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Re: h-sig digest: April 09, 2006 #hungary

PBethWeiss@...
 

Dear Tom and the rest of list,
I'd like to bring to your attention the fact that there is an active list
for those interested in discussing issues of Holocaust reparations. Ditto
Tom's note- please continue discussion of this privately...or on the h-justice
list!
Here is the info on joining:

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Regards,
Paula Weiss
NY

In a message dated 4/10/2006 2:39:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:
The Forward has an article <http://www.forward.com/articles/7624>
about reparations for Hungarian Jewish survivors of the Holocaust.

in so far as the matter is of interest to many of the participants of
h-sig, i wish to bring this to our attention, but because the actual
matter of reparations is outside the scope of h-sig, please continue
any discussions of this privately and off-list.

tom klein, toronto

Moderator: As Tom suggested, please continue such discussions off-list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: April 09, 2006 #hungary

PBethWeiss@...
 

Dear Tom and the rest of list,
I'd like to bring to your attention the fact that there is an active list
for those interested in discussing issues of Holocaust reparations. Ditto
Tom's note- please continue discussion of this privately...or on the h-justice
list!
Here is the info on joining:

HOLOCAUST ERA RESTITUTIONS DISCUSSION GROUP
Home Page: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/h-justice_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/h-justice)
Post messages to: _h-justice@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:h-justice@yahoogroups.com)
To Subscribe: _h-justice-subscribe@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:h-justice-subscribe@yahoogroups.com)

Regards,
Paula Weiss
NY

In a message dated 4/10/2006 2:39:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:
The Forward has an article <http://www.forward.com/articles/7624>
about reparations for Hungarian Jewish survivors of the Holocaust.

in so far as the matter is of interest to many of the participants of
h-sig, i wish to bring this to our attention, but because the actual
matter of reparations is outside the scope of h-sig, please continue
any discussions of this privately and off-list.

tom klein, toronto

Moderator: As Tom suggested, please continue such discussions off-list.


Lustig #hungary

Andrew - Rogers <andrew-s@...>
 

In studying FHL films for Vienna Jewish births, latter part of the 19th
century, a peculiarity stuck me. For all children, the names of both parents
are given, except where, due to illegitimacy, only the mother's name is
available. In a surprisingly large number of cases the surname of the mother
is Lustig. Has anyone else noticed this strange fact? Is it only my
imagination, or could it be that "Lustig" (meaning 'gay' in the old sense)
was a convention used to avoid embarrassment to the family?

Andrew Sanders

Moderator: Please tell us the country and/or city where you reside.


Re: Hul, Hungary #hungary

Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...>
 

Hull is a hungarian name for a slovak town of Hul. It is located next to
Surany.
Hul belonged to the Surany Rabinate.

Vladimir Bohinc
Nove Mesto nad Vahom
Slovakia

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Subject: h-sig digest: April 10, 2006


H-SIG Digest for Monday, April 10, 2006.

1. RE: Hulh? Hungary
2. RE: Hulh? Hungary
3. Re: Hulh? Hungary

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Hulh? Hungary
From: "Diane Jacobs" <thegenie@patmedia.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:50 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Huhl could be Hull, a port in England. Many poor jews went the indirect
Passage as it was less money and stopped in England and/or Scotland
Before coming to the US.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkle ridge ranch [mailto:sparkle@onlinemac.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:51 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Hulh? Hungary

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my
grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate
any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Hulh? Hungary
From: "Gabriela Svatos" <gsvatos@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:13:00 +0000
X-Message-Number: 2

There is a Hul in present day Slovakia. It is near Nitra.

Good luck with your research,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

From: "sparkle ridge ranch" <sparkle@onlinemac.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Hulh? Hungary
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:51:13 -0700

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my
grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate
any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Hulh? Hungary
From: tom klein <h-sig@ecologicaltech.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:43:57 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3

If you enter "Hul" into the search string on bogardi.com's 1913 gazetteer,
the *only* town name that it finds containing that string is "Hull" in
Bars megye - it is in modern-day Slovakia.

as for being "born in Austria", this was probably not meant literally, but
more than likely referred to the austro-hungarian empire. particularly
around the time of the first world war, this could have been influenced by
the political situation.


....... tom klein, toronto



"sparkle ridge ranch" <sparkle@onlinemac.com> wrote:

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my
grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate
any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)



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Hungary SIG #Hungary Lustig #hungary

Andrew - Rogers <andrew-s@...>
 

In studying FHL films for Vienna Jewish births, latter part of the 19th
century, a peculiarity stuck me. For all children, the names of both parents
are given, except where, due to illegitimacy, only the mother's name is
available. In a surprisingly large number of cases the surname of the mother
is Lustig. Has anyone else noticed this strange fact? Is it only my
imagination, or could it be that "Lustig" (meaning 'gay' in the old sense)
was a convention used to avoid embarrassment to the family?

Andrew Sanders

Moderator: Please tell us the country and/or city where you reside.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hul, Hungary #hungary

Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...>
 

Hull is a hungarian name for a slovak town of Hul. It is located next to
Surany.
Hul belonged to the Surany Rabinate.

Vladimir Bohinc
Nove Mesto nad Vahom
Slovakia

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "h-sig digest recipients" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:00 AM
Subject: h-sig digest: April 10, 2006


H-SIG Digest for Monday, April 10, 2006.

1. RE: Hulh? Hungary
2. RE: Hulh? Hungary
3. Re: Hulh? Hungary

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Hulh? Hungary
From: "Diane Jacobs" <thegenie@patmedia.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:50 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Huhl could be Hull, a port in England. Many poor jews went the indirect
Passage as it was less money and stopped in England and/or Scotland
Before coming to the US.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkle ridge ranch [mailto:sparkle@onlinemac.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:51 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Hulh? Hungary

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my
grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate
any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Hulh? Hungary
From: "Gabriela Svatos" <gsvatos@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:13:00 +0000
X-Message-Number: 2

There is a Hul in present day Slovakia. It is near Nitra.

Good luck with your research,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

From: "sparkle ridge ranch" <sparkle@onlinemac.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Hulh? Hungary
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:51:13 -0700

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my
grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate
any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Hulh? Hungary
From: tom klein <h-sig@ecologicaltech.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:43:57 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3

If you enter "Hul" into the search string on bogardi.com's 1913 gazetteer,
the *only* town name that it finds containing that string is "Hull" in
Bars megye - it is in modern-day Slovakia.

as for being "born in Austria", this was probably not meant literally, but
more than likely referred to the austro-hungarian empire. particularly
around the time of the first world war, this could have been influenced by
the political situation.


....... tom klein, toronto



"sparkle ridge ranch" <sparkle@onlinemac.com> wrote:

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my
grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate
any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)



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Re: Hulh? Hungary #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

If you enter "Hul" into the search string on bogardi.com's 1913 gazetteer, the *only* town name that it finds containing that string is "Hull" in Bars megye - it is in modern-day Slovakia.

as for being "born in Austria", this was probably not meant literally, but more than likely referred to the austro-hungarian empire. particularly around the time of the first world war, this could have been influenced by the political situation.


....... tom klein, toronto

"sparkle ridge ranch" <sparkle@onlinemac.com> wrote:

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hulh? Hungary #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

If you enter "Hul" into the search string on bogardi.com's 1913 gazetteer, the *only* town name that it finds containing that string is "Hull" in Bars megye - it is in modern-day Slovakia.

as for being "born in Austria", this was probably not meant literally, but more than likely referred to the austro-hungarian empire. particularly around the time of the first world war, this could have been influenced by the political situation.


....... tom klein, toronto

"sparkle ridge ranch" <sparkle@onlinemac.com> wrote:

In 1905, my grandfather arrived in NY. The ship manifest shows the last
residence as Hulh (the second "h" is a best guess based on the "h" in
English for people >from England). Ellis Island has the town listed as
"Hulle" He is also listed as >from Hungary and Hebrew. On my grandparent's
marriage certificate (1908) and on my grandfather, BENJAMIN ADLER's death
certificate (1919), he is listed as born in Austria. I would appreciate any
help anyone can give me on clearing up the name of the town.

Marge Hurl
Willamina, Oregon
sparkle@onlinemac.com

Searching for ADLER, CITRON, PERLMAN, KLEIN (Austria-Hungary)


Remembering Szabtay Bliacher - actor from the Jewish Theatre, Poland & the Vilna Ghetto Theatre. #yiddish

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I had never heard of Szabtay BLIACHER before Thursday
April 6th 2006. That is the day I visited Yad Vashem
in Jerusalem to deposit my Pages of Testimony [POT].
I entered the impressive new building - stopped to
look at a few minutes of film on the screen on the
backdrop wall and started on the long, long, sombre
journey through the displays.

My first stop was on the right at the dramatic photo
on the wall - it showed a pile of bodies and Russian
officers staring down at them. In front of the
photograph lies a small display case with articles,
papers, etc recovered >from the pockets of the tragic
victims. Some are charred at the edges.

For this is a photograph of the notorious Klooga camp
in Estonia where the Germans shot thousands and they
did not have time to burn many of the bodies before
the Russians arrived. Many documents were recovered
from the pockets of the victims - some were scorched.
The first group I looked at belonged to Szabtay
BLIACHER - there was a Card of the Union of Artists of
the Jewish Theatre, Poland. His Union Membership was
dated 15 May 1938 - No 285; issued at Warsaw Lezsno
Street No 2. The card was in English and French.

There were two or three cheerful photographs - some
looked as if they were of fellow actors. Szabtay had
kept these precious mementoes of his happy theatrical
life in his pocket right up to the the moment of his
murder. You can read about Klooga Camp here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klooga_concentration_camp

On the Yad Vashem website <http://www.yadvashem.org>

you can find a POT submitted in 1989 by his sister Lea
MILKOWSKI [the POT mistakenly says "brother", but I
have sent in a correction]. It reads: Shabtai BLIACHER
was born in Wilno, Poland in 1906 to Tzvi and Dina nee
GROS. He was an actor and married to Genia.

Szabtay's mother Dina [daughter of Mendel and Lea
GROS] and his older brother Mitia [born 1903], a
merchant married to Raya, also have a POT each.

The Vilna ghetto had an active theatrical group
[incorporating Yiddish theatre and cabaret] and Shabse
BLIACHER's name is mentioned on p. 41 of this article
from the US Holocaust Museum on the destruction of
Lithuanian Jewry: http://tinyurl.com/hqymq

Whether Shabse/Szabtay/Shabtai was a well-known actor
or he was singled out in this article because his
profession in the Vilna ghetto is listed as "actor", I
have no idea. I also have no idea if any of these
sources know about my discoveries about his death in
Klooga. It is never mentioned anywhere. The Yad Vashem
display makes no mention of the Vilna Ghetto Theatre
either. I suspect the photographs were of actors from
this theatre.

However the source of BLIACHER's name for the US
Holocaust Museum's article must have been some
programmes that have survived which presumably list
names of actors as well as the Yiddish diaries of
Herman KRUK, the librarian of the Vilna ghetto:

<http://tinyurl.com/ew3bx>

Here you can read that KRUK too was transported to
Klooga [he was murdered elsewhere in Estonia], but had
meticulously recorded all aspects of life in the Vilna
ghetto including theatrical life.

The Vilna Ghetto Theatre has been immortalised in the
play "Ghetto", written by Israeli playwright Joshua
Sobol which celebrates the period 1941-1943 when this
little theatre "responded to despair with song,
satire, and amazingly, criticism of the Nazi regime
... proving that theatre can provide courage and hope
even amidst atrocity":
http://aboutmaria.com/ghetto.html

BLIACHER's Union membership card and the photograph of
his plucky little band of fellow actors fired my
imagination >from the moment I saw it.

Szabtay, I think would have been pleased about that -
how lucky it was that his membership card and
photographs were with him when he was so tragically
murdered. He will now be remembered by a far larger
audience, 62 years after his death.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Moderator's note: My I.E. browser had difficulty following the link
<http://tinyurl.com/ew3bx>
If readers have the same problem, try using:
<http://yivo.multimerge.com/dev/digital_exhibitions/index.php?mcid=73>


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Remembering Szabtay Bliacher - actor from the Jewish Theatre, Poland & the Vilna Ghetto Theatre. #yiddish

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I had never heard of Szabtay BLIACHER before Thursday
April 6th 2006. That is the day I visited Yad Vashem
in Jerusalem to deposit my Pages of Testimony [POT].
I entered the impressive new building - stopped to
look at a few minutes of film on the screen on the
backdrop wall and started on the long, long, sombre
journey through the displays.

My first stop was on the right at the dramatic photo
on the wall - it showed a pile of bodies and Russian
officers staring down at them. In front of the
photograph lies a small display case with articles,
papers, etc recovered >from the pockets of the tragic
victims. Some are charred at the edges.

For this is a photograph of the notorious Klooga camp
in Estonia where the Germans shot thousands and they
did not have time to burn many of the bodies before
the Russians arrived. Many documents were recovered
from the pockets of the victims - some were scorched.
The first group I looked at belonged to Szabtay
BLIACHER - there was a Card of the Union of Artists of
the Jewish Theatre, Poland. His Union Membership was
dated 15 May 1938 - No 285; issued at Warsaw Lezsno
Street No 2. The card was in English and French.

There were two or three cheerful photographs - some
looked as if they were of fellow actors. Szabtay had
kept these precious mementoes of his happy theatrical
life in his pocket right up to the the moment of his
murder. You can read about Klooga Camp here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klooga_concentration_camp

On the Yad Vashem website <http://www.yadvashem.org>

you can find a POT submitted in 1989 by his sister Lea
MILKOWSKI [the POT mistakenly says "brother", but I
have sent in a correction]. It reads: Shabtai BLIACHER
was born in Wilno, Poland in 1906 to Tzvi and Dina nee
GROS. He was an actor and married to Genia.

Szabtay's mother Dina [daughter of Mendel and Lea
GROS] and his older brother Mitia [born 1903], a
merchant married to Raya, also have a POT each.

The Vilna ghetto had an active theatrical group
[incorporating Yiddish theatre and cabaret] and Shabse
BLIACHER's name is mentioned on p. 41 of this article
from the US Holocaust Museum on the destruction of
Lithuanian Jewry: http://tinyurl.com/hqymq

Whether Shabse/Szabtay/Shabtai was a well-known actor
or he was singled out in this article because his
profession in the Vilna ghetto is listed as "actor", I
have no idea. I also have no idea if any of these
sources know about my discoveries about his death in
Klooga. It is never mentioned anywhere. The Yad Vashem
display makes no mention of the Vilna Ghetto Theatre
either. I suspect the photographs were of actors from
this theatre.

However the source of BLIACHER's name for the US
Holocaust Museum's article must have been some
programmes that have survived which presumably list
names of actors as well as the Yiddish diaries of
Herman KRUK, the librarian of the Vilna ghetto:

<http://tinyurl.com/ew3bx>

Here you can read that KRUK too was transported to
Klooga [he was murdered elsewhere in Estonia], but had
meticulously recorded all aspects of life in the Vilna
ghetto including theatrical life.

The Vilna Ghetto Theatre has been immortalised in the
play "Ghetto", written by Israeli playwright Joshua
Sobol which celebrates the period 1941-1943 when this
little theatre "responded to despair with song,
satire, and amazingly, criticism of the Nazi regime
... proving that theatre can provide courage and hope
even amidst atrocity":
http://aboutmaria.com/ghetto.html

BLIACHER's Union membership card and the photograph of
his plucky little band of fellow actors fired my
imagination >from the moment I saw it.

Szabtay, I think would have been pleased about that -
how lucky it was that his membership card and
photographs were with him when he was so tragically
murdered. He will now be remembered by a far larger
audience, 62 years after his death.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Moderator's note: My I.E. browser had difficulty following the link
<http://tinyurl.com/ew3bx>
If readers have the same problem, try using:
<http://yivo.multimerge.com/dev/digital_exhibitions/index.php?mcid=73>


Unruhstadt Death Records 1817 to 1874 #poland

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,
I have recently extracted the death records for Unruhstadt (now Kargowa in
Poland) >from LDS files.

The commonly occuring surnames >from the 358 entries are as follows:

BOAS 13
BUCCHOLZ 4
BURGHEIM 7
COHN 28
ERNSTHAL 7
FALEK (& SIMILAR) 5
JACOB 8
JOSEPH 4
LIPPMANN 7
LOESER 16
LOWENSTEIN 8
LOWENTHAL 7
MEYER 14
MOSES 4
NEUBAUER 4
PACH 9
PHILLIP 7
REITZENBAUM 6
STERN 9
WOLFF 21
ZIRKER 4

As I am not very skilled at reading the old German script I am sure that
there may be some errors amongst this data. So, I would be very pleased to
hear >from anyone that may have an interest in proofreading my work so that
eventually it can be put onto the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database
for all to access.

I also have the birth records for the same time period and marriages >from
1817 to 1847 for this town. Any offers of assistance will be very happily
accepted. Any general enquires regarding these names will also be answered
as time permits.

Regards

Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne

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JRI Poland #Poland Unruhstadt Death Records 1817 to 1874 #poland

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,
I have recently extracted the death records for Unruhstadt (now Kargowa in
Poland) >from LDS files.

The commonly occuring surnames >from the 358 entries are as follows:

BOAS 13
BUCCHOLZ 4
BURGHEIM 7
COHN 28
ERNSTHAL 7
FALEK (& SIMILAR) 5
JACOB 8
JOSEPH 4
LIPPMANN 7
LOESER 16
LOWENSTEIN 8
LOWENTHAL 7
MEYER 14
MOSES 4
NEUBAUER 4
PACH 9
PHILLIP 7
REITZENBAUM 6
STERN 9
WOLFF 21
ZIRKER 4

As I am not very skilled at reading the old German script I am sure that
there may be some errors amongst this data. So, I would be very pleased to
hear >from anyone that may have an interest in proofreading my work so that
eventually it can be put onto the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database
for all to access.

I also have the birth records for the same time period and marriages >from
1817 to 1847 for this town. Any offers of assistance will be very happily
accepted. Any general enquires regarding these names will also be answered
as time permits.

Regards

Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne

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immigration question #lithuania

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Hello all!
Fred Klein asked:

Would anyone know what was involved in bringing a family member to the
US >from Poland during the 1930's ?

My family was brought over >from Poland in 1939. My mother's brother, my
uncle, had to post a bond of $10,000 for each family member and we had
to have been in good health and with a provision of a means of support
(my Dad was a blacksmith in Poland, so my Uncle thought a farm would be
a good place for him to work and that's how we found ourselves in rural
Illinois). We thus met the test for immigrants vouched for so as "not
to be a burden" on the US government!

Incidentally, our departure >from Gdansk and arrival at NY Port saved us
from the Holocaust. It was May, just 4 months prior to the outbreak of
the War on the Jews and we had, I believe, taken the last ship out of that
Nazi port of departure.

Our citizenship took a few years longer to complete as I was only 2 years
old at the time. I still have a photo of the swearing-in ceremony in a
Chicago Federal Court in 1946, the final step for a naturalized immigrant
granted citizenship.

Avigdor Ben-Dov (Rutkiewicz)
Director of Special Projects
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
POB 513
Kedumim, Israel


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania immigration question #lithuania

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Hello all!
Fred Klein asked:

Would anyone know what was involved in bringing a family member to the
US >from Poland during the 1930's ?

My family was brought over >from Poland in 1939. My mother's brother, my
uncle, had to post a bond of $10,000 for each family member and we had
to have been in good health and with a provision of a means of support
(my Dad was a blacksmith in Poland, so my Uncle thought a farm would be
a good place for him to work and that's how we found ourselves in rural
Illinois). We thus met the test for immigrants vouched for so as "not
to be a burden" on the US government!

Incidentally, our departure >from Gdansk and arrival at NY Port saved us
from the Holocaust. It was May, just 4 months prior to the outbreak of
the War on the Jews and we had, I believe, taken the last ship out of that
Nazi port of departure.

Our citizenship took a few years longer to complete as I was only 2 years
old at the time. I still have a photo of the swearing-in ceremony in a
Chicago Federal Court in 1946, the final step for a naturalized immigrant
granted citizenship.

Avigdor Ben-Dov (Rutkiewicz)
Director of Special Projects
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
POB 513
Kedumim, Israel


Re: Svir, Kurenitz, Dolginovo ( was in Vilna region - now in Belarus) - RABINOWITZ & WEINER #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Last summer I visited Kurenets, Dolginovo and Svir. They are located about
half way between Vilnius and Minsk on the side of Belarus. Until the First
World war it was part of the Russian empire, Vilna region. The Vilna region
was part of Poland >from 1921 to 1939.
Many of the natives of Kurenets settled in New Haven (some Skolnicks also).

If you go to the site I created http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/ you'll
find many pictures and stories of Kurenitzers in New Haven if you click on
the Kurenets site. I also have a site for Dolh(g)inovo. While visiting
Kurenets as the guest of the head of the region (A non Jew who visited
Israel, as a guest of Kurenets native who live there!) I found out that the
house that belonged to my grandfathers' family until the war, was for sale.
With the help of Yury Dorn of Minsk, I now own the house in the name of
Jewish Heritage of Belarus (it had to be in the name of a Belarisian
citizen). I plan to make it a Museum. it will contain pictures and stories
of Kurenitzers (and others >from near by shtetls) who lived and perished
there as well as Kurenitzers who left to other places. I would love to
include your family pictures and stories.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
California

http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/ for pictures (site dedicated to the
memory of the Jews exterminated and displaced >from Shtetls, Kurenets,
Volozhin, Vishnevo and 46 other shtetls).

On 4/10/06, Arnold Rabinowitz <Arnold.Rabinowitz@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking for relatives who had emigrated earlier (or later) than dates
shown
Emigrated >from Dolginovo + Kurenitz (1904+1906) - lived & died in New
Haven,CT:


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Svir, Kurenitz, Dolginovo ( was in Vilna region - now in Belarus) - RABINOWITZ & WEINER #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Last summer I visited Kurenets, Dolginovo and Svir. They are located about
half way between Vilnius and Minsk on the side of Belarus. Until the First
World war it was part of the Russian empire, Vilna region. The Vilna region
was part of Poland >from 1921 to 1939.
Many of the natives of Kurenets settled in New Haven (some Skolnicks also).

If you go to the site I created http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/ you'll
find many pictures and stories of Kurenitzers in New Haven if you click on
the Kurenets site. I also have a site for Dolh(g)inovo. While visiting
Kurenets as the guest of the head of the region (A non Jew who visited
Israel, as a guest of Kurenets native who live there!) I found out that the
house that belonged to my grandfathers' family until the war, was for sale.
With the help of Yury Dorn of Minsk, I now own the house in the name of
Jewish Heritage of Belarus (it had to be in the name of a Belarisian
citizen). I plan to make it a Museum. it will contain pictures and stories
of Kurenitzers (and others >from near by shtetls) who lived and perished
there as well as Kurenitzers who left to other places. I would love to
include your family pictures and stories.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
California

http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/ for pictures (site dedicated to the
memory of the Jews exterminated and displaced >from Shtetls, Kurenets,
Volozhin, Vishnevo and 46 other shtetls).

On 4/10/06, Arnold Rabinowitz <Arnold.Rabinowitz@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking for relatives who had emigrated earlier (or later) than dates
shown
Emigrated >from Dolginovo + Kurenitz (1904+1906) - lived & died in New
Haven,CT:


Looking for Private Researcher in Lithuania #lithuania

Andrew <ajaffe111@...>
 

We are interested in hiring a private researcher for help with
genealogical research in Lithuania. We'd prefer someone based in
Lithuania (Vilnius or elsewhere). Our ancestors lived in the Panevezys
(in the northeast) region of Lithuania, near Roskisis. The period we're
interested in is 1880s through 1920s. Among other areas we hope to get
support in, one particular request for the researcher would be to search
the vital records in the Lithuanian archives. We've contacted several
researchers whose names we found on various Jewish genealogical research
group lists, but unfortunately none have responded to us. We'd very much
appreciate if you could share with us any suggestions / personal
experiences you might have on hiring private genealogical researchers
in Lithuania.

Thank you very much.
Andrew Jaffe,
USAajaffe111@excite.com

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private researchers.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Looking for Private Researcher in Lithuania #lithuania

Andrew <ajaffe111@...>
 

We are interested in hiring a private researcher for help with
genealogical research in Lithuania. We'd prefer someone based in
Lithuania (Vilnius or elsewhere). Our ancestors lived in the Panevezys
(in the northeast) region of Lithuania, near Roskisis. The period we're
interested in is 1880s through 1920s. Among other areas we hope to get
support in, one particular request for the researcher would be to search
the vital records in the Lithuanian archives. We've contacted several
researchers whose names we found on various Jewish genealogical research
group lists, but unfortunately none have responded to us. We'd very much
appreciate if you could share with us any suggestions / personal
experiences you might have on hiring private genealogical researchers
in Lithuania.

Thank you very much.
Andrew Jaffe,
USAajaffe111@excite.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with any suggestions for
private researchers.


Re: Society burial plots and false assumptions #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

I strongly second Steven Lasky's statements on how people buried in a
particular landsmanshaft or other society's cemetery plot may not be
associated with that town or ogranization, and I want to add another
reason for it -- many societies sold individual or pairs of graves to
"outsiders" as their membership declined. They usually did (or do) so
because they realized that they had a lot of space that would go otherwise
unused and as way of raising money as their revenue >from membership dues
declined. Some groups probably started this practice regulary as early as
the 1960's, and occasionally did it even earlier, although the actual
deaths may have occurred much later.

Note that this is technically against the standard agreement between
the cemetery and the landsmanshaft or other organization, which among
other things allows groups to bury only their members and immediate family
in their plot.

So even if you determine that somebody was indeed buried at a time that
a landsmanshaft owned a particular plot and was still active, you can't be
sure that they were connected with that town or organization based only on
that type of information, especially if the death occurred during the
group's waning years. Like all other secondary information, other
documentation counts.

A Chag Kasher V'sameach (happy and kosher-P holiday) to everybody.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Society burial plots and false assumptions #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

I strongly second Steven Lasky's statements on how people buried in a
particular landsmanshaft or other society's cemetery plot may not be
associated with that town or ogranization, and I want to add another
reason for it -- many societies sold individual or pairs of graves to
"outsiders" as their membership declined. They usually did (or do) so
because they realized that they had a lot of space that would go otherwise
unused and as way of raising money as their revenue >from membership dues
declined. Some groups probably started this practice regulary as early as
the 1960's, and occasionally did it even earlier, although the actual
deaths may have occurred much later.

Note that this is technically against the standard agreement between
the cemetery and the landsmanshaft or other organization, which among
other things allows groups to bury only their members and immediate family
in their plot.

So even if you determine that somebody was indeed buried at a time that
a landsmanshaft owned a particular plot and was still active, you can't be
sure that they were connected with that town or organization based only on
that type of information, especially if the death occurred during the
group's waning years. Like all other secondary information, other
documentation counts.

A Chag Kasher V'sameach (happy and kosher-P holiday) to everybody.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.