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Re: VICTOR - Breslau: More help requested #germany

mavlin@...
 

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the Breslauer Adreßbuch
1843(Breslau Address Book 1843) which is shown as being available on the
site below, to check for me, the last name of VICTOR to see who was
listed in this book in 1843.

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/source/ab_cd/

regards Murray Victor New Zealand mavlin@xtra.co.nz


German SIG #Germany Re: VICTOR - Breslau: More help requested #germany

mavlin@...
 

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the Breslauer Adreßbuch
1843(Breslau Address Book 1843) which is shown as being available on the
site below, to check for me, the last name of VICTOR to see who was
listed in this book in 1843.

http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/source/ab_cd/

regards Murray Victor New Zealand mavlin@xtra.co.nz


Report of visits to Mainz, NiederSaulheim and Jugenheim Cemetery #germany

Jane Vogel-Kohai & Ofer Kohai <vogelko@...>
 

Dear Fellow GerSiggers,
I have just come back >from my trip to Mainz and Munich, and I am
overwhelmed, to put it mildly. Two friends of my aunt, retired
schoolteachers, took us around Mainz and were so wonderful, it is difficult
to put into words. People in general were very nice, and aside >from some
large crowds in Munich, we enjoyed the exuberence of the World Cup. There
was a party atmosphere all around, people >from all over the world were
enjoying themselves, sometimes somewhat loudly, but never obnoxiously or
anything worse.
Went to Dachau and it was amazing how many people were there, most of them
people who had come to Munich for the World Cup and to have a good time, yet
they found their way to see Dachau.
As for Mainz - beautiful city, small, not like Munich, there was partying
going on but since it was not a venue for a game, it was somewhat quieter.
We saw some of the usual tourist sites, including St. Stephen's Church, with
Chagall windows, sailed down the Rhine, went to Worms.
Our hosts took us to the Jewish cemetery in Mainz, which seems to be in
beautiful condition. We found the graves of one set of great-grandparents,
as well as those of a few other relatives. Unfortunately, we did not do our
homework to determine the locations of other graves in advance, so we did
not find them of course. We also saw (>from afar) the ancient cemetery of
Mainz, going back 1000 years.
I was particularly interested in visiting the cemetery at NiederSaulheim
(about 20 km. out of Mainz), where my family is originally from. The Jewish
cemetery is in the Christian one, and consists of only 2 or 3 graves. It is
possible that graves were destroyed here, because there is a vacant area
right where one would expect the Jewish graves to be, but this might be an
assumption on my part.
The most exciting part was when our hosts took us to Jugenheim, a nearby
town with a rather large cemetery in pretty good shape. This cemetery is in
a field, it is a bit isolated, about 200 m. >from the entrance to the town.
It is unmarked, but there is a fence and a low gate which is locked with a
rather new lock. We easily climbed over and into the cemetery and found
graves going back 100 and 200 years, including quite a number of Vogels.
Also, quite a few fellows named Rafael. This would give some support to the
theory that the name Vogel came >from the local German pronunication of
Rafael, and that the common ancestor was indeed Rafael. The cemetery served
nearby communities, and we found a Leopold Vogel who was >from NiederSaulheim
(and might be my ancestor).
Some of the stones are falling apart and I wonder if anyone knows if
anything can be done to preserve what's left of them. I estimate that there
are about 80-100 stones all together, about 1/3 of them are in really bad
shape, 1/3 just bad shape and the rest are OK. A lot of the stones are of a
red stone (sandstone?) and they seem to be in the worst conditions.
I would think that it is possible that anyone with ancestors in some of
these small villages and towns near Mainz and the area, might have ancestors
buried in this cemetery. Has anyone else heard of it?
Later, I spoke with someone >from Mainz and told her about this cemetery and
she was surprised that it was in such good shape, because, according to her,
the NPD is strong there.
I would like to know how to get this cemetery in the JOWBR project. I have 2
photos of the cemetery and a few specific graves. Is there any kind of
project that would be able to photograph all the graves? (I couldn't stay
long enough, unfortunately.)
I would also like to point out that even though we were there only for about
20 minutes, I was covered in bugs, including ticks, so if anyone would go
there, be aware and cover up.

If anyone would like copies of the photos, let me know and I will send them.
Best regards,

Jane Vogel-Kohai Moshav Mesilat Tzion, Israel <vogelko@nana.co.il>


German SIG #Germany Report of visits to Mainz, NiederSaulheim and Jugenheim Cemetery #germany

Jane Vogel-Kohai & Ofer Kohai <vogelko@...>
 

Dear Fellow GerSiggers,
I have just come back >from my trip to Mainz and Munich, and I am
overwhelmed, to put it mildly. Two friends of my aunt, retired
schoolteachers, took us around Mainz and were so wonderful, it is difficult
to put into words. People in general were very nice, and aside >from some
large crowds in Munich, we enjoyed the exuberence of the World Cup. There
was a party atmosphere all around, people >from all over the world were
enjoying themselves, sometimes somewhat loudly, but never obnoxiously or
anything worse.
Went to Dachau and it was amazing how many people were there, most of them
people who had come to Munich for the World Cup and to have a good time, yet
they found their way to see Dachau.
As for Mainz - beautiful city, small, not like Munich, there was partying
going on but since it was not a venue for a game, it was somewhat quieter.
We saw some of the usual tourist sites, including St. Stephen's Church, with
Chagall windows, sailed down the Rhine, went to Worms.
Our hosts took us to the Jewish cemetery in Mainz, which seems to be in
beautiful condition. We found the graves of one set of great-grandparents,
as well as those of a few other relatives. Unfortunately, we did not do our
homework to determine the locations of other graves in advance, so we did
not find them of course. We also saw (>from afar) the ancient cemetery of
Mainz, going back 1000 years.
I was particularly interested in visiting the cemetery at NiederSaulheim
(about 20 km. out of Mainz), where my family is originally from. The Jewish
cemetery is in the Christian one, and consists of only 2 or 3 graves. It is
possible that graves were destroyed here, because there is a vacant area
right where one would expect the Jewish graves to be, but this might be an
assumption on my part.
The most exciting part was when our hosts took us to Jugenheim, a nearby
town with a rather large cemetery in pretty good shape. This cemetery is in
a field, it is a bit isolated, about 200 m. >from the entrance to the town.
It is unmarked, but there is a fence and a low gate which is locked with a
rather new lock. We easily climbed over and into the cemetery and found
graves going back 100 and 200 years, including quite a number of Vogels.
Also, quite a few fellows named Rafael. This would give some support to the
theory that the name Vogel came >from the local German pronunication of
Rafael, and that the common ancestor was indeed Rafael. The cemetery served
nearby communities, and we found a Leopold Vogel who was >from NiederSaulheim
(and might be my ancestor).
Some of the stones are falling apart and I wonder if anyone knows if
anything can be done to preserve what's left of them. I estimate that there
are about 80-100 stones all together, about 1/3 of them are in really bad
shape, 1/3 just bad shape and the rest are OK. A lot of the stones are of a
red stone (sandstone?) and they seem to be in the worst conditions.
I would think that it is possible that anyone with ancestors in some of
these small villages and towns near Mainz and the area, might have ancestors
buried in this cemetery. Has anyone else heard of it?
Later, I spoke with someone >from Mainz and told her about this cemetery and
she was surprised that it was in such good shape, because, according to her,
the NPD is strong there.
I would like to know how to get this cemetery in the JOWBR project. I have 2
photos of the cemetery and a few specific graves. Is there any kind of
project that would be able to photograph all the graves? (I couldn't stay
long enough, unfortunately.)
I would also like to point out that even though we were there only for about
20 minutes, I was covered in bugs, including ticks, so if anyone would go
there, be aware and cover up.

If anyone would like copies of the photos, let me know and I will send them.
Best regards,

Jane Vogel-Kohai Moshav Mesilat Tzion, Israel <vogelko@nana.co.il>


Re: STYRIA and the EPSTEINS--correction & amplification #germany

MBernet@...
 

I had written:
" Some of the Benvenistis fled to Saloniki after 1492 (and >from there to
the Levant), others to Italy. The Italians migrated northwards and settled in
the Styrian town Ebstein (whence the name). "
==That information came >from Kaganoff's Dictionary. Kaganoff was
occasionally fallible.

==I am told there is no town named Ebstein in Styria and a ShtetlSeeker
search confirmed this. There are, however, three Eibensteins NW of Vienna,
within about 20 miles of each other. One of these may have been the transit point
for the Benvenistis.

==Lars Menks exhaustive Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames does list the
origins of many Epsteins and Ebsteins.

*Eppstein (Hesse, Main Taurus) which admitted 10 Jewish families in the
first half of the 14th century.
*There was a Lord Gottfried of Eppstein who collected taxes among Rhenish
Jews in the late 13th century.
*Ebenstein in Butzbach 16th cent
*Ebenstein in Friedberg, in Dietzenbch, in Annweiler and in Tennenstadt, all
17th cent
*There were Ep[p]steins in Frankfurt/M whom M5enk annotates as ha-Levi.
*Epstein in Prague 1515, ha-Levi who comes with a neat footnote "according
to Neil Rosenstein" writing in a 1987 article in Avotaynu, who traces the name
to R. Aharon ben Joseph ha-Levi => Benveniste (13th cent in Barcelona,
"whose mother Clara . . . was said to be a descendant of the House of David.

There's almost a full page altogether in Menk, in tiny, tiny print. Menk is
a meticulous researcher. The book is too big and too heavy for me to hold in
my hands more than a few seconds at a time. If you're after Epsteins in
various spelling, this is the place to look. I don't know about Styria, but maybe
Dr. Rosenstein can back that up. And if you want to go back to king David . .

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Re: STYRIA and the EPSTEINS--correction & amplification #germany

MBernet@...
 

I had written:
" Some of the Benvenistis fled to Saloniki after 1492 (and >from there to
the Levant), others to Italy. The Italians migrated northwards and settled in
the Styrian town Ebstein (whence the name). "
==That information came >from Kaganoff's Dictionary. Kaganoff was
occasionally fallible.

==I am told there is no town named Ebstein in Styria and a ShtetlSeeker
search confirmed this. There are, however, three Eibensteins NW of Vienna,
within about 20 miles of each other. One of these may have been the transit point
for the Benvenistis.

==Lars Menks exhaustive Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames does list the
origins of many Epsteins and Ebsteins.

*Eppstein (Hesse, Main Taurus) which admitted 10 Jewish families in the
first half of the 14th century.
*There was a Lord Gottfried of Eppstein who collected taxes among Rhenish
Jews in the late 13th century.
*Ebenstein in Butzbach 16th cent
*Ebenstein in Friedberg, in Dietzenbch, in Annweiler and in Tennenstadt, all
17th cent
*There were Ep[p]steins in Frankfurt/M whom M5enk annotates as ha-Levi.
*Epstein in Prague 1515, ha-Levi who comes with a neat footnote "according
to Neil Rosenstein" writing in a 1987 article in Avotaynu, who traces the name
to R. Aharon ben Joseph ha-Levi => Benveniste (13th cent in Barcelona,
"whose mother Clara . . . was said to be a descendant of the House of David.

There's almost a full page altogether in Menk, in tiny, tiny print. Menk is
a meticulous researcher. The book is too big and too heavy for me to hold in
my hands more than a few seconds at a time. If you're after Epsteins in
various spelling, this is the place to look. I don't know about Styria, but maybe
Dr. Rosenstein can back that up. And if you want to go back to king David . .

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@aol.com


Trying to locate the Toeging entry from the Pinkas Hakehillot for Bavaria #germany

jonathan goldstine <jgoldsti@...>
 

I am trying to locate a copy of the pages >from the Bavarian Pinkas Hakehillot
for Toeging. Does anyone have a copy of the Bavarian Pinkas Hakehillot?

If so, please reply privately. I would really appreciate it if someone could
translate them >from Hebrew as well. Please let me know if you can help.

Jonathan Goldstine Redding, CT USA <jgoldsti@hotmail.com>


German SIG #Germany Trying to locate the Toeging entry from the Pinkas Hakehillot for Bavaria #germany

jonathan goldstine <jgoldsti@...>
 

I am trying to locate a copy of the pages >from the Bavarian Pinkas Hakehillot
for Toeging. Does anyone have a copy of the Bavarian Pinkas Hakehillot?

If so, please reply privately. I would really appreciate it if someone could
translate them >from Hebrew as well. Please let me know if you can help.

Jonathan Goldstine Redding, CT USA <jgoldsti@hotmail.com>


Seek book about Giebelstadt Jewish residents #germany

Efraim Stern
 

I want to know where can I get or by the book about the Giebelstadt jewry.

"Die Ehemaligen Juedischen Gemeinden im Lankreis Wuerzburg writen by
J.Sprock-Pfitzer In 1988.

[MODERATOR NOTE: Our website includes a list of book sellers who specialize
in books about German Jewish subjects.
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm#dealers

Efraim Stern, Kibuz Gonen Israel E-mail: e_stern@gonen.org.il


German SIG #Germany Seek book about Giebelstadt Jewish residents #germany

Efraim Stern
 

I want to know where can I get or by the book about the Giebelstadt jewry.

"Die Ehemaligen Juedischen Gemeinden im Lankreis Wuerzburg writen by
J.Sprock-Pfitzer In 1988.

[MODERATOR NOTE: Our website includes a list of book sellers who specialize
in books about German Jewish subjects.
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm#dealers

Efraim Stern, Kibuz Gonen Israel E-mail: e_stern@gonen.org.il


Re: permission to emigrate #germany

wsz@...
 

" Was permission to emigrate requried between 1807 and 1816? "

While I can't cite chapter and verse, I have seen statements that in many
locations in German speaking areas it was required to obtain permission to
leave a jurisdiction, whether emigrating or just relocating. Generally this
was a device to make sure that you had no debts, and no official penalties to
pay, so this permission was obtained >from the local police authorities.

Werner Zimmt Tuscon, Arizona wsz@Ag.arizona.edu


German SIG #Germany Re: permission to emigrate #germany

wsz@...
 

" Was permission to emigrate requried between 1807 and 1816? "

While I can't cite chapter and verse, I have seen statements that in many
locations in German speaking areas it was required to obtain permission to
leave a jurisdiction, whether emigrating or just relocating. Generally this
was a device to make sure that you had no debts, and no official penalties to
pay, so this permission was obtained >from the local police authorities.

Werner Zimmt Tuscon, Arizona wsz@Ag.arizona.edu


Re: Former Inhabitants of Bleicherode #germany

Andres J Bonet <andresbonet@...>
 

Dear Gersiggers,
in my family there were members of Bleicherode and the last name SCHLESINGER
is one of my ancestors. Due to having my personal archive in a different
place >from where I am these weeks, I cannot check exactly the details but I
will on my return.

Anyone who could go further on sharing his knowledge about the family
SCHLESINGER and the members being sent to Auschwitz is welcome to email me.

Andrés J. Bonet, Madrid and Galicia (Spain) <andresbonet@hotmail.com>

Researching: SCHLESINGER, MERTEN,MERTON, DIETRICH, DITTRICH, BISCHOFF,
GOLDAU, KRAEMER, FOX, MASUTH, GERIGK, all in towns of Ostpreussen


German SIG #Germany Re: Former Inhabitants of Bleicherode #germany

Andres J Bonet <andresbonet@...>
 

Dear Gersiggers,
in my family there were members of Bleicherode and the last name SCHLESINGER
is one of my ancestors. Due to having my personal archive in a different
place >from where I am these weeks, I cannot check exactly the details but I
will on my return.

Anyone who could go further on sharing his knowledge about the family
SCHLESINGER and the members being sent to Auschwitz is welcome to email me.

Andrés J. Bonet, Madrid and Galicia (Spain) <andresbonet@hotmail.com>

Researching: SCHLESINGER, MERTEN,MERTON, DIETRICH, DITTRICH, BISCHOFF,
GOLDAU, KRAEMER, FOX, MASUTH, GERIGK, all in towns of Ostpreussen


Re: Research in Dinslaken [Standesamt records begin on October 1, 1874] #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Brian Stern wrote: [snip]
The standesamt is a government office and their job is to sell birth
certificates and other legal documents to people and to register their life
events. Sometimes the people working there are helpful and will answer
other kinds of questions and will provide other documents at no charge.
Sometimes they are simply officious bureaucrats and won't even give you
what you ask for. All you can do is ask. Their records start about 1871.
All older records will be in other archives.
A minor amplification to Brian's excellent advice:

the Standesamt records begin on October 1, 1874.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ <trovato@verizon.net>


German SIG #Germany Re: Research in Dinslaken [Standesamt records begin on October 1, 1874] #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Brian Stern wrote: [snip]
The standesamt is a government office and their job is to sell birth
certificates and other legal documents to people and to register their life
events. Sometimes the people working there are helpful and will answer
other kinds of questions and will provide other documents at no charge.
Sometimes they are simply officious bureaucrats and won't even give you
what you ask for. All you can do is ask. Their records start about 1871.
All older records will be in other archives.
A minor amplification to Brian's excellent advice:

the Standesamt records begin on October 1, 1874.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ <trovato@verizon.net>


Breslau Address Book 1843 #general

mavlin@...
 

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the Breslauer Adreßbuch
1843(Breslau Address Book 1843) which is shown as being available on the
site below.
http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/source/ab_cd/

regards
Murray Victor
New Zealand


Los Angeles death records #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Is there any way for me to get atthe death records >from Los Angeles
>from 1992? >from the California death index I see a man named Joseph
COHN born 04/02/1904 and died 05/25/1992. I am certain he is a
relative but I can not find an obit in the Los Angeles Times. I would
love to know if he was married; did he have any children and where was
he buried?

Any one have any ideas how I can get definative information on this
individual?

Thank you.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Breslau Address Book 1843 #general

mavlin@...
 

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the Breslauer Adreßbuch
1843(Breslau Address Book 1843) which is shown as being available on the
site below.
http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/source/ab_cd/

regards
Murray Victor
New Zealand


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Los Angeles death records #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Is there any way for me to get atthe death records >from Los Angeles
>from 1992? >from the California death index I see a man named Joseph
COHN born 04/02/1904 and died 05/25/1992. I am certain he is a
relative but I can not find an obit in the Los Angeles Times. I would
love to know if he was married; did he have any children and where was
he buried?

Any one have any ideas how I can get definative information on this
individual?

Thank you.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com