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Re: Sephardi naming #unitedkingdom

henry
 

Malcolm,

Not only was it COMMON practice amongst Sephardis to name children after
their living grandparents, it was the USUAL practice.
The first child of each sex was named after the paternal grandparent, the
second, of the same sex, after the maternal grandparent.
Names, therefore, are repeated every second generation.
It was also usual to name further children (the third or subsequent child of
each sex) after their living uncles or aunts.

There are exceptions to this rule, myself included.
If this rule had been followed, I'd be Joseph and not Henry!

This can give a clue to the names of unknown grandparents.
Eg. If the firstborn son was called David, then it is probable that his
paternal grandfather was also called David.

Names can also disappear >from families.
In my family there were two Michaels (one the grandson of the other) who
both died young.
It's now considered to be an 'unlucky' name in my family and never used.

The reason the parish records entries stopped in 1837 was that compulsory
civil registration of births was introduced that year.
Every (live) birth was required to be registered so that Parish Record
entries were no longer needed.

Henry


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Sephardi naming #unitedkingdom

henry
 

Malcolm,

Not only was it COMMON practice amongst Sephardis to name children after
their living grandparents, it was the USUAL practice.
The first child of each sex was named after the paternal grandparent, the
second, of the same sex, after the maternal grandparent.
Names, therefore, are repeated every second generation.
It was also usual to name further children (the third or subsequent child of
each sex) after their living uncles or aunts.

There are exceptions to this rule, myself included.
If this rule had been followed, I'd be Joseph and not Henry!

This can give a clue to the names of unknown grandparents.
Eg. If the firstborn son was called David, then it is probable that his
paternal grandfather was also called David.

Names can also disappear >from families.
In my family there were two Michaels (one the grandson of the other) who
both died young.
It's now considered to be an 'unlucky' name in my family and never used.

The reason the parish records entries stopped in 1837 was that compulsory
civil registration of births was introduced that year.
Every (live) birth was required to be registered so that Parish Record
entries were no longer needed.

Henry


PSHADEMSKI / PASHDEMASKI #general

Dr. Trevor Waner
 

Does anyone have any information about the PSHADEMSKI / PASHDEMASKI family
from Lithuania. Members changed their name to SHADMI after they immigrated
to Israel.
Looking forward to hearing .

Trevor Waner
Rehovot, Israel
(Formally Springs, South Africa)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PSHADEMSKI / PASHDEMASKI #general

Dr. Trevor Waner
 

Does anyone have any information about the PSHADEMSKI / PASHDEMASKI family
from Lithuania. Members changed their name to SHADMI after they immigrated
to Israel.
Looking forward to hearing .

Trevor Waner
Rehovot, Israel
(Formally Springs, South Africa)


grave of GREENBERG Al american ww2 dead soldier #general

Sara Reichman <sara@...>
 

Shalom
For a long time I am trying to find the grave of my fathers brother,
GREENBERG Al (Abraham). He was born in Rypin Poland Between1914 and
1919. Came to USA, was a watchmaker, lived in NY ( Brooklyn?) and was
killed in the army while being an American soldier.
Have any one any idea how to find his grave?

Thank you

Sara Reichman (Greenberg)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen grave of GREENBERG Al american ww2 dead soldier #general

Sara Reichman <sara@...>
 

Shalom
For a long time I am trying to find the grave of my fathers brother,
GREENBERG Al (Abraham). He was born in Rypin Poland Between1914 and
1919. Came to USA, was a watchmaker, lived in NY ( Brooklyn?) and was
killed in the army while being an American soldier.
Have any one any idea how to find his grave?

Thank you

Sara Reichman (Greenberg)


Barnett BRAVERMAN: Chicago, Detroit, LA, New York, Minnesota, 1888-1965 #general

Carol Gurstelle
 

I have been helping an acquaintance with some research on a writer and
artist named Barnett BRAVERMAN. Braverman is credited with smuggling 40
copies of James Joyce’s Ulysses into the US in 1922. Although this
quest is not exactly geneaological, I thought that a query on JewishGen
might prove fruitful. This is what is known: BRAVERMAN, (and sometimes
the first name is spelled with just one T), was born in 1888 and trained
as an artist Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland, according to a
biographical sketch published in 1918 in "Paladin," a left-wing journal.
At that time, he was working as an Art Editor for a Chicago-based
magazine. As early as 1911, he was corresponding with Jo Labadie, a
well0know American socialist and later an anarchist; those letters are
part of the collection of her papers.

During his time in Chicago, it is likely that Braverman became
acquainted with Ernest Hemingway. It was Hemingway who put Sylvia
Beach, the publisher of Ulysses, in contact with Braverman, who had
moved to Detroit.

During the 1930s, Braverman moved to California and wrote articles about
the movie industry. He later moved to New York and was employed as a
WPA artist. Between 1940 and 1945, he was back in California, gathering
information for an authorized biography of D.W. Griffith. Sometime
after WWII, he moved to Minnesota. He is listed in the St. Paul City
Directory >from 1949 until his death in September 1965. The directories
from that time period sometimes list him as "B. George BRAVERMAN, or
B.G. BRAVERMAN." Neither the directory listings nor the death
certificate have any indication of relatives and he lies in an unmarked
grave in a non-Jewish cemetery used by the county for indigents.

Is he perhaps a missing part of your family tree?

Carol Gurstelle
Roseville, MN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Barnett BRAVERMAN: Chicago, Detroit, LA, New York, Minnesota, 1888-1965 #general

Carol Gurstelle
 

I have been helping an acquaintance with some research on a writer and
artist named Barnett BRAVERMAN. Braverman is credited with smuggling 40
copies of James Joyce’s Ulysses into the US in 1922. Although this
quest is not exactly geneaological, I thought that a query on JewishGen
might prove fruitful. This is what is known: BRAVERMAN, (and sometimes
the first name is spelled with just one T), was born in 1888 and trained
as an artist Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland, according to a
biographical sketch published in 1918 in "Paladin," a left-wing journal.
At that time, he was working as an Art Editor for a Chicago-based
magazine. As early as 1911, he was corresponding with Jo Labadie, a
well0know American socialist and later an anarchist; those letters are
part of the collection of her papers.

During his time in Chicago, it is likely that Braverman became
acquainted with Ernest Hemingway. It was Hemingway who put Sylvia
Beach, the publisher of Ulysses, in contact with Braverman, who had
moved to Detroit.

During the 1930s, Braverman moved to California and wrote articles about
the movie industry. He later moved to New York and was employed as a
WPA artist. Between 1940 and 1945, he was back in California, gathering
information for an authorized biography of D.W. Griffith. Sometime
after WWII, he moved to Minnesota. He is listed in the St. Paul City
Directory >from 1949 until his death in September 1965. The directories
from that time period sometimes list him as "B. George BRAVERMAN, or
B.G. BRAVERMAN." Neither the directory listings nor the death
certificate have any indication of relatives and he lies in an unmarked
grave in a non-Jewish cemetery used by the county for indigents.

Is he perhaps a missing part of your family tree?

Carol Gurstelle
Roseville, MN


Re: European emigration site - problematic results #general

Susan&David
 

I searched for the ship Oldham via the Steve Morse 0ne-step web site for
various East Coast ports.
The Oldham arrived in Philadelphia on 5 November 1895.
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/boatx.html?mode=phil

Spaarndam came in to Castle Garden in 1890 and in 1891.
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/boat2.html
David Rosen
Boston, MA


IsraelP wrote:

I am having a two-fold problem with a certain municipal European emigration
site, which offers service for pay and therefore cannot be mentioned here by
name.

In one case, they sent me information on one Max Pickholz who sailed to NY on
a ship called Spaarndam, giving me a passenger number etc, but they say they
have no information on when this sailing took place. Not even a year. Is
there a way around this problem? I do not see this man in Ellis Island. Even
a year - if it is >from 1892 - would make a line-by-line search doable. (Steve
Morse doesn't have a search by passenger number.) What makes this even more
curious is that according to Steve Morse's site, the Spaarndam sailed only
from Rotterdam, which is not the port reported by the folks who sold me the
information.

In the second case, they told me that Moses Pikholz sailed to NY on a ship
called Oldham on 31 March 1891, but according to all my inquiries, the Oldham
did not exist until 1897. Does anyone have any way to solve this apparently
erroneous report?

In both cases, I asked the folks at the site to recheck their information, but
all that got me was an invitation to do an expensive personal search.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: European emigration site - problematic results #general

Susan&David
 

I searched for the ship Oldham via the Steve Morse 0ne-step web site for
various East Coast ports.
The Oldham arrived in Philadelphia on 5 November 1895.
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/boatx.html?mode=phil

Spaarndam came in to Castle Garden in 1890 and in 1891.
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/boat2.html
David Rosen
Boston, MA


IsraelP wrote:

I am having a two-fold problem with a certain municipal European emigration
site, which offers service for pay and therefore cannot be mentioned here by
name.

In one case, they sent me information on one Max Pickholz who sailed to NY on
a ship called Spaarndam, giving me a passenger number etc, but they say they
have no information on when this sailing took place. Not even a year. Is
there a way around this problem? I do not see this man in Ellis Island. Even
a year - if it is >from 1892 - would make a line-by-line search doable. (Steve
Morse doesn't have a search by passenger number.) What makes this even more
curious is that according to Steve Morse's site, the Spaarndam sailed only
from Rotterdam, which is not the port reported by the folks who sold me the
information.

In the second case, they told me that Moses Pikholz sailed to NY on a ship
called Oldham on 31 March 1891, but according to all my inquiries, the Oldham
did not exist until 1897. Does anyone have any way to solve this apparently
erroneous report?

In both cases, I asked the folks at the site to recheck their information, but
all that got me was an invitation to do an expensive personal search.

Israel Pickholtz


Belz, Galicia #general

seforimlover
 

Does anyone know how much information is available
about Belz in Galicia. Specifically, births, deaths
and marriages, or other similar government indexes.

Belz was the original seat of the Belz Chassidic
dynasty.

Thank you very much,

Yehuda Herskowitz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Belz, Galicia #general

seforimlover
 

Does anyone know how much information is available
about Belz in Galicia. Specifically, births, deaths
and marriages, or other similar government indexes.

Belz was the original seat of the Belz Chassidic
dynasty.

Thank you very much,

Yehuda Herskowitz


SEPHARDI NAMING #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Hello Everyone
Just a note for fellow Geners about the difference
between Ashkanasi and sephardi child naming patterns
in relevence between the 2 groups,My tree crosses the
divide between the Dutch Sephardi and Polish/Russian
immigrants to London.
Please be aware that within the Dutch jews it was
common practice to name the children after there
parents while still alive as opposed to the Ashkanasi
immigrants coming in where it was a total no-no.
I have been helping 2 people with there trees where
they have been advised that there descendents were
gentiles because of this namiing,I would advise
caution and broader knowledge before making broad
statements that upset people like this.
It was a common practice as well as pre 1837 records
of getting married or baptised to get a parish record
as proof of who you were as a katuba saying Moshe ben
Isaac in hebrew wasnt much help with an official over
a will,I have seen 3 times a jew in the 1800's who was
married in a church and also a synagogue and are
buried in Jewish burial grounds.
There are all sorts of reasons many Dutch Jews came
from a hidden Jew background and covered both
angles,Some Jews did convert to get into the
establishment that was barred to them David Ricardo
being a case in hand,All i know is Parish records have
a large amount of Jews entered in them,After 1837 they
are a rarity.
Im sure this will cause discussion,But all i ask is
caution and education before making very broad remarks
about a very sensetive and emotional subject.
Kind regards
Malki Katz


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom SEPHARDI NAMING #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Hello Everyone
Just a note for fellow Geners about the difference
between Ashkanasi and sephardi child naming patterns
in relevence between the 2 groups,My tree crosses the
divide between the Dutch Sephardi and Polish/Russian
immigrants to London.
Please be aware that within the Dutch jews it was
common practice to name the children after there
parents while still alive as opposed to the Ashkanasi
immigrants coming in where it was a total no-no.
I have been helping 2 people with there trees where
they have been advised that there descendents were
gentiles because of this namiing,I would advise
caution and broader knowledge before making broad
statements that upset people like this.
It was a common practice as well as pre 1837 records
of getting married or baptised to get a parish record
as proof of who you were as a katuba saying Moshe ben
Isaac in hebrew wasnt much help with an official over
a will,I have seen 3 times a jew in the 1800's who was
married in a church and also a synagogue and are
buried in Jewish burial grounds.
There are all sorts of reasons many Dutch Jews came
from a hidden Jew background and covered both
angles,Some Jews did convert to get into the
establishment that was barred to them David Ricardo
being a case in hand,All i know is Parish records have
a large amount of Jews entered in them,After 1837 they
are a rarity.
Im sure this will cause discussion,But all i ask is
caution and education before making very broad remarks
about a very sensetive and emotional subject.
Kind regards
Malki Katz


May 15th deadline for early registration conference rate #unitedkingdom

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

This message is posted on behalf of the IAJGS conference. Any
questions...please send to Roni@...

The clock is ticking. Only one day left to receive the early registration
rate for the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be
held August 13-18, 2006 at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City.
Early registrations must be made (or postmarked) on or before May 15. No
time to fill in the complete on-line registration form now? No problem.
You can respond to the basic questions to save a spot and up-date your
registration when you have more time to think about your ancestral name tag,
select the special events you want to attend, etc. Go to
http://www.jgsny2006.org. On the menu bar, click Registration. Read that
introduction and then proceed to register.
Questions? Check out the Frequently Asked Questions which also have a link
on the menu bar.

All the best,

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org
registration@...
Roni@...


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom May 15th deadline for early registration conference rate #unitedkingdom

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

This message is posted on behalf of the IAJGS conference. Any
questions...please send to Roni@...

The clock is ticking. Only one day left to receive the early registration
rate for the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be
held August 13-18, 2006 at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City.
Early registrations must be made (or postmarked) on or before May 15. No
time to fill in the complete on-line registration form now? No problem.
You can respond to the basic questions to save a spot and up-date your
registration when you have more time to think about your ancestral name tag,
select the special events you want to attend, etc. Go to
http://www.jgsny2006.org. On the menu bar, click Registration. Read that
introduction and then proceed to register.
Questions? Check out the Frequently Asked Questions which also have a link
on the menu bar.

All the best,

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org
registration@...
Roni@...


May 15th deadline for early registration conference rate #hungary

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

This message is posted on behalf of the IAJGS conference. Any
questions...please send to Roni@...

The clock is ticking. Only one day left to receive the early registration
rate for the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be
held August 13-18, 2006 at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City.
Early registrations must be made (or postmarked) on or before May 15. No
time to fill in the complete on-line registration form now? No problem.
You can respond to the basic questions to save a spot and up-date your
registration when you have more time to think about your ancestral name tag,
select the special events you want to attend, etc. Go to
http://www.jgsny2006.org. On the menu bar, click Registration. Read that
introduction and then proceed to register.
Questions? Check out the Frequently Asked Questions which also have a link
on the menu bar.

All the best,

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org
registration@...
Roni@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary May 15th deadline for early registration conference rate #hungary

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

This message is posted on behalf of the IAJGS conference. Any
questions...please send to Roni@...

The clock is ticking. Only one day left to receive the early registration
rate for the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be
held August 13-18, 2006 at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City.
Early registrations must be made (or postmarked) on or before May 15. No
time to fill in the complete on-line registration form now? No problem.
You can respond to the basic questions to save a spot and up-date your
registration when you have more time to think about your ancestral name tag,
select the special events you want to attend, etc. Go to
http://www.jgsny2006.org. On the menu bar, click Registration. Read that
introduction and then proceed to register.
Questions? Check out the Frequently Asked Questions which also have a link
on the menu bar.

All the best,

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org
registration@...
Roni@...


Lustig in Tel Aviv, Israel #hungary

עמירה משיח <amira_m@...>
 

Shalom to all,

This is for the Israeli members in the Sig -
I have found pages of testimony in Yad Vashem that were written by a woman
named Miriam Lustig.
The pages were written at the year 1957, her address was XXXXX Tel Aviv".

What is the address now for XXXXX Tel Aviv" is there a
way to locate / find her - or her children ?

She gave POT for all of her brothers and sisters [and their children] who
perished in the holocaust.

I really would like to locate her or her children.

Thank you for your help,

Amira Mashiah, Israel. amira_m@...

Searching: Stein >from Liptov, Dubovitz - Trencin area, Reicher >from
Benadikova- Liptov, Wachsberger >from Vrutky, Singer - Jazernica and
Jaszbereny [Hungary] all the rest in Slovakia.
Spagatner - Jaszbereny, Szekely - Jaszbereny & Budapest, Neu - Jaszbereny
all in Hungary.

Moderator: JewishGen Guidelines do not allow publication of private addresses but you may be able to find the information you need with the help of the Israel Genealogical Society. For more information go to the IGS home
page: http://www.isragen.org.il . On the sidebar on the left, you will find
what you are looking for under "projects."


Hungary SIG #Hungary Lustig in Tel Aviv, Israel #hungary

עמירה משיח <amira_m@...>
 

Shalom to all,

This is for the Israeli members in the Sig -
I have found pages of testimony in Yad Vashem that were written by a woman
named Miriam Lustig.
The pages were written at the year 1957, her address was XXXXX Tel Aviv".

What is the address now for XXXXX Tel Aviv" is there a
way to locate / find her - or her children ?

She gave POT for all of her brothers and sisters [and their children] who
perished in the holocaust.

I really would like to locate her or her children.

Thank you for your help,

Amira Mashiah, Israel. amira_m@...

Searching: Stein >from Liptov, Dubovitz - Trencin area, Reicher >from
Benadikova- Liptov, Wachsberger >from Vrutky, Singer - Jazernica and
Jaszbereny [Hungary] all the rest in Slovakia.
Spagatner - Jaszbereny, Szekely - Jaszbereny & Budapest, Neu - Jaszbereny
all in Hungary.

Moderator: JewishGen Guidelines do not allow publication of private addresses but you may be able to find the information you need with the help of the Israel Genealogical Society. For more information go to the IGS home
page: http://www.isragen.org.il . On the sidebar on the left, you will find
what you are looking for under "projects."