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Viewmate old German script interpretation #general

joseph just
 

I've posted three records that I need help reading. For the two birth
records I can't figure out the mother's name. For the marriage record
I would like help reading the groom's first name and his mother's
name.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66863
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66862
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66861

Thanks for your help.

Sarah Just

Moderator Note: Please respond either directly to Sarah via email or via ViewMate.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate old German script interpretation #general

joseph just
 

I've posted three records that I need help reading. For the two birth
records I can't figure out the mother's name. For the marriage record
I would like help reading the groom's first name and his mother's
name.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66863
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66862
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66861

Thanks for your help.

Sarah Just

Moderator Note: Please respond either directly to Sarah via email or via ViewMate.


Re: Registration Lists #belarus

Matthew Klionsky <klionsky@...>
 

Thanks to all the people who replied, both privately and through this list-serv,
to my query about interpretation of Registration Numbers on Belarus Revision Lists. These responses have led me to conclude that there seems to be a general consensus (among those who sound like they've previously researched this same question), w/r/t the following relevant points:
a) Registration numbers should, as in the original documents, be reported in
their own fields and not in the 'comments' field.
b) Registration numbers are list-specific, so the fact that different people
have the same number should have no implications for the chance that they're
closely related UNLESS those numbers each appear on the same list (i.e., a list
from the same place with the same date)
c) Registration numbers MAY have some cross-list significance, because
sometimes a list will specify both 'current registration number' and prior
registration number'. People with the same prior number (>from the same prior list)
ARE probably closely related.
d) Registration numbers on Revision Lists designated as 'additional RLs'
probably bear less significance as genealogical clues than the numbers appearing
on the major RLs.

Matthew Klionsky
Chicago











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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re:Registration Lists #belarus

Matthew Klionsky <klionsky@...>
 

Thanks to all the people who replied, both privately and through this list-serv,
to my query about interpretation of Registration Numbers on Belarus Revision Lists. These responses have led me to conclude that there seems to be a general consensus (among those who sound like they've previously researched this same question), w/r/t the following relevant points:
a) Registration numbers should, as in the original documents, be reported in
their own fields and not in the 'comments' field.
b) Registration numbers are list-specific, so the fact that different people
have the same number should have no implications for the chance that they're
closely related UNLESS those numbers each appear on the same list (i.e., a list
from the same place with the same date)
c) Registration numbers MAY have some cross-list significance, because
sometimes a list will specify both 'current registration number' and prior
registration number'. People with the same prior number (>from the same prior list)
ARE probably closely related.
d) Registration numbers on Revision Lists designated as 'additional RLs'
probably bear less significance as genealogical clues than the numbers appearing
on the major RLs.

Matthew Klionsky
Chicago











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Progress on Bessarabia Cemetery projects, May, 2018 #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear Researchers,

You may see the list of Jewish cemeteries in Bessarabia/Moldova at the
Bessarabia SIG Website, Cemetery section, or directly at
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/Inventory201803-March.ht
m

Here are a number of projects we recently completed, and some are progress:

- Vadul-Rashkov - completed about half of the cemetery, sent to JOWBR; also
in Phase 2 received more than 1700 images for the second half of the
cemetery. We will work on it in the coming months;
- Rashkov - completed and sent to JOWBR;
- Akkerman- completed and sent to JOWBR;
- Novoselitsa - in progress, will be ready by the end of this month;

- Reni - photographer will go there later this year
- Vertuzheni - planning to photograph in 2018-19
- Zguritsa - planning to photograph in 2018-19
- Klishkivtsi, Novoselitsa - planning to photograph in 2018-19

- Brichany - this is our first Cemetery Clearing paths, cleaning projects.
You can see the outline of the project at
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/projectdesc/DB_Briceni2.htm
We have photographed and indexed this cemetery several years ago, but there
was a large section at the cemetery where our photographer could go. The
graves are in a forest. The team of 4 people went there and worked 4 days,
and completed only half of the work. I got a call >from Brichany yesterday
from the leader of this group telling that there are most likely twice as
much graves, than he estimated after the Phase 1, and the work is so hard
that it takes time and energy for 4 people to work 10+ hours a day. Here
are couple of images of gravestones they recover already - the ornamentation
is terrific!

https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/briceni/Phase2/IMG_20180
522_101720.jpg

https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/briceni/Phase2/IMG_20180
522_102611.jpg

It is possible that the amount we have now collected will not be enough to
finish the work in Briceni. I encourage you to donate to the Briceni,
Moldova - Jewish Cemetery (Phase II). You can find at
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=4
3

After we complete Briceni, we will organize similar clearing paths projects
at Ataki, and several other places.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania, KOGAN in Dubossary, Moldova, SRULEVICH in Shanghai, China


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Progress on Bessarabia Cemetery projects, May, 2018 #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear Researchers,

You may see the list of Jewish cemeteries in Bessarabia/Moldova at the
Bessarabia SIG Website, Cemetery section, or directly at
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/Inventory201803-March.ht
m

Here are a number of projects we recently completed, and some are progress:

- Vadul-Rashkov - completed about half of the cemetery, sent to JOWBR; also
in Phase 2 received more than 1700 images for the second half of the
cemetery. We will work on it in the coming months;
- Rashkov - completed and sent to JOWBR;
- Akkerman- completed and sent to JOWBR;
- Novoselitsa - in progress, will be ready by the end of this month;

- Reni - photographer will go there later this year
- Vertuzheni - planning to photograph in 2018-19
- Zguritsa - planning to photograph in 2018-19
- Klishkivtsi, Novoselitsa - planning to photograph in 2018-19

- Brichany - this is our first Cemetery Clearing paths, cleaning projects.
You can see the outline of the project at
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/projectdesc/DB_Briceni2.htm
We have photographed and indexed this cemetery several years ago, but there
was a large section at the cemetery where our photographer could go. The
graves are in a forest. The team of 4 people went there and worked 4 days,
and completed only half of the work. I got a call >from Brichany yesterday
from the leader of this group telling that there are most likely twice as
much graves, than he estimated after the Phase 1, and the work is so hard
that it takes time and energy for 4 people to work 10+ hours a day. Here
are couple of images of gravestones they recover already - the ornamentation
is terrific!

https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/briceni/Phase2/IMG_20180
522_101720.jpg

https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/briceni/Phase2/IMG_20180
522_102611.jpg

It is possible that the amount we have now collected will not be enough to
finish the work in Briceni. I encourage you to donate to the Briceni,
Moldova - Jewish Cemetery (Phase II). You can find at
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=4
3

After we complete Briceni, we will organize similar clearing paths projects
at Ataki, and several other places.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania, KOGAN in Dubossary, Moldova, SRULEVICH in Shanghai, China


Y-DNA Haplogroup: J-M92 #dna

Rashi Rosenzweig
 

Greetings >from Israel DNA-Genners!

Got a tribal-oriented question for the guys -- for those of you
cousins who are in my Y-DNA haplogroup, which ones of you are either
Cohen, Levi or Yisrael? Furthermore are any of you with the last name
"Rosenzweig"?

Looking forward to your answers. Have a great day everyone!!

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL

Searching for: ROSENZWEIG, LICHTENBERG, YUSAM (Starokonstantinyv,
Ukraine ; Odessa, Ukraine)

FEIGENBAUM, ALTMAN, ZYGMOND, BEHRMAN, KRAUGZTENGEL, FRENKEL, KOLB
(Lublin, Kamarow)


DNA Research #DNA Y-DNA Haplogroup: J-M92 #dna

Rashi Rosenzweig
 

Greetings >from Israel DNA-Genners!

Got a tribal-oriented question for the guys -- for those of you
cousins who are in my Y-DNA haplogroup, which ones of you are either
Cohen, Levi or Yisrael? Furthermore are any of you with the last name
"Rosenzweig"?

Looking forward to your answers. Have a great day everyone!!

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL

Searching for: ROSENZWEIG, LICHTENBERG, YUSAM (Starokonstantinyv,
Ukraine ; Odessa, Ukraine)

FEIGENBAUM, ALTMAN, ZYGMOND, BEHRMAN, KRAUGZTENGEL, FRENKEL, KOLB
(Lublin, Kamarow)


DNA Research #DNA X-matches to cousins #dna

Sandy Crystall
 

Genners-

I am confused about X-matches in autosomal DNA (tested with
FTDNA/Family Finder). I have three first cousins (siblings) >from the
same family. The two female cousins are X-matches to me, but the one
male cousin (third sibling) is not an X-match. Shouldn't they all be
X-matches?

Thank you!

Sandy Crystall
New Hampshire

Researching: CHARNAM(?), SOBEL, PASTERNAK, GLECKEL, STUTMAN, WILLIK-
Belozerka, Ukraine; GREENBERG/ GLASS- Grodno, Belarus; CRYSTAL,
KRISTAL- Latvia/Lithuania (Riga/Sirvintos/Zagare?); SHERMAN- London,
England: Pasvalys, Lithuania; Bauska, Latvia; Melbourne, Australia;
Brooklyn, NY; Baltimore, Maryland; Chicago, Illinois; Los Angeles,
California; KAPITNIK- Belarus; KATZENBURG- South Africa

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Belozerka/


X-matches to cousins #dna

Sandy Crystall
 
Edited

Genners-

I am confused about X-matches in autosomal DNA (tested with
FTDNA/Family Finder). I have three first cousins (siblings) >from the
same family. The two female cousins are X-matches to me, but the one
male cousin (third sibling) is not an X-match. Shouldn't they all be
X-matches?

Thank you! Sandy Crystall New Hampshire http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Belozerka/


JGS of Greater Philadelphia - May 2018 Meeting #general

Lois Sernoff
 

JGS of Greater Philadelphia - May 2018 Meeting

Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:30 PM

Location: Reform Congregation Keneseth Israel
8339 Old York Road, Elkins Park, PA 19027
(Corner of Old York Road and Township Line Road)

Speaker: Ron Arons, Author and Speaker
Topic: Sex, Lies, and Genealogical Tape

Over the past 20 years, Ron has given 450+ presentations re methodology and
technology. He has authored three books, including The Jews of Sing Sing,
WANTED! U.S. Criminal Records, and Mind Maps for Genealogy. In 2006 he
appeared on the PBS TV series The Jewish Americans, talking about Jewish
criminals on Manhattan's Lower East Side. That same year he won a research
grant >from the New York State Archives to continue he research on the topic
of Jewish criminals in New York City. Ron earned a B.S. in Engineering from
Princeton and an MBA >from the University of Chicago.

Most genealogists focus their efforts on collecting names, dates, and places
to grow and expand their family tree as much as possible. This is quite
natural. However, a much different experience can be had by focusing one's
efforts on one ancestor at a time. By doing so, one can go beyond the
questions: Who?, When?, and Where?. One can explore the far more interesting
and powerful questions, WHY? and HOW? Why did our ancestors act the way that
they did? How did their behavior have an impact on us? Individual-focused
genealogy provides additionalinsights not into ancestors' lives but our own
lives as well.

The truly unexpected benefit of this approach is that it broke down brick
walls, allowing the speaker to push back his family tree another four
generations. (Truly remarkable.) It also exposed the speaker to all sorts of
records he might not have explored otherwise.

Mentors will be available >from 1:00-1:30 PM to help with your research
efforts.

JGSGP website http://www.jgsgp.org is now available with latest news,
upcoming meeting notices, and links to Philadelphia resources.

We can also be found on Facebook.

Please note that JGSGP has a Speaker's Bureau which is available to local
groups on the various subjects concerning genealogy.

Lois Sernoff [JGSGreaterPhiladelphia]
<JGLois@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Greater Philadelphia - May 2018 Meeting #general

Lois Sernoff
 

JGS of Greater Philadelphia - May 2018 Meeting

Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:30 PM

Location: Reform Congregation Keneseth Israel
8339 Old York Road, Elkins Park, PA 19027
(Corner of Old York Road and Township Line Road)

Speaker: Ron Arons, Author and Speaker
Topic: Sex, Lies, and Genealogical Tape

Over the past 20 years, Ron has given 450+ presentations re methodology and
technology. He has authored three books, including The Jews of Sing Sing,
WANTED! U.S. Criminal Records, and Mind Maps for Genealogy. In 2006 he
appeared on the PBS TV series The Jewish Americans, talking about Jewish
criminals on Manhattan's Lower East Side. That same year he won a research
grant >from the New York State Archives to continue he research on the topic
of Jewish criminals in New York City. Ron earned a B.S. in Engineering from
Princeton and an MBA >from the University of Chicago.

Most genealogists focus their efforts on collecting names, dates, and places
to grow and expand their family tree as much as possible. This is quite
natural. However, a much different experience can be had by focusing one's
efforts on one ancestor at a time. By doing so, one can go beyond the
questions: Who?, When?, and Where?. One can explore the far more interesting
and powerful questions, WHY? and HOW? Why did our ancestors act the way that
they did? How did their behavior have an impact on us? Individual-focused
genealogy provides additionalinsights not into ancestors' lives but our own
lives as well.

The truly unexpected benefit of this approach is that it broke down brick
walls, allowing the speaker to push back his family tree another four
generations. (Truly remarkable.) It also exposed the speaker to all sorts of
records he might not have explored otherwise.

Mentors will be available >from 1:00-1:30 PM to help with your research
efforts.

JGSGP website http://www.jgsgp.org is now available with latest news,
upcoming meeting notices, and links to Philadelphia resources.

We can also be found on Facebook.

Please note that JGSGP has a Speaker's Bureau which is available to local
groups on the various subjects concerning genealogy.

Lois Sernoff [JGSGreaterPhiladelphia]
<JGLois@...>


Granov 1875 Census Translation Project #ukraine

Rhoda Miller
 

A new project, now open for donations, will raise funds for translation of
927 pages of images >from the 1875 Jewish census of Granov, Gaisin
district, Podolia guberniya. This census is a list of Jews assigned to
the town of Teplick, but living in Granov.

Although assigned to Teplik, these Jews are living in Hraniv (Granov).
In the Russian Empire, people were registered in a particular town or
district, but had the ability to live in another town. Although they
might have lived in a town different >from their registration, revision
lists (Russian census) listed them in the town of registration. That
location is where a family=E2=80=99s official records were maintained.

Column headings of the 1875 Jewish census are as follows:
- Family number by order
- Family number by revision list
- Surname, name, patronymic (males only)
- Age according to the revision list or assignment
- Where persons were staying at the day of census

Other towns are mentioned throughout this census. For example, one
random entry reads "Cresides in roadside tavern in the village of
Tsvilikhovka" and another mentions Lukasheva, both nearby towns. It
is for this reason, that the 1875 census of the Jews is a valuable
document. Family members might be residing in a different town which
could be identified on this census.

These records have not been filmed. They were privately purchased by a
group of researchers: Linda Jones Gibbs, Julie Halperson, Rhoda
Miller, and Michael Richman. There are 927 images representing
approximately 464 pages of records as each record is a double
page.Funds raised for this project will be used to translate the
records, entering them into a JewishGen spreadsheet template, and to
prepare the data for posting to the JewishGen Ukraine Database. The
spreadsheets will be available to contributors of $100 or more before
the data becomes available on the JewishGen Ukraine Database. To
donate, go to https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.as=
p?project_cat=3D22

For more information, please go to:
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/projectdesc/DB_Hraniv.html

I hope that you will consider donating to this new project. I hope
that those of you with Granov ancestry will contact me and work with me to
remember this town and the people who lived there.

Thank you in advance for your support.
Rhoda Miller
Granov (Hraniv) Town Leader
Ukraine SIG
Babylon, NY

Researching CHOLODOWSKY, SALOWE (Granov, Odessa, Ukraine)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Granov 1875 Census Translation Project #ukraine

Rhoda Miller
 

A new project, now open for donations, will raise funds for translation of
927 pages of images >from the 1875 Jewish census of Granov, Gaisin
district, Podolia guberniya. This census is a list of Jews assigned to
the town of Teplick, but living in Granov.

Although assigned to Teplik, these Jews are living in Hraniv (Granov).
In the Russian Empire, people were registered in a particular town or
district, but had the ability to live in another town. Although they
might have lived in a town different >from their registration, revision
lists (Russian census) listed them in the town of registration. That
location is where a family=E2=80=99s official records were maintained.

Column headings of the 1875 Jewish census are as follows:
- Family number by order
- Family number by revision list
- Surname, name, patronymic (males only)
- Age according to the revision list or assignment
- Where persons were staying at the day of census

Other towns are mentioned throughout this census. For example, one
random entry reads "Cresides in roadside tavern in the village of
Tsvilikhovka" and another mentions Lukasheva, both nearby towns. It
is for this reason, that the 1875 census of the Jews is a valuable
document. Family members might be residing in a different town which
could be identified on this census.

These records have not been filmed. They were privately purchased by a
group of researchers: Linda Jones Gibbs, Julie Halperson, Rhoda
Miller, and Michael Richman. There are 927 images representing
approximately 464 pages of records as each record is a double
page.Funds raised for this project will be used to translate the
records, entering them into a JewishGen spreadsheet template, and to
prepare the data for posting to the JewishGen Ukraine Database. The
spreadsheets will be available to contributors of $100 or more before
the data becomes available on the JewishGen Ukraine Database. To
donate, go to https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.as=
p?project_cat=3D22

For more information, please go to:
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/projectdesc/DB_Hraniv.html

I hope that you will consider donating to this new project. I hope
that those of you with Granov ancestry will contact me and work with me to
remember this town and the people who lived there.

Thank you in advance for your support.
Rhoda Miller
Granov (Hraniv) Town Leader
Ukraine SIG
Babylon, NY

Researching CHOLODOWSKY, SALOWE (Granov, Odessa, Ukraine)


Kamenetz Podolsky #ukraine

Chaim Luria
 

Does anyone know where to get data for Kamenetz Podolsky? I could not find
anything on JewishGen.

Regards,

Chaim


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kamenetz Podolsky #ukraine

Chaim Luria
 

Does anyone know where to get data for Kamenetz Podolsky? I could not find
anything on JewishGen.

Regards,

Chaim


Re: Your thoughts on birthplace variations listed in US Census forms #general

Joel Weintraub
 

The answer to any query about what is put down as answers to questions on
US Census forms is to look at the set of instructions given to the census
enumerators. Those are all online (1850 through 1950) at
https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml

Of course that assumes the census taker follows the formal guidelines!!

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Your thoughts on birthplace variations listed in US Census forms #general

Joel Weintraub
 

The answer to any query about what is put down as answers to questions on
US Census forms is to look at the set of instructions given to the census
enumerators. Those are all online (1850 through 1950) at
https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml

Of course that assumes the census taker follows the formal guidelines!!

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA


Family research: Davidovici/Davidovich from Izmail #bessarabia

Gerbian Dissey <highgerman@...>
 

Dear Group.

I am starting research on my family which originated >from Izmail. I do
not have a lot to go on. It starts with Itzhak David
Davidovic/Davidovichi who might have owned a lumber business and who I
believe married one Hanna Davicovic of whom I do not know the maiden
name. They had two kids, Kitza and Mia. I am a descendant of Mia, who
was my grandmother and of her son, Vladimir.

I have contacted the Chabad community Odessa for more info and their
affiliate in Izmail, but I would be happy if anyone on this mailing
list has more info.

I am also going to Izmail hopefully this weekend (I do live in
Bulgaria currently, which is "just" 600km away). Please let me know if
there is anything I can do for you in Izmail, e.g. taking photographs.

Kind regards,

Martin


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Fwd: Family research: Davidovici/Davidovich from Izmail #bessarabia

Gerbian Dissey <highgerman@...>
 

Dear Group.

I am starting research on my family which originated >from Izmail. I do
not have a lot to go on. It starts with Itzhak David
Davidovic/Davidovichi who might have owned a lumber business and who I
believe married one Hanna Davicovic of whom I do not know the maiden
name. They had two kids, Kitza and Mia. I am a descendant of Mia, who
was my grandmother and of her son, Vladimir.

I have contacted the Chabad community Odessa for more info and their
affiliate in Izmail, but I would be happy if anyone on this mailing
list has more info.

I am also going to Izmail hopefully this weekend (I do live in
Bulgaria currently, which is "just" 600km away). Please let me know if
there is anything I can do for you in Izmail, e.g. taking photographs.

Kind regards,

Martin