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Re: Frustrating inability to find Romanian records #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Leslie,

Indeed, that is the case! As we have explained here many times the situation in
Romania is very difficult. You have had a very expert, honest and
knowledgeable researcher, who has explained the situation in great detail. As
he has told you, there is nothing further to be done until the more recent
records you seek are made available, and that is at the discretion of the
people at the state archives, who are often not very motivated in this regard!

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG
---------------------------------------
Leslie Weinberg wrote:


"I hired a researcher in Oradea to search for my grandmother's birth
certificate, as well as those of her siblings. I also wanted a copy
of one of her sister's marriage certificates, since I do not know the
married surname. He found a lot of birth records for me, including
several children we did not know about, who died within a month or
two. Since my grandmother was born in 1895, he was only able to get
the records through her birth and one other sibling, born in 1896.
There are two younger siblings, including the sister whose marriage I
am trying to find. He also has been unable to find a record of the
burial of my great-grandfather, who died before 1913.... "

Is there any source at all for getting this information? If a
professional researcher has no access, does that mean I have just hit
the proverbial brick wall? Leslie Weinberg


Russian converts to Judaism: Sabbotniki were not Jews #general

MBernet@...
 

Sabbotniki date >from the 1500s in Russia. Like the Seventh Day Adventists
in the USA, they observed the seventh day as Sabbath and distanced themselves
from some of the Christian practices of their neighbors. The authorities
treated them as heretics and often classified them as Jews subject to all the
anti-Jewish laws. They were widely persecuted.

The Jews did not accept them as Jews though a few reached out to them and
offered them Jewish teaching and guidance.

They were again a significant movement in the 19th century. They had many
Jewish supporters and sympathizers but few of them actually converted and were
accepted as Jews. Some of them made their way to the Holy Land as part of
Orthodox Christian pilgrimages, slipped away and joined Jewish farming
villages in Upper Galilee, where they eventually integrated among their
neighboring Jews.

The Jewish establishment in Palestine and in the early years of Israel
tended to accept Russian Sabbotniki warmly--though not as Jews. I have met a
number of them in the old "squatter" village outside the Nesher cement plant in
Kiryat Nesher, near Yagur (on the Haifa-Nazareth Road) and in Eilat in the late
1950s. They were not Jews and didn't desire to be thought of as Jews. I do
notthink they had any religious leadership or places of worship.

Much more can be found out about them in the Encyclopedia Judaica (not
online but obtainable as a very convenient CD-rom) in the section:
"JUDAIZERS." (I could not find them in the usually excellent index!).

What's clear is that they have no connection to Sato Mare or the Sotmarers.
I also doubt the story of a whole town of Russian peasants converting to
Judaism.

Michael Bernet, New York


Steve Morse One-Step for Tel Aviv Chevra Kadisha Online Death Records #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Steve Morse has just created a One-Step utility for the Tel Aviv Chevra Kadisha
online death records. Go to his One-Step home page at
http://www.stevemorse.org, scroll down to "Dealing with Characters in Foreign
Alphabets" toward the bottom of the page, and click on "Chevra Kadisha
(English)."

Joy Rich
Editor, Dorot: The Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society (New York


Nursery Rhyme from Lithuania #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

An aunt told me that she remembered the first line of a nursery rhyme that
her mother used to sing. She does not know what language it was in but the
first line transliterated goes "Hochmeyer grechaniki taki yeni krasny" Does
anyone recognise this?

Many thanks,

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


STRASHUN family from Lithuania passing through Antwerp #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

I would like to make contact with any descendants of the STRASHUN family
that went to the U.S. via Antwerp in the early 1900's >from Lithuania.

Thank you,

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


Re: GURVITZ and HOROVITZ #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 4/22/2006 e-jbonkes@... writes:

< I am looking for relatives of a Joseph GURVITZ, and family who was
living at 4156 W Grenshaw Street Chicago IL in the 1930s.

==Russia has no H sound and substitutes the letter G for H. Many Gurwitz
were originally Horowitz (various spelling variations). The leading Horowitz
family originated in the small town of Horovice in Bohemia.and were Levites.
Some used the surname Ish-Horowitz.

==Not all GURVITZ or HOROVITZ families, however, are descended >from this one.

In Israel, some Gurvitzs took the names GUR or GUR ARYEH

Michael Bernet, New York


Researcher in Antwerp #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

Can anyone recommend a researcher in Antwerp?

Many thanks,

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Frustrating inability to find Romanian records #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Leslie,

Indeed, that is the case! As we have explained here many times the situation in
Romania is very difficult. You have had a very expert, honest and
knowledgeable researcher, who has explained the situation in great detail. As
he has told you, there is nothing further to be done until the more recent
records you seek are made available, and that is at the discretion of the
people at the state archives, who are often not very motivated in this regard!

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG
---------------------------------------
Leslie Weinberg wrote:


"I hired a researcher in Oradea to search for my grandmother's birth
certificate, as well as those of her siblings. I also wanted a copy
of one of her sister's marriage certificates, since I do not know the
married surname. He found a lot of birth records for me, including
several children we did not know about, who died within a month or
two. Since my grandmother was born in 1895, he was only able to get
the records through her birth and one other sibling, born in 1896.
There are two younger siblings, including the sister whose marriage I
am trying to find. He also has been unable to find a record of the
burial of my great-grandfather, who died before 1913.... "

Is there any source at all for getting this information? If a
professional researcher has no access, does that mean I have just hit
the proverbial brick wall? Leslie Weinberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian converts to Judaism: Sabbotniki were not Jews #general

MBernet@...
 

Sabbotniki date >from the 1500s in Russia. Like the Seventh Day Adventists
in the USA, they observed the seventh day as Sabbath and distanced themselves
from some of the Christian practices of their neighbors. The authorities
treated them as heretics and often classified them as Jews subject to all the
anti-Jewish laws. They were widely persecuted.

The Jews did not accept them as Jews though a few reached out to them and
offered them Jewish teaching and guidance.

They were again a significant movement in the 19th century. They had many
Jewish supporters and sympathizers but few of them actually converted and were
accepted as Jews. Some of them made their way to the Holy Land as part of
Orthodox Christian pilgrimages, slipped away and joined Jewish farming
villages in Upper Galilee, where they eventually integrated among their
neighboring Jews.

The Jewish establishment in Palestine and in the early years of Israel
tended to accept Russian Sabbotniki warmly--though not as Jews. I have met a
number of them in the old "squatter" village outside the Nesher cement plant in
Kiryat Nesher, near Yagur (on the Haifa-Nazareth Road) and in Eilat in the late
1950s. They were not Jews and didn't desire to be thought of as Jews. I do
notthink they had any religious leadership or places of worship.

Much more can be found out about them in the Encyclopedia Judaica (not
online but obtainable as a very convenient CD-rom) in the section:
"JUDAIZERS." (I could not find them in the usually excellent index!).

What's clear is that they have no connection to Sato Mare or the Sotmarers.
I also doubt the story of a whole town of Russian peasants converting to
Judaism.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Steve Morse One-Step for Tel Aviv Chevra Kadisha Online Death Records #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Steve Morse has just created a One-Step utility for the Tel Aviv Chevra Kadisha
online death records. Go to his One-Step home page at
http://www.stevemorse.org, scroll down to "Dealing with Characters in Foreign
Alphabets" toward the bottom of the page, and click on "Chevra Kadisha
(English)."

Joy Rich
Editor, Dorot: The Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society (New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nursery Rhyme from Lithuania #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

An aunt told me that she remembered the first line of a nursery rhyme that
her mother used to sing. She does not know what language it was in but the
first line transliterated goes "Hochmeyer grechaniki taki yeni krasny" Does
anyone recognise this?

Many thanks,

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen STRASHUN family from Lithuania passing through Antwerp #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

I would like to make contact with any descendants of the STRASHUN family
that went to the U.S. via Antwerp in the early 1900's >from Lithuania.

Thank you,

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: GURVITZ and HOROVITZ #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 4/22/2006 e-jbonkes@... writes:

< I am looking for relatives of a Joseph GURVITZ, and family who was
living at 4156 W Grenshaw Street Chicago IL in the 1930s.

==Russia has no H sound and substitutes the letter G for H. Many Gurwitz
were originally Horowitz (various spelling variations). The leading Horowitz
family originated in the small town of Horovice in Bohemia.and were Levites.
Some used the surname Ish-Horowitz.

==Not all GURVITZ or HOROVITZ families, however, are descended >from this one.

In Israel, some Gurvitzs took the names GUR or GUR ARYEH

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researcher in Antwerp #general

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

Can anyone recommend a researcher in Antwerp?

Many thanks,

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


Re: Sloboda and Slobodka #belarus

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 4/22/06, Margotfox@... <Margotfox@...> wrote:

My grandmother, Mary Simon WELLIKOFF, who was born about 1878,
reported to the 1930 US census that she came >from Vilna. In her 1938
autobiography, she wrote that her parents came >from a small village
called Slobodey (maybe Sloboda). village to a nearby village called
'Der Revne'. There they rented a kretchma (an inn)".
Dear margot,
Since your grandmother reported that she came >from Vilna in the 1930
census it must be Slobodka in the Vilna region. Most likely it is
Slobodka in the Braslaw district. This week I submitted the
translation ( by Guy Elizur) of the Slobodka chapter of the Yizkor
book for the Braslaw district to the Yizkor book project;
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Braslaw/Braslaw.html
To check the spellings of some of the names I used the Yad vashem
site. I put only ;Slobodka Vilna and most reports ( out of about 200)
were;
Town SLOBODKA District BRASLAW Region WILNO Country POLAND
When I put Slobodka Poland there were about 300 reports some of
SLOBODKA LESNA District KOLOMYJA District STANISLAWOW . No reports
could be found for Revne other then a place in the Ukraine ( if you
google the name) Ukraine also has Slobodkas but they wold not be in
the Vilna area.
Good luck in finding more information and if it turns to be Braslaw
district please let me post a picture of your grandmother on the
Braslaw site,
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/braslav/braslav.html
For some information and recent pictures of Slobodka in the Braslaw
district in Belarus go to http://belarus.ecotour.by/e_hslobod.html
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Sloboda and Slobodka #belarus

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 4/22/06, Margotfox@... <Margotfox@...> wrote:

My grandmother, Mary Simon WELLIKOFF, who was born about 1878,
reported to the 1930 US census that she came >from Vilna. In her 1938
autobiography, she wrote that her parents came >from a small village
called Slobodey (maybe Sloboda). village to a nearby village called
'Der Revne'. There they rented a kretchma (an inn)".
Dear margot,
Since your grandmother reported that she came >from Vilna in the 1930
census it must be Slobodka in the Vilna region. Most likely it is
Slobodka in the Braslaw district. This week I submitted the
translation ( by Guy Elizur) of the Slobodka chapter of the Yizkor
book for the Braslaw district to the Yizkor book project;
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Braslaw/Braslaw.html
To check the spellings of some of the names I used the Yad vashem
site. I put only ;Slobodka Vilna and most reports ( out of about 200)
were;
Town SLOBODKA District BRASLAW Region WILNO Country POLAND
When I put Slobodka Poland there were about 300 reports some of
SLOBODKA LESNA District KOLOMYJA District STANISLAWOW . No reports
could be found for Revne other then a place in the Ukraine ( if you
google the name) Ukraine also has Slobodkas but they wold not be in
the Vilna area.
Good luck in finding more information and if it turns to be Braslaw
district please let me post a picture of your grandmother on the
Braslaw site,
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/braslav/braslav.html
For some information and recent pictures of Slobodka in the Braslaw
district in Belarus go to http://belarus.ecotour.by/e_hslobod.html
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Photographer "LEWINMAN" in Gomel #belarus

Kenneth H. Ryesky, Esq. <khresq@...>
 

I have found an old photograph by a photographer named A. Lewinman
who had an establishment in Gomel. He apparently received some sort
of gold medal at some sort of competition in Paris in 1905, possibly
Salon de Paris.

Does anyone have any information on this photographer Lewinman (dates
when he was in business, location in Gomel, did he emigrate, et cetera?)?


-- Ken Ryesky
East Northport, NY, USA

Researching for REISKY/RAISKY, SKOLNICK/SHKOLNIK/SHKOLNIKOV and
ARONOV in Gomel;
GERTZOG in Yelizavetgrad;
ADLER, ARSHENOV and ISRAELSON in Yevpatoria & Sevastopol.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Photographer "LEWINMAN" in Gomel #belarus

Kenneth H. Ryesky, Esq. <khresq@...>
 

I have found an old photograph by a photographer named A. Lewinman
who had an establishment in Gomel. He apparently received some sort
of gold medal at some sort of competition in Paris in 1905, possibly
Salon de Paris.

Does anyone have any information on this photographer Lewinman (dates
when he was in business, location in Gomel, did he emigrate, et cetera?)?


-- Ken Ryesky
East Northport, NY, USA

Researching for REISKY/RAISKY, SKOLNICK/SHKOLNIK/SHKOLNIKOV and
ARONOV in Gomel;
GERTZOG in Yelizavetgrad;
ADLER, ARSHENOV and ISRAELSON in Yevpatoria & Sevastopol.


JACOBS and MINTZ families #general

Elka Pinson <elkaleah@...>
 

I am seeking any contacts/information about the Rheim Ahavas Anshe Prussine
Burial Society, more specifically related to the JACOBS and MINTZ families
(burials in Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn, 1960's -1970's).
Elka (Jacobs )Pinson
Brooklyn NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JACOBS and MINTZ families #general

Elka Pinson <elkaleah@...>
 

I am seeking any contacts/information about the Rheim Ahavas Anshe Prussine
Burial Society, more specifically related to the JACOBS and MINTZ families
(burials in Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn, 1960's -1970's).
Elka (Jacobs )Pinson
Brooklyn NY