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Re: Location of ZIEGLER family #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

In a message dated 3/13/2006 9:51:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jjellins@ibus.org writes:
Dear All,

There was a typographical error in the information which I provided
and which was then
posted on the March 9, 2006 H-SIG digest mailing list. The year of
Jakob Ziegler's birth
was shown as 1883 when in fact it was meant to be 1833.

I have not yet established the birth place of Jakob Ziegler but one
document states that
he was >from "Sarmoser Comitat, Ungarn". What is the significance of
"Sarmoser Comitat".
Is this the name of a town or region, or does this have some other meaning.

With thanks.

Jack Jellins.
Sydney/Australia.

ZIEGLER - Hungary, Austria
GOLDHAUSER - Hungary
GOTTLIEB - Hungary
WERTHEIMER - Hungary

Hi Jack,

Is your GOTTLIEB >from Kisva'rda?

Attila Rona
New York


*re: jewish records from slovenia #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Denise,

Certain northern parts of Slovenia belonged to the Hungarian Kingdom until the end of 1918, when the ex-Slav Habsburg dominions formed a kingdom called State or Kingdom of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. In 1929 these three states formed the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. During WW2, parts of Slovenia were annexed to Germany, Italy and Hungary. After WW2 (1945), the territory of the ex-Yugoslavian Kingdom became the Republic of Yugoslavia.

Therefor, until 1918, records for some towns could be either in the Mormons' microfilm repository or in the Hungarian National Archive (MOL-Magyar Orsza'gos Leve'lta'r). The period you are searching is critical because of the political turbulence in Europe during that time. My guess would be that if records exist for that period, they must be in the National Archives of Serbia, in Belgrade, see <http://www.arhiv.sv.gov.yu/e1000001.htm>.

Wikipedia has a very good timeline of Slovenia's history, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Slovenian_history>.

Good luck
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 14.03.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: jewish records >from slovenia
From: d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:25:04 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 6

Does anyone have experience with obtaining genealogy
records >from Slovenia >from circa the 1920s and 1930s?

There are some events that occured in gf Morgenstern's
family that at present I have only a dim knowledge of.

Denise
Tampa, Florida, USA
--
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Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Location of ZIEGLER family #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

In a message dated 3/13/2006 9:51:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jjellins@ibus.org writes:
Dear All,

There was a typographical error in the information which I provided
and which was then
posted on the March 9, 2006 H-SIG digest mailing list. The year of
Jakob Ziegler's birth
was shown as 1883 when in fact it was meant to be 1833.

I have not yet established the birth place of Jakob Ziegler but one
document states that
he was >from "Sarmoser Comitat, Ungarn". What is the significance of
"Sarmoser Comitat".
Is this the name of a town or region, or does this have some other meaning.

With thanks.

Jack Jellins.
Sydney/Australia.

ZIEGLER - Hungary, Austria
GOLDHAUSER - Hungary
GOTTLIEB - Hungary
WERTHEIMER - Hungary

Hi Jack,

Is your GOTTLIEB >from Kisva'rda?

Attila Rona
New York


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: jewish records from slovenia #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Denise,

Certain northern parts of Slovenia belonged to the Hungarian Kingdom until the end of 1918, when the ex-Slav Habsburg dominions formed a kingdom called State or Kingdom of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. In 1929 these three states formed the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. During WW2, parts of Slovenia were annexed to Germany, Italy and Hungary. After WW2 (1945), the territory of the ex-Yugoslavian Kingdom became the Republic of Yugoslavia.

Therefor, until 1918, records for some towns could be either in the Mormons' microfilm repository or in the Hungarian National Archive (MOL-Magyar Orsza'gos Leve'lta'r). The period you are searching is critical because of the political turbulence in Europe during that time. My guess would be that if records exist for that period, they must be in the National Archives of Serbia, in Belgrade, see <http://www.arhiv.sv.gov.yu/e1000001.htm>.

Wikipedia has a very good timeline of Slovenia's history, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Slovenian_history>.

Good luck
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 14.03.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: jewish records >from slovenia
From: d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:25:04 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 6

Does anyone have experience with obtaining genealogy
records >from Slovenia >from circa the 1920s and 1930s?

There are some events that occured in gf Morgenstern's
family that at present I have only a dim knowledge of.

Denise
Tampa, Florida, USA
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


FW: Hungarian Jews in Theresienstadt in April 45 #hungary

Judy Young <jy-abcd@...>
 

Last week (March 8th) in a message Henry Wellisch wrote:

=93Starting around April 15, 1945 about 15,000 Persons arrived in
Theresienstadt >from concentration camps, which had been evacuated by
the Germans. There may have been Hungarian Jews amongst them, but it
is not clear if lists of these people exist.=94
There were definitely Hungarian Jews who arrived back to Theresienstadt =
in
April 1945 >from Buchenwald after that camp was emptied in early April
(though most of the Buchenwald inmates did not make it back to
Theresienstadt). Some were force marched, some were put on a train. The =
ones
that did make it, survived an allied bombing of their train. I know one
person who got back there in this fashion after deportation >from Ujpest =
to
Auschwitz and transfer to Buchenwald. There is also mention of this in a
book by Lothar Czosseck called =93Aussenkommando 'Wille' =96 ein =
Aussenlager des
KZ Buchenwald=94 =A0which describes experiences of inmates in Rehmsdorf, =
part of
the Buchenwald complex (the camp that Imre Kertesz was also in), and in =
an
=A0unpublished manuscript by Dr Melchior Weiss, also a Hungarian =
survivor who
arrived back to Theresienstadt with his young son, Andre (now an elderly
psychiatrist in the US).

However, I do not believe there is a listing of the people who arrived =
back
in this way unless perhaps among lists of Hungarian survivors published =
in
1946? Such a list of Hungarian survivors is available at the US =
Holocaust
Museum (as is the Czosseck book).

Regards,
Judy

Judy Young Drache
Ottawa,
Canada
E-mail: jy-abcd@cyberus.ca


Hungary SIG #Hungary FW: Hungarian Jews in Theresienstadt in April 45 #hungary

Judy Young <jy-abcd@...>
 

Last week (March 8th) in a message Henry Wellisch wrote:

=93Starting around April 15, 1945 about 15,000 Persons arrived in
Theresienstadt >from concentration camps, which had been evacuated by
the Germans. There may have been Hungarian Jews amongst them, but it
is not clear if lists of these people exist.=94
There were definitely Hungarian Jews who arrived back to Theresienstadt =
in
April 1945 >from Buchenwald after that camp was emptied in early April
(though most of the Buchenwald inmates did not make it back to
Theresienstadt). Some were force marched, some were put on a train. The =
ones
that did make it, survived an allied bombing of their train. I know one
person who got back there in this fashion after deportation >from Ujpest =
to
Auschwitz and transfer to Buchenwald. There is also mention of this in a
book by Lothar Czosseck called =93Aussenkommando 'Wille' =96 ein =
Aussenlager des
KZ Buchenwald=94 =A0which describes experiences of inmates in Rehmsdorf, =
part of
the Buchenwald complex (the camp that Imre Kertesz was also in), and in =
an
=A0unpublished manuscript by Dr Melchior Weiss, also a Hungarian =
survivor who
arrived back to Theresienstadt with his young son, Andre (now an elderly
psychiatrist in the US).

However, I do not believe there is a listing of the people who arrived =
back
in this way unless perhaps among lists of Hungarian survivors published =
in
1946? Such a list of Hungarian survivors is available at the US =
Holocaust
Museum (as is the Czosseck book).

Regards,
Judy

Judy Young Drache
Ottawa,
Canada
E-mail: jy-abcd@cyberus.ca


Family of Rabbi SOLOVEICHIK #general

Ira Lyons <iralyons@...>
 

I recently learned >from the ship's manifest that my father's name in Brest,
Russia was David SOLOWEICZIC. He emmigrated to Ellis Island at age 10 with
his mother, Chaia Soloweiczic (38), and brother Moishe Soloweiczic (7).
Chaia's maiden name was Sheland. The date of immigration is 1914. Would it
be possible to trace my father's connection to the Soloveichik family of
Rabbis? Thanks, Ira Lyons


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family of Rabbi SOLOVEICHIK #general

Ira Lyons <iralyons@...>
 

I recently learned >from the ship's manifest that my father's name in Brest,
Russia was David SOLOWEICZIC. He emmigrated to Ellis Island at age 10 with
his mother, Chaia Soloweiczic (38), and brother Moishe Soloweiczic (7).
Chaia's maiden name was Sheland. The date of immigration is 1914. Would it
be possible to trace my father's connection to the Soloveichik family of
Rabbis? Thanks, Ira Lyons


Re: Hungarian Military Prisoner/Deaths Database #general

Vivian Kahn
 

http://www.hadifogoly.adatbanyaszat.hu/ is the URL for the website of
the Hungarian War Archives. This is a very valuable database for those
with family >from Hungary because it includes names and other information
about men who were conscripted into the Labor Battalions and died or were
reported missing. Although the information is in Hungarian, the
database is easy to use if you know a few terms:

Vezeteknev = Surname

Keresztnev = Given name (literally "Christian name")

Szuletesiev = Year of birth

Kereses = Search

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator

Subject: Hungarian Military Prisoner/Deaths Database
From: G C <gmczene@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:27:34 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 17

Hello,

http://www.hadifogoly.adatbanyaszat.hu/

is a Hungarian site with a searchable database of prisoners/military=20=
deaths.

Gizella Czene

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Hungarian with no English translation


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hungarian Military Prisoner/Deaths Database #general

Vivian Kahn
 

http://www.hadifogoly.adatbanyaszat.hu/ is the URL for the website of
the Hungarian War Archives. This is a very valuable database for those
with family >from Hungary because it includes names and other information
about men who were conscripted into the Labor Battalions and died or were
reported missing. Although the information is in Hungarian, the
database is easy to use if you know a few terms:

Vezeteknev = Surname

Keresztnev = Given name (literally "Christian name")

Szuletesiev = Year of birth

Kereses = Search

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator

Subject: Hungarian Military Prisoner/Deaths Database
From: G C <gmczene@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:27:34 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 17

Hello,

http://www.hadifogoly.adatbanyaszat.hu/

is a Hungarian site with a searchable database of prisoners/military=20=
deaths.

Gizella Czene

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Hungarian with no English translation


Jewish Population in the world #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I recently stumbled across a website that contains the Jewish population for
each country in the world as of 2005. In addition, clicking on the name of
any country in the list will give one a capsule history of Jews in that
country.

The site is at:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

Have fun!

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Population in the world #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I recently stumbled across a website that contains the Jewish population for
each country in the world as of 2005. In addition, clicking on the name of
any country in the list will give one a capsule history of Jews in that
country.

The site is at:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

Have fun!

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


LIPFELD, GREENFELD / GRINFELD / GRUNFELD, MAZUR / MAZURKEWICZ #general

asbury8@...
 

I am trying to find:
LIPFELD, currently or formerly of Switzerland. My grandmother's sister's
husband, Heniek / Hersz LIPFELD, survived the Lodz Ghetto and moved to
Switzerland. I am looking for his family. Please respond privately with any
information.

GRENFELD / GRUNFELD / GREENFELD (or possibly other spelling), currently or
formerly of the UK. My ggrandfather's sister, Freidal MAZURKIEWICZ, lived in
England for a while. She moved to Israel, but her children stayed in
England. Her daughter married a GRENFIELD (or other spelling). She visited
Israel around 1952 or so, perhaps other times as well.

MAZUR or MAZURKIEWICZ, currently or formerly of France. My grandmother and
her first cousin, Mietek (aka Josef Mojsiej / Yosef / Moniek) MAZURKIEWICZ,
were very close, growing up together in Lodz, Poland. Mietek was born in Lodz
in 1910, left Poland before WW II, went to to study at the Sorbonne, then
went to Israel (Palestine). He was an engineer. He left Palestine in 1947 or
1948 (before Israel came to be) for Paris. He may have been married several
times and has at least one son. He may have changed the family name to MAZUR
once reaching Paris. Mietek's mother was >from the CEDERBAUM family.

If you have any tie-ins to this, please respond to me privately.

Thank you.

--T Segal
USA

Researching SALMONOWITZ / ZELMANOWICZ, DZIALOSZYNSKI, FERENBACH, PETER,
WOLF, LITWAK (Lodz, other incl. Pabience); MAZURKIEWICZ (Lodz , Skierniewice,
Pabience & France (maybe changed to MAZUR); MAUS (Lublin & Lodz), LIPFELD (Lodz
& Switzerland); CEDERBAUM (Poland); GREENFELD / GRUNFELD (UK), SIERPINSKI
(Aleksandrow & Lodz), BRAM (Lodz, Pajeczo, Rawa, Skierniewice, Piotrkow,
Pabience); GOLDSZTAJN (Maniensk & Lodz); POPOWSKI (Gora & Lodz);

MODERATOR NOTE: Searching list truncated at the allowed 6 lines.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LIPFELD, GREENFELD / GRINFELD / GRUNFELD, MAZUR / MAZURKEWICZ #general

asbury8@...
 

I am trying to find:
LIPFELD, currently or formerly of Switzerland. My grandmother's sister's
husband, Heniek / Hersz LIPFELD, survived the Lodz Ghetto and moved to
Switzerland. I am looking for his family. Please respond privately with any
information.

GRENFELD / GRUNFELD / GREENFELD (or possibly other spelling), currently or
formerly of the UK. My ggrandfather's sister, Freidal MAZURKIEWICZ, lived in
England for a while. She moved to Israel, but her children stayed in
England. Her daughter married a GRENFIELD (or other spelling). She visited
Israel around 1952 or so, perhaps other times as well.

MAZUR or MAZURKIEWICZ, currently or formerly of France. My grandmother and
her first cousin, Mietek (aka Josef Mojsiej / Yosef / Moniek) MAZURKIEWICZ,
were very close, growing up together in Lodz, Poland. Mietek was born in Lodz
in 1910, left Poland before WW II, went to to study at the Sorbonne, then
went to Israel (Palestine). He was an engineer. He left Palestine in 1947 or
1948 (before Israel came to be) for Paris. He may have been married several
times and has at least one son. He may have changed the family name to MAZUR
once reaching Paris. Mietek's mother was >from the CEDERBAUM family.

If you have any tie-ins to this, please respond to me privately.

Thank you.

--T Segal
USA

Researching SALMONOWITZ / ZELMANOWICZ, DZIALOSZYNSKI, FERENBACH, PETER,
WOLF, LITWAK (Lodz, other incl. Pabience); MAZURKIEWICZ (Lodz , Skierniewice,
Pabience & France (maybe changed to MAZUR); MAUS (Lublin & Lodz), LIPFELD (Lodz
& Switzerland); CEDERBAUM (Poland); GREENFELD / GRUNFELD (UK), SIERPINSKI
(Aleksandrow & Lodz), BRAM (Lodz, Pajeczo, Rawa, Skierniewice, Piotrkow,
Pabience); GOLDSZTAJN (Maniensk & Lodz); POPOWSKI (Gora & Lodz);

MODERATOR NOTE: Searching list truncated at the allowed 6 lines.


Re: What shtetl could this be? #belarus

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Dear Bruce,
Most of the area of what is now belarus and is located less then 15
kilometers west of Minsk, was part of Poland between 1921 to 1939.
Pinsk, Skidel, and the Grodno area included.
They all had to study Polish by state laws even if they went to Jewish
schools. The fact that they said they spoke Polish might indicate that
they left the area after 1920.
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles

On 3/16/06, Bruce Rubenstein, M.D. <bruce.rubenstein@nyu.edu> wrote:

I have confirmed that my ancestors came >from Skidel which is quite
close to Grodno. Recently I have found relatives and documents of
related family which support the fact that they came >from a place in
"Russia" quite close to the Polish border - as is Grodno. Family
members speak about how their parents spoke fluent Polish.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: What shtetl could this be? #belarus

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Dear Bruce,
Most of the area of what is now belarus and is located less then 15
kilometers west of Minsk, was part of Poland between 1921 to 1939.
Pinsk, Skidel, and the Grodno area included.
They all had to study Polish by state laws even if they went to Jewish
schools. The fact that they said they spoke Polish might indicate that
they left the area after 1920.
Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles

On 3/16/06, Bruce Rubenstein, M.D. <bruce.rubenstein@nyu.edu> wrote:

I have confirmed that my ancestors came >from Skidel which is quite
close to Grodno. Recently I have found relatives and documents of
related family which support the fact that they came >from a place in
"Russia" quite close to the Polish border - as is Grodno. Family
members speak about how their parents spoke fluent Polish.


Phone to Peripignan/Cassis #france

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

I'm seeking someone to make a phone call to my relative who
resides in Perpignan, and whose office is in Cassis France.
It would be greatly appreciated. I have addresses, but no
phone numbers. My French is inadequate to hold a conversation.
--
Bernard Kouchel
kooshb9341@bellsouth.net

MODERATOR: we do need your town and country of residence.


French SIG #France Phone to Peripignan/Cassis #france

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

I'm seeking someone to make a phone call to my relative who
resides in Perpignan, and whose office is in Cassis France.
It would be greatly appreciated. I have addresses, but no
phone numbers. My French is inadequate to hold a conversation.
--
Bernard Kouchel
kooshb9341@bellsouth.net

MODERATOR: we do need your town and country of residence.


Seeking PRZESTRZELENIEC in Brazil #latinamerica

Renhug@...
 

I am taking a trip to Brazil. I've been told that I have family there. I
would appreciate it very much any help in making contact with the family name
Przestrzeleniec or any known relatives.

Thank you,
Renee Hughes


Latin America #LatinAmerica Seeking PRZESTRZELENIEC in Brazil #latinamerica

Renhug@...
 

I am taking a trip to Brazil. I've been told that I have family there. I
would appreciate it very much any help in making contact with the family name
Przestrzeleniec or any known relatives.

Thank you,
Renee Hughes