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Going to Ruzhin #ukraine

David & Monique Gordon <dmgordonnj@...>
 

I am to visit Ruzhin in May. Possible other stops: Bela Tserkov &
Berdichev.

Does anyone have any personal info on what I should be looking for, of
Jewish value in Ruzhin, today? Any tips??

PLEASE REPLY PRIVATELY TO: dmgordonnj@...

All the best
David Gordon

GRODINSKY/GORDON/GRODY >from Leonovicze & Jalowka, Grodno Gubernia
KAPLINSKY >from Grodno Gubernia; PARANSKY and HECHT >from Ruzhin
KUTSOVSKY/KATZOWSKY >from Peryaslav; SACHAROV/SACHAROW >from Poltava
COOPER/COOPPER >from Poland; GOLDENBERG/GOLDBERG >from Iasi, Romania
GELTZER >from Iasi Romania; ROSENWASSER and ROSENBERG >from Ukraine
TOLCHINSKY >from Poland and Ukraine
LAYANI/CHICHE/PARTOUCHE/BEN-TATA/CHICHPORTICHE/AKOUN/SELLEM from
Algeria


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Going to Ruzhin #ukraine

David & Monique Gordon <dmgordonnj@...>
 

I am to visit Ruzhin in May. Possible other stops: Bela Tserkov &
Berdichev.

Does anyone have any personal info on what I should be looking for, of
Jewish value in Ruzhin, today? Any tips??

PLEASE REPLY PRIVATELY TO: dmgordonnj@...

All the best
David Gordon

GRODINSKY/GORDON/GRODY >from Leonovicze & Jalowka, Grodno Gubernia
KAPLINSKY >from Grodno Gubernia; PARANSKY and HECHT >from Ruzhin
KUTSOVSKY/KATZOWSKY >from Peryaslav; SACHAROV/SACHAROW >from Poltava
COOPER/COOPPER >from Poland; GOLDENBERG/GOLDBERG >from Iasi, Romania
GELTZER >from Iasi Romania; ROSENWASSER and ROSENBERG >from Ukraine
TOLCHINSKY >from Poland and Ukraine
LAYANI/CHICHE/PARTOUCHE/BEN-TATA/CHICHPORTICHE/AKOUN/SELLEM from
Algeria


Re: BONDI, translation of YOM TOV (also Suesslein Alexander Jekusiel ) #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

In a message dated 4/20/2006 nbonomi@... writes:

In the past centuries this surname, very frequent among the Sfardim, was
written Bondi (with the accent on the last letter).
With this spelling Bon-di is a verbatim translation of Yom Tov.
I don't think Sandro Bondi knows or care about this origin of his
surname.

Yes, I know, I mentioned that in my original posting, and I did not expect
Sandro Bondi to have nibbled on matzah for all of last week. But I was
wondering whether there are Jewish Bondi families in Italy, and ultimately
whether these Italian Bondis are generally assumed to descend >from Jewish
YomTov.
In a family-tree including the name JONTOF-HUTTER >from Prague which contains
the name Jontof/Jontov
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/PS01/PS01_014.HTM there is
a comment that the frequent Prague name of Bondi is supposed to be a
Spanish/Portuguese version of Yomtov.

There is apparently a connection between the family and Rabbi Yomtov Lippman
Heller (1579-1654) who became Chief Rabbi of Bohemia.

I discovered in my researches that he was born in Wallerstein in Franconia
in Southern Germany, which is where my family came from.

My family didn't arrive in Wallerstein till about 1700.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BONDI, translation of YOM TOV (also Suesslein Alexander Jekusiel ) #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

In a message dated 4/20/2006 nbonomi@... writes:

In the past centuries this surname, very frequent among the Sfardim, was
written Bondi (with the accent on the last letter).
With this spelling Bon-di is a verbatim translation of Yom Tov.
I don't think Sandro Bondi knows or care about this origin of his
surname.

Yes, I know, I mentioned that in my original posting, and I did not expect
Sandro Bondi to have nibbled on matzah for all of last week. But I was
wondering whether there are Jewish Bondi families in Italy, and ultimately
whether these Italian Bondis are generally assumed to descend >from Jewish
YomTov.
In a family-tree including the name JONTOF-HUTTER >from Prague which contains
the name Jontof/Jontov
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/PS01/PS01_014.HTM there is
a comment that the frequent Prague name of Bondi is supposed to be a
Spanish/Portuguese version of Yomtov.

There is apparently a connection between the family and Rabbi Yomtov Lippman
Heller (1579-1654) who became Chief Rabbi of Bohemia.

I discovered in my researches that he was born in Wallerstein in Franconia
in Southern Germany, which is where my family came from.

My family didn't arrive in Wallerstein till about 1700.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Dr. Herzfeld in Vienna #austria-czech

Joseph Hirschfield
 

A "Dr. Herzfeld" performed a bris on a cousin in 1893 in Vienna.
Dr.Herzfeld in listed in other birth records as well. Does anyone
have any information on Dr. Herzfeld? This cousins mother's maiden name
was Hirschfeld and I was wondering if the Dr. was a relative or the
name was just a coincidence.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI
HIRSCHFELD, LINDBAUM, BUCHSBAUM -Skwarzawa, Glinyany,
Sielec Bienkow, GALICIA
MINOWITZSKI, TOBIASZ -Brest-Litovsk, BELARUS


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Dr. Herzfeld in Vienna #austria-czech

Joseph Hirschfield
 

A "Dr. Herzfeld" performed a bris on a cousin in 1893 in Vienna.
Dr.Herzfeld in listed in other birth records as well. Does anyone
have any information on Dr. Herzfeld? This cousins mother's maiden name
was Hirschfeld and I was wondering if the Dr. was a relative or the
name was just a coincidence.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI
HIRSCHFELD, LINDBAUM, BUCHSBAUM -Skwarzawa, Glinyany,
Sielec Bienkow, GALICIA
MINOWITZSKI, TOBIASZ -Brest-Litovsk, BELARUS


Salomon BORG {Triesch} marries Magdalena SINGER, 1857 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

If you are related to Salmon BORG >from Triesch/Trest
[Trieschet] in Moravia or Magdalena SINGER, daughter
of H.H SINGER, a resident of Vienna, you would be very
interested in a document being auctioned on a
well-known auction site on 23 April 19.00 BST [source
Austria, probably Vienna].

The document is signed and sealed in Triesch -
16 June 1857 by the local rabbi of Triesch, Joseph
FRANKFURTER. The letter is addressed to Isaak Noah
MANNHEIMER of Vienna - to read about the famous
MANNHEIMER, Jewish preacher; born at Copenhagen Oct.
17, 1793; died at Vienna March 17, 1865 see

http://tinyurl.com/kexp7

One day I want to get to the source of this pile of
"permissions to marry" which appear on the auction
site - where could they have come from? We can
speculate that they were perhaps stored at the IKG
.... and then?

Once again thanks to Sigger Eric Elias for alerting me
to this item.

I have located this grave in Vienna which appears to
match the young couple above:

Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 5b 13 36

BORG Salomon age 75 - 11.10.1901 13.10.1901
BORG Marie age 74 - 15.08.1910 17.08.1910
SINGER Regine age 73 - 08.02.1885
BORG Leopold - 03.01.1919 05.01.1919

Nb Regine must be the mother of Marie so possibly we
have a grave here with early links to Moravia.

Possible but doubtful {found in the same grave, using
a reverse search with grave no only]

LOW [umlaut] Eduard age 73 - 15.10.1917 18.10.1937
LOW [umlaut] Henriette age 59 26.07.1904

I am not sure if the LOW couple is really buried in
the grave with BORG and SINGER - it is most probably a
computer error as group 5b is very complex and these
discrepancies frequently appear on the database with a
reverse search. Group 5b is segmented into various
areas - and the graves and their occupants in these
areas cannot readily be distinguished and identified
by a computer search.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote:

1. The direct url to this auction site is not given
because of prevailing Jewishgen rules. I will be happy
to send it to you, if you are interested. There is
hardly anytime to spare though.

2. I would like to contact Mark Tritsch who appears on
a *Triesch* search in the archives. Please has anyone
got his correct email address?


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Salomon BORG {Triesch} marries Magdalena SINGER, 1857 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

If you are related to Salmon BORG >from Triesch/Trest
[Trieschet] in Moravia or Magdalena SINGER, daughter
of H.H SINGER, a resident of Vienna, you would be very
interested in a document being auctioned on a
well-known auction site on 23 April 19.00 BST [source
Austria, probably Vienna].

The document is signed and sealed in Triesch -
16 June 1857 by the local rabbi of Triesch, Joseph
FRANKFURTER. The letter is addressed to Isaak Noah
MANNHEIMER of Vienna - to read about the famous
MANNHEIMER, Jewish preacher; born at Copenhagen Oct.
17, 1793; died at Vienna March 17, 1865 see

http://tinyurl.com/kexp7

One day I want to get to the source of this pile of
"permissions to marry" which appear on the auction
site - where could they have come from? We can
speculate that they were perhaps stored at the IKG
.... and then?

Once again thanks to Sigger Eric Elias for alerting me
to this item.

I have located this grave in Vienna which appears to
match the young couple above:

Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 5b 13 36

BORG Salomon age 75 - 11.10.1901 13.10.1901
BORG Marie age 74 - 15.08.1910 17.08.1910
SINGER Regine age 73 - 08.02.1885
BORG Leopold - 03.01.1919 05.01.1919

Nb Regine must be the mother of Marie so possibly we
have a grave here with early links to Moravia.

Possible but doubtful {found in the same grave, using
a reverse search with grave no only]

LOW [umlaut] Eduard age 73 - 15.10.1917 18.10.1937
LOW [umlaut] Henriette age 59 26.07.1904

I am not sure if the LOW couple is really buried in
the grave with BORG and SINGER - it is most probably a
computer error as group 5b is very complex and these
discrepancies frequently appear on the database with a
reverse search. Group 5b is segmented into various
areas - and the graves and their occupants in these
areas cannot readily be distinguished and identified
by a computer search.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote:

1. The direct url to this auction site is not given
because of prevailing Jewishgen rules. I will be happy
to send it to you, if you are interested. There is
hardly anytime to spare though.

2. I would like to contact Mark Tritsch who appears on
a *Triesch* search in the archives. Please has anyone
got his correct email address?


Re: vital records from Israel/Palestine #general

russ <russ@...>
 

I want to thank everyone who responded to my query. I tried to reply to all of
them with an individual thank you. If I missed you. I am sorry and please accept
this public thank you. Some of the thank you emails were returned as
undeliverable, so please accept this public thank you as well.

russ wrote:

I have searched the discussion list archives and have seen this question
asked numerous times yet there semms to not be any responses. Perhaps I
missed them. Anyway, my great-grandfather's brother left the US for
Palestine in the late 1930's. We know that he died there. What
agency/organization etc... would have records of his death? Thank you in
advance.

R. Byer
researching: BAER/BAYER/BYER Kaunus, Lith to Maine, US.
---
Sender: russ <russ@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: vital records from Israel/Palestine #general

russ <russ@...>
 

I want to thank everyone who responded to my query. I tried to reply to all of
them with an individual thank you. If I missed you. I am sorry and please accept
this public thank you. Some of the thank you emails were returned as
undeliverable, so please accept this public thank you as well.

russ wrote:

I have searched the discussion list archives and have seen this question
asked numerous times yet there semms to not be any responses. Perhaps I
missed them. Anyway, my great-grandfather's brother left the US for
Palestine in the late 1930's. We know that he died there. What
agency/organization etc... would have records of his death? Thank you in
advance.

R. Byer
researching: BAER/BAYER/BYER Kaunus, Lith to Maine, US.
---
Sender: russ <russ@...>


Re: Isidore as a "Sephardi" name? And Oestreicher as an Austrian name #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 4/21/2006 nanophotonic@... writes:
"Nicky with a middle name like Isidore could your Great-Grandfather
have had Sephardic ancestry as well? "

==Here's the "Sephardi" connection: The name is Greek. It means Gift of
[the Egyprian god] Isis.
==Isidore is a common 19th century name assumed by Ashkenazis in Germanic
countries in Europe. Generally it was used for Isaac or Israel. It became so
much a Jewish name that it became a stock name in jokes, cartoons and stories
for a generic Jew, like Hymie in the USA

" Also do you know whether he was born in Imperial Germany or Austria?
Since OESTERREICHER is really the German name for "Austrian"? "

==When a Jew moved to a new town or country, his Jewish neighbors would
generally tag on their name the town or country of their origin; many eventually
adopted this geographic tag as the family name.

==In Austria, of course, everyone was an Oestreicher, so the name had no
significance and just about the only Jews with that name were people whose
ancestors had moved away >from Austria at some point. You'd find Oestreichers in
Germany, Switzerland, Romania, Belgium . . . but you might have to search hard
to find one in Austria

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Any responses by private email, please.


German SIG #Germany Re: Isidore as a "Sephardi" name? And Oestreicher as an Austrian name #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 4/21/2006 nanophotonic@... writes:
"Nicky with a middle name like Isidore could your Great-Grandfather
have had Sephardic ancestry as well? "

==Here's the "Sephardi" connection: The name is Greek. It means Gift of
[the Egyprian god] Isis.
==Isidore is a common 19th century name assumed by Ashkenazis in Germanic
countries in Europe. Generally it was used for Isaac or Israel. It became so
much a Jewish name that it became a stock name in jokes, cartoons and stories
for a generic Jew, like Hymie in the USA

" Also do you know whether he was born in Imperial Germany or Austria?
Since OESTERREICHER is really the German name for "Austrian"? "

==When a Jew moved to a new town or country, his Jewish neighbors would
generally tag on their name the town or country of their origin; many eventually
adopted this geographic tag as the family name.

==In Austria, of course, everyone was an Oestreicher, so the name had no
significance and just about the only Jews with that name were people whose
ancestors had moved away >from Austria at some point. You'd find Oestreichers in
Germany, Switzerland, Romania, Belgium . . . but you might have to search hard
to find one in Austria

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Any responses by private email, please.


Re: Entire Russian town converting to Judaism--not the Sotmarers for sure? #general

Stelucia@...
 

MBernet@... wrote:

I had never heard of the Mujik origin. In fact, I know a number of
Sotmarers who are Kohanim, so that story may not be entirely true. Satu Mare is
in an area of Ruthenis over which Romanians and Hungarians have been fighting
for some centuries. The Sotmarers I know all speak Hungarian, and Hungarian
Yiddish; I don't think they identify as Romanian. Their opponents sometimes
slander them by saying they are named after St. Mary, but a rare Romanian
speaker told me some time ago it mean something like "upper town" or "lower
town."

It would not surprise me to learn that the Mujik story is untrue and has
been maliciously spread by opponents of the Sotmarers to account for some of
the hostility that surrounds them.
They don't identify themselves as Romanian because all Jews of Transylvania and
Maramures were Hungarian speakers. Satu Mare means "the big village".


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Entire Russian town converting to Judaism--not the Sotmarers for sure? #general

Stelucia@...
 

MBernet@... wrote:

I had never heard of the Mujik origin. In fact, I know a number of
Sotmarers who are Kohanim, so that story may not be entirely true. Satu Mare is
in an area of Ruthenis over which Romanians and Hungarians have been fighting
for some centuries. The Sotmarers I know all speak Hungarian, and Hungarian
Yiddish; I don't think they identify as Romanian. Their opponents sometimes
slander them by saying they are named after St. Mary, but a rare Romanian
speaker told me some time ago it mean something like "upper town" or "lower
town."

It would not surprise me to learn that the Mujik story is untrue and has
been maliciously spread by opponents of the Sotmarers to account for some of
the hostility that surrounds them.
They don't identify themselves as Romanian because all Jews of Transylvania and
Maramures were Hungarian speakers. Satu Mare means "the big village".


Re: BONDI as a translation of YOM TOV (in Italy)? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

We recently had a short posting about August BONDI, the famous Jewish
abolitionist. The posting >from Linda Shefler on April 3rd 2006, highlighted
August's birth in Vienna on July 21 1831 [see footnote].

This is a convenient time to marry up Linda's posting with Michael Bernet's
query on Italian BONDI families.

Although August was indeed born in Vienna, his father and most probably his
mother too, came >from Prague, the home of many famous BONDI families. His father
must have been a Tolerierte Jude in Vienna, as Jews were not allowed to reside
in the city before 1848 or thereabouts. August's parents were Naftali-Hertz BONDI
[cotton goods manufacturer] and Marta FRANKL-BONDI. The fact his father was >from
Prague is noted on the birth register in Vienna.

Here you can read far more about BONDI:

http://www.jewishcurrents.org/2004-mar-stillman.htm

BONDI wrote an autobiography in 1903 and this is what he says about the origins
of his family name:

According to family tradition, an ancestor, Yom-tov LANDSHRAYBER who lived in
Prague in the 16th century, made a trip to Italy, where he changed his name to
BONDI, the Italian translation of his Hebrew name Yom-tov — both names meaning
"good day."

Please note, the family name JONTOFF still exists today and is most probably a
corruption of YOM TOV; they never changed to BONDI! See this grave in Vienna:

Jontoff-Hutter Auguste aged 72 died 4.02.1930
Zentralfriedhof Gate 4 Group 11 Row 5 Grave 6

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote:
Posting called "Article About BONDI Born Vienna, Austria 1833"

The Wichita Eagle has an interesting article about BONDI; a Jewish freedom
fighter and abolitionist who fought alongside John Brown during Kansas'
territorial years. For those who are researching the BONDI family [who emigrated
from Vienna to the US about 1848], and those who are just plain interested, here
is the link:

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/14248731.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: BONDI as a translation of YOM TOV (in Italy)? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

We recently had a short posting about August BONDI, the famous Jewish
abolitionist. The posting >from Linda Shefler on April 3rd 2006, highlighted
August's birth in Vienna on July 21 1831 [see footnote].

This is a convenient time to marry up Linda's posting with Michael Bernet's
query on Italian BONDI families.

Although August was indeed born in Vienna, his father and most probably his
mother too, came >from Prague, the home of many famous BONDI families. His father
must have been a Tolerierte Jude in Vienna, as Jews were not allowed to reside
in the city before 1848 or thereabouts. August's parents were Naftali-Hertz BONDI
[cotton goods manufacturer] and Marta FRANKL-BONDI. The fact his father was >from
Prague is noted on the birth register in Vienna.

Here you can read far more about BONDI:

http://www.jewishcurrents.org/2004-mar-stillman.htm

BONDI wrote an autobiography in 1903 and this is what he says about the origins
of his family name:

According to family tradition, an ancestor, Yom-tov LANDSHRAYBER who lived in
Prague in the 16th century, made a trip to Italy, where he changed his name to
BONDI, the Italian translation of his Hebrew name Yom-tov — both names meaning
"good day."

Please note, the family name JONTOFF still exists today and is most probably a
corruption of YOM TOV; they never changed to BONDI! See this grave in Vienna:

Jontoff-Hutter Auguste aged 72 died 4.02.1930
Zentralfriedhof Gate 4 Group 11 Row 5 Grave 6

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote:
Posting called "Article About BONDI Born Vienna, Austria 1833"

The Wichita Eagle has an interesting article about BONDI; a Jewish freedom
fighter and abolitionist who fought alongside John Brown during Kansas'
territorial years. For those who are researching the BONDI family [who emigrated
from Vienna to the US about 1848], and those who are just plain interested, here
is the link:

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/14248731.htm


FW: information concerning family of Harry KAPLAN from South Africa #general

Adrian Freedman <adrianf@...>
 

Dear researchers:

My maternal grandfather Harry KAPLAN (in Hebrew: Hirsh bar Yaakov haCohen)
came to South Africa in approx. 1900-1903 (perhaps a little earlier). He lived
on Benoni near Johannesburg. He was born about 1872 and died in 1966. He came
from Kursenai in Lithuania. He always mentioned a brother ("red headed") who
emigrated about the same time? to the USA.

In the Ellis Island records, I found records of 3 Kaplans whose origin is
Cherson

1-Shmuel KAPLAN. Date of birth (DOB) about 1871 a contact address was
given: W Socolowsky/Soeslansky 317E 74h St NY .Occupation ?milliner port
of departure Southampton Date of arrival(DOA) 1st October 1904.

2-Zalman KAPLAN. DOB abt.1884. via Hamburg DOA 25th Nov 1904. Contact
address Yosef Volopenalski 40 Ludlow St NY Occupation printer/painter?

3-Itzko KAPLAN (ben Yaakov) DOA 24th June 1907 via Glasgow. DOB about 1877
Contact address S Miller 354 Bond St Elizabeth port NJ.

I would be grateful if any one can supply further information of the above
mentioned, or perhaps if these criteria fit other Kaplans information to
pass this on to me or to advise me how to conduct other searches.

Please write "about Harry Kaplan" in the subject line as unfortunately I am
the recipient of a large amount of junk mail

Adrian Freedman
Raanana, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FW: information concerning family of Harry KAPLAN from South Africa #general

Adrian Freedman <adrianf@...>
 

Dear researchers:

My maternal grandfather Harry KAPLAN (in Hebrew: Hirsh bar Yaakov haCohen)
came to South Africa in approx. 1900-1903 (perhaps a little earlier). He lived
on Benoni near Johannesburg. He was born about 1872 and died in 1966. He came
from Kursenai in Lithuania. He always mentioned a brother ("red headed") who
emigrated about the same time? to the USA.

In the Ellis Island records, I found records of 3 Kaplans whose origin is
Cherson

1-Shmuel KAPLAN. Date of birth (DOB) about 1871 a contact address was
given: W Socolowsky/Soeslansky 317E 74h St NY .Occupation ?milliner port
of departure Southampton Date of arrival(DOA) 1st October 1904.

2-Zalman KAPLAN. DOB abt.1884. via Hamburg DOA 25th Nov 1904. Contact
address Yosef Volopenalski 40 Ludlow St NY Occupation printer/painter?

3-Itzko KAPLAN (ben Yaakov) DOA 24th June 1907 via Glasgow. DOB about 1877
Contact address S Miller 354 Bond St Elizabeth port NJ.

I would be grateful if any one can supply further information of the above
mentioned, or perhaps if these criteria fit other Kaplans information to
pass this on to me or to advise me how to conduct other searches.

Please write "about Harry Kaplan" in the subject line as unfortunately I am
the recipient of a large amount of junk mail

Adrian Freedman
Raanana, Israel


Re: Jewish Tradition an First Names #general

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Mark

There are a couple of Jewish traditions about naming children after the
living/dead.

The Ashkenazi tradition is to name after a recently deceased ancestor. You will
therefore find names repeating themselves every 2nd/3rd generation if you can
trace back that far. Your example

two brothers both naming a son Geoffrey within 5 years of each other.
doesn't sound far fetched at all, you will probably find that the brothers
father, grandfather or ggf had a similar name and died prior to the birth of the
boys. In my own family the names Thomas and Rivka appear regularly, infact in
one instance 3 boys all named their first born children for their deceased
grandfather Tobias, the childrens names rendered in English were, Tobias, Thomas
and Thomassina.

Until this week I thought that the Sephardi tradition was to name for the
grandparents in a certain order, whether they were living or dead, but I read in
the latest issue of a magazine dealing with Jewish culture that after 1492 the
Sephardic Jews of Morocco had different naming traditions depending on whether
they descended >from Berber/mountain villages or >from the Spanish mainland. I
will get more detail on this when I get home tonight.

Ben Forman
manchester UK

searching:
BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN: Kaluszyn; GEVER: Daugavpils
SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jewish Tradition an First Names #general

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Mark

There are a couple of Jewish traditions about naming children after the
living/dead.

The Ashkenazi tradition is to name after a recently deceased ancestor. You will
therefore find names repeating themselves every 2nd/3rd generation if you can
trace back that far. Your example

two brothers both naming a son Geoffrey within 5 years of each other.
doesn't sound far fetched at all, you will probably find that the brothers
father, grandfather or ggf had a similar name and died prior to the birth of the
boys. In my own family the names Thomas and Rivka appear regularly, infact in
one instance 3 boys all named their first born children for their deceased
grandfather Tobias, the childrens names rendered in English were, Tobias, Thomas
and Thomassina.

Until this week I thought that the Sephardi tradition was to name for the
grandparents in a certain order, whether they were living or dead, but I read in
the latest issue of a magazine dealing with Jewish culture that after 1492 the
Sephardic Jews of Morocco had different naming traditions depending on whether
they descended >from Berber/mountain villages or >from the Spanish mainland. I
will get more detail on this when I get home tonight.

Ben Forman
manchester UK

searching:
BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN: Kaluszyn; GEVER: Daugavpils
SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa;