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Re: R' Yekhiel-Michel of Nemirow #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper
 

Earlier today, Isak Gath <isak@bm.technion.ac.il> asked:

I was wondering if Yiekhiel Mekhl Zlotchover had anything to do with
R'Yekhiel-Michel of Nemirow, who was killed during the Chmelnicki
pogroms in 1648, and whose father was R'Eliezer of Zlochew.
R' Yekhiel-Michel of Nemirow had a brother, R' Eliezer (in Sefer
Yismach Moshe, El(e)azr) of Zlochev, father-in-law of Rabbi Yehuda
of Potok and son-in-law of Rabbi Yehuda Margolios of Potok. The
first Rabbi Yehuda of Potok who I mentioned had a son named
R' Eliezer (in Sefer Yismach Moshe, El(e)azr).

Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh, PA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: R' Yekhiel-Michel of Nemirow #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper
 

Earlier today, Isak Gath <isak@bm.technion.ac.il> asked:

I was wondering if Yiekhiel Mekhl Zlotchover had anything to do with
R'Yekhiel-Michel of Nemirow, who was killed during the Chmelnicki
pogroms in 1648, and whose father was R'Eliezer of Zlochew.
R' Yekhiel-Michel of Nemirow had a brother, R' Eliezer (in Sefer
Yismach Moshe, El(e)azr) of Zlochev, father-in-law of Rabbi Yehuda
of Potok and son-in-law of Rabbi Yehuda Margolios of Potok. The
first Rabbi Yehuda of Potok who I mentioned had a son named
R' Eliezer (in Sefer Yismach Moshe, El(e)azr).

Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh, PA


Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Hello,

There was, in the early 19th Century, a Phoebus CARO
in Graaff Reinet, South Africa, a member of the Poznan
Caro family.

Here are notes that I have made about him:

"Graaff Reinet was the location of one of the trading
houses owned by the Mosenthal family, Jews from
Kassel. This store was opened in late 1842 by the
brothers Adolph and Joseph Mosenthal and was managed
by Phoebus (Feibusch ) Caro, a Jew >from Posen (now
Poznañ) in Prussian Poland. He was a steerage
passenger on board a ship, the “Waterloo”, bound for
Tasmania, which ran aground off the Cape on the 28th
August 1842 . He was one of 90 survivors, and landed
in South Africa destitute . There, he met Adolph and
Joseph Mosenthal, and the latter, remembering his own
sad predicament when he had arrived penniless in Cape
Town in 1833, offered Caro employment. Caro ran the
Mosenthals’ store in Graaff Reinet, and eventually
became a wealthy and prominent citizen of the town."

If anyone can give me more details about Phoebus
CARO's ancestry, I would be very grateful.

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica CARO #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Hello,

There was, in the early 19th Century, a Phoebus CARO
in Graaff Reinet, South Africa, a member of the Poznan
Caro family.

Here are notes that I have made about him:

"Graaff Reinet was the location of one of the trading
houses owned by the Mosenthal family, Jews from
Kassel. This store was opened in late 1842 by the
brothers Adolph and Joseph Mosenthal and was managed
by Phoebus (Feibusch ) Caro, a Jew >from Posen (now
Poznañ) in Prussian Poland. He was a steerage
passenger on board a ship, the “Waterloo”, bound for
Tasmania, which ran aground off the Cape on the 28th
August 1842 . He was one of 90 survivors, and landed
in South Africa destitute . There, he met Adolph and
Joseph Mosenthal, and the latter, remembering his own
sad predicament when he had arrived penniless in Cape
Town in 1833, offered Caro employment. Caro ran the
Mosenthals’ store in Graaff Reinet, and eventually
became a wealthy and prominent citizen of the town."

If anyone can give me more details about Phoebus
CARO's ancestry, I would be very grateful.

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Jewish Life in Heidelberg, Gauteng #southafrica

Kahn <denmor@...>
 

Members of my family resided in Heidelberg, Eastern Transvaal at the end of
the 19th century.
Three Gochin brothers adopted Bergman as their surname when Joseph and Jacob
rented a general dealer's business, trading as 'Bergman se Winkel/Bergman's
Shop'. This was about 1896.

Can this be confirmed >from the research being done on country communities or
other sources?

Thanks in advance,
Dennis Kahn
Amsterdam
denmor@xs4all.nl


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Jewish Life in Heidelberg, Gauteng #southafrica

Kahn <denmor@...>
 

Members of my family resided in Heidelberg, Eastern Transvaal at the end of
the 19th century.
Three Gochin brothers adopted Bergman as their surname when Joseph and Jacob
rented a general dealer's business, trading as 'Bergman se Winkel/Bergman's
Shop'. This was about 1896.

Can this be confirmed >from the research being done on country communities or
other sources?

Thanks in advance,
Dennis Kahn
Amsterdam
denmor@xs4all.nl


translation #romania

MIKA <h9750477@...>
 

can someone translate me please the sign part about the suffix "escu" at :
http://www.atheneum.ca/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=85
Thaks
Mika Hovav
h9750477@bezeqint.net
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign with your location also.


Romania SIG #Romania translation #romania

MIKA <h9750477@...>
 

can someone translate me please the sign part about the suffix "escu" at :
http://www.atheneum.ca/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=85
Thaks
Mika Hovav
h9750477@bezeqint.net
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign with your location also.


TROPP (Cohanim) Family: Grodno or Vilnius, 1843 -> Israel #belarus

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

Several new developments and hints had led me to open again this very
long-time mystery and to re-examine it.
Basically, I'm trying to find other people related to the family I'll soon
describe.
My g-g-grandmother was Esther Itta GOLDBERG nee TROPP.
She was born in 1843 in Vilnius (Lithuania) or in Grodno (Belarus) to her
parents: Yaacov HaCohen (son of Zeev) and Gittl Menucha TROPP. She was
probably a single child, but that's not sure...
When Esther Itta was a few months old, she immigrated with her parents
to Israel.
The family first lived in Jerusalem, but soon after Esther Itta got married
(in the age of 14y/o...) and moved with her husband to Jaffa - her parents
moved there too, to live near her.
Yaacov died in 1896, Gittl in 1899 - they are both burried in the old
Jewish cemetery in Jaffa. I guess they should have born in the 1810s-1820s. We
don't know when Esther Itta died and where she's burried. She probably died
before 1917, and might have been nurried in Jaffa or in Jerusalem.
All of my attempts until now to find out more details about the family -
brought nothing!
Until now, over the last 7 years, no more clues were gathered >from inside my
extended family, nor any connection was found during my research.

The main two anchors in my story are these:
1. The TROPPs were Cohanim;
2. The TROPPs immigrated to Israel as early as of 1843.

I did hear >from many colleagues (TROPPs and non-TROPPs) about the GARNAT
(Gaon Rabbi Naftali TROPP), but he wasn't mentioned in my (very few) family
stories.
If any of the above rings a bell - I'll be very glad to hear!

Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Belarus SIG #Belarus TROPP (Cohanim) Family: Grodno or Vilnius, 1843 -> Israel #belarus

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

Several new developments and hints had led me to open again this very
long-time mystery and to re-examine it.
Basically, I'm trying to find other people related to the family I'll soon
describe.
My g-g-grandmother was Esther Itta GOLDBERG nee TROPP.
She was born in 1843 in Vilnius (Lithuania) or in Grodno (Belarus) to her
parents: Yaacov HaCohen (son of Zeev) and Gittl Menucha TROPP. She was
probably a single child, but that's not sure...
When Esther Itta was a few months old, she immigrated with her parents
to Israel.
The family first lived in Jerusalem, but soon after Esther Itta got married
(in the age of 14y/o...) and moved with her husband to Jaffa - her parents
moved there too, to live near her.
Yaacov died in 1896, Gittl in 1899 - they are both burried in the old
Jewish cemetery in Jaffa. I guess they should have born in the 1810s-1820s. We
don't know when Esther Itta died and where she's burried. She probably died
before 1917, and might have been nurried in Jaffa or in Jerusalem.
All of my attempts until now to find out more details about the family -
brought nothing!
Until now, over the last 7 years, no more clues were gathered >from inside my
extended family, nor any connection was found during my research.

The main two anchors in my story are these:
1. The TROPPs were Cohanim;
2. The TROPPs immigrated to Israel as early as of 1843.

I did hear >from many colleagues (TROPPs and non-TROPPs) about the GARNAT
(Gaon Rabbi Naftali TROPP), but he wasn't mentioned in my (very few) family
stories.
If any of the above rings a bell - I'll be very glad to hear!

Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


CARO, AUERBACH, MIELZINER, LURIA, KALONUYMUS, LURIA, Lipman BAK #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 21:23 18-07-2006, Janette Levey Frisch <Jslevey@aol.com>
wrote to the JewishGen mailing list:
...snip...
On my grtgrandfather's side, I found that his mother and her parents (my
grtgrtgrandmother and my grtgrtgrtgrandparents) had the name Caro and are
listed in one census as having been born in Clechchovia and another census
says Deu Poland. ....snip...
----------------------------------

I sent the below reply to Janette, but thought that the information might be
of interest to the Scandinavia SIGenners, so I resend it to this list:

I saw the name CARO and thought I'd let you know that there is some
information in the book: "Moses Mielziner 1828-1903 - biography with
a Bibliography of his writings" by Ella McKenna Friend Mielziner,
New York, 1931.

I only copied the information about the CAROs that related to MIELZINER, who
was the one I was researching, but combined it with information >from other
sources as well. I copy it below but you might find more info in the book
itself.

If anyone have - or find - more information I'd me *most grateful* if you
would share it with me.

If you want information about the Danish descendants of Rosa CARO, let me
know and I'll send it to you.

Best wishes

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

---------------------------------
The information about the CAROs:
---------------------------------
The CARO-family: Rabbi Chaim AUERBACH (Rosa's nephew) and Rosa's son, Moses,
told their descendants that according to the family tradition that they
descended on the maternal side >from the famous "mystician" >from Toledo and
Safed, Joseph CARO (1488-1575). The direct line was said to be through rabbi
Salomon CARO >from Gratz, Posen, son of Rabbi Eleazar Lipman CARO, who was
a leader of the rabbinical court in Chadziesch. Rabbi Abraham CARO of
Krotoschin and Pinne made a Hebrew pedigree of the CARO family in the first
half of the 19th Century (later published bu Lamm, Berlin, 1922; translated
to English by Dr. David de Sola Pool and annotated and updated by Ella
McKenna Friend Mielziner, 1928-1929. New York Public Library and
Collections of American Jewish History Society in New York have photocopies.

According to this pedigree the CARO-family be traced far back - back to a
leader of the temple in the first years of the Christian era. The Family
includes an aristocratic line of learned men, leaders of rabbibical courts,
teachers, "mysticians", translator of Arabic science, princes ("Nasi") and
a branch of the famous early printers.

The family is through marriage liked to KALONUYMUS, LURIA, Lipman BAK and
others.

Some members of Rosa CARO's family apparently lived and studied in Padua.
Members of the CARO-family were blond.

About the forefather:
Loeb (-?-) lived in Kleczewo, Kalish, Belarus.
He was also known as Loeb MORENO.

He had four known daughters:
1 & 2: Two whose names are unknown - both married.
3: Johabed (-?-) (surname unknown but as Rosa=92s surname is CARO, she
might have the same surname?) She married (-?-) AUERBACH, and they
had one known child: Chaim AUERBACH.
and
4: Rosa Rachel CARO married Benjamin Leib MIELZINER circa 1817

They had 6 known children, but none born between 1818 and 1824.
She died in 1835.

Of their children some settled in Denmark where there are
Descendants - some buried in Copenhagen, some in Aalborg.

One son Moses MIELZINER was born on 12 Aug 1828 in Schubin, Poland.
He was a rabbi. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906
(article about Rabbi Dr Moses Mielziner): "He went to Denmark,
where his brother Solomon was minister in Aalborg, and soon
obtained a position at Randers, Denmark, in 1854. In 1857 he was
called as principal of the religious school to Copenhagen, where
he remained until 1865, when he was called to the rabbinate of
the Congregation Anshe Chesed in New York". He married Rosette
LEVALD in 1861. He died on 18 Feb 1903 in Cincinatti, USA, aged 74.
Their children were all born in Denmark.

Another son Leib Meir MIELZINER (also known as Louis Mielziner
MYERS) lived in New Zealand. He married Catherine EHRENFRIED.
He was born in 1833 in Czerniejewo, Poznan, Poland.

Bibliography:

1. "Pedigree for Louise Nancy Wagner married Janssen". november 1990.
2. Ella McKenna Friend Mielziner. Moses Mielziner 1828-1903 - A biography
with a Bibliography of his writings. New York City: n.pub., 1931.
3. Josef Fischer (Danish Jewish genealogist). "Slægten Salomonsen
(Nyborg). Copenhagen, 1927.
4. Julius Margolinsky. =94Jewish Burials in Denmark 1693-1776. Copenhagen,
1978.
5. Michael Hartvig. "Levin Marcus Hartvig=92s Descendants. Pedigree for
the HARTVIG-family". Copenhagen, 1928.


Re: Bukowina Shtetl name changes #ukraine

ahssha@...
 

Bernie Levy <bernie-levy@prodigy.net> writes

The original spellings of my probable/possible ancestral towns, as
told to me by
a cousin, were Berhometh and Mihowa. A few years ago, I thought that
Jewishgen
Family Finder and Shtetl-Seeker had them as Beregomet and Migovo and
that's what
I adopted in my mind and research. Now I find that JGFF and S-S have
their
primary names as Berehomet and Myhove. What's going on?
I think the spellings changed >from Russian to Ukrainian. Russian has a
hard 'g' and no 'h' but Ukrainian has an 'h'. For example, the name
Horowitz is pronounced "Gorovits" in Russian.

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahssha at rcn dot com

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia CARO, AUERBACH, MIELZINER, LURIA, KALONUYMUS, LURIA, Lipman BAK #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 21:23 18-07-2006, Janette Levey Frisch <Jslevey@aol.com>
wrote to the JewishGen mailing list:
...snip...
On my grtgrandfather's side, I found that his mother and her parents (my
grtgrtgrandmother and my grtgrtgrtgrandparents) had the name Caro and are
listed in one census as having been born in Clechchovia and another census
says Deu Poland. ....snip...
----------------------------------

I sent the below reply to Janette, but thought that the information might be
of interest to the Scandinavia SIGenners, so I resend it to this list:

I saw the name CARO and thought I'd let you know that there is some
information in the book: "Moses Mielziner 1828-1903 - biography with
a Bibliography of his writings" by Ella McKenna Friend Mielziner,
New York, 1931.

I only copied the information about the CAROs that related to MIELZINER, who
was the one I was researching, but combined it with information >from other
sources as well. I copy it below but you might find more info in the book
itself.

If anyone have - or find - more information I'd me *most grateful* if you
would share it with me.

If you want information about the Danish descendants of Rosa CARO, let me
know and I'll send it to you.

Best wishes

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

---------------------------------
The information about the CAROs:
---------------------------------
The CARO-family: Rabbi Chaim AUERBACH (Rosa's nephew) and Rosa's son, Moses,
told their descendants that according to the family tradition that they
descended on the maternal side >from the famous "mystician" >from Toledo and
Safed, Joseph CARO (1488-1575). The direct line was said to be through rabbi
Salomon CARO >from Gratz, Posen, son of Rabbi Eleazar Lipman CARO, who was
a leader of the rabbinical court in Chadziesch. Rabbi Abraham CARO of
Krotoschin and Pinne made a Hebrew pedigree of the CARO family in the first
half of the 19th Century (later published bu Lamm, Berlin, 1922; translated
to English by Dr. David de Sola Pool and annotated and updated by Ella
McKenna Friend Mielziner, 1928-1929. New York Public Library and
Collections of American Jewish History Society in New York have photocopies.

According to this pedigree the CARO-family be traced far back - back to a
leader of the temple in the first years of the Christian era. The Family
includes an aristocratic line of learned men, leaders of rabbibical courts,
teachers, "mysticians", translator of Arabic science, princes ("Nasi") and
a branch of the famous early printers.

The family is through marriage liked to KALONUYMUS, LURIA, Lipman BAK and
others.

Some members of Rosa CARO's family apparently lived and studied in Padua.
Members of the CARO-family were blond.

About the forefather:
Loeb (-?-) lived in Kleczewo, Kalish, Belarus.
He was also known as Loeb MORENO.

He had four known daughters:
1 & 2: Two whose names are unknown - both married.
3: Johabed (-?-) (surname unknown but as Rosa=92s surname is CARO, she
might have the same surname?) She married (-?-) AUERBACH, and they
had one known child: Chaim AUERBACH.
and
4: Rosa Rachel CARO married Benjamin Leib MIELZINER circa 1817

They had 6 known children, but none born between 1818 and 1824.
She died in 1835.

Of their children some settled in Denmark where there are
Descendants - some buried in Copenhagen, some in Aalborg.

One son Moses MIELZINER was born on 12 Aug 1828 in Schubin, Poland.
He was a rabbi. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906
(article about Rabbi Dr Moses Mielziner): "He went to Denmark,
where his brother Solomon was minister in Aalborg, and soon
obtained a position at Randers, Denmark, in 1854. In 1857 he was
called as principal of the religious school to Copenhagen, where
he remained until 1865, when he was called to the rabbinate of
the Congregation Anshe Chesed in New York". He married Rosette
LEVALD in 1861. He died on 18 Feb 1903 in Cincinatti, USA, aged 74.
Their children were all born in Denmark.

Another son Leib Meir MIELZINER (also known as Louis Mielziner
MYERS) lived in New Zealand. He married Catherine EHRENFRIED.
He was born in 1833 in Czerniejewo, Poznan, Poland.

Bibliography:

1. "Pedigree for Louise Nancy Wagner married Janssen". november 1990.
2. Ella McKenna Friend Mielziner. Moses Mielziner 1828-1903 - A biography
with a Bibliography of his writings. New York City: n.pub., 1931.
3. Josef Fischer (Danish Jewish genealogist). "Slægten Salomonsen
(Nyborg). Copenhagen, 1927.
4. Julius Margolinsky. =94Jewish Burials in Denmark 1693-1776. Copenhagen,
1978.
5. Michael Hartvig. "Levin Marcus Hartvig=92s Descendants. Pedigree for
the HARTVIG-family". Copenhagen, 1928.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Bukowina Shtetl name changes #ukraine

ahssha@...
 

Bernie Levy <bernie-levy@prodigy.net> writes

The original spellings of my probable/possible ancestral towns, as
told to me by
a cousin, were Berhometh and Mihowa. A few years ago, I thought that
Jewishgen
Family Finder and Shtetl-Seeker had them as Beregomet and Migovo and
that's what
I adopted in my mind and research. Now I find that JGFF and S-S have
their
primary names as Berehomet and Myhove. What's going on?
I think the spellings changed >from Russian to Ukrainian. Russian has a
hard 'g' and no 'h' but Ukrainian has an 'h'. For example, the name
Horowitz is pronounced "Gorovits" in Russian.

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahssha at rcn dot com

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Re: ISO NEUMANN of Vienna m. Vera of textile & scarf empire #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Lisa Thaler has asked us about George NEUMANN of Vienna,
Austria who died at a relatively young age [Jan. 1962] in NY.

George NEUMANN, his CT-born wife Vera Salaff NEUMANN (d. 1993), and
fellow emigre Frederick Werner HAMM (d. 1960) >from Germany
established the Vera textile company in 1946. "Vera" is best known
for bold scarf designs (c1960s), with a ladybug [ladybird/
Marienkafer] logo

Google "Vera+Scarf" to see some of these iconic designs.

George NEUMANN was part of the Vienna circle of friends that included
artist Sacha KOLIN, the focus of Lisa's intensive research {Sacha
KOLIN (born 1911 Paris - 1981 NYC; res. -1936 Vienna).

Lisa [we have only ever met on the Austria-Czech SIG!* ] and I have
collaborated successfully before on aspects of Sacha KOLIN's life and
you can see the messages in the SIG archives. After a flurry of
emails last night, I was able to confirm that the father of George
NEUMANN was Emanuel NEUMANN >from Vienna - dob 14 May 1879 and these
are either his children [siblings of George] or his nephews and
nieces - Ernst is probably a cousin. They may be serendipitously
linked to Emanuel, but it is unlikely:

NEUMANN Max 22 Dec 1909; NEUMANN Lisbeth 11 Nov 1910; NEUMANN Ernst
20 Jan 1879.

So if you know about any of the above, it would be a great help. They
probably also ended up in NY. George sadly predeceased his father
Emanuel in NY. Tragically we can read on Yad vashem that Ernst
NEUMANN of Vienna was a holocaust victim.

I have a probable address for Ing. Emanuel NEUMANN in the prestigious
Cottage district of Vienna - Haizingergasse **, Vienna XIII;
Incidentally [or perhaps that is how Sacha and George met as
children?] it is very close to the Weimarerstr. address where Sacha
and her family lived!

Ing. Emanuel was the Director of the *Sabel Electrical Light and
Power Installation Co" in Vienna - so another possible link with
Sacha's father Julius KOLIN who was himself a mechanical engineer:
see www.sachakolin.com

Lisa has miraculously retrieved Emanuel's WWII registration where it
appears he is an engineer [machinist?] in 1942 so I am hopeful I have
found the right family. The jigsaw puzzle fits together beautifully.

This shows once again that one can piece together a mystery by using
many different sources of information in a relatively short time.
Definitive proof lies in the archives in Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]

* Footnote: if you are interested in the Jews of Vienna, the rest of
Austria, Bohemia and Moravia [Czech Republic] - please join the
Austria-Czech SIG: http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/

MODERATOR NOTE: ** Full address suppressed in accordance with JewishGen rules.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re:ISO NEUMANN of Vienna m. Vera of textile & scarf empire #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Lisa Thaler has asked us about George NEUMANN of Vienna,
Austria who died at a relatively young age [Jan. 1962] in NY.

George NEUMANN, his CT-born wife Vera Salaff NEUMANN (d. 1993), and
fellow emigre Frederick Werner HAMM (d. 1960) >from Germany
established the Vera textile company in 1946. "Vera" is best known
for bold scarf designs (c1960s), with a ladybug [ladybird/
Marienkafer] logo

Google "Vera+Scarf" to see some of these iconic designs.

George NEUMANN was part of the Vienna circle of friends that included
artist Sacha KOLIN, the focus of Lisa's intensive research {Sacha
KOLIN (born 1911 Paris - 1981 NYC; res. -1936 Vienna).

Lisa [we have only ever met on the Austria-Czech SIG!* ] and I have
collaborated successfully before on aspects of Sacha KOLIN's life and
you can see the messages in the SIG archives. After a flurry of
emails last night, I was able to confirm that the father of George
NEUMANN was Emanuel NEUMANN >from Vienna - dob 14 May 1879 and these
are either his children [siblings of George] or his nephews and
nieces - Ernst is probably a cousin. They may be serendipitously
linked to Emanuel, but it is unlikely:

NEUMANN Max 22 Dec 1909; NEUMANN Lisbeth 11 Nov 1910; NEUMANN Ernst
20 Jan 1879.

So if you know about any of the above, it would be a great help. They
probably also ended up in NY. George sadly predeceased his father
Emanuel in NY. Tragically we can read on Yad vashem that Ernst
NEUMANN of Vienna was a holocaust victim.

I have a probable address for Ing. Emanuel NEUMANN in the prestigious
Cottage district of Vienna - Haizingergasse **, Vienna XIII;
Incidentally [or perhaps that is how Sacha and George met as
children?] it is very close to the Weimarerstr. address where Sacha
and her family lived!

Ing. Emanuel was the Director of the *Sabel Electrical Light and
Power Installation Co" in Vienna - so another possible link with
Sacha's father Julius KOLIN who was himself a mechanical engineer:
see www.sachakolin.com

Lisa has miraculously retrieved Emanuel's WWII registration where it
appears he is an engineer [machinist?] in 1942 so I am hopeful I have
found the right family. The jigsaw puzzle fits together beautifully.

This shows once again that one can piece together a mystery by using
many different sources of information in a relatively short time.
Definitive proof lies in the archives in Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]

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TROPP (Cohanim) Family: Grodno or Vilnius, 1843 -> Israel #general

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

Several new developments and hints had led me to open again this very
long-time mystery and to re-examine it.

Basically, I'm trying to find other people related to the family I'll soon
describe.

My g-g-grandmother was Esther Itta GOLDBERG nee TROPP.
She was born in 1843 in Vilnius (Lithuania) or in Grodno (Belarus) to her
parents: Yaacov HaCohen (son of Zeev) and Gittl Menucha TROPP. She was
probably a single child, but that's not sure...

When Esther Itta was a few months old, she immigrated with her parents to Israel.
The family first lived in Jerusalem, but soon after Esther Itta got married
(in the age of 14y/o...) and moved with her husband to Jaffa - her parents
moved there too, to live near her.

Yaacov died in 1896, Gittl in 1899 - they are both burried in the old Jewish
cemetery in Jaffa. I guess they should have born in the 1810s-1820s. We
don't know when Esther Itta died and where she's burried. She probably died
before 1917, and might have been nurried in Jaffa or in Jerusalem.

All of my attempts until now to find out more details about the family -
brought nothing! Until now, over the last 7 years, no more clues were gathered
from inside my extended family, nor any connection was found during my research.
The main two anchors in my story are these:
1. The TROPPs were Cohanim;
2. The TROPPs immigrated to Israel as early as of 1843.

I did hear >from many colleagues (TROPPs and non-TROPPs) about the GARNAT (Gaon
Rabbi Naftali TROPP), but he wasn't mentioned in my (very few) family stories.

If any of the above rings a bell - I'll be very glad to hear!

Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TROPP (Cohanim) Family: Grodno or Vilnius, 1843 -> Israel #general

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

Several new developments and hints had led me to open again this very
long-time mystery and to re-examine it.

Basically, I'm trying to find other people related to the family I'll soon
describe.

My g-g-grandmother was Esther Itta GOLDBERG nee TROPP.
She was born in 1843 in Vilnius (Lithuania) or in Grodno (Belarus) to her
parents: Yaacov HaCohen (son of Zeev) and Gittl Menucha TROPP. She was
probably a single child, but that's not sure...

When Esther Itta was a few months old, she immigrated with her parents to Israel.
The family first lived in Jerusalem, but soon after Esther Itta got married
(in the age of 14y/o...) and moved with her husband to Jaffa - her parents
moved there too, to live near her.

Yaacov died in 1896, Gittl in 1899 - they are both burried in the old Jewish
cemetery in Jaffa. I guess they should have born in the 1810s-1820s. We
don't know when Esther Itta died and where she's burried. She probably died
before 1917, and might have been nurried in Jaffa or in Jerusalem.

All of my attempts until now to find out more details about the family -
brought nothing! Until now, over the last 7 years, no more clues were gathered
from inside my extended family, nor any connection was found during my research.
The main two anchors in my story are these:
1. The TROPPs were Cohanim;
2. The TROPPs immigrated to Israel as early as of 1843.

I did hear >from many colleagues (TROPPs and non-TROPPs) about the GARNAT (Gaon
Rabbi Naftali TROPP), but he wasn't mentioned in my (very few) family stories.

If any of the above rings a bell - I'll be very glad to hear!

Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


TROPP (Cohanim) Family: Grodno or Vilnius, 1843 -> Israel #lithuania

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

Several new developments and hints had led me to open again this very
long-time mystery and to re-examine it.

Basically, I'm trying to find other people related to the family I'll
soon describe.

My g-g-grandmother was Esther Itta GOLDBERG nee TROPP.
She was born in 1843 in Vilnius (Lithuania) or in Grodno (Belarus) to
her parents: Yaacov HaCohen (son of Zeev) and Gittl Menucha TROPP. She
was probably a single child, but that's not sure...

When Esther Itta was a few months old, she immigrated with her parents
to Israel.

The family first lived in Jerusalem, but soon after Esther Itta got
married (in the age of 14y/o...) and moved with her husband to Jaffa -
her parents moved there too, to live near her.

Yaacov died in 1896, Gittl in 1899 - they are both buried in the old
Jewish cemetery in Jaffa. I guess they should have born in the 1810s-1820s.
We don't know when Esther Itta died and where she's burried. She probably
died before 1917, and might have been buried in Jaffa or in Jerusalem.

All of my attempts until now to find out more details about the family -
brought nothing! Until now, over the last 7 years, no more clues were
gathered >from inside my extended family, nor any connection was found
during my research.

The main two anchors in my story are these:
1. The TROPPs were Cohanim;
2. The TROPPs immigrated to Israel as early as of 1843.

I did hear >from many colleagues (TROPPs and non-TROPPs) about the GARNAT
(Gaon Rabbi Naftali TROPP), but he wasn't mentioned in my (very few)
family stories.

If any of the above rings a bell - I'll be very glad to hear!

Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania TROPP (Cohanim) Family: Grodno or Vilnius, 1843 -> Israel #lithuania

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

Several new developments and hints had led me to open again this very
long-time mystery and to re-examine it.

Basically, I'm trying to find other people related to the family I'll
soon describe.

My g-g-grandmother was Esther Itta GOLDBERG nee TROPP.
She was born in 1843 in Vilnius (Lithuania) or in Grodno (Belarus) to
her parents: Yaacov HaCohen (son of Zeev) and Gittl Menucha TROPP. She
was probably a single child, but that's not sure...

When Esther Itta was a few months old, she immigrated with her parents
to Israel.

The family first lived in Jerusalem, but soon after Esther Itta got
married (in the age of 14y/o...) and moved with her husband to Jaffa -
her parents moved there too, to live near her.

Yaacov died in 1896, Gittl in 1899 - they are both buried in the old
Jewish cemetery in Jaffa. I guess they should have born in the 1810s-1820s.
We don't know when Esther Itta died and where she's burried. She probably
died before 1917, and might have been buried in Jaffa or in Jerusalem.

All of my attempts until now to find out more details about the family -
brought nothing! Until now, over the last 7 years, no more clues were
gathered >from inside my extended family, nor any connection was found
during my research.

The main two anchors in my story are these:
1. The TROPPs were Cohanim;
2. The TROPPs immigrated to Israel as early as of 1843.

I did hear >from many colleagues (TROPPs and non-TROPPs) about the GARNAT
(Gaon Rabbi Naftali TROPP), but he wasn't mentioned in my (very few)
family stories.

If any of the above rings a bell - I'll be very glad to hear!

Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il