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Photo identification - Viewmate 7560 #austria-czech

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Most of my wife's family perished in the Holocaust and she never met her
relatives. Recently we found a photo which we suspect depicts her 5 uncles
on her mother's side.

That photo can be seen on
<http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7560>;

Given that siblings usually carry some genetic/facial similarities, my
question is: could these five men be brothers? Do they look alike?

BTW, this photo was taken in 1931, in Budapest. We know this >from an
annotation on its back.

Many thanks for examining this picture.
Regards
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


R. Jacob Jehoshua FALK (1680-1756) - a Cohen? #rabbinic

sfalk81162@...
 

The father of the Pnei Jehoshua, R. Jacob Jehoshua FALK (1680-1756),
was named Zwi Hirsch (of Krakow). In some sources, his name is
given as "Zwi Hirsch Katz" or "Zwi Hirsch K.Z." [Kohen Zadik]. In
other sources, he is just named as "Zwi Hirsch".

Is there any reliable information documenting whether this family Zwi
Hirsch of Krakow and Jacob Jehoshua FALK were Cohanim, or not?

Thank you,
Stephen Falk
Wayne, PA, USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Photo identification - Viewmate 7560 #austria-czech

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Most of my wife's family perished in the Holocaust and she never met her
relatives. Recently we found a photo which we suspect depicts her 5 uncles
on her mother's side.

That photo can be seen on
<http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7560>;

Given that siblings usually carry some genetic/facial similarities, my
question is: could these five men be brothers? Do they look alike?

BTW, this photo was taken in 1931, in Budapest. We know this >from an
annotation on its back.

Many thanks for examining this picture.
Regards
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R. Jacob Jehoshua FALK (1680-1756) - a Cohen? #rabbinic

sfalk81162@...
 

The father of the Pnei Jehoshua, R. Jacob Jehoshua FALK (1680-1756),
was named Zwi Hirsch (of Krakow). In some sources, his name is
given as "Zwi Hirsch Katz" or "Zwi Hirsch K.Z." [Kohen Zadik]. In
other sources, he is just named as "Zwi Hirsch".

Is there any reliable information documenting whether this family Zwi
Hirsch of Krakow and Jacob Jehoshua FALK were Cohanim, or not?

Thank you,
Stephen Falk
Wayne, PA, USA


ViewMate 7554 - 7: Russian Translation #austria-czech

Lee Nydell
 

There are four English language pages that have been posted to
ViewMate that I would appreciate very much if someone can help me with
translating into Russian.

I have uploaded the pages to ViewMate.
You can view them at ViewMate by going to the main page at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Then scrolling down to:
VM7554 Text above and below the picture
VM7555 Text above and below the picture
VM7556 Text below the picture and as much of the page as is possible
VM7557 Text at the top right and left sides of the picture

Or you can copy and paste the below four URLs to go directly to the pages:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7554
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7555
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7556
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7557

If you can translate English into Russian, please respond directly to me
and not to the entire list.

I would like to sincerely thank you in advance for your help.

Lee Nydell
Irvine, California, United States
lnydell@gmail.com
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ViewMate 7554 - 7: Russian Translation #austria-czech

Lee Nydell
 

There are four English language pages that have been posted to
ViewMate that I would appreciate very much if someone can help me with
translating into Russian.

I have uploaded the pages to ViewMate.
You can view them at ViewMate by going to the main page at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Then scrolling down to:
VM7554 Text above and below the picture
VM7555 Text above and below the picture
VM7556 Text below the picture and as much of the page as is possible
VM7557 Text at the top right and left sides of the picture

Or you can copy and paste the below four URLs to go directly to the pages:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7554
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7555
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7556
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7557

If you can translate English into Russian, please respond directly to me
and not to the entire list.

I would like to sincerely thank you in advance for your help.

Lee Nydell
Irvine, California, United States
lnydell@gmail.com
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland


Strickover Rebbe #rabbinic

Jomarie <jomarie41@...>
 

Hi,

Interested in finding out who and where the Strickover, or
Struchtover Rebbe was. His first name would have been Ephrayim
Fischel and the Yid Ha Kodesh - Rabbi Yacov Yitzchak, I have been
told is a decendent of his. Has anyone ever heard of him?

Thanks,
Jo Kozlovsky

Researching:
KOZLOVSKY/KAZALWSKI-Cyzewe-Poland,
SMOLKA-Sokolov-Poland-Austria/Hungary,
PFEFFER/FEFER/PFEIFER- and
PARNASS/PARNES-Sokolov-Poland/Austria-Hungary,
FELDMAN/SPEVAK/SPIVAK-Kiev(Jagrilinica)Ukraine


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Strickover Rebbe #rabbinic

Jomarie <jomarie41@...>
 

Hi,

Interested in finding out who and where the Strickover, or
Struchtover Rebbe was. His first name would have been Ephrayim
Fischel and the Yid Ha Kodesh - Rabbi Yacov Yitzchak, I have been
told is a decendent of his. Has anyone ever heard of him?

Thanks,
Jo Kozlovsky

Researching:
KOZLOVSKY/KAZALWSKI-Cyzewe-Poland,
SMOLKA-Sokolov-Poland-Austria/Hungary,
PFEFFER/FEFER/PFEIFER- and
PARNASS/PARNES-Sokolov-Poland/Austria-Hungary,
FELDMAN/SPEVAK/SPIVAK-Kiev(Jagrilinica)Ukraine


R' Israel GOLDVOGEL #rabbinic

BBellACSW@...
 

Looking for information about my great great grandfather, Rabbi
Israel GOLDVOGEL who served as Rabbi of Har Sinai Temple, Trenton,
New Jersey, in the early years after its beginning in 1860.

Bessie Bell
Sea Cliff, New York, USA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Israel GOLDVOGEL #rabbinic

BBellACSW@...
 

Looking for information about my great great grandfather, Rabbi
Israel GOLDVOGEL who served as Rabbi of Har Sinai Temple, Trenton,
New Jersey, in the early years after its beginning in 1860.

Bessie Bell
Sea Cliff, New York, USA


Sharsheret Hadorot, February 2006 #hungary

Klausner
 

The February 2006 issue of Sharsheret Hadorot, the Journal of the Israel
Genealogical Society, just appeared, containing the following articles:

The Rossi, De Rossi Family >from Jerusalem to Rome and >from Rome via a Long
Trip to Eretz Yisrael, by Leah Artom

Gelles of Brody and some Fraenkel - Horowitz Connections, by Edward Gelles

Casa Shalom -The Institute for Marrano-Anusim Studies Gan Yavneh Israel, by
Gloria Mound

Family Names in Israel by Chanan Rapaport

Belfer Family Reunion An Example of Jewish Identification, by Harriet Kasow

Report of the Activities of the Sephardim-SIG of the Israel Genealogical
Society for 2004-2005, by Mathidle Tagger, Coordinator of Sephardim SIG

The Genealogical Holdings of the Jewish National and University Library, A
Visit to the Library, by Gilda Kurtzman and Susan Edel

South African Center for Jewish Migration and Genealogy Studies, by Beryl
Baleson

The "Arolsen Files" as a Research Source, by Sherry Kisos

The Granddaughter Who Came on Aliyah with Her Grandmother, by Yehuda
Klausner



Thank you and best wishes, Yocheved


Yocheved Klausner, Editor
Sharsheret Hadorot (bilingual: Hebrew and English)
Israel Genealogical Society (IGS)

Visit our Website: www.isragen.org.il


Hungary SIG #Hungary Sharsheret Hadorot, February 2006 #hungary

Klausner
 

The February 2006 issue of Sharsheret Hadorot, the Journal of the Israel
Genealogical Society, just appeared, containing the following articles:

The Rossi, De Rossi Family >from Jerusalem to Rome and >from Rome via a Long
Trip to Eretz Yisrael, by Leah Artom

Gelles of Brody and some Fraenkel - Horowitz Connections, by Edward Gelles

Casa Shalom -The Institute for Marrano-Anusim Studies Gan Yavneh Israel, by
Gloria Mound

Family Names in Israel by Chanan Rapaport

Belfer Family Reunion An Example of Jewish Identification, by Harriet Kasow

Report of the Activities of the Sephardim-SIG of the Israel Genealogical
Society for 2004-2005, by Mathidle Tagger, Coordinator of Sephardim SIG

The Genealogical Holdings of the Jewish National and University Library, A
Visit to the Library, by Gilda Kurtzman and Susan Edel

South African Center for Jewish Migration and Genealogy Studies, by Beryl
Baleson

The "Arolsen Files" as a Research Source, by Sherry Kisos

The Granddaughter Who Came on Aliyah with Her Grandmother, by Yehuda
Klausner



Thank you and best wishes, Yocheved


Yocheved Klausner, Editor
Sharsheret Hadorot (bilingual: Hebrew and English)
Israel Genealogical Society (IGS)

Visit our Website: www.isragen.org.il


Photo identification - Viewmate 7560 #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Most of my wife's family perished in the Holocaust and she never met her relatives. Recently we found a photo which we suspect depicts her 5 uncles on her mother's side.

That photo can be seen on <http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7560>;

Given that siblings usually carry some genetic/facial similarities, my question is: could these five men be brothers? Do they look alike?

BTW, this photo was taken in 1931, in Budapest. We know this >from an annotation on its back.

Many thanks for examining this picture.
Regards
Tom
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Moderator: Please send responses to Tom off-list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Photo identification - Viewmate 7560 #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Most of my wife's family perished in the Holocaust and she never met her relatives. Recently we found a photo which we suspect depicts her 5 uncles on her mother's side.

That photo can be seen on <http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7560>;

Given that siblings usually carry some genetic/facial similarities, my question is: could these five men be brothers? Do they look alike?

BTW, this photo was taken in 1931, in Budapest. We know this >from an annotation on its back.

Many thanks for examining this picture.
Regards
Tom
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Moderator: Please send responses to Tom off-list.


Re: Slovak Records #hungary

Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...>
 

There is a famous year 1895.
In this year the civil records have been introduced in Hungary. This means,
that everybody, disregarding religion, was recorded there.
These records are being kept at the Town Halls or Mayor's offices in
practically every town and village.
Then there is the Privacy Law, and according to that the State Registrars
are allowed to issue a certificate only to a direct descendant.
Searching in those civil records by yourself is not allowed. Not very many
Registrars are willing to search at all. This is ( my opinion) due to the
fact, that those pre 1920 records are written in hungarian and not very many
Registrars know hungarian.
Also the place names in these records are in hungarian, which some
Registrars can not decypher.
Their general attitude is:" Tell me the name and exact date and you can have
the Certificate."
Because the oldest civil records are already over 100 years old, some
Registrars have already turned them in to the Archives.
Vital records in the archives, provided they are indexed, can be accessed by
the public.
Now, on the other hand, we have the Jewish Rabinate records. These books are
all in the archives and are accessible.
They usually begin with around 1850 and end with 1895 or even 1946. This
varies very much, depending on the Rabinate.
It is also interesting, that these Jewish Rabinate records, younger than 100
years are not considered to be governed by the Privacy law, so there is no
problem to study them or request a certificate.
Paradoxically, you can ask for a certificate without any complications for a
records >from Jewish books >from let us say 1935 and this Certificate will be
written by a Registrar, who would deny you to have it for the same event,
but taken >from the civil records.
Another thing to consider is, that Civil Records of one place cover only the
immediate area of this particular place, while Jewish Rabinate records of
one Rabinate usually cover much wider geographical area.
Vladimir Bohinc
Nove Mesto n.V
Slovakia


Subject: Slovak Records
From: Dolph Klein <kledolph@duke.edu>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:09:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Unless procedures have changed since my last inquiry in 2003, vital
records
of events post-1895 are obtained through the auspices of the Slovak
Embassy
in Washington. The application has to be mailed to Washington and
accompanied with a bank cashier check or money order for $10.00 (back in
2003) per record. The applicant may receive a typed transcript of the
original document with no guarantee that all of the information had been
faithfully transcribed such as Hebrew names and names of mid-wives,
witnesses, etc.

For records of pre-1895 vintage, applications are mailed directly to the
Interior Ministry in Bratislava. They, in turn, determine which of the
regional archives in Slovakia is appropriate for processing the requests.
No money is sent until the archive notifies the sender of the final
payment. Be advised also that the final cost is determined by the type of
application, individual vs. running account, and by the degree of effort
spent in the research, e.g., regular vs. intensive research. The latter is
determined by the amount of money the applicant is willing to spend. In
days gone by, the application stipulated three levels of research effort
and their administrative costs. The applicant receives a photocopy of the
original document with all the information included.

Having sent several applications to Washington and Bratislava, the turn
around time varied anywhere >from seven months to two years. The wait was
well worth the results. My personal experience while visiting the regional
archive in Bratislava was that the archive was understaffed and
overworked.

Another issue is that even when records of the latter half of the 19th
Century are not readily found in the archives, they may be located in
various town halls. Finding such records requires the effort of a paid
professional researcher. Contacting the town hall directly depends on the
willingness of the staff to respond.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Slovak Records #hungary

Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...>
 

There is a famous year 1895.
In this year the civil records have been introduced in Hungary. This means,
that everybody, disregarding religion, was recorded there.
These records are being kept at the Town Halls or Mayor's offices in
practically every town and village.
Then there is the Privacy Law, and according to that the State Registrars
are allowed to issue a certificate only to a direct descendant.
Searching in those civil records by yourself is not allowed. Not very many
Registrars are willing to search at all. This is ( my opinion) due to the
fact, that those pre 1920 records are written in hungarian and not very many
Registrars know hungarian.
Also the place names in these records are in hungarian, which some
Registrars can not decypher.
Their general attitude is:" Tell me the name and exact date and you can have
the Certificate."
Because the oldest civil records are already over 100 years old, some
Registrars have already turned them in to the Archives.
Vital records in the archives, provided they are indexed, can be accessed by
the public.
Now, on the other hand, we have the Jewish Rabinate records. These books are
all in the archives and are accessible.
They usually begin with around 1850 and end with 1895 or even 1946. This
varies very much, depending on the Rabinate.
It is also interesting, that these Jewish Rabinate records, younger than 100
years are not considered to be governed by the Privacy law, so there is no
problem to study them or request a certificate.
Paradoxically, you can ask for a certificate without any complications for a
records >from Jewish books >from let us say 1935 and this Certificate will be
written by a Registrar, who would deny you to have it for the same event,
but taken >from the civil records.
Another thing to consider is, that Civil Records of one place cover only the
immediate area of this particular place, while Jewish Rabinate records of
one Rabinate usually cover much wider geographical area.
Vladimir Bohinc
Nove Mesto n.V
Slovakia


Subject: Slovak Records
From: Dolph Klein <kledolph@duke.edu>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:09:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Unless procedures have changed since my last inquiry in 2003, vital
records
of events post-1895 are obtained through the auspices of the Slovak
Embassy
in Washington. The application has to be mailed to Washington and
accompanied with a bank cashier check or money order for $10.00 (back in
2003) per record. The applicant may receive a typed transcript of the
original document with no guarantee that all of the information had been
faithfully transcribed such as Hebrew names and names of mid-wives,
witnesses, etc.

For records of pre-1895 vintage, applications are mailed directly to the
Interior Ministry in Bratislava. They, in turn, determine which of the
regional archives in Slovakia is appropriate for processing the requests.
No money is sent until the archive notifies the sender of the final
payment. Be advised also that the final cost is determined by the type of
application, individual vs. running account, and by the degree of effort
spent in the research, e.g., regular vs. intensive research. The latter is
determined by the amount of money the applicant is willing to spend. In
days gone by, the application stipulated three levels of research effort
and their administrative costs. The applicant receives a photocopy of the
original document with all the information included.

Having sent several applications to Washington and Bratislava, the turn
around time varied anywhere >from seven months to two years. The wait was
well worth the results. My personal experience while visiting the regional
archive in Bratislava was that the archive was understaffed and
overworked.

Another issue is that even when records of the latter half of the 19th
Century are not readily found in the archives, they may be located in
various town halls. Finding such records requires the effort of a paid
professional researcher. Contacting the town hall directly depends on the
willingness of the staff to respond.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Searching: OLENICK family in NYC as early as 1870 #general

Mark Rosenholz <statedmark@...>
 

Seeking family of Elias OLENICK (bp California, DOB : abt 1862) who
first married Dora GREEN/GREENE, and then married Fanny/Fannie
MATLOWSKY/MATLAWSKY in Feb. 1885 in NYC. Elias & Fanny had at least
5 children (Simon, Emanuel, Jacob, Jessie/Jesse, & Ruscia/Grace) per
1900 NY census.

Elias' parents are Moses L. OLENICK & Elizabeth SISSENWEIN/SISCUVIN;
Moses and Elizabeth married in San Francisco on 15 May 1857. Moses &
Elizabeth appear in the 1880 NY census with 2 children: Dora, age 13,
bp California; and Israel, age 5, bp NY.

Elias boarded with the Harris SEFF (?ZEFF) family in the 1880 NYC
census. Harris' wife Serena has a California birthplace in the
census. My suspicions (based on CA bp's) are that Elias and Serena
are related, but I have no proof of the same. Serena likely died
before 1887 since Harris remarried Concordia FILIPOWSKI in NYC in 1887.

Mark Rosenholz
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: OLENICK family in NYC as early as 1870 #general

Mark Rosenholz <statedmark@...>
 

Seeking family of Elias OLENICK (bp California, DOB : abt 1862) who
first married Dora GREEN/GREENE, and then married Fanny/Fannie
MATLOWSKY/MATLAWSKY in Feb. 1885 in NYC. Elias & Fanny had at least
5 children (Simon, Emanuel, Jacob, Jessie/Jesse, & Ruscia/Grace) per
1900 NY census.

Elias' parents are Moses L. OLENICK & Elizabeth SISSENWEIN/SISCUVIN;
Moses and Elizabeth married in San Francisco on 15 May 1857. Moses &
Elizabeth appear in the 1880 NY census with 2 children: Dora, age 13,
bp California; and Israel, age 5, bp NY.

Elias boarded with the Harris SEFF (?ZEFF) family in the 1880 NYC
census. Harris' wife Serena has a California birthplace in the
census. My suspicions (based on CA bp's) are that Elias and Serena
are related, but I have no proof of the same. Serena likely died
before 1887 since Harris remarried Concordia FILIPOWSKI in NYC in 1887.

Mark Rosenholz
Albany, NY


Searching: SCHWARTZ/Ratno, Ukraine #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anyone have any information about the SCHWARTZ family >from Ratno in the
Ukraine? Esther Schwartz became my paternal grandmother.
Elliot Fishman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SCHWARTZ/Ratno, Ukraine #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anyone have any information about the SCHWARTZ family >from Ratno in the
Ukraine? Esther Schwartz became my paternal grandmother.
Elliot Fishman