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Re: My JABLOW Family from Minsk #belarus #names

je_sternberg@...
 

The Jablow Family in my tree came from Strassburg, Germany (at the time). Strassburg is right on the border with Poland and flip-flopped country many times. Their original name was Jablonowski. You could try that name.
-Judith Rapaport Sternberg
Boise, Idaho


Re: WWII Evacuees LitvakSIG record #lithuania #records

Carol Hoffman
 

Road to Victory was translated from Yiddish to Hebrew to English. The English edition is will embellishments; it is purchasable at Avotaynu https://www.avotaynu.com/books/RoadToVictory.htm

Carol Hoffman


looking for the marriage document between Moszek SZER and Kajla KERSZBLUM #poland #translation

Jacques Klein
 

Is there someone able to make a search for me.
i am looking for the marriage document between Moszek SZER and Kajla KERSZBLUM held on Zolkiewka in 1887.
The record is in Fond 789 Zamosc Archive act 13. And if possible a translation in English of the main points of interest.
Thanks
Jacques Klein
Paris, France

 


Looking for Weiss family from Romania or France #france

IWSeldin@...
 

I am looking for relatives of my grandfather Morris
Weiss (May have been Cohen in Europe) born in Kirkakoy, Turkey 1868, lived in Iasi Romania, then Paris France 1890-96. He had two older siblings who remained in Paris. My grandfather came to New York, USA in 1896. Looking for possible family who survived WW 2 or descendants.

Isabel Seldin
New York


Cultural Questions Regarding Ancient Jewish Genealogies #general

YaleZuss@...
 

In the ancient world, "genealogies" were usually offered to establish the legitimacy of a ruler.  When such a genealogy states that X was the son of Y who was the son of Z, the purpose was to show that since Z was a legitimate ruler (endorsed by the gods, for example), X is entitled to be recognized as legitimate as well.  This doesn't mean that the genealogical connection, as we understand it today, was false, but whether it actually was genetically correct wasn't a concern.
 
Yale Zussman


Re: Where Was Wilkennie, Russia? #russia #names

Dr.Josef ASH
 

In Lithuania there is the town Vilkiya. some 20 km N to Kovno (you have this town in your list as well)
My dear wife is from Kovno. she tells "vilkas" is the Lythuanian (and Belarussian вилк) for wolf. There are Vilyaka, Vilkishkaj.
Josef ASH, Israel


What port when leaving Europe #hungary

Lee Hover
 

My great grandparents left Hungary (supposedly lived in Budapest)  about 1882.  What port were they likely to have used?

Lee MESSING Hover
Lacey, WA


Re: Where Was Wilkennie, Russia? #russia #names

Susan&David
 



David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 9/2/2020 8:41 AM, Carl Kaplan via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I found my grandmother's brother's 1911 naturalization papers (online), and attached them. He put down that he was born in Wilkennie, Russia. I have never heard of it, and couldn't find it in a search. Any ideas? Thanks.
--
Carl Kaplan




Re: Naturalizations France #france

tsuri@...
 

Does anyone know how to find naturalization requests that were not actually awarded prior to deportation?
i know that my father in-law filed a request in the 1936-1939 time frame.  He was deported in 1943. 


Tsuri Bernstein


Re: Does anyone have information about last names in Russia #poland #names #holocaust

David Lewin
 

At 14:34 02/09/2020, Sarah L Meyer wrote:
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Does anyone have information about last
names in Russia #holocaust #poland #names
To: main@...
From: "Sarah L Meyer" <sarahlmeyer@...>

Please look up Alexander Beider's book Jewish Surnames from the
Russian Empire. It is available on Avotaynu.com or may be available
through inter-library.com

--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern
Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com

To whom are you responding ? 

I have the Beider book and can look up

David Lewin
London


Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

abqsuttle@...
 

I know someone who is of Persian background (non-Jewish) whose name is Maryam. I've always assumed it was a variation of Miriam, not a nickname. My late aunt who was killed in the Holocaust was named Mirjam (German spelling) and her family's nickname for her was Malli.

Denise Suttle


Re: Does anyone have information about last names in Russia #poland #names #holocaust

Sarah L Meyer
 

Please look up Alexander Beider's book Jewish Surnames from the Russian Empire.  It is available on Avotaynu.com or may be available through inter-library.com

--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Susan Sorkenn
 

My great-aunt Miriam was nicknamed Mae. She was Mae to everyone.

Susan Sorkenn


Re: Best program for large format printable 10 generation family tree chart #general

Russ Maurer
 

It seems to me, whatever language keyboard you have set would be the language that any genealogy program would take. Am I missing something? I just tried it out with GenoPro, the tree program I use, and had no problem using Hebrew by selecting a Hebrew keyboard through the system language setting (this is on a windows box).

As for a large format printout, GenoPro doesn't do fan charts. But if you are ever interested in a traditional tree (ancestors at the top), I have made such printouts from GenoPro by printing to a pdf file with custom dimensions, which I then print at a copy shop that has a banner printer.

Russ Maurer


Where Was Wilkennie, Russia? #russia #names

Carl Kaplan
 

I found my grandmother's brother's 1911 naturalization papers (online), and attached them. He put down that he was born in Wilkennie, Russia. I have never heard of it, and couldn't find it in a search. Any ideas? Thanks.
--
Carl Kaplan

KAPLAN Minsk, Belarus
EDELSON, EDINBURG Kovno, Lithuania
HOFFERT, BIENSTOCK< BIENENSTOCK Kolbuszowa, Galicia
STEINBERG, KLINGER, WEISSBERG, APPELBERG Bukaczowce, Galicia


Zoommeeting Geni.com - Good for the Sephardim? #sephardic #announcements #events

Ton Tielen
 

Meeting - Sunday 6th September 2020

 

Geni.com aims to build a collaborative family tree of humanity. Many love it. Others - notably Sephardic genealogists - complain that enthusiasts and fantasists on Geni confuse individuals and mangle their family trees.

 

To discuss Geni - the good, the bad, and the ugly - and what might be done to make it more Sephardic-friendly, we welcome one of its principle advocates, Randy Schoenberg. We shall also be joined by Jarrett Ross (the GeneaVlogger, Geni curator and IAJGS Board member) and Jacob Marrache (of Adafina genealogy and a Geni curator). We hope that those with issues with Geni will also join us.

 

Collaborative genealogy has great potential, especially for Sephardic genealogy where there are so many ancestors with similar names. Can we make it better?

 

Topic: Geni.com - Good for the Sephardim?

Time: Sunday Sept 6th, 2020 07:00 PM London (This is 7pm British summer time; GMT +1, which is 2pm in New York)

 

Join Zoom Meeting

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/87535631121

 

Our supporters on Patreon help cover our costs. If you can make a small monthly donation, it would be much appreciated. https://www.patreon.com/sephardi

 

If you can't get into the Zoom meeting, there is an overflow on Facebook. We can't broadcast live on YouTube until we have a 1,000 subscribers. Please help us by clicking here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpz6pgNSg_KWP-4KbErjU2g. It costs you nothing!

 

Best wishes,

 

Ton Tielen and David Mendoza

Sephardic World


Re: How To Document A (Given) Name Change #names

Judy Floam
 

My father-in-law changed his name from Sylvan to Sidney.   He continued to use Sylvan on legal documents but otherwise was known as Sidney.

 

Judy Floam


Re: Cultural Questions Regarding Ancient Jewish Genealogies #general

Jeremy Lichtman
 

Hi David,

A rabbi might be able to answer these questions better, simply because the primary sources here are religious - whatever we can extrapolate about actual practice from the Torah (i.e. 5 Books of Moses, Prophets and Writings), as well as later references to earlier traditions in the Mishnah and Gemarah. I'm not aware of anything in archaelogy or unbiased third party writings from the era that would answer your questions. I'm a layman, and the following is just my opinion.

1) The modern rabbinic definition of Jewish inheritance is maternal-only. i.e. if the mother is Jewish, the child is Jewish (note that Reform Judaism accepts paternal inheritance today). There's lots of argument about when exactly that policy was adopted (although it is justified via biblical exegesis). We don't know exactly what the original practice was, but it may have been somewhat informal. Sources include the Book of Ruth (i.e. formal conversion isn't recorded, but her descendants are obviously considered Jewish), and also later discussion on the children of non-Jewish wifes of various Judean kings. There's also a form of paternal inheritance for priesthood - i.e. Cohanim and Levi'im inherit their status paternally.

As far as a direct answer to your question goes, most Jews in the biblical era were farmers, and farmers have always had a pretty good idea regarding how physical traits are inherited from both parents, even if the precise details weren't always known. Biblical genealogies aren't talking about genetics though. Most of them appear to be lineages of various sorts of tribal leaders (both Israelite or otherwise), and at a guess the primary issue at hand was inheritance of land and societal status. In the largely paternal societies of the ancient Near East, that would imply male-line genealogy.

2) Genealogy as we know it today is a recent invention. Ancient genealogies don't have any concept of precision at all. That said, one place where there's a simple lineage given is in the book of Esther: "Mordechai ben Yair ben Shimi ben Kish ish Yemini." i.e. "Mordechai son of Yair son of Shimi son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin" (usual translation of Yemini, although there's other opinions). It isn't intended to tell you precise genealogy, but rather to give a general idea of who he is and what he's about. That lineage tells an informed reader about roughly when his family was carted off to Babylon, where they came from originally etc. Midrashic sources also relate that various symbolism to the overall story from the specific fact that he was from the tribe of Benjamin (it's complicated). i.e. the whole lineage is basically just setting the stage for the story.

3) I don't know of any good sources re ancient adoption and written lineages. The closest I can think of also comes from Esther. Esther (i.e. Hadassah) is a cousin or possibly niece of Mordechai, whom he adopted when her parents died. She isn't considered his genetic child though. Another possible source comes from Talmudic discussion of who can marry whom - adopted siblings are not barred from marrying each other.

Regards,

Jeremy Lichtman


Re: Naturalizations France #france

JUROVSKY,Catherine
 

These files are troves of information. Many files contain information that goes largely beyond the date of the naturalization of the person. You find all the documents the candidates for naturalization had to fill up to become french including their family history. You have the inquest made by the relevant police department or embassies to confirm their sayings. Most fascinating and disturbing you find what happened to them during the Vichy regime. Many were subjected to the Commission de dénaturalisation and therefore the prefectures tracked their whereabouts during that period. The files can be extremely detailed and precise fortunately for them with a delay. Luckily gps tracking did not exist then !


Re: nickname for Miriam? #names

Jill Whitehead
 

In my family, the various Miriam's were shortened to Mary, Marion, Mimi and Mim in the UK. One of my great aunts known as Cissie Miriam (but born Miriam) was named after her grandmother Cyza Malka (from Rajgrod in Lomza gubernia NE Poland). 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK