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Re: Visiting Druya, Belarus - can anyone give advice? #belarus

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 6/17/06, Danielle Joffe <danielle.joffe@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I am thinking of visiting Druya in September/October this year, and wonder
if anyone has been and can give me advice. eg, translator, guide, how to get
there... where to get access to records, etc
Dear Danielle,

I visited Druya last summer. The Druya Jewish cemetery is amazing!
coming >from the south, (our driver/ translator took us >from Minsk that
morning via about 20 shtetls to Druya) it is the first thing you see (
on the hills above the sign welcoming you to Druya). It is very well
kept
by fonds >from survivors who now live in Israel. You could find
pictures ( pre war and recent) and much information on a site which I
created for Druya
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/druya/druya.html . Also there are
2 Yizkor books, some chapters translated and on line. The well known
big synagogue of Druya is also there. It is ready to become a museum
for the Jewish life of the shtetl if not for a few thousands needed to
fix it. Druya is located at the very north west corner of Belarus
bordering Lithuania and Latvia. Yuri Dorn helped us with the Visa
needed for Belarus and a very good driver/ guide who took us from
Druya To Polechek and waited with us until 2 in the morning. We
boarded the night train to Riga which was very inexpensive and good.

..love to include your family pictures and information in the site,
Thanks,
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Visiting Druya, Belarus - can anyone give advice? #belarus

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 6/17/06, Danielle Joffe <danielle.joffe@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I am thinking of visiting Druya in September/October this year, and wonder
if anyone has been and can give me advice. eg, translator, guide, how to get
there... where to get access to records, etc
Dear Danielle,

I visited Druya last summer. The Druya Jewish cemetery is amazing!
coming >from the south, (our driver/ translator took us >from Minsk that
morning via about 20 shtetls to Druya) it is the first thing you see (
on the hills above the sign welcoming you to Druya). It is very well
kept
by fonds >from survivors who now live in Israel. You could find
pictures ( pre war and recent) and much information on a site which I
created for Druya
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/druya/druya.html . Also there are
2 Yizkor books, some chapters translated and on line. The well known
big synagogue of Druya is also there. It is ready to become a museum
for the Jewish life of the shtetl if not for a few thousands needed to
fix it. Druya is located at the very north west corner of Belarus
bordering Lithuania and Latvia. Yuri Dorn helped us with the Visa
needed for Belarus and a very good driver/ guide who took us from
Druya To Polechek and waited with us until 2 in the morning. We
boarded the night train to Riga which was very inexpensive and good.

..love to include your family pictures and information in the site,
Thanks,
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Spam blocker and _Bausk and sassmaken_ #courland #latvia

Ella Barkan <elbarkan@...>
 

R. asked a question about Bausk and sassmaken, how do you expect an answer
if your spam blocker is so effective!

Ella Barkan
Tel-Aviv

Researching:
AVRECH, SABEL (SEBEL)-Retowo, Mazeik Lithuania / Liepaja, Riga Latvia /
Poland / USA/ Israel
BLUMENTHAL-Libau, Latvia/USA
JACOBSON-Libau (Liepaja), Riga, Jekabpils Latvia > Bronx NY 1906, New Jersey
US / Israel 1962
TROTIZ- Svenciany, Lithuania / Libau, Riga Latvia / Paris, France 1938
BARKAN - Latvia, USA, Argentina, Uruguay, Israel
SCHUSTER - Bausk, Uruguay


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Spam blocker and _Bausk and sassmaken_ #courland #latvia

Ella Barkan <elbarkan@...>
 

R. asked a question about Bausk and sassmaken, how do you expect an answer
if your spam blocker is so effective!

Ella Barkan
Tel-Aviv

Researching:
AVRECH, SABEL (SEBEL)-Retowo, Mazeik Lithuania / Liepaja, Riga Latvia /
Poland / USA/ Israel
BLUMENTHAL-Libau, Latvia/USA
JACOBSON-Libau (Liepaja), Riga, Jekabpils Latvia > Bronx NY 1906, New Jersey
US / Israel 1962
TROTIZ- Svenciany, Lithuania / Libau, Riga Latvia / Paris, France 1938
BARKAN - Latvia, USA, Argentina, Uruguay, Israel
SCHUSTER - Bausk, Uruguay


Re: Cape Town Cemeteries #southafrica

Eric Svirskis
 

I have noticed your correspondence with great interest,
Is there a list of graves for the Maitand Cemetery? I understand my ggf's
brother Ben-Zion (Benjamin) SWIRSKY is buried there. Some of our family is
spelled SVIRSKIS (like mine).

Thanks,
Eric Svirskis, Melbourne Australia.

Interested in: FLEXER, OKUN, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS/SWIRSKY, and I'm sure
I'll find more to add.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Newman [mailto:genserch@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2006 3:36 PM
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: Re: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries

the whole of Voortrekker Road >from Kensington to just before Goodwood was
designated in the 1930's as the Wolrad Woltemade cemeteries after the famous
act of bravery by that horseman. The Jewish cemetery on the right (not left)
is Gate 8, where all the early ''gedolim '' are buried, Liberman, Buirski,
Rev AP Bender, the famous Chidekel and the empty grave of Shalom Schwarzbard.
Fascinaing area, well worth a visit.
Gate 8 is always locked, but entrace is possible via the road off on the
right, Cremetorium Rd, then turn left over the rather pot-holed (in winter
very muddy road, you can take a small car right up the rows between the graves.
Some years ago, Paul and I recorded many graves in this area.

Regards
Richard

------------------
I just know that the whole ganse area is the Maitland cemetery. do not know
specifically which is Jewish.

Colin Plen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries

you are then referring to Gate 8 Woltemade on the left as you travel north

Richard Newman

---Original message---

in Maitland on Voortrekker Road. if you are in Maitland it is about 2
kilometres long - you cannot missit.
Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries


the woodstock/Salt river cemetery has been done (only 20-30 discernable
graves) where is the Maitland cemetery?

Richard N


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Cape Town Cemeteries #southafrica

Eric Svirskis
 

I have noticed your correspondence with great interest,
Is there a list of graves for the Maitand Cemetery? I understand my ggf's
brother Ben-Zion (Benjamin) SWIRSKY is buried there. Some of our family is
spelled SVIRSKIS (like mine).

Thanks,
Eric Svirskis, Melbourne Australia.

Interested in: FLEXER, OKUN, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS/SWIRSKY, and I'm sure
I'll find more to add.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Newman [mailto:genserch@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2006 3:36 PM
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: Re: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries

the whole of Voortrekker Road >from Kensington to just before Goodwood was
designated in the 1930's as the Wolrad Woltemade cemeteries after the famous
act of bravery by that horseman. The Jewish cemetery on the right (not left)
is Gate 8, where all the early ''gedolim '' are buried, Liberman, Buirski,
Rev AP Bender, the famous Chidekel and the empty grave of Shalom Schwarzbard.
Fascinaing area, well worth a visit.
Gate 8 is always locked, but entrace is possible via the road off on the
right, Cremetorium Rd, then turn left over the rather pot-holed (in winter
very muddy road, you can take a small car right up the rows between the graves.
Some years ago, Paul and I recorded many graves in this area.

Regards
Richard

------------------
I just know that the whole ganse area is the Maitland cemetery. do not know
specifically which is Jewish.

Colin Plen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries

you are then referring to Gate 8 Woltemade on the left as you travel north

Richard Newman

---Original message---

in Maitland on Voortrekker Road. if you are in Maitland it is about 2
kilometres long - you cannot missit.
Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries


the woodstock/Salt river cemetery has been done (only 20-30 discernable
graves) where is the Maitland cemetery?

Richard N


Re: Cape Town Cemeteries #southafrica

Stan Hart <stanhart@...>
 

When I was in Cape Town recently, I went to the "Maitland" cemetery located
in Voortrekker Road. The Jewish section is located at Gate number 8, which
is kept locked at all times. In fact the lock is so rusted it could never
be opened again.
Access to the Jewish section is via the main gate, turn left at the
crossroad and proceed for approximately 200 metres. There is a low hedge
and the graves are visible >from the road. The Jewish area is fenced off
between its neighbours on either side.

There is another Jewish cemetery a little further down Voortrekker road on
the opposite side of the road, which I believe is known as Woltemade. This
is not in great shape and many of the stones have been desecrated and the
place is not well kept at all.


Stan Hart

-----Original Message-----

Subject: Re: Cape Town Cemeteries
From: "Ev and Col Plen" <evancol@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:11:21 +0200

I just know that the whole ganse area is the Maitland cemetery. donot know
specifically which is Jewish.

Colin Plen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries


you are then referring to Gate 8 Woltemade on the left as you travel north

Richard Newman

---Original message---

in Maitland on Voortrekker Road. if you are in Maitland it is about 2
kilometres long - you cannot missit.
Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries


the woodstock/Salt river cemetery has been done (only 20-30 discernable
graves) where is the Maitland cemetery?

Richard N


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: Cape Town Cemeteries #southafrica

Stan Hart <stanhart@...>
 

When I was in Cape Town recently, I went to the "Maitland" cemetery located
in Voortrekker Road. The Jewish section is located at Gate number 8, which
is kept locked at all times. In fact the lock is so rusted it could never
be opened again.
Access to the Jewish section is via the main gate, turn left at the
crossroad and proceed for approximately 200 metres. There is a low hedge
and the graves are visible >from the road. The Jewish area is fenced off
between its neighbours on either side.

There is another Jewish cemetery a little further down Voortrekker road on
the opposite side of the road, which I believe is known as Woltemade. This
is not in great shape and many of the stones have been desecrated and the
place is not well kept at all.


Stan Hart

-----Original Message-----

Subject: Re: Cape Town Cemeteries
From: "Ev and Col Plen" <evancol@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:11:21 +0200

I just know that the whole ganse area is the Maitland cemetery. donot know
specifically which is Jewish.

Colin Plen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries


you are then referring to Gate 8 Woltemade on the left as you travel north

Richard Newman

---Original message---

in Maitland on Voortrekker Road. if you are in Maitland it is about 2
kilometres long - you cannot missit.
Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Newman" <genserch@msn.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: [safrica] Cape Town Cemeteries


the woodstock/Salt river cemetery has been done (only 20-30 discernable
graves) where is the Maitland cemetery?

Richard N


My turn to ask a favor #france

Fabien Vais <fabien.vais@...>
 

Hi,

After having read Jim Bennett's success in finding his cousin (see below), I
would like to ask people on this bulletin board for help in finding ANYTHING
about my grandparents. I don't know when or where they were born, or
anything at all on my paternal great-grandfather. So far, the last name
doesn't come up on any list I've seen.

My name is Fabien Vais. The actual family name is Vaïs (that's with two dots
on the "i"; I dropped this many years ago, but my brothers still write their
names like that). My father's first name was Charles, and my mother's name
is Jacqueline Dian. Both were born in Tunis. My father's father (my paternal
grandfather) was Angelo Vaïs. My father used to tell me that his mother,
Adele Eminente, was born in Livorno, but this has not been confirmed. She
died and was buried in Tunis, in Tunisia, where I was also born.

I learned later that my ancestors did come (at some point) >from Livorno, and
before that, >from Spain/Portugal, probably during the Spanish or Portuguese
Inquisitions.

I also found out (unconfirmed) the names of my great grandparents on my
paternal grandmother's side - in other words, Adele's parents: These were
Giacomo Eminente and Marianna Guttieres Pegna. I don't have any more info on
them.

Would anyone on this list know any of these names? I am a beginner at
genealogy, but it is a field that fascinates me more and more. Any help
would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Fabien Vais

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bennett
To: French SIG
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: [frenchsig] Lucien CALMAT [formerly KALMANOWICZ] found!


Your bulletin board works well! A week ago I put in a notice that I was
searching for a cousin, Lucien KALMANOWICZ, in Paris.

Oola! Jacques [Yoel] Salavize of Jerusalem and Paris saw my message, could
not find KALMANOWICZ in the Paris on-line directory, but then he tried the
reverse procedure and found that Lucien CALMAT was still living at the same
place as 15 years ago. Jacques phoned Lucien, went and visited with him and
did a great mitzvah of uniting two cousins.


French SIG #France My turn to ask a favor #france

Fabien Vais <fabien.vais@...>
 

Hi,

After having read Jim Bennett's success in finding his cousin (see below), I
would like to ask people on this bulletin board for help in finding ANYTHING
about my grandparents. I don't know when or where they were born, or
anything at all on my paternal great-grandfather. So far, the last name
doesn't come up on any list I've seen.

My name is Fabien Vais. The actual family name is Vaïs (that's with two dots
on the "i"; I dropped this many years ago, but my brothers still write their
names like that). My father's first name was Charles, and my mother's name
is Jacqueline Dian. Both were born in Tunis. My father's father (my paternal
grandfather) was Angelo Vaïs. My father used to tell me that his mother,
Adele Eminente, was born in Livorno, but this has not been confirmed. She
died and was buried in Tunis, in Tunisia, where I was also born.

I learned later that my ancestors did come (at some point) >from Livorno, and
before that, >from Spain/Portugal, probably during the Spanish or Portuguese
Inquisitions.

I also found out (unconfirmed) the names of my great grandparents on my
paternal grandmother's side - in other words, Adele's parents: These were
Giacomo Eminente and Marianna Guttieres Pegna. I don't have any more info on
them.

Would anyone on this list know any of these names? I am a beginner at
genealogy, but it is a field that fascinates me more and more. Any help
would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Fabien Vais

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bennett
To: French SIG
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: [frenchsig] Lucien CALMAT [formerly KALMANOWICZ] found!


Your bulletin board works well! A week ago I put in a notice that I was
searching for a cousin, Lucien KALMANOWICZ, in Paris.

Oola! Jacques [Yoel] Salavize of Jerusalem and Paris saw my message, could
not find KALMANOWICZ in the Paris on-line directory, but then he tried the
reverse procedure and found that Lucien CALMAT was still living at the same
place as 15 years ago. Jacques phoned Lucien, went and visited with him and
did a great mitzvah of uniting two cousins.


Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS International Conference #galicia

Gloria Berkenstat Freund glory1@...
 

The Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy will provide a wide range of electronic, print, microfilm, and
human resources to assist attendees with their research.

Computer services and databases will include....

* access to Ancestry.com, HeritageQuest census records, the New York
Times(1857­2000) and newspaper archives and Godfrey Library’s collection of
online databases

* U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Database - (three million records normally
available only at the Museum) and the Shoah Foundation’s Visual History
Archive search tool and testimony catalog

* Manhattan Brides Index (the data entered so far in the Genealogy
Federation of Long Island project to index 1,400,000 marriage licenses by
bride's name)

* Memorial Database of Jewish Soldiers, Partisans and Workers Killed in
Action during Nazism (a searchable database of Jews in the Russian army
killed and missing in action during WWII)

Among the 100-plus books and other print materials on hand will be...

* dozens of reference books on general and Jewish genealogy, Jewish and New
York history, immigration, translation, cemetery research, rabbinic
research, the Holocaust and a large collection of volumes on Jewish
Bialystok

* large scale insurance maps of New York's old Lower East Side and a
variety
of historical and modern maps of Europe

* the Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute Fact Sheets

* individual research projects

We are also delighted to offer...

* a large collection of microfilm of Jewish interest usually housed at the
Woodside (Queens) Family History Center - including the Hamburg Emigration
Lists - and 10 microfilm readers on which to view the them

Plus we welcome the participation in the Resource Room of...

* translators to interpret documents in Russian, Polish, Spanish, Hebrew,
Yiddish, and other languages

* representatives of Ancestry.com in the Resource Room to assist in using
that site and representatives of the Shoah Foundation, available for
consultation

Please check the Resource Room page on the Conference website
(www.jgsny2006.org/resource_room.cfm) for details, additional items, and
updates. If you have material to share, please contact us at
resources@jgsny2006.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th Annual IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair

glory1@RCN.COM


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS International Conference #galicia

Gloria Berkenstat Freund glory1@...
 

The Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy will provide a wide range of electronic, print, microfilm, and
human resources to assist attendees with their research.

Computer services and databases will include....

* access to Ancestry.com, HeritageQuest census records, the New York
Times(1857­2000) and newspaper archives and Godfrey Library’s collection of
online databases

* U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Database - (three million records normally
available only at the Museum) and the Shoah Foundation’s Visual History
Archive search tool and testimony catalog

* Manhattan Brides Index (the data entered so far in the Genealogy
Federation of Long Island project to index 1,400,000 marriage licenses by
bride's name)

* Memorial Database of Jewish Soldiers, Partisans and Workers Killed in
Action during Nazism (a searchable database of Jews in the Russian army
killed and missing in action during WWII)

Among the 100-plus books and other print materials on hand will be...

* dozens of reference books on general and Jewish genealogy, Jewish and New
York history, immigration, translation, cemetery research, rabbinic
research, the Holocaust and a large collection of volumes on Jewish
Bialystok

* large scale insurance maps of New York's old Lower East Side and a
variety
of historical and modern maps of Europe

* the Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute Fact Sheets

* individual research projects

We are also delighted to offer...

* a large collection of microfilm of Jewish interest usually housed at the
Woodside (Queens) Family History Center - including the Hamburg Emigration
Lists - and 10 microfilm readers on which to view the them

Plus we welcome the participation in the Resource Room of...

* translators to interpret documents in Russian, Polish, Spanish, Hebrew,
Yiddish, and other languages

* representatives of Ancestry.com in the Resource Room to assist in using
that site and representatives of the Shoah Foundation, available for
consultation

Please check the Resource Room page on the Conference website
(www.jgsny2006.org/resource_room.cfm) for details, additional items, and
updates. If you have material to share, please contact us at
resources@jgsny2006.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th Annual IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair

glory1@RCN.COM


Seekig Claire Shefftz #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

If anyone can contact Claire Shefftz or if Claire reads this email,
note I am unable to email you because of your Spam Blocker. You will
not be able to receive KRG emails unless you make some changes.

Alan Weiser
alanboy@starower.net
Silver Spring, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Seekig Claire Shefftz #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

If anyone can contact Claire Shefftz or if Claire reads this email,
note I am unable to email you because of your Spam Blocker. You will
not be able to receive KRG emails unless you make some changes.

Alan Weiser
alanboy@starower.net
Silver Spring, MD


Re: Wealthy in Hildesheim, Germany? #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 


Does anyone know how common it was for a Jewish family to have a maid in
19th century Germany? ....... I'd like to know if having household help
indicated wealth before I pay a researcher to study Wills and Court
Records in Hildesheim.

Elodee Gates
Boulder, Colorado

I don't know about Germany, but as for 19th-century British Jews, I
have frequently been astonished many times to see a servant (usually
with an Irish name) listed on the census entry for my own ancestral
families -- who seem otherwise to have been as poor as church mice
(if that's not mixing metaphors!). It would seem that as
impoverished as these Anglo-Dutch Jews were, the Irish were even
worse off, leading them to emigrate to London in order to find
employment -- which, for girls, mostly meant becoming a live-in maid
with a family that was not particularly well-heeled. These girls
worked for a pittance, but at least they got room and board and
avoided starvation.

Judith Romney Wegner.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Wealthy in Hildesheim, Germany? #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 


Does anyone know how common it was for a Jewish family to have a maid in
19th century Germany? ....... I'd like to know if having household help
indicated wealth before I pay a researcher to study Wills and Court
Records in Hildesheim.

Elodee Gates
Boulder, Colorado

I don't know about Germany, but as for 19th-century British Jews, I
have frequently been astonished many times to see a servant (usually
with an Irish name) listed on the census entry for my own ancestral
families -- who seem otherwise to have been as poor as church mice
(if that's not mixing metaphors!). It would seem that as
impoverished as these Anglo-Dutch Jews were, the Irish were even
worse off, leading them to emigrate to London in order to find
employment -- which, for girls, mostly meant becoming a live-in maid
with a family that was not particularly well-heeled. These girls
worked for a pittance, but at least they got room and board and
avoided starvation.

Judith Romney Wegner.


Re: Aviation inventor David SCHWARZ {not SCHWARTZ} #general

Nathan Sturman
 

Subject: David SCHWARZ, plus Karl ARNSTEIN (unrelated)
Celia Male wrote about her research on David SCHWARZ and his
descendents, in answer to my query.

Vera Schwarz is the same person refered to in that Japanese
book. I only guessed the spelling >from the katakana
transcription. In Japanese speech or writing, Vera and Bela are
indistinguishable. I sould have said "The first half of the 20th
Century" rather than "early in the Twentieth Century". Yes, the
book does say "before World War II". The surname SCHWARZ,
usually SCHWARZ David, last name first, Hungarian style, often
appears as Schwartz in books and articles published in the USA.
Schwarz is a continental (Eurpopean) spelling that is often
changed here to that variant. Same name, different orthography.
I am really awed by Celia's work and enjoyed Vera's materials,
as Celia says, a living link to David. A Hungarian Airmail
postage stamp in his honor was issued in the 1880s. His original
1887 idea of an all-aluminum aircraft, including the skin, at a
time when nobody knew quite how to utilize this new material,
had great implications for developments that followed, both the
Zeppelin airship and the all first aluminium airplanes that
appeared around 1917 in Germany, built by Junkers.
Another such pioneer with Jewish roots I am interested in
finding living links for was Karl ARNSTEIN, 1887-1974, whose
deaf Jewish parents had converted at the Catholic deaf school
where they had been taught. He was born and educated in Bohemia
and came to America in the 1920s as an engineer of the Zeppelin
firm, to be chief engineer of the Goodyear-Zeppelin venture at
Akron, Ohio. He designed and built the two giant
aircraft-carrying dirigibles Akron and Macon, then went on to
engineer the wartime mass production of the Corsair fighter
plane, and after the War, to work on high speed railway trains
and mass transit systems.
The Nazis tried and tried to lure ARNSTEIN back to Germany,
using his old friends but he stayed out of their trap. Any
surviving Jewish relations? An interesting question; is anybody
doing this?
Biography: "When Giants Roamed the Sky: Karl ARNSTEIN and the
Rise of Airships >from Zeppelin to Goodyear. By Dale Topping, ed.
by Eric Brothers. Akron, Ohio: University of Akron Press"
Karl Arnstein Papers and biographical outline, photos at
University of Akron:
http://www3.uakron.edu/archival/arnstein/arnstein.htm


Nathan STURMAN, researching STURMAN, KAISERMAN, BLACK, SCHWARTZ,
MARINOV, MOSS/MAAS; New York, Ontario, Philadelphia,
Podolia/Teplyk, Kiev/Uman, Odessa.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Aviation inventor David SCHWARZ {not SCHWARTZ} #general

Nathan Sturman
 

Subject: David SCHWARZ, plus Karl ARNSTEIN (unrelated)
Celia Male wrote about her research on David SCHWARZ and his
descendents, in answer to my query.

Vera Schwarz is the same person refered to in that Japanese
book. I only guessed the spelling >from the katakana
transcription. In Japanese speech or writing, Vera and Bela are
indistinguishable. I sould have said "The first half of the 20th
Century" rather than "early in the Twentieth Century". Yes, the
book does say "before World War II". The surname SCHWARZ,
usually SCHWARZ David, last name first, Hungarian style, often
appears as Schwartz in books and articles published in the USA.
Schwarz is a continental (Eurpopean) spelling that is often
changed here to that variant. Same name, different orthography.
I am really awed by Celia's work and enjoyed Vera's materials,
as Celia says, a living link to David. A Hungarian Airmail
postage stamp in his honor was issued in the 1880s. His original
1887 idea of an all-aluminum aircraft, including the skin, at a
time when nobody knew quite how to utilize this new material,
had great implications for developments that followed, both the
Zeppelin airship and the all first aluminium airplanes that
appeared around 1917 in Germany, built by Junkers.
Another such pioneer with Jewish roots I am interested in
finding living links for was Karl ARNSTEIN, 1887-1974, whose
deaf Jewish parents had converted at the Catholic deaf school
where they had been taught. He was born and educated in Bohemia
and came to America in the 1920s as an engineer of the Zeppelin
firm, to be chief engineer of the Goodyear-Zeppelin venture at
Akron, Ohio. He designed and built the two giant
aircraft-carrying dirigibles Akron and Macon, then went on to
engineer the wartime mass production of the Corsair fighter
plane, and after the War, to work on high speed railway trains
and mass transit systems.
The Nazis tried and tried to lure ARNSTEIN back to Germany,
using his old friends but he stayed out of their trap. Any
surviving Jewish relations? An interesting question; is anybody
doing this?
Biography: "When Giants Roamed the Sky: Karl ARNSTEIN and the
Rise of Airships >from Zeppelin to Goodyear. By Dale Topping, ed.
by Eric Brothers. Akron, Ohio: University of Akron Press"
Karl Arnstein Papers and biographical outline, photos at
University of Akron:
http://www3.uakron.edu/archival/arnstein/arnstein.htm


Nathan STURMAN, researching STURMAN, KAISERMAN, BLACK, SCHWARTZ,
MARINOV, MOSS/MAAS; New York, Ontario, Philadelphia,
Podolia/Teplyk, Kiev/Uman, Odessa.


Registry numbers for FOIA request form G-639: CORRECTION #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

In a previous posting, I said that sometimes Registry numbers are listed on
a soundex card as CR#. This is the certificate number and NOT the file
number. This merely indicates that there should be a file at the USCIS
which you can obtain by filing a FOIA request: *Never* put that number on the
FOIA request form as a file number or you will get "no record found" or the
wrong file.

I apologize if that was misleading.

That is not the USCIS File number; the file has a number beginning with "R-"
and it is rarely available. The original posting mentioned an Ellis Island
registry number, not the soundex card. The soundex reference was mine,
saying that is one way to know there will be a file to request.

When making the request for a Registry file, it is recommended that you
write on the form: "Send me the Registry file and/or the consolidated C-file
or A-file and all other records that relate".
Most Registry files were created between 1929 and 1944 for persons who
wished to file for naturalization but could not produce their arrival record
and they had to go through this process first. Many of the files were later
consolidated, but if you only request the naturalization file, the clerk
will not know to also look for the Registry file unless you mention it.

Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Registry numbers for FOIA request form G-639: CORRECTION #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

In a previous posting, I said that sometimes Registry numbers are listed on
a soundex card as CR#. This is the certificate number and NOT the file
number. This merely indicates that there should be a file at the USCIS
which you can obtain by filing a FOIA request: *Never* put that number on the
FOIA request form as a file number or you will get "no record found" or the
wrong file.

I apologize if that was misleading.

That is not the USCIS File number; the file has a number beginning with "R-"
and it is rarely available. The original posting mentioned an Ellis Island
registry number, not the soundex card. The soundex reference was mine,
saying that is one way to know there will be a file to request.

When making the request for a Registry file, it is recommended that you
write on the form: "Send me the Registry file and/or the consolidated C-file
or A-file and all other records that relate".
Most Registry files were created between 1929 and 1944 for persons who
wished to file for naturalization but could not produce their arrival record
and they had to go through this process first. Many of the files were later
consolidated, but if you only request the naturalization file, the clerk
will not know to also look for the Registry file unless you mention it.

Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL