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Re: UK Immigration and/or Marriage Records - Villiers #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Sharon,

At the risk of sounding very "20th century," the Mormons have
microfilmed English/Welsh BMD indices up to 1980. If you have any
idea of the timeframe, and you live near a Family History Center, you
could order the relevant quarter year index and see if the couple is
listed. There may be some FHCs that have these records a part of
their permanent collection. I say this because two FHCs in the San
Francisco Bay Area (Oakland and Menlo Park) have long runs of this
record series.

Good luck,

--
Jeremy G Frankel
ex Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: UK Immigration and/or Marriage Records - Villiers #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Sharon,

At the risk of sounding very "20th century," the Mormons have
microfilmed English/Welsh BMD indices up to 1980. If you have any
idea of the timeframe, and you live near a Family History Center, you
could order the relevant quarter year index and see if the couple is
listed. There may be some FHCs that have these records a part of
their permanent collection. I say this because two FHCs in the San
Francisco Bay Area (Oakland and Menlo Park) have long runs of this
record series.

Good luck,

--
Jeremy G Frankel
ex Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA


Re: Auschwitz victims suitcases: NADELMANN #general

Ruth and Bruce Lynn <lynn33@...>
 

Re: Sally Goodman's posting, below, a friend recognized my maiden name,
NADELMANN, on a suitcase at Auschwitz, and sent me a photo. It belonged to
my father's first cousin, Dr. Moritz NADELMANN's wife, Clara BUTTERMILCH
NADELMANN. She and her husband lived in Stettin and Berlin, and were
transported to Terezin in 1943, where he died. She "disappeared" after
transport to Auschwitz on 9 Oct. 1944, at age 64.

Ruth Nadelman Lynn
Lexington, MA
lynn33@rcn.com


This evening I watched the DVR of Elie Weisel and Oprah's visit to
Auschwitz.

As they walked through the Museum, they stopped at the window of the
suitcases and the name VESELY jumped out at me. I paused and forwarded,
paused and rewound until I could see the name clearly. VESELY is a prominent
collateral name in my family's history. How eerie this felt.

Then I saw other suitcases with names. Again, I paused and forwarded and
rewound until I could make out the names and information. I list them below
as I was able to see them in case someone is interested:

Petr EISLER #6446, born 20-111-1942, a child;
Ruth Sara LAX;
Fanni Sara KORNITZER, Wien; and
LEVKOVIC Alex.

Perhaps when someone visits Auschwitz, they could photograph the suitcases
with names, if permitted, and post them. It really makes this so very
personal.

Sally Goodman
Palm Springs/LA, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Auschwitz victims suitcases: NADELMANN #general

Ruth and Bruce Lynn <lynn33@...>
 

Re: Sally Goodman's posting, below, a friend recognized my maiden name,
NADELMANN, on a suitcase at Auschwitz, and sent me a photo. It belonged to
my father's first cousin, Dr. Moritz NADELMANN's wife, Clara BUTTERMILCH
NADELMANN. She and her husband lived in Stettin and Berlin, and were
transported to Terezin in 1943, where he died. She "disappeared" after
transport to Auschwitz on 9 Oct. 1944, at age 64.

Ruth Nadelman Lynn
Lexington, MA
lynn33@rcn.com


This evening I watched the DVR of Elie Weisel and Oprah's visit to
Auschwitz.

As they walked through the Museum, they stopped at the window of the
suitcases and the name VESELY jumped out at me. I paused and forwarded,
paused and rewound until I could see the name clearly. VESELY is a prominent
collateral name in my family's history. How eerie this felt.

Then I saw other suitcases with names. Again, I paused and forwarded and
rewound until I could make out the names and information. I list them below
as I was able to see them in case someone is interested:

Petr EISLER #6446, born 20-111-1942, a child;
Ruth Sara LAX;
Fanni Sara KORNITZER, Wien; and
LEVKOVIC Alex.

Perhaps when someone visits Auschwitz, they could photograph the suitcases
with names, if permitted, and post them. It really makes this so very
personal.

Sally Goodman
Palm Springs/LA, CA


Not Conversant in Yiddish/Hebrew [was English-language Jewish Newspapers] #general

s_wiener@...
 

Hi, Fellow-genners,

I am intrigued by Helene's post and have the following
situational questions -

Jews have lived [and continue to live] among many
peoples. They have always learned the lingua franca
in order to interact and transact business. Until
recent times, did Jews forgo learning Hebrew or being
able to converse in Yiddish, Ladino, etc. once they
had become comfortable in the mainstream? It was my
understanding that Jews were never *fully* in the
mainstream but existed on the periphery.

In the last century, a family might feel integrated
enough into the larger society [i.e. German, Austrian,
British, American...] so that reading [or the ability
to read] a Yiddish paper wouldn't be seen as necessary
- then a birth or obituary notice would be posted in
the main local paper just like everybody else.

Did many eastern European Jews come to the US in the
late 1700s or early 1800s? Western European Jews who
arrived in the US back then most probably were not
Yiddish speakers.

Many thanks in advance for your insight,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA
-----
Helene Kenvin <hekenvin@bellsouth.net> says in part:

... I should have mentioned that this branch of my
family has lived in the US for some nine generations.
In 1903, these ancestors were unlikely to have read or
put announcements in either The Forward or any other
non-English-language newspaper.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Not Conversant in Yiddish/Hebrew [was English-language Jewish Newspapers] #general

s_wiener@...
 

Hi, Fellow-genners,

I am intrigued by Helene's post and have the following
situational questions -

Jews have lived [and continue to live] among many
peoples. They have always learned the lingua franca
in order to interact and transact business. Until
recent times, did Jews forgo learning Hebrew or being
able to converse in Yiddish, Ladino, etc. once they
had become comfortable in the mainstream? It was my
understanding that Jews were never *fully* in the
mainstream but existed on the periphery.

In the last century, a family might feel integrated
enough into the larger society [i.e. German, Austrian,
British, American...] so that reading [or the ability
to read] a Yiddish paper wouldn't be seen as necessary
- then a birth or obituary notice would be posted in
the main local paper just like everybody else.

Did many eastern European Jews come to the US in the
late 1700s or early 1800s? Western European Jews who
arrived in the US back then most probably were not
Yiddish speakers.

Many thanks in advance for your insight,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA
-----
Helene Kenvin <hekenvin@bellsouth.net> says in part:

... I should have mentioned that this branch of my
family has lived in the US for some nine generations.
In 1903, these ancestors were unlikely to have read or
put announcements in either The Forward or any other
non-English-language newspaper.


Sayde (Hirschhorn) Scwartz family search #general

Sandra Yoder
 

My information about Sayde "Barsheva" (HIRSCHHORN) SCHWARTZ, born in NY in
1902, states that she had a son, Raymond, who had at least 10 children, one
also called Raymond and a daughter, Jean.

I can't find any other details about his children or other descendants of
Sayde even after contacting a Hirschhorn cousin and inquiring of other
Hirschhorn's.

Hopefully someone reading this can lead me to this specific family. I know
the family came >from Latvia, lived in NY and then moved to Essex County, NJ
where Sayde's parents, Rebecca (Greenberg) and Louis are buried.

Thank you for your help.

Sandra Yoder
Goshen IN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sayde (Hirschhorn) Scwartz family search #general

Sandra Yoder
 

My information about Sayde "Barsheva" (HIRSCHHORN) SCHWARTZ, born in NY in
1902, states that she had a son, Raymond, who had at least 10 children, one
also called Raymond and a daughter, Jean.

I can't find any other details about his children or other descendants of
Sayde even after contacting a Hirschhorn cousin and inquiring of other
Hirschhorn's.

Hopefully someone reading this can lead me to this specific family. I know
the family came >from Latvia, lived in NY and then moved to Essex County, NJ
where Sayde's parents, Rebecca (Greenberg) and Louis are buried.

Thank you for your help.

Sandra Yoder
Goshen IN


Incorrect Slavit death certificate #general

Sandra Yoder
 

I received a death certificate for Dinah SLAVIT, wife of Bernard, daughter
of Lester GOODMAN. She was born about 1862 in "Russia" and passed on
8/11/1937 in Brooklyn.

I am researching Dora Slavit, born about 1862 in Latvia, wife of Moses
"Morris", children Jack and Bessie and possibly daughter of Aaron and
Pauline Greenberg.

If you would like this certificate and/or have information about Dora, her
family and descendants, please contact me.

Thank you,
Sandra Yoder
Goshen IN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Incorrect Slavit death certificate #general

Sandra Yoder
 

I received a death certificate for Dinah SLAVIT, wife of Bernard, daughter
of Lester GOODMAN. She was born about 1862 in "Russia" and passed on
8/11/1937 in Brooklyn.

I am researching Dora Slavit, born about 1862 in Latvia, wife of Moses
"Morris", children Jack and Bessie and possibly daughter of Aaron and
Pauline Greenberg.

If you would like this certificate and/or have information about Dora, her
family and descendants, please contact me.

Thank you,
Sandra Yoder
Goshen IN


Re: Death Certificates in New York Archives #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

from what I understand these databases are a constant work in progress as
volunteers complete assignments. I suggest that these databases be checked
from time to time to see the additions. This should be SOP (standard
operational procedure) on any and all databases to which one subscribes
searching for family.
Joanie

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG,GOODSTEIN,BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn,NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
WEISS-Brooklyn, NY; NEIBERG-Brooklyn, NY; DEL PINO-Brooklyn, NY;
KATZ, GELFAND-Minsk, Belarus; Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

It was suggested that the researcher seeking a NYC death certificate for
Shimshon S. Frischman use the Italian and German American databases. I,
however, have found them to be very incomplete. I have tried with each
database update to find two ancestors whose deaths fit into the time
frames and boroughs covered and found neither of them. I know they're
dead. I don't think anyone can be sure of finding the searched for
individuals there.
Irene Berman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death Certificates in New York Archives #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

from what I understand these databases are a constant work in progress as
volunteers complete assignments. I suggest that these databases be checked
from time to time to see the additions. This should be SOP (standard
operational procedure) on any and all databases to which one subscribes
searching for family.
Joanie

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG,GOODSTEIN,BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn,NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
WEISS-Brooklyn, NY; NEIBERG-Brooklyn, NY; DEL PINO-Brooklyn, NY;
KATZ, GELFAND-Minsk, Belarus; Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

It was suggested that the researcher seeking a NYC death certificate for
Shimshon S. Frischman use the Italian and German American databases. I,
however, have found them to be very incomplete. I have tried with each
database update to find two ancestors whose deaths fit into the time
frames and boroughs covered and found neither of them. I know they're
dead. I don't think anyone can be sure of finding the searched for
individuals there.
Irene Berman


Yiddish translator available #general

HHgoldsmith@...
 

If you are in need of a someone to translate Yiddish material into English,
especially handwritten letters, please contact me for more information.
Thank you. Hadassa Goldsmith (hhgoldsmith@aol.com)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yiddish translator available #general

HHgoldsmith@...
 

If you are in need of a someone to translate Yiddish material into English,
especially handwritten letters, please contact me for more information.
Thank you. Hadassa Goldsmith (hhgoldsmith@aol.com)


Re: Tenyoe in Hungary - where? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello Mark,

The place you are looking for is called Tenyofalu, with an acute accent on
the 'e' and an umlaut on the 'o'. This is important because both accents
change the sounding of the word.

The accented 'e' sounds like the 'a' in the word "way", but with the tongue
higher in the mouth

The accented 'o' sounds like the 'eu' contraction in the French word "peu"

Tenhofalu is today called Tenyo and was located in the Austro-Hungarian
county of Gyor (the 'o' has umlaut), and in the Sokaroalja district (the
's' sounds as the 'sh' in shovel). The Hungarians do not use the 'oe' (or
'ae') contraction as the Germans do to denote an umlauted character.

If you search ShtetlSeeker with the word Tenyo you will find this place,
located at coordinates 47 32' 17 39' and 67 miles west of Budapest or
about 10 miles south of Gyor. The map can be seen at
http://tinylink.com/?8gCuBy6w33

Regards
Tom

PS: a good guide of Hungarian accented characters and their spelling can be
found at: http://www.personal.psu.edu/adr10/hu0.html

A relative was born in "Teinyoe", Hungary in 1909 according to a visa
application that he filled out in Vienna as a refugee in 1956. He is known
to have lived most of his time in Hungary in Gyoer. I have been unable to
locate this town or anything similar in JGFF, google, or the archive. Could
anyone direct me? Thank you,

Mark Suss
Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Tenyoe in Hungary - where? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello Mark,

The place you are looking for is called Tenyofalu, with an acute accent on
the 'e' and an umlaut on the 'o'. This is important because both accents
change the sounding of the word.

The accented 'e' sounds like the 'a' in the word "way", but with the tongue
higher in the mouth

The accented 'o' sounds like the 'eu' contraction in the French word "peu"

Tenhofalu is today called Tenyo and was located in the Austro-Hungarian
county of Gyor (the 'o' has umlaut), and in the Sokaroalja district (the
's' sounds as the 'sh' in shovel). The Hungarians do not use the 'oe' (or
'ae') contraction as the Germans do to denote an umlauted character.

If you search ShtetlSeeker with the word Tenyo you will find this place,
located at coordinates 47 32' 17 39' and 67 miles west of Budapest or
about 10 miles south of Gyor. The map can be seen at
http://tinylink.com/?8gCuBy6w33

Regards
Tom

PS: a good guide of Hungarian accented characters and their spelling can be
found at: http://www.personal.psu.edu/adr10/hu0.html

A relative was born in "Teinyoe", Hungary in 1909 according to a visa
application that he filled out in Vienna as a refugee in 1956. He is known
to have lived most of his time in Hungary in Gyoer. I have been unable to
locate this town or anything similar in JGFF, google, or the archive. Could
anyone direct me? Thank you,

Mark Suss
Melbourne, Australia


Searching family names need help! #ukraine

Debbie Jurblum <debbie_jurblum@...>
 

Dear Genners,
My name is Debbie JURBLUM and I have been researching my family tree for
many years, seriously for the last five yet I am a novice.
My family tree consists of around 600 people and all have been found by word
of mouth except for about ten people which I have just recently found on
Jewish Gen. They are my first discoveries! I have recently been to Israel
and in touch with family I have never met before! Did some research in Yad
Vashem and Beit Hatefutsot but had no luck there. Just not enough time!
I will be at the New York Conference. I was hoping that there might be
others at the conference and also members of the SIG groups who may also be
looking for my families. The Paternal sides of the families are the hardest
I would have thought that they would be easier due to surnames!
My family names and towns are;
RECHTSCHAFFNER, SWARTZBARD, REISS (Lwow, Lyon )
FEIWEL, MILROM, WEKER, MELER, SPERGEL, SCHRAEGER, (Sokol, Tartakow, Lwow)
UNGER (Germany, Gurs / Escou France)
WEISS, WOLFMANN,TEICHTAHL, (Lubavetcher WEISS in Switzerland, Bielsko
Biala, Zacopagnya/zacopane(Czech side of Poland?) , Bendzin,Osweinim,
Jureno/ Juryno USSR) DRUCK/ER, MEISELMAN (Kuty,Romania)
JURBLUM, ZYLBERBERG/SYLBERBERG/SILBERBERG(Warsaw) DOBROWODKIER (Chelm)
If you have any information on any of these families I would love to hear
from you.
from Debbie JURBLUM nee WEISS Melbourne Australia
debbiejurblum@gmail.com
Please respond privately.


Moderator Comment: >from those of us with more experience - YOU
personify what these Conferences are all about. >from looking at
your list of namesyou will most likey make several connections there.
Good luck - and Enjoy!


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Searching family names need help! #ukraine

Debbie Jurblum <debbie_jurblum@...>
 

Dear Genners,
My name is Debbie JURBLUM and I have been researching my family tree for
many years, seriously for the last five yet I am a novice.
My family tree consists of around 600 people and all have been found by word
of mouth except for about ten people which I have just recently found on
Jewish Gen. They are my first discoveries! I have recently been to Israel
and in touch with family I have never met before! Did some research in Yad
Vashem and Beit Hatefutsot but had no luck there. Just not enough time!
I will be at the New York Conference. I was hoping that there might be
others at the conference and also members of the SIG groups who may also be
looking for my families. The Paternal sides of the families are the hardest
I would have thought that they would be easier due to surnames!
My family names and towns are;
RECHTSCHAFFNER, SWARTZBARD, REISS (Lwow, Lyon )
FEIWEL, MILROM, WEKER, MELER, SPERGEL, SCHRAEGER, (Sokol, Tartakow, Lwow)
UNGER (Germany, Gurs / Escou France)
WEISS, WOLFMANN,TEICHTAHL, (Lubavetcher WEISS in Switzerland, Bielsko
Biala, Zacopagnya/zacopane(Czech side of Poland?) , Bendzin,Osweinim,
Jureno/ Juryno USSR) DRUCK/ER, MEISELMAN (Kuty,Romania)
JURBLUM, ZYLBERBERG/SYLBERBERG/SILBERBERG(Warsaw) DOBROWODKIER (Chelm)
If you have any information on any of these families I would love to hear
from you.
from Debbie JURBLUM nee WEISS Melbourne Australia
debbiejurblum@gmail.com
Please respond privately.


Moderator Comment: >from those of us with more experience - YOU
personify what these Conferences are all about. >from looking at
your list of namesyou will most likey make several connections there.
Good luck - and Enjoy!


seeking Nachman/Aaronson descendants #general

Mark and Tamara Shofron
 

I am requesting assistance in finding any information
about the descendants of Hugo NACHMAN b. Meckenberg,
Ger abt 1869, and Isabella AARONSON b London abt 1868.

They were living in NYC Jan 16, 1902, when Isabella
died giving birth to son, Isador Nachman. I have not
been able to find them on the 1900 census, or Hugo and
kids on subsequent censuses. I have also had no luck
finding passenger listings (would have emmigrated
between 1890 and 1901. I have Isabella's death cert
and Isador's birth cert but have not been able to
trace the family beyond this date.

They resided at 14 Weir Court, NY on Jan 16, 1902.

Any help would be appreciated.

Mark Shofron
Mesa, Arizona
shofron@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking Nachman/Aaronson descendants #general

Mark and Tamara Shofron
 

I am requesting assistance in finding any information
about the descendants of Hugo NACHMAN b. Meckenberg,
Ger abt 1869, and Isabella AARONSON b London abt 1868.

They were living in NYC Jan 16, 1902, when Isabella
died giving birth to son, Isador Nachman. I have not
been able to find them on the 1900 census, or Hugo and
kids on subsequent censuses. I have also had no luck
finding passenger listings (would have emmigrated
between 1890 and 1901. I have Isabella's death cert
and Isador's birth cert but have not been able to
trace the family beyond this date.

They resided at 14 Weir Court, NY on Jan 16, 1902.

Any help would be appreciated.

Mark Shofron
Mesa, Arizona
shofron@yahoo.com