Has anyone heard of a name that sounds like MEITOWER? According to a friend,
the 1920 US Federal Census has a woman by this name, spelled that
way, listed as being >from Germany.

Many thanks! Martha Lev-Zion Omer, Israel <martha@bgu.ac.il>

Has anyone heard of a name that sounds like MEITOWER? According to a friend,
the 1920 US Federal Census has a woman by this name, spelled that
way, listed as being >from Germany.

Many thanks! Martha Lev-Zion Omer, Israel <martha@bgu.ac.il>

Dear Group
My husband's ggfather - Mor Moses Weinberger, was born in Nagymagyar -
Velki Magendorf in 1850 and died in Pancevo-Banat in 1905 .
I know that his father was Markus Weinberger and his mother was Juliana
Julis Schonfeld. I would like to know if he had any siblings. What kind of
documents should I look for and where will I find them?
Lea Haber Gedalia,Jerusalem

Dear Group
My husband's ggfather - Mor Moses Weinberger, was born in Nagymagyar -
Velki Magendorf in 1850 and died in Pancevo-Banat in 1905 .
I know that his father was Markus Weinberger and his mother was Juliana
Julis Schonfeld. I would like to know if he had any siblings. What kind of
documents should I look for and where will I find them?
Lea Haber Gedalia,Jerusalem

For five years, One Thousand Children, Inc., a nonprofit research and
education organization, has been looking for the only unaccompanied children
rescued >from the Holocaust by American organizations and individuals from
1934 to 1945. To date we have located over 500 and are still searching. Now
online for the first time is a distillation of the scholarly work that
initiated this search. To access this paper, go to
http://www.onethousandchildren.org and click on
"Click here for the story of who saved the children and how they did it"

Iris Posner
President
One Thousand Children

For five years, One Thousand Children, Inc., a nonprofit research and
education organization, has been looking for the only unaccompanied children
rescued >from the Holocaust by American organizations and individuals from
1934 to 1945. To date we have located over 500 and are still searching. Now
online for the first time is a distillation of the scholarly work that
initiated this search. To access this paper, go to
http://www.onethousandchildren.org and click on
"Click here for the story of who saved the children and how they did it"

Iris Posner
President
One Thousand Children

Dear JewishGendom,
I am trying to help a friend who was born in Europe shortly after
the Holocaust ended to find a cousin of hers, Aharon Shteinman or Aharon
Shtayman, whom she was told might have survived. Aharon Shteinman/Shtayman may
have been >from Vileika, near Vilnius.
I look forward to your replies, suggestions, and leads.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

Dear JewishGendom,
I am trying to help a friend who was born in Europe shortly after
the Holocaust ended to find a cousin of hers, Aharon Shteinman or Aharon
Shtayman, whom she was told might have survived. Aharon Shteinman/Shtayman may
have been >from Vileika, near Vilnius.
I look forward to your replies, suggestions, and leads.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

On 2006.07.19, Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@bellsouth.net> wrote:

My father, who passed away in 1988, had no male children or living
close paternal male relatives. Any living males are related through
his mother or step-mother.

Is there any way that his lineage can be traced or is this a
permanent brick wall?

So long as you can somehow tap into the same direct paternal line
(your father's father's father, say, is the same as a hypothetical
relatives father's father's father's father), you should be able to
get the sort of matches you are looking for. Though,it may take more
genealogical "paper" (i.e., records >from overseas, etc). Of course,
the farther off you get, the more questionable it will be that the
person is indeed a relative, but perhaps you can find two males from
two different branches and see if **they** match with eachother (a
check for internal consistency of your paper results).

So, determine if your father had male siblings or whether his father
did or whether his paternal grandfather did, etc. If you don't
know, try to tap into the usual resources, depending on where they
lived (i.e., US Census, if they lived in America, JRI-Poland vital
records if they lived in Poland, etc.)

For example, I have 3 brothers. They share the same direct paternal
line as me, as do their male children. My father has no male
siblings. However, **his grandfather did**. Only one of my paternal
grandfather's brothers had a male child. He is still living, as is
his one son, etc. My great grandfather had **no** male siblings, but
**my gg grandfather did**.

Unfortunately, I did meet up with a similar problem---I found 5th
cousins in America. the only living members of one branch of my
paternal family --they escaped europe prior to the Holocaust-- but
the lving members are all women, so, no way to confirm their
relationship other than trusting records...though I wish I could
have a confirming test.

Steve Bloom

On 2006.07.19, Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@bellsouth.net> wrote:

My father, who passed away in 1988, had no male children or living
close paternal male relatives. Any living males are related through
his mother or step-mother.

Is there any way that his lineage can be traced or is this a
permanent brick wall?

So long as you can somehow tap into the same direct paternal line
(your father's father's father, say, is the same as a hypothetical
relatives father's father's father's father), you should be able to
get the sort of matches you are looking for. Though,it may take more
genealogical "paper" (i.e., records >from overseas, etc). Of course,
the farther off you get, the more questionable it will be that the
person is indeed a relative, but perhaps you can find two males from
two different branches and see if **they** match with eachother (a
check for internal consistency of your paper results).

So, determine if your father had male siblings or whether his father
did or whether his paternal grandfather did, etc. If you don't
know, try to tap into the usual resources, depending on where they
lived (i.e., US Census, if they lived in America, JRI-Poland vital
records if they lived in Poland, etc.)

For example, I have 3 brothers. They share the same direct paternal
line as me, as do their male children. My father has no male
siblings. However, **his grandfather did**. Only one of my paternal
grandfather's brothers had a male child. He is still living, as is
his one son, etc. My great grandfather had **no** male siblings, but
**my gg grandfather did**.

Unfortunately, I did meet up with a similar problem---I found 5th
cousins in America. the only living members of one branch of my
paternal family --they escaped europe prior to the Holocaust-- but
the lving members are all women, so, no way to confirm their
relationship other than trusting records...though I wish I could
have a confirming test.

Steve Bloom

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 Judith Romney Wegner wrote:

Presumably "parouk" is a phonetic rendering of
the French word "perruque" -- meaning wig. I have never heard anyone
refer to a sheitel as a perruque, and am wondering why your family
did not simply call it a "sheitel." Were they French Jews who
perhaps no longer spoke Yiddish?

No, because the word is used in Russian for "wig". A Russian barber is a
"Parikmacher", believe it or not. A number of French words have migrated
into Russian (whether all are in current use is another question).
"Portmone" for wallet is another. French was still, at that long ago time, a
prestigious language. There are also not a few nautical words >from Dutch,

from the time when Peter the Great learned shipbuilding and sailing in

Holland.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 Judith Romney Wegner wrote:

Presumably "parouk" is a phonetic rendering of
the French word "perruque" -- meaning wig. I have never heard anyone
refer to a sheitel as a perruque, and am wondering why your family
did not simply call it a "sheitel." Were they French Jews who
perhaps no longer spoke Yiddish?

No, because the word is used in Russian for "wig". A Russian barber is a
"Parikmacher", believe it or not. A number of French words have migrated
into Russian (whether all are in current use is another question).
"Portmone" for wallet is another. French was still, at that long ago time, a
prestigious language. There are also not a few nautical words >from Dutch,

from the time when Peter the Great learned shipbuilding and sailing in

Holland.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.

On 2006.07.19, Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@earthlink.net> wrote:

My question is: why is that individuals who belong in the "J'
haplogroup can identify themselves as Jews (and seem to have even
isolated a "cohen gene") whereas I am unable to do so!

DNA testing can hopefully reveal whether it is likely that you have
Jewish ancestry. However, individuals who belong to any haplogroup
cannot simply on that basis be certain of having Jewish ancestry,
much less identify themselves as Jews.

Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA

On 2006.07.19, Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@earthlink.net> wrote:

My question is: why is that individuals who belong in the "J'
haplogroup can identify themselves as Jews (and seem to have even
isolated a "cohen gene") whereas I am unable to do so!

DNA testing can hopefully reveal whether it is likely that you have
Jewish ancestry. However, individuals who belong to any haplogroup
cannot simply on that basis be certain of having Jewish ancestry,
much less identify themselves as Jews.

Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA

"Elsebeth Paikin" wrote

As for Clechchovia my guess is that it might be Kleczewo, Kalish, Belarus
which is where Loeb (no surname - but perhaps CARO!?) lived at one time.
(information >from the above mentioned book).

Kleczew near Konin and Slupca is far away >from Belarus, but close to Kalisz
(Prussian: Kalisch) in Poznan (Posen) territory. Kleczew was a mighty Jewish
town. In 1861 Jewish population was 1169 souls strong (out of total 2,193
population). I have been also considered Kleczowa for "Clechchova", but
Kleczowa was within the Russian Empire territory, where the previous
exchange of correspondence is clearly identifies Posen, Prussia

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab

"Elsebeth Paikin" wrote

As for Clechchovia my guess is that it might be Kleczewo, Kalish, Belarus
which is where Loeb (no surname - but perhaps CARO!?) lived at one time.
(information >from the above mentioned book).

Kleczew near Konin and Slupca is far away >from Belarus, but close to Kalisz
(Prussian: Kalisch) in Poznan (Posen) territory. Kleczew was a mighty Jewish
town. In 1861 Jewish population was 1169 souls strong (out of total 2,193
population). I have been also considered Kleczowa for "Clechchova", but
Kleczowa was within the Russian Empire territory, where the previous
exchange of correspondence is clearly identifies Posen, Prussia

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab

Dear Genners,

I have just been informed that the family I have been looking for came >from
Slobodka. I would appreciate any advise or direction in learning about
Slobodka and what records are available. I am attending the conference in NYC
and am wondering if there will be any classes specifically covering this area.

Thanks so much for any help....it is greatly appreciated.

Deb Delgato
Searching: SAFFER/SHAFER, LEIZEROWITZ, COHEN, GOLD

Dear Genners,

I have just been informed that the family I have been looking for came >from
Slobodka. I would appreciate any advise or direction in learning about
Slobodka and what records are available. I am attending the conference in NYC
and am wondering if there will be any classes specifically covering this area.

Thanks so much for any help....it is greatly appreciated.

Deb Delgato
Searching: SAFFER/SHAFER, LEIZEROWITZ, COHEN, GOLD

Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@brown.edu> wrote:

Cyndee Meystel wrote:

Very true. My husband's great-grandmother always covered her hair (with a
"parouk" -- a forerunner of today's sheitel)

Dear Cyndee,

That's interesting. Presumably "parouk" is a phonetic rendering of
the French word "perruque" -- meaning wig. I have never heard anyone
refer to a sheitel as a perruque, and am wondering why your family
did not simply call it a "sheitel." Were they French Jews who
perhaps no longer spoke Yiddish?

Harduf's Yiddish-English Dictionary has two entries for wig:
parouk (peh-aleph_patach-resh-vav-kuf) and sheitel
(shin-yud-yud-tav-lamed). So it is a Yiddish word (apparently
derived >from French).


Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca

Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@brown.edu> wrote:

Cyndee Meystel wrote:

Very true. My husband's great-grandmother always covered her hair (with a
"parouk" -- a forerunner of today's sheitel)

Dear Cyndee,

That's interesting. Presumably "parouk" is a phonetic rendering of
the French word "perruque" -- meaning wig. I have never heard anyone
refer to a sheitel as a perruque, and am wondering why your family
did not simply call it a "sheitel." Were they French Jews who
perhaps no longer spoke Yiddish?

Harduf's Yiddish-English Dictionary has two entries for wig:
parouk (peh-aleph_patach-resh-vav-kuf) and sheitel
(shin-yud-yud-tav-lamed). So it is a Yiddish word (apparently
derived >from French).


Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca