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Re: Were Ellis Island kept medical records #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Related to Mark's story about his grandfather not even being allowed
onboard due to trachoma:

I recall reading that as the immigrant migration began to swell, the
shipping lines were very eager to sell a ticket to anyone and
everyone. The US government began to issue restrictions designed to
keep it in check, and to keep at a minimum those people who might be
a drain on the government. One such restriction was that if a
potential immigrant was not allowed to enter the US, the shipping
line had to return the passenger to the originating port at their own
expense (the shipping line's). This caused the shipping lines to be
a bit more diligent about who was allowed to travel, and to watch for
potential medical issues, etc.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were Ellis Island kept medical records #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Related to Mark's story about his grandfather not even being allowed
onboard due to trachoma:

I recall reading that as the immigrant migration began to swell, the
shipping lines were very eager to sell a ticket to anyone and
everyone. The US government began to issue restrictions designed to
keep it in check, and to keep at a minimum those people who might be
a drain on the government. One such restriction was that if a
potential immigrant was not allowed to enter the US, the shipping
line had to return the passenger to the originating port at their own
expense (the shipping line's). This caused the shipping lines to be
a bit more diligent about who was allowed to travel, and to watch for
potential medical issues, etc.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


New obituary - Denver #general

Israel P
 

Would someone in Denver please collect paper copies of any obituaries for
my cousin Buzy (Betty Lee) Hahn who died last week?

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New obituary - Denver #general

Israel P
 

Would someone in Denver please collect paper copies of any obituaries for
my cousin Buzy (Betty Lee) Hahn who died last week?

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz


Viewmate Translation Help #general

Marlene Bishow
 

Dear Cousins:

I have posted three postcards that were written in (Galician) Yiddish in
October and November, 1912. These cards are a part of a series >from that
decade written by relatives of the DEUTSCHER family in Rozniatow, Galicia
to the children of Chaim and Feiga DEUTSCHER in New York City.

The web address for Viewmate is
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp

These three cards are particularly notable because two of them VM7880 and VM
7881 were written in October, 1912 by (or for) my great grandfather Chaim
shortly before his death.

VM7883 was written by (or for) Feige. We think that this was written after
Chaim death (or while he was critically ill). Feige came to the U.S. in May,
1913 with her remaining children.

We are hopeful that these three cards will answer some important questions.
Better quality scans are available that could not be posted to Viewmate
because of the size restrictions.

Please reply directly to me at @Marlene

Thank you for your assistance.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Researching:
KATZ, DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM in Zhuravno & Rozniatow, Galicia.
HANTMAN, GANTMAN and SINGER in Smilovichi and Koidanovo, BEL.
SHOMER, SOMMERS, SOHMER & KULPE in Lithuania.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate Translation Help #general

Marlene Bishow
 

Dear Cousins:

I have posted three postcards that were written in (Galician) Yiddish in
October and November, 1912. These cards are a part of a series >from that
decade written by relatives of the DEUTSCHER family in Rozniatow, Galicia
to the children of Chaim and Feiga DEUTSCHER in New York City.

The web address for Viewmate is
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp

These three cards are particularly notable because two of them VM7880 and VM
7881 were written in October, 1912 by (or for) my great grandfather Chaim
shortly before his death.

VM7883 was written by (or for) Feige. We think that this was written after
Chaim death (or while he was critically ill). Feige came to the U.S. in May,
1913 with her remaining children.

We are hopeful that these three cards will answer some important questions.
Better quality scans are available that could not be posted to Viewmate
because of the size restrictions.

Please reply directly to me at @Marlene

Thank you for your assistance.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Researching:
KATZ, DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM in Zhuravno & Rozniatow, Galicia.
HANTMAN, GANTMAN and SINGER in Smilovichi and Koidanovo, BEL.
SHOMER, SOMMERS, SOHMER & KULPE in Lithuania.


Help reading a German letter on Viewmate #general

ssroth@...
 

Hello,

I was wondering if any of you out there are able to read this letter which I
believe is written in German, which I've posted on Viewmate VM7870. You can
get there directly at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7870

Please respond privately to me if you are able to translate this letter.
Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Sheree Roth
Palo Alto, CA
ssroth@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help reading a German letter on Viewmate #general

ssroth@...
 

Hello,

I was wondering if any of you out there are able to read this letter which I
believe is written in German, which I've posted on Viewmate VM7870. You can
get there directly at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7870

Please respond privately to me if you are able to translate this letter.
Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Sheree Roth
Palo Alto, CA
ssroth@...


Tarnow Guide #general

dennis gries
 

Hello all:

Would anybody on this list that has used a guide in Tarnow or >from Crakow to
Tarnow and return, for the purpose of entre into the records offices for
people and land in Tarnow and environs, please privately respond to me so I
can get more information about your successes and expenses. As the
moderator will repeat also, privately, please. We are looking at a tour in
November which will give us an open day in Krakow, about 85 km away.

Thanks

Dennis Gries
Sarasota, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tarnow Guide #general

dennis gries
 

Hello all:

Would anybody on this list that has used a guide in Tarnow or >from Crakow to
Tarnow and return, for the purpose of entre into the records offices for
people and land in Tarnow and environs, please privately respond to me so I
can get more information about your successes and expenses. As the
moderator will repeat also, privately, please. We are looking at a tour in
November which will give us an open day in Krakow, about 85 km away.

Thanks

Dennis Gries
Sarasota, FL


NYC voter registration records #general

Sharon R. Korn <s.r.korn@...>
 

Hello,

I recently contacted the NYC Municipal Archives to ask if the $3.00 fee for
searching records had been increased. The answer was that there was no fee,
but the AD/ED had to be supplied. I asked again, to clarify that I was
referring to the fee for searching by address, without AD/ED, since
something on Jewishgen had referred to a $3.00 fee for that sort of search.
This is the answer I received: "I think you are referring to the Police
Census of 1890 $3.00 search fee we had a few years back. There's never been
a fee for the AD/ED number search because we do not have the appropriate
maps -- hence or [sic] request to patrons to supply the number."

My questions: 1. Is the quoted information correct, or is there really a
$3.00 fee for searching the voter records by address only? 2. Does the
quote refer to the same AD/ED that was used for the census, or is something
else required? Thank you!

Sharon Korn
San Diego, CA


Re: PA Abbreviation for alien status 1910 census - what does it mean #general

L. Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Papers Filed = Declaration of intent filed but process not yet completed.
Linda Altman
1st Vice President, Noerth Carolina Genealogical Society
Raleigh, NC

Does any one know what PA stands for in the Alien/Naturalized column in
the 1910 (or other) U.S. censuses?

Thank you
Debby Gincig Painter
Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC voter registration records #general

Sharon R. Korn <s.r.korn@...>
 

Hello,

I recently contacted the NYC Municipal Archives to ask if the $3.00 fee for
searching records had been increased. The answer was that there was no fee,
but the AD/ED had to be supplied. I asked again, to clarify that I was
referring to the fee for searching by address, without AD/ED, since
something on Jewishgen had referred to a $3.00 fee for that sort of search.
This is the answer I received: "I think you are referring to the Police
Census of 1890 $3.00 search fee we had a few years back. There's never been
a fee for the AD/ED number search because we do not have the appropriate
maps -- hence or [sic] request to patrons to supply the number."

My questions: 1. Is the quoted information correct, or is there really a
$3.00 fee for searching the voter records by address only? 2. Does the
quote refer to the same AD/ED that was used for the census, or is something
else required? Thank you!

Sharon Korn
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: PA Abbreviation for alien status 1910 census - what does it mean #general

L. Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Papers Filed = Declaration of intent filed but process not yet completed.
Linda Altman
1st Vice President, Noerth Carolina Genealogical Society
Raleigh, NC

Does any one know what PA stands for in the Alien/Naturalized column in
the 1910 (or other) U.S. censuses?

Thank you
Debby Gincig Painter
Michigan


Hrubieszow/Krylow surnames: BITERMAN, GOLOMB/GOLAB, ADLER, KIPER, GRUBER #general

genealogykid20@...
 

Hi, all!

I am researching the BITERMAN family of Hrubieszow and Krylow, Poland.

My grandfather is Judah Biterman (sisters Malka Truk, Chana Biterman,
brother Moshe Biterman), born in the early 1900s in Hrubieszow, Poland.
His first wife was Bluma FOLK.

Judah Biterman's father was Josef Biterman (sisters Liba Heryng, Riwka
Cymet, and Golda Ajdelman), born around 1870 in Hrubieszow, Poland.
Josef married Sura Gela GOLOMB (Golab/Golob/Golap/Golop) of Krylow,
Poland. Sura's parents were Iche Lejb and Chawa Kiper Golomb of Krylow.

Josef Biterman's father was Mordko Biterman (sisters Gitla Ruchla and
Ester Malka Biterman) of Hrubieszow, born around 1840 in Hrubieszow.
Mordko married Marya (Miriam) ADLER of Hrubieszow. Miriam's parents
are not known.

Mordko Biterman's father was Josef Biterman, born about 1800 in
Hrubieszow. Josef married Chana Zlota GRUBER, daughter of Aron and
Malka Gruber of Hrubieszow.

Josef Biterman's parents were Lejb and Chai. It is likely that they
did not use the surname Biterman because surnames were not required in
Poland until 1897.

If anyone has any connections to any of these family branches, please
contact me at genealogykid20@....

Sincerely,

Aaron Biterman
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hrubieszow/Krylow surnames: BITERMAN, GOLOMB/GOLAB, ADLER, KIPER, GRUBER #general

genealogykid20@...
 

Hi, all!

I am researching the BITERMAN family of Hrubieszow and Krylow, Poland.

My grandfather is Judah Biterman (sisters Malka Truk, Chana Biterman,
brother Moshe Biterman), born in the early 1900s in Hrubieszow, Poland.
His first wife was Bluma FOLK.

Judah Biterman's father was Josef Biterman (sisters Liba Heryng, Riwka
Cymet, and Golda Ajdelman), born around 1870 in Hrubieszow, Poland.
Josef married Sura Gela GOLOMB (Golab/Golob/Golap/Golop) of Krylow,
Poland. Sura's parents were Iche Lejb and Chawa Kiper Golomb of Krylow.

Josef Biterman's father was Mordko Biterman (sisters Gitla Ruchla and
Ester Malka Biterman) of Hrubieszow, born around 1840 in Hrubieszow.
Mordko married Marya (Miriam) ADLER of Hrubieszow. Miriam's parents
are not known.

Mordko Biterman's father was Josef Biterman, born about 1800 in
Hrubieszow. Josef married Chana Zlota GRUBER, daughter of Aron and
Malka Gruber of Hrubieszow.

Josef Biterman's parents were Lejb and Chai. It is likely that they
did not use the surname Biterman because surnames were not required in
Poland until 1897.

If anyone has any connections to any of these family branches, please
contact me at genealogykid20@....

Sincerely,

Aaron Biterman
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


Gabelman and Leibick family #poland

Shelly Crane
 

Hello to all,

I have been working with another GABELMAN researcher who may be a cousin.
Ed GABELMAN's father Julius, was born in Kolno, Poland in the early 1900's.
My GABELMAN family came >from Szczuczyn. Both towns are in the Lomza
Gubernia. So far we have not been able to determine if there is a
connection between our families.

I submitted a picture on View mate in hopes someone will recognize
his aunts and uncles. The couple in the center of the photo are,
Abram Eliasz GABELMAN son of ? and Szeyna LEIBICK daughter of Abram
Aron.

If you recognize their children and/or know something about this family,
please contact the e-mail address listed under the photo on View mate

The photo can be found at the following website:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7848

Thank you,

Shelly Crane
USA
crzprncess@...

Names I am researching in Poland:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BALABAN, BARANSKY,BOGUSZEWSKI, BRIKMAN,
CUKERBRAUM, DANOWSKI, EDENBAUM, FAJNTUCH, FINKIELSZTEYN, FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, HERSZON, LANGANS, LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN,
LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, LITOFF, MALINARSKY, MILEWICZ, NISMAN, PRESSMAN,
SZARFSZTEJN, WAJNBERG, WRUBEL


JRI Poland #Poland Gabelman and Leibick family #poland

Shelly Crane
 

Hello to all,

I have been working with another GABELMAN researcher who may be a cousin.
Ed GABELMAN's father Julius, was born in Kolno, Poland in the early 1900's.
My GABELMAN family came >from Szczuczyn. Both towns are in the Lomza
Gubernia. So far we have not been able to determine if there is a
connection between our families.

I submitted a picture on View mate in hopes someone will recognize
his aunts and uncles. The couple in the center of the photo are,
Abram Eliasz GABELMAN son of ? and Szeyna LEIBICK daughter of Abram
Aron.

If you recognize their children and/or know something about this family,
please contact the e-mail address listed under the photo on View mate

The photo can be found at the following website:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7848

Thank you,

Shelly Crane
USA
crzprncess@...

Names I am researching in Poland:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BALABAN, BARANSKY,BOGUSZEWSKI, BRIKMAN,
CUKERBRAUM, DANOWSKI, EDENBAUM, FAJNTUCH, FINKIELSZTEYN, FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, HERSZON, LANGANS, LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN,
LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, LITOFF, MALINARSKY, MILEWICZ, NISMAN, PRESSMAN,
SZARFSZTEJN, WAJNBERG, WRUBEL


Re: Coming of Age in 1808 #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

I'm just able to answer your first question : "What is the source of
the majority age of 21 ? A complete information is presented on the
website http://membres.lycos.fr/numa/major.html Unfortunately, it's
in French, but it seems bo be rather comprehensible even if you don't
speak French.

--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org



--------

At 8:27 +0200 24/05/06, Paul King wrote:
Pierre Hahn asks the interesting question: When is the coming of age
for males and females in 1808? Eliane Roos Scuhl replies that it is
age 21 for both. While by no means an inconsistency (one can find it
today), males, I believe, were eligible for compulsory military
service in the Grande Armee at age 18. What is the source for the
majority age of 21?

Of broader import, and I think completely untouched in the
literature, is the effect of majority age on domestics in Jewish
households at this time. Indeed, the whole question of domestics,
prominent in non-metropolitan areas, seems to be neglected. What
percentage were relatives? Orphans? Would domestics be found in only
well-to-do families or were they supplementary labour power where
ailing children were prominent? Did their contractual relationship
to their "lord" change at age 21?

Seeking SCHEUER (Provins - d. 1926)
STRAUSS (Strasbourg - mid 19th c. >from Moselle in Rhineland)

Paul King
Jerusalem


French SIG #France Re:Coming of Age in 1808 #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

I'm just able to answer your first question : "What is the source of
the majority age of 21 ? A complete information is presented on the
website http://membres.lycos.fr/numa/major.html Unfortunately, it's
in French, but it seems bo be rather comprehensible even if you don't
speak French.

--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org



--------

At 8:27 +0200 24/05/06, Paul King wrote:
Pierre Hahn asks the interesting question: When is the coming of age
for males and females in 1808? Eliane Roos Scuhl replies that it is
age 21 for both. While by no means an inconsistency (one can find it
today), males, I believe, were eligible for compulsory military
service in the Grande Armee at age 18. What is the source for the
majority age of 21?

Of broader import, and I think completely untouched in the
literature, is the effect of majority age on domestics in Jewish
households at this time. Indeed, the whole question of domestics,
prominent in non-metropolitan areas, seems to be neglected. What
percentage were relatives? Orphans? Would domestics be found in only
well-to-do families or were they supplementary labour power where
ailing children were prominent? Did their contractual relationship
to their "lord" change at age 21?

Seeking SCHEUER (Provins - d. 1926)
STRAUSS (Strasbourg - mid 19th c. >from Moselle in Rhineland)

Paul King
Jerusalem