Dear Geners,

For several months I have been doing research for a
certain WOLF family >from Poland. I knew the exact
birth dates I was looking for, the State and the
Counties where the families were known to live in the
1930s. But I could never find them in the 1930 Census.
I finally took the time to search on first names only
and age ranges for the entire state, and Wolf is a
very common name. Why age ranges, because the exact
ages I searched on did not match in the index.

I found them about an hour ago under the name
KINLFER. The name above the entry was written with
notes that covered up the name below. Yes, WOLF was
indexed as KINLFER. And this was an exact match on
birth place and ages of all members of the family at
that time. I just confirmed this by phone with a
living member of that family that was in this Census.
The Census also listed a Son as a Daughter in the
Census. So this also made them even harder to find.

Sometimes it may take looking through hundreds,
thousands or even tens of thousands of entries to find
someone. So don't give up.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.

Dear Geners,

For several months I have been doing research for a
certain WOLF family >from Poland. I knew the exact
birth dates I was looking for, the State and the
Counties where the families were known to live in the
1930s. But I could never find them in the 1930 Census.
I finally took the time to search on first names only
and age ranges for the entire state, and Wolf is a
very common name. Why age ranges, because the exact
ages I searched on did not match in the index.

I found them about an hour ago under the name
KINLFER. The name above the entry was written with
notes that covered up the name below. Yes, WOLF was
indexed as KINLFER. And this was an exact match on
birth place and ages of all members of the family at
that time. I just confirmed this by phone with a
living member of that family that was in this Census.
The Census also listed a Son as a Daughter in the
Census. So this also made them even harder to find.

Sometimes it may take looking through hundreds,
thousands or even tens of thousands of entries to find
someone. So don't give up.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.

I have a chumash that was given to my grandparents on their 50th anniversary
June 18.1944. The message and inscription is written in Yiddish and was
transliterated for me as: "A present....>from their dear friend Tzvi Hirsh son
of Zelic Abramovich Mechishun Vershukidvan Tomashove Latvia." Does anyone
have an idea as to what this is? Initially I thought the last four words was
his former place of residence. However, I can find nothing to substantiate
this.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone who
gives this consideration.

Marcia Greenberg Hoffman
Baltimore, MD
ODINETZ, ORDINTZ, GOODMAN, BRAVERMAN, ODYNTS (Vilnius and surrounding area)
MILEWICZ, MALEWITZ, ROSENSWEIG, GRYNBERG (Lomza and surrounding are)
FRIEDMAN (Austria)

I have a chumash that was given to my grandparents on their 50th anniversary
June 18.1944. The message and inscription is written in Yiddish and was
transliterated for me as: "A present....>from their dear friend Tzvi Hirsh son
of Zelic Abramovich Mechishun Vershukidvan Tomashove Latvia." Does anyone
have an idea as to what this is? Initially I thought the last four words was
his former place of residence. However, I can find nothing to substantiate
this.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone who
gives this consideration.

Marcia Greenberg Hoffman
Baltimore, MD
ODINETZ, ORDINTZ, GOODMAN, BRAVERMAN, ODYNTS (Vilnius and surrounding area)
MILEWICZ, MALEWITZ, ROSENSWEIG, GRYNBERG (Lomza and surrounding are)
FRIEDMAN (Austria)

With the recent discussions of surnames, changes, meanings, etc. I thought I
would ask opinions >from list members (privately - please) regarding two
immigration records that I am reviewing as possible candidates for my
great-grandparents. Frankly, I just do not know!

To briefly summarize . . . It is difficult to read the father and child's
surname on my grandfather's 1893 CT birth record. It looks like Kwasny, but
many on this list have had different opinions. To help you help me, you may
review grandpa's birth record at:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Nancy-R-Kendrick/PHOTO/0004
photo.html
(If address wraps, please copy and paste the entire address in your address
window to view the birth record)

We estimate the immigration of the family members to be between 1889 - 1892 (we
have an 1892 portrait >from CT taken in Bridgeport). We do know one family
member immigrated on "The Elbe" 9/1892, so I guess it's possible another family
member immigrated on "The Elbe" in 1891.

Nevertheless, I located the following information via a popular subscription web
site and just wonder if these records could well be my great-grandparents and
would appreciate opinions >from subscribers, once they have reviewed grandpa's
birth record..

Name: Helena Kewacz
Arrival Date: 1 May 1890
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Hungary
Ship Name: Hermann
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 51
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: 547
List Number: 571
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

Name: Anhaly Kewacz
Arrival Date: 15 Aug 1891
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany and Southampton, England
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Hungary
Ship Name: Elbe
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: 573
List Number: 1238
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

My great-grandmother's name is Helena. The birth date is darned close, and
Hungary is mentioned on several U.S. and State records for her children who
immigrated here. The same goes for the record for Anhaly, pretty darned close
____ except I have never heard the name Anahly, only Adolf or Adolph for my
great-grandfather.

Sincere thanks in advance for any opinions offered off list.

With kind regards,
Nancy Kendrick, Port Orange, FL
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Nancy-R-Kendrick/?Wel
come=1018348985
BLOCH / BUGEN / DZIEKIEWICZ / KWASNY or KWASNEY or KEWAZ?/GROSS / KISH / RING /
TOWNSLEY

I am particularly looking for a pre-war picture.
Thank you in advance for your help.

Todd Brody
Englewood, NJ

Searching: BRAUDE (Telz, Alsiad, Plotel), GLASS (Sandomierz, Montreal),
ROSENBERG (Skaryszew, Montreal), GROSSER (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw),
LAMM (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw), FRANKFORT (Sieniawa), ARFA (Biezun,
Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock), MAJ ((Biezun, Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock).

With the recent discussions of surnames, changes, meanings, etc. I thought I
would ask opinions >from list members (privately - please) regarding two
immigration records that I am reviewing as possible candidates for my
great-grandparents. Frankly, I just do not know!

To briefly summarize . . . It is difficult to read the father and child's
surname on my grandfather's 1893 CT birth record. It looks like Kwasny, but
many on this list have had different opinions. To help you help me, you may
review grandpa's birth record at:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Nancy-R-Kendrick/PHOTO/0004
photo.html
(If address wraps, please copy and paste the entire address in your address
window to view the birth record)

We estimate the immigration of the family members to be between 1889 - 1892 (we
have an 1892 portrait >from CT taken in Bridgeport). We do know one family
member immigrated on "The Elbe" 9/1892, so I guess it's possible another family
member immigrated on "The Elbe" in 1891.

Nevertheless, I located the following information via a popular subscription web
site and just wonder if these records could well be my great-grandparents and
would appreciate opinions >from subscribers, once they have reviewed grandpa's
birth record..

Name: Helena Kewacz
Arrival Date: 1 May 1890
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Hungary
Ship Name: Hermann
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 51
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: 547
List Number: 571
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

Name: Anhaly Kewacz
Arrival Date: 15 Aug 1891
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany and Southampton, England
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Hungary
Ship Name: Elbe
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: 573
List Number: 1238
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

My great-grandmother's name is Helena. The birth date is darned close, and
Hungary is mentioned on several U.S. and State records for her children who
immigrated here. The same goes for the record for Anhaly, pretty darned close
____ except I have never heard the name Anahly, only Adolf or Adolph for my
great-grandfather.

Sincere thanks in advance for any opinions offered off list.

With kind regards,
Nancy Kendrick, Port Orange, FL
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Nancy-R-Kendrick/?Wel
come=1018348985
BLOCH / BUGEN / DZIEKIEWICZ / KWASNY or KWASNEY or KEWAZ?/GROSS / KISH / RING /
TOWNSLEY

I am particularly looking for a pre-war picture.
Thank you in advance for your help.

Todd Brody
Englewood, NJ

Searching: BRAUDE (Telz, Alsiad, Plotel), GLASS (Sandomierz, Montreal),
ROSENBERG (Skaryszew, Montreal), GROSSER (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw),
LAMM (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw), FRANKFORT (Sieniawa), ARFA (Biezun,
Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock), MAJ ((Biezun, Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock).

<<Has anyone ever heard of this hospital that existed many years ago? I am
wondering where it was located?>>

The Jewish Maternity Hospital was built at the cost of over $100,000 opened
for patients on February 15, 1908, with chairman Adolph Lewishohn, and
consulting physicians Drs. Ralph Waldo and Samuel W. Bandler. It was
located at 270 (& 272) East Broadway. Located in the heart of the Lower
East Side, it provided Kosher food and Yiddish-speaking doctors.

There are many interesting stories about the hospital in the New York Times
over the years, including one >from 1917 where physicians saved the life of
"Mrs. Michael Levine's" newborn son by performing a controversial operation
despite the protestations of the father to let nature take its course. The
choreographer, Jerome Robbins, born "Jerome Wilson Rabinowitz" was born
there on October 11, 1918.

from the 1935-36 Medical Directory of New York:

Jewish Maternity Hospital
270 East Broadway.
Tel. Orchard 4-4015.
Obstetrical. 52 Beds. 52 Cribs.
Maintains School of Nursing.
Supt., Sarah Saperstein, R. N.
CONSULTING STAFF: A. M. Hilkowich, H. E. Isaacs, O. Levin, G. L.
Broadhead; ATTD. Staff: Emeritus: J. Bakst; N. Ratnoff, S. J. Scadron,
E. G. Langrock, J. J. Hertz: Assos.: H. L. Moskowitz, J. Nathanson, R.
Toll, S. L. Newman, H. Schnmeider, E. Diamond, N. Broder; Adjs.: M.
Rodgers, E. Rauch, M. E. Goldblatt, M.C.C. Lilienfeld, I. Wellen, L.
Altman, N. P. Plesbette, A. Lieberson, L. Winkelstein; PED.: E. A.
Riesenfeld, H. Schwarz; Asso.: L. Mishkin; OTOL.: M. J. Mandelbaum:
ANAEST.: S. D. Ehrlich; Toxemia Clin.: J. J. Vorzimer.

The hospital eventually merged with Beth Israel Hospital, still in existence
in Manhattan.

If you want to learn more about a specific person associated with this
hospital, newspaper research may be your best source. Perhaps Beth Israel
still holds records for this establishment as well.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com

<<Has anyone ever heard of this hospital that existed many years ago? I am
wondering where it was located?>>

The Jewish Maternity Hospital was built at the cost of over $100,000 opened
for patients on February 15, 1908, with chairman Adolph Lewishohn, and
consulting physicians Drs. Ralph Waldo and Samuel W. Bandler. It was
located at 270 (& 272) East Broadway. Located in the heart of the Lower
East Side, it provided Kosher food and Yiddish-speaking doctors.

There are many interesting stories about the hospital in the New York Times
over the years, including one >from 1917 where physicians saved the life of
"Mrs. Michael Levine's" newborn son by performing a controversial operation
despite the protestations of the father to let nature take its course. The
choreographer, Jerome Robbins, born "Jerome Wilson Rabinowitz" was born
there on October 11, 1918.

from the 1935-36 Medical Directory of New York:

Jewish Maternity Hospital
270 East Broadway.
Tel. Orchard 4-4015.
Obstetrical. 52 Beds. 52 Cribs.
Maintains School of Nursing.
Supt., Sarah Saperstein, R. N.
CONSULTING STAFF: A. M. Hilkowich, H. E. Isaacs, O. Levin, G. L.
Broadhead; ATTD. Staff: Emeritus: J. Bakst; N. Ratnoff, S. J. Scadron,
E. G. Langrock, J. J. Hertz: Assos.: H. L. Moskowitz, J. Nathanson, R.
Toll, S. L. Newman, H. Schnmeider, E. Diamond, N. Broder; Adjs.: M.
Rodgers, E. Rauch, M. E. Goldblatt, M.C.C. Lilienfeld, I. Wellen, L.
Altman, N. P. Plesbette, A. Lieberson, L. Winkelstein; PED.: E. A.
Riesenfeld, H. Schwarz; Asso.: L. Mishkin; OTOL.: M. J. Mandelbaum:
ANAEST.: S. D. Ehrlich; Toxemia Clin.: J. J. Vorzimer.

The hospital eventually merged with Beth Israel Hospital, still in existence
in Manhattan.

If you want to learn more about a specific person associated with this
hospital, newspaper research may be your best source. Perhaps Beth Israel
still holds records for this establishment as well.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com

I had a similar experience with a tombstone I found while searching
The Kartuz Bereza Association plots at Beth David in Queens, NY. I
Called the cemetery and they told me there was no such person on their
database. So I told them that I had seen the stone. They went back to
their old card files and found the correct entry and added it to their
database. There are always errors when things are transcribed >from one
dource to another. But, if you feel you are right, persue it in other
ways. Perseverance pays off.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

*****
When I discovered that the cemetery database had a different spelling for my
antecedent's surname, rather than the one that appears on her headstone, I
called the cemetery and they will be glad to make the correction after they send
someone out to verify what I reported should be the proper surname spelling.

This explains why I could not find my family member despite the fact that I
knew she was there. I did try different spellings as suggested by Steve Lasky,
however, I never would have thought to try the one spelled incorrectly in the
cemetery's records.

Consider bringing to the attention, any misspellings that come your way
during your online research with any of the cemeteries who are now participating
with Internet searches. Hopefully they will all be as receptive to making the
changes as the staff at Mt. Hebron appear to be.

Barbara Meyers

I had a similar experience with a tombstone I found while searching
The Kartuz Bereza Association plots at Beth David in Queens, NY. I
Called the cemetery and they told me there was no such person on their
database. So I told them that I had seen the stone. They went back to
their old card files and found the correct entry and added it to their
database. There are always errors when things are transcribed >from one
dource to another. But, if you feel you are right, persue it in other
ways. Perseverance pays off.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

*****
When I discovered that the cemetery database had a different spelling for my
antecedent's surname, rather than the one that appears on her headstone, I
called the cemetery and they will be glad to make the correction after they send
someone out to verify what I reported should be the proper surname spelling.

This explains why I could not find my family member despite the fact that I
knew she was there. I did try different spellings as suggested by Steve Lasky,
however, I never would have thought to try the one spelled incorrectly in the
cemetery's records.

Consider bringing to the attention, any misspellings that come your way
during your online research with any of the cemeteries who are now participating
with Internet searches. Hopefully they will all be as receptive to making the
changes as the staff at Mt. Hebron appear to be.

Barbara Meyers

"Stan Golembe" <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote

There has been much discussion about people who may have not been counted
in the census. I have a story that goes in the opposite direction.

At the time of the 1930 census my family lived in New York City but my
father's business took him elsewhere for periods of time so he maintained
a residence at the business site.
On April 8, the census taker visited our apartment in New York. My father
must have been away and my mother gave the family information which
included my father. On April 19 another census taker visited my father's
other residence and someone there reported on all the residents at that
building. As a result, my father is listed and counted twice in the 1930
census.

See http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68166.htm which says that
since 1790 people have been counted at their "usual residence" ie where the
person lives and sleeps most of the time. It points out that this is not
necessarily the same as the person's voting residence or legal residence.
Not being a US resident others would be better able to comment on that.

In a present day UK census, and I haven't worked on them for 20 years, it
would, I think, be possible to be included on two Census returns - if I was
in a hotel or staying at someone else's house on Census night I would be
included on the Census record at that establishment - but it would be
apparent >from the return made that this was not my normal place of
residence.

At my usual place of residence I would be recorded as absent on the night of
the Census, but normally resident there.

The Census analysis allows for tables to be produced with different
population bases.

See, for instance, this UK Office of National Statistics presentation
"Population Definitions and Preparation for the 2011 Census" on different
possible usual residence definitions for the UK 2011 Census.
http://www.laria.gov.uk/content/articles/2006_conference_pdf/pdfs/smith.pdf

So I don't think that there is anything strange in what Stan reports.

After all, short of asking everyone to stay at home during the Census this
is bound to happen - in some Third World Countries I believe the
stay-at-home option has been effected.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)

"Stan Golembe" <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote

There has been much discussion about people who may have not been counted
in the census. I have a story that goes in the opposite direction.

At the time of the 1930 census my family lived in New York City but my
father's business took him elsewhere for periods of time so he maintained
a residence at the business site.
On April 8, the census taker visited our apartment in New York. My father
must have been away and my mother gave the family information which
included my father. On April 19 another census taker visited my father's
other residence and someone there reported on all the residents at that
building. As a result, my father is listed and counted twice in the 1930
census.

See http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68166.htm which says that
since 1790 people have been counted at their "usual residence" ie where the
person lives and sleeps most of the time. It points out that this is not
necessarily the same as the person's voting residence or legal residence.
Not being a US resident others would be better able to comment on that.

In a present day UK census, and I haven't worked on them for 20 years, it
would, I think, be possible to be included on two Census returns - if I was
in a hotel or staying at someone else's house on Census night I would be
included on the Census record at that establishment - but it would be
apparent >from the return made that this was not my normal place of
residence.

At my usual place of residence I would be recorded as absent on the night of
the Census, but normally resident there.

The Census analysis allows for tables to be produced with different
population bases.

See, for instance, this UK Office of National Statistics presentation
"Population Definitions and Preparation for the 2011 Census" on different
possible usual residence definitions for the UK 2011 Census.
http://www.laria.gov.uk/content/articles/2006_conference_pdf/pdfs/smith.pdf

So I don't think that there is anything strange in what Stan reports.

After all, short of asking everyone to stay at home during the Census this
is bound to happen - in some Third World Countries I believe the
stay-at-home option has been effected.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)

Dear group,
I've obtained the U.S. Petition for Naturalization for one of my
relatives, and she states that she was born March 4, 1910 in Paris,
France. I'd very much like to obtain a copy of this record if
possible, since we had no knowledge of the family being in France en
route to the U.S. According to her June 1911 passenger manifest,
Paris was her last residence before emigrating.

Her name is/was Victoria HENKIN, and her naturalization papers says
her name at time of immigration was Victorine Guenken. (The family
surname was Genkin, >from Russia). Her parents should've been Maxim
and Pauline Henkin.

Any suggestions or assistance would be welcome. I would be glad, or
course, to compensate out-of-pocket costs and/or trade for US
research (I have access to a couple of the genealogy websites, and we
have a National Archives here in Atlanta.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia.

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENOKOV; POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN -
AVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER; RINCOVER - HARINCOVER; WISENTHAL
Harbin, China: FELDMAN; PENZNER; SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ

Dear group,
I've obtained the U.S. Petition for Naturalization for one of my
relatives, and she states that she was born March 4, 1910 in Paris,
France. I'd very much like to obtain a copy of this record if
possible, since we had no knowledge of the family being in France en
route to the U.S. According to her June 1911 passenger manifest,
Paris was her last residence before emigrating.

Her name is/was Victoria HENKIN, and her naturalization papers says
her name at time of immigration was Victorine Guenken. (The family
surname was Genkin, >from Russia). Her parents should've been Maxim
and Pauline Henkin.

Any suggestions or assistance would be welcome. I would be glad, or
course, to compensate out-of-pocket costs and/or trade for US
research (I have access to a couple of the genealogy websites, and we
have a National Archives here in Atlanta.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia.

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENOKOV; POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN -
AVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER; RINCOVER - HARINCOVER; WISENTHAL
Harbin, China: FELDMAN; PENZNER; SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ

Two new features were added a few minutes ago by Steve Morse for searching for
Mount Carmel and Mount Hebron burials. He has added "is exactly" to his list of
possible ways to search by last name. He also has altered the way results are
displayed when a search is done year-by-year. There is now a composite table
instead of a separate table for each year.

At www.stevemorse.org, scroll down to "Births, Deaths, and other Vital Records,"
and click on "Cemeteries."

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

Two new features were added a few minutes ago by Steve Morse for searching for
Mount Carmel and Mount Hebron burials. He has added "is exactly" to his list of
possible ways to search by last name. He also has altered the way results are
displayed when a search is done year-by-year. There is now a composite table
instead of a separate table for each year.

At www.stevemorse.org, scroll down to "Births, Deaths, and other Vital Records,"
and click on "Cemeteries."

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

I found listings in a couple of Manhattan City Directories circa 1900 for a
Stevens Avenue. Does anyone know where this street used to be located.
Can't seem to find it on a current day map. Thanks for any assistance you
can provide.

Ron Arons
Oakland, CA

I found listings in a couple of Manhattan City Directories circa 1900 for a
Stevens Avenue. Does anyone know where this street used to be located.
Can't seem to find it on a current day map. Thanks for any assistance you
can provide.

Ron Arons
Oakland, CA