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Origins of Hungarian Jews #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I must take issue with Celia Male's recent comment that "up to 80 percent of
Hungarian Jews are of Bohemian and Moravian descent and could therefore be
related to the Maharal. '"

She doesn't provide a source but according to Erno Marton's Family Tree of
Hungarian Jewry, perhaps the most significant work on the subject of Hungarian
Jewish origins, this statement is not correct.

Marton identifies the counties along the Moravian border as one of Hungary's
three immigration border zones between 1700 and 1910. According to the 1735
Jewish Census, 38% of Hungary's 2,530 Jewish heads of families were born in
Moravia compared with 11 percent >from Poland. He states that in-migration
from Moravia was significant until the late 18th century but this ended about
1760-70. By the time of the 1787 census, the proportion of Hungarian Jews
along the Moravian border had dropped to 25.8%.

from then on, this proportion consistently declined until it reached 6.1% in
1910. By the end of the 18th century the vast majority of Jewish immigrants
into Hungary were >from Galicia and Poland.

Large scale immigration >from Poland into Hungary began after the first partition
of Poland in 1772 when Galicia, a Polish province with a large Jewish population,
came under Habsburg rule. By 1910, 26.6 percent of Hungary's Jewish population
were living in counties along the Polish and Galician border compared with 6.1%
in the counties along the Moravian border.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Origins of Hungarian Jews #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I must take issue with Celia Male's recent comment that "up to 80 percent of
Hungarian Jews are of Bohemian and Moravian descent and could therefore be
related to the Maharal. '"

She doesn't provide a source but according to Erno Marton's Family Tree of
Hungarian Jewry, perhaps the most significant work on the subject of Hungarian
Jewish origins, this statement is not correct.

Marton identifies the counties along the Moravian border as one of Hungary's
three immigration border zones between 1700 and 1910. According to the 1735
Jewish Census, 38% of Hungary's 2,530 Jewish heads of families were born in
Moravia compared with 11 percent >from Poland. He states that in-migration
from Moravia was significant until the late 18th century but this ended about
1760-70. By the time of the 1787 census, the proportion of Hungarian Jews
along the Moravian border had dropped to 25.8%.

from then on, this proportion consistently declined until it reached 6.1% in
1910. By the end of the 18th century the vast majority of Jewish immigrants
into Hungary were >from Galicia and Poland.

Large scale immigration >from Poland into Hungary began after the first partition
of Poland in 1772 when Galicia, a Polish province with a large Jewish population,
came under Habsburg rule. By 1910, 26.6 percent of Hungary's Jewish population
were living in counties along the Polish and Galician border compared with 6.1%
in the counties along the Moravian border.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator


Re: Los Angeles death records #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

Death records for the City of Los Angeles are held by the County of Los
Angeles, not the city, on the website referenced earlier (L.A. County
Registrar-Recorder). In one instance, where I was unable to get a birth
record >from the County, I was able to get it >from the State of California,
but it took a very long time. This is the State website, but I would
definitely try Los Angeles County first.

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/hisp/chs/OVR/Ordercert.htm

Marion Werle


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Los Angeles death records #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

Death records for the City of Los Angeles are held by the County of Los
Angeles, not the city, on the website referenced earlier (L.A. County
Registrar-Recorder). In one instance, where I was unable to get a birth
record >from the County, I was able to get it >from the State of California,
but it took a very long time. This is the State website, but I would
definitely try Los Angeles County first.

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/hisp/chs/OVR/Ordercert.htm

Marion Werle


Lodz cemetery #general

electro24 <electro24@...>
 

Good morning researchers to how of you that are researching into the Lodz
cemetery as I am doing for the last mouth o years,I detect that the Fundacja
Monumentum Iudaicum Lodzense had update the left side of the cemetery.
in the right side I finded months ago many of my family(included grandmother and
grandgrandmother) and now in these update of the left side i fill that I find my
grandfather burial place.


http://www.jewishlodzcemetery.org
http://www.cmentarz.mm.com.pl/

Jorge Madrowicz
Buenos Aires, Argentina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lodz cemetery #general

electro24 <electro24@...>
 

Good morning researchers to how of you that are researching into the Lodz
cemetery as I am doing for the last mouth o years,I detect that the Fundacja
Monumentum Iudaicum Lodzense had update the left side of the cemetery.
in the right side I finded months ago many of my family(included grandmother and
grandgrandmother) and now in these update of the left side i fill that I find my
grandfather burial place.


http://www.jewishlodzcemetery.org
http://www.cmentarz.mm.com.pl/

Jorge Madrowicz
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Re: FELDMAN from Puchavicki #belarus

Boris Krantz <boris@...>
 

I can add one data point, which may or may not be useful. I possess a
Marriage record (not the whole Certificate) for Lisa Krantz, my father's
sister and the daughter of Boris (Berko) Krantz, who was married to a Meer
FELDMAN in 1909.

As to location, I make the assumption of Brest Le Tovsk, Belarus, since my
father and one brother had already arrived >from Brest to New HYork City by
1908. A third brother left Brest in 1912.

Finally, I do have many records indicating the family originated in Zamosc
and I assume had moved to Brest approximately 1900.

Boris M. Krantz
Bedminster, NJ USA
Searching: KRANTZ, PERLIS, FELDMAN, WELLER (Brest, Zamosc, Medzericz
Podlaski, Lublin)

-----Original Message-----

Subject: FELDMAN >from Puchavicki
From: Alanjfel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:14:57 EDT

Attn: Rose Feldman

A long shot- I have had very litte luck in finding any information
on my family.
Would your family have any connection to Puchavicki Belarus?
This is where my family emigrated to the US about 1900.

Thanks

Alan Feldman
alanjfel@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Re:FELDMAN from Puchavicki #belarus

Boris Krantz <boris@...>
 

I can add one data point, which may or may not be useful. I possess a
Marriage record (not the whole Certificate) for Lisa Krantz, my father's
sister and the daughter of Boris (Berko) Krantz, who was married to a Meer
FELDMAN in 1909.

As to location, I make the assumption of Brest Le Tovsk, Belarus, since my
father and one brother had already arrived >from Brest to New HYork City by
1908. A third brother left Brest in 1912.

Finally, I do have many records indicating the family originated in Zamosc
and I assume had moved to Brest approximately 1900.

Boris M. Krantz
Bedminster, NJ USA
Searching: KRANTZ, PERLIS, FELDMAN, WELLER (Brest, Zamosc, Medzericz
Podlaski, Lublin)

-----Original Message-----

Subject: FELDMAN >from Puchavicki
From: Alanjfel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:14:57 EDT

Attn: Rose Feldman

A long shot- I have had very litte luck in finding any information
on my family.
Would your family have any connection to Puchavicki Belarus?
This is where my family emigrated to the US about 1900.

Thanks

Alan Feldman
alanjfel@aol.com


Re: Tykocin Synagogue Records. #poland

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subjedct: Tykocin Synagogue Records.

To George Cabat,

I think you can be glad because I have good news

I told with Mrs Ewa Wroczynska - director of Synagogue Museum in Tykocin
and she is very knowledgeable woman.

She told your wanted surname she knew very well.
It was very famous family in Tykocin and Lomza.

In Tykocin lived Abracham Mordehay Olsztein who had three sons Chone , Judke
and Siskind and one daughter Chinka who married Lary Kabat >from Bialystok
and went to US in 1908.

Avraham, Abraham was a merchant and he worked in chicken business and
agricultural ones- flour etc,
In 1920 Abraham with his sons founded Transport Services Company- they
offered services of transport between Tykocin - Lomza.
They had their property and office in Tykocin - Nadkanalna Street

Abraham Mordehay Olsztein died in 1936 and his wife died in the first day
of coming into Tykocin of German in WWII.

These facts were written in Hebrew in Israel book in Hebrew.
I asked Mrs. Ewa Wroczynska about sending scan of that page which was
translated by her to Polish.

Likely two of sons of Abraham Mordehay Olsztein survived Holocaust.

On 24 th of August at 3 pm. will be official Ceremony in honour of
Holocaust of Tykocin Jews in 65 anniversary of their death .
The large groupe of people >from Isreal will arrive to Tykocin to celebrate
this Ceremony and of courses Polish people, too.

Mrs. Ewa Wroczynska told me you can write to Register Office of Town Tykocin
and probably they could have originals or copies of acts of your family,
because they are Tykocin heritage.

If you want to see Tykocin in net you can use the link below.
http://www.galeriatykocin.art.pl/fotografie.php.

Warm regards.
Dorota Targonska
Poland


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: Tykocin Synagogue Records. #poland

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subjedct: Tykocin Synagogue Records.

To George Cabat,

I think you can be glad because I have good news

I told with Mrs Ewa Wroczynska - director of Synagogue Museum in Tykocin
and she is very knowledgeable woman.

She told your wanted surname she knew very well.
It was very famous family in Tykocin and Lomza.

In Tykocin lived Abracham Mordehay Olsztein who had three sons Chone , Judke
and Siskind and one daughter Chinka who married Lary Kabat >from Bialystok
and went to US in 1908.

Avraham, Abraham was a merchant and he worked in chicken business and
agricultural ones- flour etc,
In 1920 Abraham with his sons founded Transport Services Company- they
offered services of transport between Tykocin - Lomza.
They had their property and office in Tykocin - Nadkanalna Street

Abraham Mordehay Olsztein died in 1936 and his wife died in the first day
of coming into Tykocin of German in WWII.

These facts were written in Hebrew in Israel book in Hebrew.
I asked Mrs. Ewa Wroczynska about sending scan of that page which was
translated by her to Polish.

Likely two of sons of Abraham Mordehay Olsztein survived Holocaust.

On 24 th of August at 3 pm. will be official Ceremony in honour of
Holocaust of Tykocin Jews in 65 anniversary of their death .
The large groupe of people >from Isreal will arrive to Tykocin to celebrate
this Ceremony and of courses Polish people, too.

Mrs. Ewa Wroczynska told me you can write to Register Office of Town Tykocin
and probably they could have originals or copies of acts of your family,
because they are Tykocin heritage.

If you want to see Tykocin in net you can use the link below.
http://www.galeriatykocin.art.pl/fotografie.php.

Warm regards.
Dorota Targonska
Poland


Re: FELDMAN from Puchavicki #belarus

vcharny@...
 

Just a suggestion. Puchavicki, Belarus most possibly was Pukhovichi
(Pukhavichi) of former Igumen uyezd, Minsk Gubernia.

Igumen uyezd was the area where FELDMAN name was common among Jews,
especially in Smilovichi and also in Igumen, Pogoct, Shatsk, Seliba,
Lapichi, Uzlyany. Pukhovichi has very few references for FELDMAN.

Among other places of Minsk Gubernia where are mothe than few
references to FELDMAN records of 19 century - Pinsk (Pinsk, Karolin,
Stolin, Pogost, Logishin, Lyubeshov), Mozyr (Mozyr, Turov), Minsk
(Minsk, Koidanov, Kamen'). Other places also possible - people moved
from place to place.
But the "capital" of FELDMANs in Minsk Gubernia was Smilovichi of
Igumen uyezd.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

-----Original Message-----

Subject: FELDMAN >from Puchavicki
From: Alanjfel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:14:57 EDT

Attn: Rose Feldman

A long shot- I have had very litte luck in finding any information
on my family.
Would your family have any connection to Puchavicki Belarus?
This is where my family emigrated to the US about 1900.

Thanks

Alan Feldman
alanjfel@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: FELDMAN from Puchavicki #belarus

vcharny@...
 

Just a suggestion. Puchavicki, Belarus most possibly was Pukhovichi
(Pukhavichi) of former Igumen uyezd, Minsk Gubernia.

Igumen uyezd was the area where FELDMAN name was common among Jews,
especially in Smilovichi and also in Igumen, Pogoct, Shatsk, Seliba,
Lapichi, Uzlyany. Pukhovichi has very few references for FELDMAN.

Among other places of Minsk Gubernia where are mothe than few
references to FELDMAN records of 19 century - Pinsk (Pinsk, Karolin,
Stolin, Pogost, Logishin, Lyubeshov), Mozyr (Mozyr, Turov), Minsk
(Minsk, Koidanov, Kamen'). Other places also possible - people moved
from place to place.
But the "capital" of FELDMANs in Minsk Gubernia was Smilovichi of
Igumen uyezd.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

-----Original Message-----

Subject: FELDMAN >from Puchavicki
From: Alanjfel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:14:57 EDT

Attn: Rose Feldman

A long shot- I have had very litte luck in finding any information
on my family.
Would your family have any connection to Puchavicki Belarus?
This is where my family emigrated to the US about 1900.

Thanks

Alan Feldman
alanjfel@aol.com


WWI events in Lithuania #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Chaim Freedman posted yesterday today regarding the usefulness of some
translated articles relaing to WWI history. I would like to point out the
American Jewish Year Book does the same thing and is invaluable. Try this
resource at www.ajcarchives.org . The AJYB is online in PDF format for the
tears 1899 - 2005. An index volume exists for the years 1899 - 1949 however,
I have searched it extensively and have found it is not complete if you are
trying to locate a specific town. I have developed a method for searching
this resource over entire historical periods (WWI, pre-WWII through the end
of the war, etc). It has been a great resource and I highly recommend it.

Joel Ratner


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania WWI events in Lithuania #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Chaim Freedman posted yesterday today regarding the usefulness of some
translated articles relaing to WWI history. I would like to point out the
American Jewish Year Book does the same thing and is invaluable. Try this
resource at www.ajcarchives.org . The AJYB is online in PDF format for the
tears 1899 - 2005. An index volume exists for the years 1899 - 1949 however,
I have searched it extensively and have found it is not complete if you are
trying to locate a specific town. I have developed a method for searching
this resource over entire historical periods (WWI, pre-WWII through the end
of the war, etc). It has been a great resource and I highly recommend it.

Joel Ratner


translation from Polish #poland

leselbaum alain
 

Hello,

I would appreciate if somebody could translate three records received >from
Polish Archives.

Marriage WEINFELD Szlama Jakub - LESELBAUM Rojza Cyrla, Warszawa
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8061

Marriage CHOCHMAN Aron - FRYDEL Estera, Lodz
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8062

Death FRYDEL Elias, Lodz
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8063

Thank you very much for any help.

Please send the responses directly to me.

Best regards

Alain LESELBAUM
Paris (France)

Others researches :
LESELBAUM / LESSELBAUM, LIPSZYC, AKERAJZEN, REISFEDER, >from Warzsawa.
TKATCHOFF (all spellings), SKOLNIK, >from Nossenvici (Belarus)
SCHOLOMOFF, >from Chernigov and Novi Bassagne (Ukrainia)


JRI Poland #Poland translation from Polish #poland

leselbaum alain
 

Hello,

I would appreciate if somebody could translate three records received >from
Polish Archives.

Marriage WEINFELD Szlama Jakub - LESELBAUM Rojza Cyrla, Warszawa
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8061

Marriage CHOCHMAN Aron - FRYDEL Estera, Lodz
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8062

Death FRYDEL Elias, Lodz
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8063

Thank you very much for any help.

Please send the responses directly to me.

Best regards

Alain LESELBAUM
Paris (France)

Others researches :
LESELBAUM / LESSELBAUM, LIPSZYC, AKERAJZEN, REISFEDER, >from Warzsawa.
TKATCHOFF (all spellings), SKOLNIK, >from Nossenvici (Belarus)
SCHOLOMOFF, >from Chernigov and Novi Bassagne (Ukrainia)


Re: Where is/was Lomzhinskoy? #general

Margaret Mikulska <silvagen@...>
 

JOEL CAESAR wrote:

Both my GF's "Province" and "Region" are identified as (as translated)
"Lomzhinskoy." Anyone out there have some suggestions for the location
of this area? [...]
Is Lomzhinskoy another spelling for Lomza Gubernia, home of my maternal
GM's (BURSZTYN)family?
It's not another spelling, but in a sense another way of putting it.
"Lomzhinskaya" is the nominative case of the adjective formed >from
"Lomzha", and in this case refers to Lomzha Gubernya. "Lomzhinskoy" is
the form used in several declension cases of this adjective (here
probably the locative).

-Margaret Mikulska
silvagen@silvarerum.com
silvagen@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is/was Lomzhinskoy? #general

Margaret Mikulska <silvagen@...>
 

JOEL CAESAR wrote:

Both my GF's "Province" and "Region" are identified as (as translated)
"Lomzhinskoy." Anyone out there have some suggestions for the location
of this area? [...]
Is Lomzhinskoy another spelling for Lomza Gubernia, home of my maternal
GM's (BURSZTYN)family?
It's not another spelling, but in a sense another way of putting it.
"Lomzhinskaya" is the nominative case of the adjective formed >from
"Lomzha", and in this case refers to Lomzha Gubernya. "Lomzhinskoy" is
the form used in several declension cases of this adjective (here
probably the locative).

-Margaret Mikulska
silvagen@silvarerum.com
silvagen@gmail.com


Re: Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

All we know is that her name is Rachel
and she lives in Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha. This Rachel would be related to
us through the KREINES family. Does anybody want to help me find this woman?
I know I haven't given you much to go on but I would appreciate anyone's
help! Hopefully there aren't too many Rachels on this kibbutz!

Thank you in advance.
Rishy Savin
Miami, FL
The easiest way for you, with fewest people in the loop to delay and distort
messages, and involving the least imposition on others, would be to drop a
line by paper post to:

Secretary
Kibbutz Ma'aleh haH.amisha
Israel

And ask, giving as much information as you have. I am certain that the
Secretary will post a copy of your letter on a bulletin board in the dining
hall, and perhaps take other measures as well.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

All we know is that her name is Rachel
and she lives in Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha. This Rachel would be related to
us through the KREINES family. Does anybody want to help me find this woman?
I know I haven't given you much to go on but I would appreciate anyone's
help! Hopefully there aren't too many Rachels on this kibbutz!

Thank you in advance.
Rishy Savin
Miami, FL
The easiest way for you, with fewest people in the loop to delay and distort
messages, and involving the least imposition on others, would be to drop a
line by paper post to:

Secretary
Kibbutz Ma'aleh haH.amisha
Israel

And ask, giving as much information as you have. I am certain that the
Secretary will post a copy of your letter on a bulletin board in the dining
hall, and perhaps take other measures as well.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.