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Re: answers to query about immigration to Montreal #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Paul & Irene Berman" <ikpjb@netvision.net.il> wrote

I received several very helpful answers to my query concerning the port(s)
through which new immigrants to Montreal would probably have entered North
America. Thank you to one and all.
Can I suggest that you summarise the response(s) given when thanking people
assisting you - particularly when the result is presumably a short list.
Then it will go on record as to which port was used and other Genners might
find this useful in their own researches.

I subscribe to a Microsoft support group and even where the poster works out
what is wrong with their system they are encouraged to post what their
conclusions were to assist others with the same problem.


Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: answers to query about immigration to Montreal #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Paul & Irene Berman" <ikpjb@netvision.net.il> wrote

I received several very helpful answers to my query concerning the port(s)
through which new immigrants to Montreal would probably have entered North
America. Thank you to one and all.
Can I suggest that you summarise the response(s) given when thanking people
assisting you - particularly when the result is presumably a short list.
Then it will go on record as to which port was used and other Genners might
find this useful in their own researches.

I subscribe to a Microsoft support group and even where the poster works out
what is wrong with their system they are encouraged to post what their
conclusions were to assist others with the same problem.


Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


Washington Cemetery Brooklyn Photo Request #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All-

If anyone will be visiting Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn, NY, I would be
most grateful if I could get photos of three graves, those of my great
grandparents and grandmother. I have already purchased photos directly
from the cemetery but they are Polaroids and of poor quality.
I do have the locations of all three graves.

Please contact me directly if this is something you might be able to do.

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,


Re: burial for 1884 death in Marylebone #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"cecilia" <myths@ic24.net> wrote

What is the most likely cemetery for a woman who lived and died in
1884 in Marylebone, London, and where do I go to look at its records?

(Would the same location apply if she had died in the mid 1850s or
1870s?)
The cemetery will depend on which synagogue her family belonged to?

http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/brit/london.html gives a list of London
cemeteries.

A particular synagogue would suggest a limited number of cemeteries.

Many of the cemeteries on the list were not in use in Victorian times -
therefore this will reduce the cemeteries to be searched.

If you can find out which synagogue the family belonged to this will reduce
the work again.

If you don't know this then the work will be reduced by approaching the main
synagogal bodies - the Masorti and Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations
didn't exist in 1884. The Federation would be unlikely to apply to someone
living in Marylebone (it grew out of the East End).

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Washington Cemetery Brooklyn Photo Request #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All-

If anyone will be visiting Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn, NY, I would be
most grateful if I could get photos of three graves, those of my great
grandparents and grandmother. I have already purchased photos directly
from the cemetery but they are Polaroids and of poor quality.
I do have the locations of all three graves.

Please contact me directly if this is something you might be able to do.

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: burial for 1884 death in Marylebone #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"cecilia" <myths@ic24.net> wrote

What is the most likely cemetery for a woman who lived and died in
1884 in Marylebone, London, and where do I go to look at its records?

(Would the same location apply if she had died in the mid 1850s or
1870s?)
The cemetery will depend on which synagogue her family belonged to?

http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/brit/london.html gives a list of London
cemeteries.

A particular synagogue would suggest a limited number of cemeteries.

Many of the cemeteries on the list were not in use in Victorian times -
therefore this will reduce the cemeteries to be searched.

If you can find out which synagogue the family belonged to this will reduce
the work again.

If you don't know this then the work will be reduced by approaching the main
synagogal bodies - the Masorti and Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations
didn't exist in 1884. The Federation would be unlikely to apply to someone
living in Marylebone (it grew out of the East End).

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


Re: How to Identify Time Period on Photographs #general

Hilary <hilarynospam@...>
 

Dear Carolyn,
There was a book I bought at the Public Records Office in London a
few years ago; I'll have to dig it out to get the precise information for you.

I tried to find it online, but instead came across this page, which
should help you:
http://www.cyndislist.com/photos.htm#Dating

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Marietta, Georgia

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to Identify Time Period on Photographs #general

Hilary <hilarynospam@...>
 

Dear Carolyn,
There was a book I bought at the Public Records Office in London a
few years ago; I'll have to dig it out to get the precise information for you.

I tried to find it online, but instead came across this page, which
should help you:
http://www.cyndislist.com/photos.htm#Dating

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Marietta, Georgia

Remove "nospam" >from my return address to reply.


Re: parachot/parakhod #ukraine

Nathan Sturman
 

David and Sally,
If I recall correctly, in Mel Brooks' hilarious film version of
Ilf and Petrov's novel "The Twelve Chairs", you can see a
Russian (anyway, Slavic) paddlewheel steamer utilized as a
floating Shakespeare theatre at some Crimean resort. I believe
they were offering "Hamlet and the October Revolution". It was
filmed in Yugoslavia I believe, and the steamer almost certainly
is a local product, c1967.
Nathan Sturman


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: parachot/parakhod #ukraine

Nathan Sturman
 

David and Sally,
If I recall correctly, in Mel Brooks' hilarious film version of
Ilf and Petrov's novel "The Twelve Chairs", you can see a
Russian (anyway, Slavic) paddlewheel steamer utilized as a
floating Shakespeare theatre at some Crimean resort. I believe
they were offering "Hamlet and the October Revolution". It was
filmed in Yugoslavia I believe, and the steamer almost certainly
is a local product, c1967.
Nathan Sturman


Krakow Birds-of-a-Feather Meeting #poland

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

There will be a slightly-larger-than-miniscule meeting of the Krakow
Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) (as was) on Sunday, August 13, 4pm at the
Broadway Lounge on the 8th floor of the Marriott Marquis.

I should probably mention here -- very remiss of me previously -- that
"Krakow" in this sense refers to the entire province and its many
surrounding towns, not just the city of Krakow.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA
laguna@sciti.com


JRI Poland #Poland Krakow Birds-of-a-Feather Meeting #poland

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

There will be a slightly-larger-than-miniscule meeting of the Krakow
Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) (as was) on Sunday, August 13, 4pm at the
Broadway Lounge on the 8th floor of the Marriott Marquis.

I should probably mention here -- very remiss of me previously -- that
"Krakow" in this sense refers to the entire province and its many
surrounding towns, not just the city of Krakow.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA
laguna@sciti.com


Poland: Films at the IAJGS Conference #poland

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

The IAJGS conference will be screening many excellent films about Poland.
Four of them are profiled below. Highly recommended is Menachem Daum's
"Hiding and Seeking: Faitth and Tolerance After the Holocaust," which has
been called an "inter-generational saga of survivors."

If you ever wondered why elderly family members refused to discuss their
wartime experiences...and thought the reason was simply because the memories
were too painful...this film will open your eyes to how different versions
of "the truth" can evolve over a lifetime. In this remarkable film the Daum
family journeys to Dzialoszyce, Poland to meet the Christian family who hid
their father--and grandfather--over 60 years ago. As a result of this trip,
the family is able to make peace with--and amends for--the past, and are
richer for the experience.

We are also showing films that deal with two other Polish towns....the
shtetl of Luboml ("Luboml: My Heart Remembers") and Lodz ("Chaim Rumkowski
and the Jews of Lodz") and the poignant "Image Before My Eyes," which evokes
the "full spectrum of Jewish life in Poland" before WWII.

HIDING AND SEEKING: FAITH AND TOLERANCE AFTER THE HOLOCAUST

Menachem Daum, although himself an orthodox Jew, is concerned that his two
even more conservative sons - yeshiva students living in Israel - are
becoming isolationist in their attitudes towards the gentile world. To prove
to them that there are good gentiles in the world, he takes them and his
wife on a trip to Poland to have them meet the people who risked their lives
by hiding the boys' maternal grandfather and two uncles >from the Nazis
during World War II. In fact, the boys and their mother owe their very
existence to the extraordinary compassion and heroism of this "goyim"
family. The "hiding" of the title - beyond the obvious reference to the
secretion of Jews during the holocaust - denotes what the practitioners of
all religions do when they see themselves as somehow separate >from and
superior to those around them, and, as a result, build up barriers between
their own kind and the outside world. This attitude creates divisions that,
paradoxically, end up destroying the very people they are designed to
protect. The "seeking" comes in Daum's epic quest to prove to his children
that all people have the potential for goodness if only they choose to act
upon it. Near the end of the movie, the Daums finally get to meet two of the
people who risked their lives to save the family's relatives. The encounter
is profoundly moving and compelling, and even Daum's sons seem transformed
by the experience. Directed by Menachem Daum

Sunday, August 13 5:00 PM - 6:30 PM
Monday, August 14 4:00 PM - 5:30 PM
Thursday, August 17 6:30 PM - 8:00 PM


LUBOML: MY HEART REMEMBERS

This historical video uses rare film footage, an extensive collection of
archival photos, and interviews with former residents to re-create the
fabric of daily life in the predominantly Jewish market town, or shtetl, of
Luboml in prewar Poland. The video reveals Luboml as a vibrant town where
religious tradition and community life coexisted. No quaint rural village,
Luboml was an important regional market town, complete with theater, a
cinema, electric lights, sports teams, and numerous trades and businesses,
factories and workshops. Nazi genocidal actions in Poland in 1941-42
destroyed the Jewish community in Luboml, including the execution of nearly
all its Jewish citizens, as recounted through moving interviews with
Holocaust survivors and other former residents of Luboml. Produced by
Eileen Douglas and Ron Steinman

Thursday, August 17 11:30 AM - 12:30 PM - with filmmakers Ron Steinman and
Eileen Douglas

IMAGE BEFORE MY EYES

Before World War II Poland was the largest and most important center of
Jewish creativity, scholarship, and culture in the world. Jews had lived in
Poland since the twelfth century, and in 1939 Poland's 3.5 million Jews
comprised about one-tenth of the population. Image Before My Eyes depicts
the full spectrum of Jewish life in Poland – >from remote villages and small
towns to major cities, >from the traditionally pious to the ardently secular.
It shows the great range of Jewish involvement in political and cultural
movements such as bundism, Zionism, and anarchism, and in the creation and
sustenance of educational and social institutions. Directed by Josh
Waletzky

Monday, August 14 8:00 AM - 9:30 AM

CHAIM RUMKOWSKI AND THE JEWS OF LODZ

The Nazi extermination of Polish Jewry is well documented, but less well
known is how Jews themselves perceived and reacted to their situation. This
documentary examines the complex moral and ethical dilemmas confronting the
Jewish community during World War II. It focuses on Chaim Rumkowski,
appointed by the Nazis as Chairman of the Lodz Jewish Council. His plan to
save the Jews by making them indispensable to the industry of the German war
effort was tragic and doomed to failure. Due to Rumkowski's accomplishments
in establishing a Department of Statistics with at least three
photographers, we witness in detail the illusory triumphs and eventual
destruction of Jewish Lodz. Directed by Peter Cohen

Tuesday, August 15 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM

All films will be screened in the Ziegfeld Room on the 4th Floor and order
forms for these films will be provided for anyone who is interested.

Menachem Daum, Eileen Douglas and Ron Steinman will also be participating in
the "Visual Storytelling" panel on Wednesday, August 16th at 7:30PM.

Pamela Weisberger
IAJGS Conference Film Program Co-Chair
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JRI Poland #Poland Poland: Films at the IAJGS Conference #poland

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

The IAJGS conference will be screening many excellent films about Poland.
Four of them are profiled below. Highly recommended is Menachem Daum's
"Hiding and Seeking: Faitth and Tolerance After the Holocaust," which has
been called an "inter-generational saga of survivors."

If you ever wondered why elderly family members refused to discuss their
wartime experiences...and thought the reason was simply because the memories
were too painful...this film will open your eyes to how different versions
of "the truth" can evolve over a lifetime. In this remarkable film the Daum
family journeys to Dzialoszyce, Poland to meet the Christian family who hid
their father--and grandfather--over 60 years ago. As a result of this trip,
the family is able to make peace with--and amends for--the past, and are
richer for the experience.

We are also showing films that deal with two other Polish towns....the
shtetl of Luboml ("Luboml: My Heart Remembers") and Lodz ("Chaim Rumkowski
and the Jews of Lodz") and the poignant "Image Before My Eyes," which evokes
the "full spectrum of Jewish life in Poland" before WWII.

HIDING AND SEEKING: FAITH AND TOLERANCE AFTER THE HOLOCAUST

Menachem Daum, although himself an orthodox Jew, is concerned that his two
even more conservative sons - yeshiva students living in Israel - are
becoming isolationist in their attitudes towards the gentile world. To prove
to them that there are good gentiles in the world, he takes them and his
wife on a trip to Poland to have them meet the people who risked their lives
by hiding the boys' maternal grandfather and two uncles >from the Nazis
during World War II. In fact, the boys and their mother owe their very
existence to the extraordinary compassion and heroism of this "goyim"
family. The "hiding" of the title - beyond the obvious reference to the
secretion of Jews during the holocaust - denotes what the practitioners of
all religions do when they see themselves as somehow separate >from and
superior to those around them, and, as a result, build up barriers between
their own kind and the outside world. This attitude creates divisions that,
paradoxically, end up destroying the very people they are designed to
protect. The "seeking" comes in Daum's epic quest to prove to his children
that all people have the potential for goodness if only they choose to act
upon it. Near the end of the movie, the Daums finally get to meet two of the
people who risked their lives to save the family's relatives. The encounter
is profoundly moving and compelling, and even Daum's sons seem transformed
by the experience. Directed by Menachem Daum

Sunday, August 13 5:00 PM - 6:30 PM
Monday, August 14 4:00 PM - 5:30 PM
Thursday, August 17 6:30 PM - 8:00 PM


LUBOML: MY HEART REMEMBERS

This historical video uses rare film footage, an extensive collection of
archival photos, and interviews with former residents to re-create the
fabric of daily life in the predominantly Jewish market town, or shtetl, of
Luboml in prewar Poland. The video reveals Luboml as a vibrant town where
religious tradition and community life coexisted. No quaint rural village,
Luboml was an important regional market town, complete with theater, a
cinema, electric lights, sports teams, and numerous trades and businesses,
factories and workshops. Nazi genocidal actions in Poland in 1941-42
destroyed the Jewish community in Luboml, including the execution of nearly
all its Jewish citizens, as recounted through moving interviews with
Holocaust survivors and other former residents of Luboml. Produced by
Eileen Douglas and Ron Steinman

Thursday, August 17 11:30 AM - 12:30 PM - with filmmakers Ron Steinman and
Eileen Douglas

IMAGE BEFORE MY EYES

Before World War II Poland was the largest and most important center of
Jewish creativity, scholarship, and culture in the world. Jews had lived in
Poland since the twelfth century, and in 1939 Poland's 3.5 million Jews
comprised about one-tenth of the population. Image Before My Eyes depicts
the full spectrum of Jewish life in Poland – >from remote villages and small
towns to major cities, >from the traditionally pious to the ardently secular.
It shows the great range of Jewish involvement in political and cultural
movements such as bundism, Zionism, and anarchism, and in the creation and
sustenance of educational and social institutions. Directed by Josh
Waletzky

Monday, August 14 8:00 AM - 9:30 AM

CHAIM RUMKOWSKI AND THE JEWS OF LODZ

The Nazi extermination of Polish Jewry is well documented, but less well
known is how Jews themselves perceived and reacted to their situation. This
documentary examines the complex moral and ethical dilemmas confronting the
Jewish community during World War II. It focuses on Chaim Rumkowski,
appointed by the Nazis as Chairman of the Lodz Jewish Council. His plan to
save the Jews by making them indispensable to the industry of the German war
effort was tragic and doomed to failure. Due to Rumkowski's accomplishments
in establishing a Department of Statistics with at least three
photographers, we witness in detail the illusory triumphs and eventual
destruction of Jewish Lodz. Directed by Peter Cohen

Tuesday, August 15 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM

All films will be screened in the Ziegfeld Room on the 4th Floor and order
forms for these films will be provided for anyone who is interested.

Menachem Daum, Eileen Douglas and Ron Steinman will also be participating in
the "Visual Storytelling" panel on Wednesday, August 16th at 7:30PM.

Pamela Weisberger
IAJGS Conference Film Program Co-Chair
pweisberger@hotmail.com


moshe wolf #poland

Deborah Wiener
 

Dear All
I have previously been in etouch with Moshe Wolf >from Israel but his
email address is no longer valid. Does anyone have his contact details?

I think we are related
thanks
Debbie Wiener
dwiener@tpg.com.au

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland moshe wolf #poland

Deborah Wiener
 

Dear All
I have previously been in etouch with Moshe Wolf >from Israel but his
email address is no longer valid. Does anyone have his contact details?

I think we are related
thanks
Debbie Wiener
dwiener@tpg.com.au

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Finding my BREITENFELD family after 60 years #austria-czech

Joseph Breitenfeld <joesax@...>
 

Dear Readers;

My name is Joseph Breitenfeld >from Australia and I would like
officially to thank Celia Male for the wonderful work and help she
has given to many of us on the Jewishgen site and on the
Austria-Czech SIG.

If it were not for Celia I would never have found my long-lost family
from Vienna. The result of this finding, is that in seven days I will
meet my brother and sister for the first time ever in Frankfurt.

Celia, you're an Angel.

Joe Breitenfeld

MODERATOR NOTE: If you've been pleased with the assistance rendered by
members of the SIG, you may wish to make a contribution to the work
of JewishGen. Please go to Jewish Gen-erosity at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Finding my BREITENFELD family after 60 years #austria-czech

Joseph Breitenfeld <joesax@...>
 

Dear Readers;

My name is Joseph Breitenfeld >from Australia and I would like
officially to thank Celia Male for the wonderful work and help she
has given to many of us on the Jewishgen site and on the
Austria-Czech SIG.

If it were not for Celia I would never have found my long-lost family
from Vienna. The result of this finding, is that in seven days I will
meet my brother and sister for the first time ever in Frankfurt.

Celia, you're an Angel.

Joe Breitenfeld

MODERATOR NOTE: If you've been pleased with the assistance rendered by
members of the SIG, you may wish to make a contribution to the work
of JewishGen. Please go to Jewish Gen-erosity at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


Re: Jews in the Austrian Court #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Last week I summarised the postings which we had received about Jews
working in/for the Austrian Court and commented that the most
feasible was the jeweller being commissioned to make items for the
Royal family. Medical personalities were not mentioned, but it is
well-known that Jewish doctors always had a prominent place in many
royal entourages and the army.

The jewellery discussion arose as a result of Chana Saadia's posting
from Israel, which said: <My late stepbrother was born in Vienna &
visited there about 15 yrs ago looking for family history. His mother
had told him that her father was a goldsmith to the court, & he found
a record-book which mentioned his grandfather's name. He sent me a
copy of a photo he took of the page, but it's in handwritten German &
very unclear - I don't know where it was located or what book it was
[it has a column for the name & a column for what was received].>

I have seen this page [but I can see no dates] and it has three names
in it: SCHMERBER [Prag]; SINGER [Wien]; TRAUTTMANSDORF

There is a column with comments ie was a letter received about
receipt of jewellery. The key to this page I believe is
TRAUTTMANSDORF - this was an ancient titled family in Austria see:
http://www.carantha.net/our_castles_part_i.htm

In the 1600s: Gen. Adam von Trautmannsdorf, was the commander of the
Habsburg troops, see: http://www.chocen-mesto.cz/e_pamatky.asp

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauttmansdorff

Furthermore, if you can read German you will see that David FANTO
[Holics 1852 - Vienna 1922] an oil magnate, was the owner of the
Palais Fanto, Vienna [now the Schoenberg Center] and once owned
Schloss Pottenbrunn but sold it in 1926 to the Trautmannsdorf family.
Josef and Helene Trauttmansdorff, members of the resistance, were
shot there by SS soldiers in the last days of the war:
http://www.burgen-austria.com/Archiv.asp?Artikel=Pottenbrunn

So perhaps that is how the legend of Chana's family and the Austrian
Royals evolved? There may be other titled Habsburgians who ordered
jewellery on other pages, but I have not seen them.

I also received a fascinating mail >from a NY Sigger whose grandfather
[or gtgrandfather] made "walking golden ducks" for the Tsar of
Russia. Thank you, Evelyne!

Family legend may often be based on fact, but here we have some
evidence to confirm it.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes: re FANTO family
http://www.schoenberg.at/2_center/palais_fanto_e.htm

The Fanto tree goes back to the late 1700s: Jakob> Abraham> Joachim>
David. There are related FANTO graves in the ZF Vienna and links to
the FANTO family in Holics on:

http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/ipvm.pl?surname=fanto

Holics, now in Slovakia is very close to Goding/Hodonin in Moravia.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Jews in the Austrian Court #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Last week I summarised the postings which we had received about Jews
working in/for the Austrian Court and commented that the most
feasible was the jeweller being commissioned to make items for the
Royal family. Medical personalities were not mentioned, but it is
well-known that Jewish doctors always had a prominent place in many
royal entourages and the army.

The jewellery discussion arose as a result of Chana Saadia's posting
from Israel, which said: <My late stepbrother was born in Vienna &
visited there about 15 yrs ago looking for family history. His mother
had told him that her father was a goldsmith to the court, & he found
a record-book which mentioned his grandfather's name. He sent me a
copy of a photo he took of the page, but it's in handwritten German &
very unclear - I don't know where it was located or what book it was
[it has a column for the name & a column for what was received].>

I have seen this page [but I can see no dates] and it has three names
in it: SCHMERBER [Prag]; SINGER [Wien]; TRAUTTMANSDORF

There is a column with comments ie was a letter received about
receipt of jewellery. The key to this page I believe is
TRAUTTMANSDORF - this was an ancient titled family in Austria see:
http://www.carantha.net/our_castles_part_i.htm

In the 1600s: Gen. Adam von Trautmannsdorf, was the commander of the
Habsburg troops, see: http://www.chocen-mesto.cz/e_pamatky.asp

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauttmansdorff

Furthermore, if you can read German you will see that David FANTO
[Holics 1852 - Vienna 1922] an oil magnate, was the owner of the
Palais Fanto, Vienna [now the Schoenberg Center] and once owned
Schloss Pottenbrunn but sold it in 1926 to the Trautmannsdorf family.
Josef and Helene Trauttmansdorff, members of the resistance, were
shot there by SS soldiers in the last days of the war:
http://www.burgen-austria.com/Archiv.asp?Artikel=Pottenbrunn

So perhaps that is how the legend of Chana's family and the Austrian
Royals evolved? There may be other titled Habsburgians who ordered
jewellery on other pages, but I have not seen them.

I also received a fascinating mail >from a NY Sigger whose grandfather
[or gtgrandfather] made "walking golden ducks" for the Tsar of
Russia. Thank you, Evelyne!

Family legend may often be based on fact, but here we have some
evidence to confirm it.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes: re FANTO family
http://www.schoenberg.at/2_center/palais_fanto_e.htm

The Fanto tree goes back to the late 1700s: Jakob> Abraham> Joachim>
David. There are related FANTO graves in the ZF Vienna and links to
the FANTO family in Holics on:

http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/ipvm.pl?surname=fanto

Holics, now in Slovakia is very close to Goding/Hodonin in Moravia.