I find pretty reliable. Ralph Baruk, apothecary, apparently travelled in Parker's Party. They were largely a mixture of Irish and Londoners who had already been turned down by Bathurst.Could Ralph have been Raphael? Hazel Dakers, London UK Researching: NORDEN (London & South Africa); HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany and South Africa); GOLD (Zgierz and Lodz, Poland), BIRNBAUM (Zgierz and Lodz, Poland)
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Subject: BARUK, 1820 Settler ?? From: Saul Issroff <saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:03:19 +0100 Does anyone know if this family actually went to the Cape and if (because of the Biblical given names and surname that is similar to Baruch) ,was Jewish? Saul In August 1819 Daniel BARUK, Physician & Accoucheur, Aged 37 years with his wife, Mary BARUK Aged 36 and children applied to lead a party of 1820 Settlers to the Cape Colony. (ref: CO48/41 at the National Archives Kew, London) children : Samuel BARUK 17 Fanny BARUK 16 Lewis BARUK 15 Raphael BARUK,Apothecary,19 residing at 21 Mansell Street, Goodmans Fields A further extract " On August 30 1819 Mr. Astley COOPER has the honour of informing Lord BATHURST that Dr. BARUK is anxious to proceed to the Cape of Good Hope as a settler. He has four children with very limited means of supporting them and he is therefore very anxious to place them in a situation in which they may have a prospect of providing for themselves. Dr. BARUK as been known to Mr. A. COOPER for many years and he has a high opinion of his professional talents" Dr Baruk wrote "as I have long practised with success as Physician and Accoucheur, being a graduate of the University of Aberdeen, and a member of the College of Surgeons in London, this remark will not I trust be thought too presuming." He was fluent in Dutch and German. In the light of a surname that seems close to Baruch, and biblical names of his family, was he Jewish and did he eventually get permission to go to the Cape under the assisted passage scheme? Saul Issroff
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Baruk
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Hazel Dakers
Saul
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I've just checked MD Nash: The Settler Handbook which I find pretty reliable. Ralph Baruk, apothecary, apparently travelled in Parker's Party. They were largely a mixture of Irish and Londoners who had already been turned down by Bathurst.Could Ralph have been Raphael? Hazel Dakers, London UK Researching: NORDEN (London & South Africa); HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany and South Africa); GOLD (Zgierz and Lodz, Poland), BIRNBAUM (Zgierz and Lodz, Poland)
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Subject: BARUK, 1820 Settler ?? From: Saul Issroff <saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:03:19 +0100 Does anyone know if this family actually went to the Cape and if (because of the Biblical given names and surname that is similar to Baruch) ,was Jewish? Saul In August 1819 Daniel BARUK, Physician & Accoucheur, Aged 37 years with his wife, Mary BARUK Aged 36 and children applied to lead a party of 1820 Settlers to the Cape Colony. (ref: CO48/41 at the National Archives Kew, London) children : Samuel BARUK 17 Fanny BARUK 16 Lewis BARUK 15 Raphael BARUK,Apothecary,19 residing at 21 Mansell Street, Goodmans Fields A further extract " On August 30 1819 Mr. Astley COOPER has the honour of informing Lord BATHURST that Dr. BARUK is anxious to proceed to the Cape of Good Hope as a settler. He has four children with very limited means of supporting them and he is therefore very anxious to place them in a situation in which they may have a prospect of providing for themselves. Dr. BARUK as been known to Mr. A. COOPER for many years and he has a high opinion of his professional talents" Dr Baruk wrote "as I have long practised with success as Physician and Accoucheur, being a graduate of the University of Aberdeen, and a member of the College of Surgeons in London, this remark will not I trust be thought too presuming." He was fluent in Dutch and German. In the light of a surname that seems close to Baruch, and biblical names of his family, was he Jewish and did he eventually get permission to go to the Cape under the assisted passage scheme? Saul Issroff
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Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
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Len Yodaiken <shoshly@...>
Hi Saul,
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All this Baruk (Baruch) family births are recorded in Vol. V of the Spanish and Portuguese Community in London Regards Len Yodaiken
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From: "Saul Issroff" <saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk> To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: [safrica] BARUK, 1820 Settler ?? Does anyone know if this family actually went to the Cape and if (becauseof the Biblical given names and surname that is similar to Baruch) ,was Jewish?
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Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
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Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
After my last posting on this topic, I realized that Ralph Baruk had come
out to South Africa with the Parker party and that they had settled in Albany. I contacted the Albany Museum and their resident genealogist there sent me some wonderful bits of information relating to Ralph Baruk. They stated the following: 1. He had joined the David Polley Francis group of families which was part of the Parker party. David Polley Francis had originally been part of the elder Baruk's initial efforts to come out to SA that failed to gain support. 2. Francis had returned to England at about the time that Baruk disappeared from the records of the area. Francis returned again to SA and settled inPort Elizabeth. It may be that Baruk returned with him to England and then came back with him as well. So, it is always good to contact the many small Museums that dot the South African landscape as they may have unexpected information to help in your research. In a further effort to determine if the Baruk family were Jewish, I looked in the book "Joodse Achternamen in Amsterdam, 1669 - 1850" which provides a listing of Jewish family names >from that time period. I did not find the Baruk surname there unfortunately. More to come on this topic if I dig it up!!!! Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
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Len Yodaiken <shoshly@...>
Hi Saul,
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All this Baruk (Baruch) family births are recorded in Vol. V of the Spanish and Portuguese Community in London Regards Len Yodaiken
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From: "Saul Issroff" <saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk> To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: [safrica] BARUK, 1820 Settler ?? Does anyone know if this family actually went to the Cape and if (becauseof the Biblical given names and surname that is similar to Baruch) ,was Jewish?
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
#southafrica
Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
After my last posting on this topic, I realized that Ralph Baruk had come
out to South Africa with the Parker party and that they had settled in Albany. I contacted the Albany Museum and their resident genealogist there sent me some wonderful bits of information relating to Ralph Baruk. They stated the following: 1. He had joined the David Polley Francis group of families which was part of the Parker party. David Polley Francis had originally been part of the elder Baruk's initial efforts to come out to SA that failed to gain support. 2. Francis had returned to England at about the time that Baruk disappeared from the records of the area. Francis returned again to SA and settled inPort Elizabeth. It may be that Baruk returned with him to England and then came back with him as well. So, it is always good to contact the many small Museums that dot the South African landscape as they may have unexpected information to help in your research. In a further effort to determine if the Baruk family were Jewish, I looked in the book "Joodse Achternamen in Amsterdam, 1669 - 1850" which provides a listing of Jewish family names >from that time period. I did not find the Baruk surname there unfortunately. More to come on this topic if I dig it up!!!! Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
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Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
There is a fascinating web site called the British 1820 Settlers to South
Africa Genealogy Web Site which can be reached at: http://www.1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=Topics As you will see, there are numerous documents relating to Settler Letters and, amongst them, a series relating to Dr. Daniel Baruk. There is also a listing for an actual settler, a Ralph Baruk, who was an apothecary, born 1794, and who was part of the Parker party, sailing on the ship East Indian. The Parker party settled in Drog Valley in the Clanwilliam district and some moved to Albany. As you can see >from the Daniel Baruk's letters, his eldest son was Raphael or Ralph Baruk, an apothecary, age 19, in 1819. No further mention on the site of the Daniel Baruk family as a whole as being actual settlers, i.e., Danie Baruk, age 37, Mary Baruk, wife, age 36, Samuel Baruk, age 17, Fanny Baruk, age 16, and Lewis Baruk, age 15. http://www.1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=121 I did find a Daniel Baruk who is listed in the quarterly death registrations for 1863 in Whitechapel. There is also a Selina Baruk who died in 1862 in Whitechapel as well. I would assume if the death record could be obtained, it would confirm whether this was the same Daniel Baruk or not. In addition, there appears to be a birth of a Wolf Baruk in 1892 in St. George in the East, London, Surrey. This actual record too could provide information on the Baruk family and what happened to them. Further research shows a Baruk family who went to California, one to New York and one to Ontario. Possibly, these are not related, but the records show that the families originally came >from England. Funnily, the Baruk family does not appear in the available British Census years beginning with 1841, although the vital records prove there were Baruk individuals living in London. Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: BARUK, 1820 Settler ??
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Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
There is a fascinating web site called the British 1820 Settlers to South
Africa Genealogy Web Site which can be reached at: http://www.1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=Topics As you will see, there are numerous documents relating to Settler Letters and, amongst them, a series relating to Dr. Daniel Baruk. There is also a listing for an actual settler, a Ralph Baruk, who was an apothecary, born 1794, and who was part of the Parker party, sailing on the ship East Indian. The Parker party settled in Drog Valley in the Clanwilliam district and some moved to Albany. As you can see >from the Daniel Baruk's letters, his eldest son was Raphael or Ralph Baruk, an apothecary, age 19, in 1819. No further mention on the site of the Daniel Baruk family as a whole as being actual settlers, i.e., Danie Baruk, age 37, Mary Baruk, wife, age 36, Samuel Baruk, age 17, Fanny Baruk, age 16, and Lewis Baruk, age 15. http://www.1820settlers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=121 I did find a Daniel Baruk who is listed in the quarterly death registrations for 1863 in Whitechapel. There is also a Selina Baruk who died in 1862 in Whitechapel as well. I would assume if the death record could be obtained, it would confirm whether this was the same Daniel Baruk or not. In addition, there appears to be a birth of a Wolf Baruk in 1892 in St. George in the East, London, Surrey. This actual record too could provide information on the Baruk family and what happened to them. Further research shows a Baruk family who went to California, one to New York and one to Ontario. Possibly, these are not related, but the records show that the families originally came >from England. Funnily, the Baruk family does not appear in the available British Census years beginning with 1841, although the vital records prove there were Baruk individuals living in London. Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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Viewmate: Requesting translation Yiddish to English
#ukraine
Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
Dear Group:
An old one-page letter, supposedly >from Rivke to her brother, is posted at Viewmate - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8162 (A fellow Genner has already written me that it is actually to a sister and brother-in-law, though he has not translated the rest of the note or the signature.) All help will be greatly appreciated. Please write directly to me at lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Michelle Frager, NY area lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Ukraine: TREIGER SIROTA NESTER ZEKTSER GLUZMAN SHVAISBERG/SHWISBERG Belarus & Lith.: FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Viewmate: Requesting translation Yiddish to English
#ukraine
Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
Dear Group:
An old one-page letter, supposedly >from Rivke to her brother, is posted at Viewmate - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8162 (A fellow Genner has already written me that it is actually to a sister and brother-in-law, though he has not translated the rest of the note or the signature.) All help will be greatly appreciated. Please write directly to me at lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Michelle Frager, NY area lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Ukraine: TREIGER SIROTA NESTER ZEKTSER GLUZMAN SHVAISBERG/SHWISBERG Belarus & Lith.: FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ
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Re: DANILOVICIAI ( Dunilovichi, Vileika uyezd, Vilna gubernia?)
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Eilat Gordin Levitan
Eric Svirskis wrote; ,Interested in (town; DANILOVICIAI): FLEXER,
GANTOVNIK, OKUN, MUSZKATBLAT, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS or SWIRSKY (Panevesz/Panecevysz), & ZILBERMAN (Widze/Vidzy) There was a Muszkat family in Dunilovichi, Vileika uyezd, Vilna gubernia. It is not far >from Widze/Vidzy and Swir (where most Svirskies originated from).I created pages with many pictures, maps, list and stories for Dunilovichi http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/dunilovichi/dunilovichi.html as well as for Panevezys http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/panevezys/panevezys.html and Widze/ Vidzy http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/vidzy/vidzy.html. I Would love to include your family pictures and or information. Thank you very much, Eilat Gordin Levitan Los Angeles I always thought my late father came >from PANEVEZYS but his passport saysMODERATOR'S NOTE: Please write to Eilat privately if you have photos for her web pages.
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re:DANILOVICIAI ( Dunilovichi, Vileika uyezd, Vilna gubernia?)
#lithuania
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Eric Svirskis wrote; ,Interested in (town; DANILOVICIAI): FLEXER,
GANTOVNIK, OKUN, MUSZKATBLAT, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS or SWIRSKY (Panevesz/Panecevysz), & ZILBERMAN (Widze/Vidzy) There was a Muszkat family in Dunilovichi, Vileika uyezd, Vilna gubernia. It is not far >from Widze/Vidzy and Swir (where most Svirskies originated from).I created pages with many pictures, maps, list and stories for Dunilovichi http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/dunilovichi/dunilovichi.html as well as for Panevezys http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/panevezys/panevezys.html and Widze/ Vidzy http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/vidzy/vidzy.html. I Would love to include your family pictures and or information. Thank you very much, Eilat Gordin Levitan Los Angeles I always thought my late father came >from PANEVEZYS but his passport saysMODERATOR'S NOTE: Please write to Eilat privately if you have photos for her web pages.
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Re: MODOVAN family
#romania
Logan J. Kleinwaks
If you examine on ellisisland.org the image of MOLDOVAN's passenger
manifest, you will see that the town name is difficult to read, but probably is not "Gychanhzas." Also, several adjacent people on this passenger manifest come >from the same town, which might help you locate it. The rarest (judging by how many appear in the 1924/1925 business directory searchable at www.kalter.org/search) of these surnames seems to be RUSZ. Best regards, Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu near Washington, D.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: MOLDOVAN Family From: "rebeka" <ionidia@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:45:07 +0300 (E. Europe Standard Time) X-Message-Number: 2 Shalom to all . I correct the spell of the name , witch is MOLDOVAN not MODOVAN I found an information about an ship passenger >from hamburg to america NY( Pennsylvania ship ) in mars1909. His name was Elisic(e) MOLDOVAN. (45 y.o. )
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Romania SIG #Romania Re: MODOVAN family
#romania
Logan J. Kleinwaks
If you examine on ellisisland.org the image of MOLDOVAN's passenger
manifest, you will see that the town name is difficult to read, but probably is not "Gychanhzas." Also, several adjacent people on this passenger manifest come >from the same town, which might help you locate it. The rarest (judging by how many appear in the 1924/1925 business directory searchable at www.kalter.org/search) of these surnames seems to be RUSZ. Best regards, Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu near Washington, D.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: MOLDOVAN Family From: "rebeka" <ionidia@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:45:07 +0300 (E. Europe Standard Time) X-Message-Number: 2 Shalom to all . I correct the spell of the name , witch is MOLDOVAN not MODOVAN I found an information about an ship passenger >from hamburg to america NY( Pennsylvania ship ) in mars1909. His name was Elisic(e) MOLDOVAN. (45 y.o. )
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Romania SIG Meeting at the IAJGS Conference - Tuesday, August 15th, 4:45 to 6:00pm, Olmstead Room
#romania
Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
Romania SIG Meeting at the IAJGS Conference
Tuesday, August 15th, 4:45 to 6:00pm in the Olmstead Room -------------------------------------------------------------- The Romania-SIG will hold its annual meeting at the IAJGS Conference on Tuesday, August 15th >from 4:45 to 6:00pm in the Olmstead Room on the 7th floor of the Marriott Marquis Hotel, New York. The ROM-SIG covers all of present-day Romania and the Republic of Moldova, as well as the southwestern portion of Ukraine and southern Hungary. This area includes the regions formerly known as Bukovina, Bessarabia, Transylvania, and the Banat. The main thrust of our work in 2005 was to enter more data into the All-Romanian database, including records >from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and the LDS. We have added chapters of the Pinkhas Hakehillot Romania to the Yizkor Book site and are working on adding books about the Jewish communities of Iasi and Podu Iloaiei. We are also working on the addition of cemetery data to JOWBR on JewishGen. There will be testimonials provided by Renee Steinig and Simon Kreinder, both of whom just returned >from a reunion of over 50 native Czernowitzers held in Chernivtsi, Ukraine, in late May 2006. Developments in Romania research will be discussed and there will also be a question period. We are also requesting that if you have records for surnames that others in the group are researching, please bring copies to share with them. We look forward to seeing everyone again and meeting "new" Romania-SIG researchers who have not attended this group meeting before. As Rosanne Leeson and Paula Zieselman, ROM-SIG coordinators, are not able to attend the conference this year, the meeting will be run by Bruce Reisch and Merle Kastner. If you have any questions about the Rom-Sig meeting, feel free to contact us: Bruce Reisch bir1@nysaes.cornell.edu Merle Kastner merlek@videotron.ca
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Romania SIG #Romania Romania SIG Meeting at the IAJGS Conference - Tuesday, August 15th, 4:45 to 6:00pm, Olmstead Room
#romania
Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
Romania SIG Meeting at the IAJGS Conference
Tuesday, August 15th, 4:45 to 6:00pm in the Olmstead Room -------------------------------------------------------------- The Romania-SIG will hold its annual meeting at the IAJGS Conference on Tuesday, August 15th >from 4:45 to 6:00pm in the Olmstead Room on the 7th floor of the Marriott Marquis Hotel, New York. The ROM-SIG covers all of present-day Romania and the Republic of Moldova, as well as the southwestern portion of Ukraine and southern Hungary. This area includes the regions formerly known as Bukovina, Bessarabia, Transylvania, and the Banat. The main thrust of our work in 2005 was to enter more data into the All-Romanian database, including records >from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and the LDS. We have added chapters of the Pinkhas Hakehillot Romania to the Yizkor Book site and are working on adding books about the Jewish communities of Iasi and Podu Iloaiei. We are also working on the addition of cemetery data to JOWBR on JewishGen. There will be testimonials provided by Renee Steinig and Simon Kreinder, both of whom just returned >from a reunion of over 50 native Czernowitzers held in Chernivtsi, Ukraine, in late May 2006. Developments in Romania research will be discussed and there will also be a question period. We are also requesting that if you have records for surnames that others in the group are researching, please bring copies to share with them. We look forward to seeing everyone again and meeting "new" Romania-SIG researchers who have not attended this group meeting before. As Rosanne Leeson and Paula Zieselman, ROM-SIG coordinators, are not able to attend the conference this year, the meeting will be run by Bruce Reisch and Merle Kastner. If you have any questions about the Rom-Sig meeting, feel free to contact us: Bruce Reisch bir1@nysaes.cornell.edu Merle Kastner merlek@videotron.ca
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Viewmate: Requesting translation Yiddish to English
#belarus
Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
Dear Group:
An old one-page letter, supposedly >from Rivke to her brother, is posted at Viewmate - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8162 (A fellow Genner has already written me that it is actually to a sister and brother-in-law, though he has not translated the rest of the note or the signature.) All help will be greatly appreciated. Please write directly to me at lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Michelle Frager, NY area lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Ukraine: TREIGER SIROTA NESTER ZEKTSER GLUZMAN SHVAISBERG/SHWISBERG Belarus & Lith.: FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Viewmate: Requesting translation Yiddish to English
#belarus
Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
Dear Group:
An old one-page letter, supposedly >from Rivke to her brother, is posted at Viewmate - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8162 (A fellow Genner has already written me that it is actually to a sister and brother-in-law, though he has not translated the rest of the note or the signature.) All help will be greatly appreciated. Please write directly to me at lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Michelle Frager, NY area lulu_brooks@yahoo.com Ukraine: TREIGER SIROTA NESTER ZEKTSER GLUZMAN SHVAISBERG/SHWISBERG Belarus & Lith.: FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ
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