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Yad vaShem-Auschwitz Victims-Additional Data #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

As you probably know the Auschwitz Museum website has
an alphabetical list of 69,000 victims who were
executed there,including non Jews.I just discovered
that Yad vaShem has posted the same list on the PoT
section but with additional data:
the names of the victim's parents. Thus I now know
that the parents of my relative Hermann KOENIGSBUCH
from Michalovce were Joseph KOENIGSBUCH and Helene
BLAS. Only by having his father's given name I know
how he is connected to me(Joseph and my grandfather
Ascher were brothers).
I assume that BLAS family is >from Slovakia. If it
rings a bell I would like to hear privately.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JRI Poland #Poland Yad vaShem-Auschwitz Victims-Additional Data #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

As you probably know the Auschwitz Museum website has
an alphabetical list of 69,000 victims who were
executed there,including non Jews.I just discovered
that Yad vaShem has posted the same list on the PoT
section but with additional data:
the names of the victim's parents. Thus I now know
that the parents of my relative Hermann KOENIGSBUCH
from Michalovce were Joseph KOENIGSBUCH and Helene
BLAS. Only by having his father's given name I know
how he is connected to me(Joseph and my grandfather
Ascher were brothers).
I assume that BLAS family is >from Slovakia. If it
rings a bell I would like to hear privately.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Krakow marriage and banns.... #poland

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Dear all,

I found some information in the JRI Poland database:
Krakow JHI marriage banns 1892,97-99,1901-9,12-22

Surname Given Year Type Akt Fond Town Father Mother Notes Comments
name
KNELLER Feiwel 1892 M 23 993 Ropczyce Abraham Chana
-Reizla Bann
SPERLING Rebeka 1892 M 23 993 Krakow Mojzesz Leya Bann

Can anyone tell me what a "marriage bann" means?

Thank you in anticipation

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@...


JRI Poland #Poland Krakow marriage and banns.... #poland

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Dear all,

I found some information in the JRI Poland database:
Krakow JHI marriage banns 1892,97-99,1901-9,12-22

Surname Given Year Type Akt Fond Town Father Mother Notes Comments
name
KNELLER Feiwel 1892 M 23 993 Ropczyce Abraham Chana
-Reizla Bann
SPERLING Rebeka 1892 M 23 993 Krakow Mojzesz Leya Bann

Can anyone tell me what a "marriage bann" means?

Thank you in anticipation

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@...


How Detailed is a Record from PSA? -FENDRICH from Ciemierzynce #galicia

Sharon <sharonfendrich@...>
 

________________________________________
From: Sharon [mailto:sharonfendrich@...]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:51 PM
To: 'galicia@...'
Subject: How Detailed is a Record >from PSA? -FENDRICH >from Ciemierzynce

Hello everyone,

I=am new to research and think I have found some important information in the
Polish State Archives.
Do you know if the information they would mail me if I order the record
would be more detailed than the information that is provided online when you
do the search in JRI-Poland? If I would just be ordering an original
document I dont know if I am interested because I dont know if there is a
link here for sure.

This is for any FENDRICH relative >from Ciemierzynce (Chemerintsy).

With much gratitude for your assistance,
Sharon Fendrich

Reply to: Sharonfendrich@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia How Detailed is a Record from PSA? -FENDRICH from Ciemierzynce #galicia

Sharon <sharonfendrich@...>
 

________________________________________
From: Sharon [mailto:sharonfendrich@...]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:51 PM
To: 'galicia@...'
Subject: How Detailed is a Record >from PSA? -FENDRICH >from Ciemierzynce

Hello everyone,

I=am new to research and think I have found some important information in the
Polish State Archives.
Do you know if the information they would mail me if I order the record
would be more detailed than the information that is provided online when you
do the search in JRI-Poland? If I would just be ordering an original
document I dont know if I am interested because I dont know if there is a
link here for sure.

This is for any FENDRICH relative >from Ciemierzynce (Chemerintsy).

With much gratitude for your assistance,
Sharon Fendrich

Reply to: Sharonfendrich@...


Re: 40% Ashkenazim come from Matriarchs #dna

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

On 2006.01.15, Howard Sachs <hfsachs@...> wrote:

If so, could this
represent travel back to the Middle East >from Southern European
places of refuge in the Ice Age? That is, after the Middle East was
no longer an uninhabitable desert. The DNA study would, I hope,
provide significant new clues. Am awaiting more information.
The following article, more accurate than other popular accounts
I've seen of the research reported recently on The American
Journal of Human Genetics, may shed some light on these questions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html

Jake Goldstein
Boston, Mass.


DNA Research #DNA Re: 40% Ashkenazim come from Matriarchs #dna

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

On 2006.01.15, Howard Sachs <hfsachs@...> wrote:

If so, could this
represent travel back to the Middle East >from Southern European
places of refuge in the Ice Age? That is, after the Middle East was
no longer an uninhabitable desert. The DNA study would, I hope,
provide significant new clues. Am awaiting more information.
The following article, more accurate than other popular accounts
I've seen of the research reported recently on The American
Journal of Human Genetics, may shed some light on these questions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html

Jake Goldstein
Boston, Mass.


Lodz street name confusion #poland #lodz

LyndaKraar@...
 

I have a little street name confusion that I'm trying to clear up.

In 1946 my mother had written in her memoirs,

"Next, I went to Porzecza, Under-the-River Street, although there was no
river in the city. Everybody called it der Yiddisher gasse, the Jewish street..."

then later in her text, she wrote:

"I reached what I assumed was No. 12 Poprzeczna Street, but there was
nothing to remind me of my previous life. It was just a pile of rubble, and not a
soul in sight..."

Is she talking about the same street, only with a typo, or are these two
different streets? I am now totally confused! Can anyone out there help me
straighten this out?

Thanks,
Lynda Kraar

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may find the answer to your question at the Lodz
Shtetlinks web site. Access "Sources for Tracing Your Family" at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/trace.htm and follow the link to the
Lodz Streets Database.]


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Lodz street name confusion #lodz #poland

LyndaKraar@...
 

I have a little street name confusion that I'm trying to clear up.

In 1946 my mother had written in her memoirs,

"Next, I went to Porzecza, Under-the-River Street, although there was no
river in the city. Everybody called it der Yiddisher gasse, the Jewish street..."

then later in her text, she wrote:

"I reached what I assumed was No. 12 Poprzeczna Street, but there was
nothing to remind me of my previous life. It was just a pile of rubble, and not a
soul in sight..."

Is she talking about the same street, only with a typo, or are these two
different streets? I am now totally confused! Can anyone out there help me
straighten this out?

Thanks,
Lynda Kraar

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may find the answer to your question at the Lodz
Shtetlinks web site. Access "Sources for Tracing Your Family" at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/trace.htm and follow the link to the
Lodz Streets Database.]


Re: mtDNA & my grandfather's mother #dna

lfarber@...
 

On 2006.01.15, Kim Beals <rbeals@...> wrote:

[...] I have read
that, indeed, a male does receive mtDNA >from his mother but that
this is not passed on to any of his children.

So, perhaps no genetic test I could take could answer my question
about Jewish ancestry >from my grandfather's mother?
Hi Kim,

What you read is correct. If your grandfather had a test for mtDNA,
it would reveal the mtDNA that your grandmother carried. It has NOT
been passed on to any of his children.

Even, so, if you could have tested his mtDNA, it would not have told
you if your great grandmother was Jewish. There really is no
distinctly "Jewish" DNA. Generally, what the testing shows, is that
Jews have DNA that is similar to that found in the Middle East and
similar to other Jews all over the world.

The mtDNA studies have been used to trace the arrival of Jews in
Europe >from the Middle East and have generated two conflicting
hypotheses, The first is that Jewish males came to Europe and
settled down with local women. Thereafter, in-marriage was the norm.
The other hypothesis suggests that these Jewish males brought their
Jewish/Middle Eastern wives with them.

What testing does sometimes find, though, is some very distant
cousins that you may never have been aware of.

Len Farber
Oak Park & Bloomington, Illinois


DNA Research #DNA Re: mtDNA & my grandfather's mother #dna

lfarber@...
 

On 2006.01.15, Kim Beals <rbeals@...> wrote:

[...] I have read
that, indeed, a male does receive mtDNA >from his mother but that
this is not passed on to any of his children.

So, perhaps no genetic test I could take could answer my question
about Jewish ancestry >from my grandfather's mother?
Hi Kim,

What you read is correct. If your grandfather had a test for mtDNA,
it would reveal the mtDNA that your grandmother carried. It has NOT
been passed on to any of his children.

Even, so, if you could have tested his mtDNA, it would not have told
you if your great grandmother was Jewish. There really is no
distinctly "Jewish" DNA. Generally, what the testing shows, is that
Jews have DNA that is similar to that found in the Middle East and
similar to other Jews all over the world.

The mtDNA studies have been used to trace the arrival of Jews in
Europe >from the Middle East and have generated two conflicting
hypotheses, The first is that Jewish males came to Europe and
settled down with local women. Thereafter, in-marriage was the norm.
The other hypothesis suggests that these Jewish males brought their
Jewish/Middle Eastern wives with them.

What testing does sometimes find, though, is some very distant
cousins that you may never have been aware of.

Len Farber
Oak Park & Bloomington, Illinois


Polish Population Registers - Any specifrics in Suwalki or Warsaw? #poland #warsaw

Robert Zavos <rzavos@...>
 

Per Stanley Diamond's response to Fred Hoffman's comments on Polish Book of
Residents I would like to know if anyone has has ever found these for a few
of my key towns. In particular, Stanley Diamond has suggested Books of
Residents have never been found for Raczki, Sejne, Punsk (all in Suwalki) or
even Warsaw. Has anybody ever seen these for any of these or nearby towns?.
How about Warsaw? How can there be no data for Polands largest city? Was
nothing ever sent to some other major European/American city or some
University that escaped the ravages of WW2?

Robert Zavos
searching Zawoznik >from Raczki, Warsaw,Trondheim; Szczupacki/Siff >from
Sejne; Pervin >from Berdichev, Ukraine; Menzer/Mintzer >from Bucecea,
Romania


Subject: Polish Population Registers - Books of Residents being indexed by
JRI-Poland
From: @StanleyDiamond
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:33:05 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

In his message of January 11th, Fred Hoffman wrote:

"Population registers," also called "Books of residents."
In Polish, these registers are usually called _ksiegi ludnosci stalej_,

Whatever the name, they are extremely valuable sources, because they
were used to register permanent residents of a given district, and the
information in them was updated regularly. Details on deaths, military
service, and relocation were typically recorded, often with specific
details that can prove vital in tracking various changes in a family's
history. Traveling papers of various kinds were drawn up by local
authorities on the basis of these books, which the authorities then
updated.
At the 2005 International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Las Vegas,
an important announcement was made concerning JRI-Poland's indexing
of Books of Residents and Census Records. Unlike civil records, these
sources include family groups on a house-by-house basis, and typically
provide names of individuals, father's and mother's names, mother's
maiden name, date and place of birth, occupation, former residence
and army draft information. Since a percentage of Jewish births were
not registered, Books of Residents and Census Records are sometimes
the only source of information on certain individuals.

For several years JRI-Poland, in cooperation with the Polish State
Archives, has been indexing these sources (in a number of PSA branches
around Poland). As the indexing of civil records for most towns in Poland
has been rapidly advancing, a decision was made to expand the indexing
of Books of Residents / Census records to all branches of the PSA with
such record sources.

As a result, an annex to the JRI-Poland/PSA agreement was signed in
early 2005 that formalizes this expansion of JRI-Poland activity to include
not only Books of Residents / Census records, but also other types of
records with genealogical content.

Although these records are generally listed in the PSA "ELA" online
database (www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=43), the information is in Polish
nd not all descriptions are uniform. Therefore, JRI-Poland has been
working with directors of PSA branches to establish inventories of the
most logical books to be indexed. As information on a town source is
received, researchers for that town will be advised of the availability of
such records. If researchers have documented the existence of such
registers for their towns, the next step they should take is to contact
the JRI-Poland Archive Coordinator for the branch of the Polish State
Archives that covers their town.

Similar to vital records, as the indexing is funded, this data will be
eligible
to be added to the JRI-Poland online database. Since more detailed
information is recorded in the Books of Residents & Census indexing
projects files and the indices are being created while referencing the
actual volumes at the branch archives, the costs associated with this
data entry are relatively higher than vital records indexing. This indexing
is being done by the State Archives' staff archivists (working in off-
hours directly for and hired by JRI-Poland).

As a result, it generally will be necessary to have an advance indications
of interest before work on specific towns can be started.

A number of town Books of Residents have already been indexed and
I am pleased to announce that indexing of the City of Radom Books of
Residents project is now underway at the Radom Archives.

More than 5000 entries have already been received and it is estimated
that there will be up to 40,000 entries when the work is completed by
mid-2006.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent U.S.
non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Polish Population Registers - Any specifrics in Suwalki or Warsaw? #warsaw #poland

Robert Zavos <rzavos@...>
 

Per Stanley Diamond's response to Fred Hoffman's comments on Polish Book of
Residents I would like to know if anyone has has ever found these for a few
of my key towns. In particular, Stanley Diamond has suggested Books of
Residents have never been found for Raczki, Sejne, Punsk (all in Suwalki) or
even Warsaw. Has anybody ever seen these for any of these or nearby towns?.
How about Warsaw? How can there be no data for Polands largest city? Was
nothing ever sent to some other major European/American city or some
University that escaped the ravages of WW2?

Robert Zavos
searching Zawoznik >from Raczki, Warsaw,Trondheim; Szczupacki/Siff >from
Sejne; Pervin >from Berdichev, Ukraine; Menzer/Mintzer >from Bucecea,
Romania


Subject: Polish Population Registers - Books of Residents being indexed by
JRI-Poland
From: @StanleyDiamond
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:33:05 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

In his message of January 11th, Fred Hoffman wrote:

"Population registers," also called "Books of residents."
In Polish, these registers are usually called _ksiegi ludnosci stalej_,

Whatever the name, they are extremely valuable sources, because they
were used to register permanent residents of a given district, and the
information in them was updated regularly. Details on deaths, military
service, and relocation were typically recorded, often with specific
details that can prove vital in tracking various changes in a family's
history. Traveling papers of various kinds were drawn up by local
authorities on the basis of these books, which the authorities then
updated.
At the 2005 International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Las Vegas,
an important announcement was made concerning JRI-Poland's indexing
of Books of Residents and Census Records. Unlike civil records, these
sources include family groups on a house-by-house basis, and typically
provide names of individuals, father's and mother's names, mother's
maiden name, date and place of birth, occupation, former residence
and army draft information. Since a percentage of Jewish births were
not registered, Books of Residents and Census Records are sometimes
the only source of information on certain individuals.

For several years JRI-Poland, in cooperation with the Polish State
Archives, has been indexing these sources (in a number of PSA branches
around Poland). As the indexing of civil records for most towns in Poland
has been rapidly advancing, a decision was made to expand the indexing
of Books of Residents / Census records to all branches of the PSA with
such record sources.

As a result, an annex to the JRI-Poland/PSA agreement was signed in
early 2005 that formalizes this expansion of JRI-Poland activity to include
not only Books of Residents / Census records, but also other types of
records with genealogical content.

Although these records are generally listed in the PSA "ELA" online
database (www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=43), the information is in Polish
nd not all descriptions are uniform. Therefore, JRI-Poland has been
working with directors of PSA branches to establish inventories of the
most logical books to be indexed. As information on a town source is
received, researchers for that town will be advised of the availability of
such records. If researchers have documented the existence of such
registers for their towns, the next step they should take is to contact
the JRI-Poland Archive Coordinator for the branch of the Polish State
Archives that covers their town.

Similar to vital records, as the indexing is funded, this data will be
eligible
to be added to the JRI-Poland online database. Since more detailed
information is recorded in the Books of Residents & Census indexing
projects files and the indices are being created while referencing the
actual volumes at the branch archives, the costs associated with this
data entry are relatively higher than vital records indexing. This indexing
is being done by the State Archives' staff archivists (working in off-
hours directly for and hired by JRI-Poland).

As a result, it generally will be necessary to have an advance indications
of interest before work on specific towns can be started.

A number of town Books of Residents have already been indexed and
I am pleased to announce that indexing of the City of Radom Books of
Residents project is now underway at the Radom Archives.

More than 5000 entries have already been received and it is estimated
that there will be up to 40,000 entries when the work is completed by
mid-2006.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent U.S.
non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Re: English immigration records #unitedkingdom

N.Landau@...
 

From: "A Savitzky" <asav@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:29:21 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1
What sort of immigration controls were in effect at
that
time? Would they have been required to provide documents/background
information to someone, somewhere, somehow in order to be admitted? If
so,
how would I search for it? Any help in aiming me in the right direction
will certainly be appreciated.
See http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/immigration.htm

This refers to National Archive Research Guide 50 Immigrants

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enationalarchives%2Egov%2Euk%2Fcatalogue%2Fleaflets%2Fri2157%2Ehtm&lBack=-1

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: English immigration records #unitedkingdom

N.Landau@...
 

From: "A Savitzky" <asav@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:29:21 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1
What sort of immigration controls were in effect at
that
time? Would they have been required to provide documents/background
information to someone, somewhere, somehow in order to be admitted? If
so,
how would I search for it? Any help in aiming me in the right direction
will certainly be appreciated.
See http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/immigration.htm

This refers to National Archive Research Guide 50 Immigrants

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enationalarchives%2Egov%2Euk%2Fcatalogue%2Fleaflets%2Fri2157%2Ehtm&lBack=-1

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


Re: English Immigration Records #unitedkingdom

Peter J E Brunning <peter@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

Subject: English immigration records
From: "A Savitzky" <asav@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:29:21 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1
...
I am fairly certain that they came to England as adults around
(wild guess) 1895. What sort of immigration controls were in effect at that
time? Would they have been required to provide documents/background
information to someone, somewhere, somehow in order to be admitted? If so,
how would I search for it?


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: English Immigration Records #unitedkingdom

Peter J E Brunning <peter@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

Subject: English immigration records
From: "A Savitzky" <asav@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:29:21 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1
...
I am fairly certain that they came to England as adults around
(wild guess) 1895. What sort of immigration controls were in effect at that
time? Would they have been required to provide documents/background
information to someone, somewhere, somehow in order to be admitted? If so,
how would I search for it?


St. Louis Jewish newspapers pre 1909 #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

I am looking for the obits of several Millner relatives that may have
appeared in the St.Louis, MO, Jewish newspaper(s) between 1900 and 1909.
Would anyone know of an archive that may have these St. Louis newspapers.
The librarian at the Brodsky Jewish library in St. Louis told me that their
archive did not have any Jewish papers that when back that far.
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
MILLNER, ROUDMAN, RUDMAN, KRUTANSKY, KAYE, KRAY, KROUT, CHALIK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen St. Louis Jewish newspapers pre 1909 #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

I am looking for the obits of several Millner relatives that may have
appeared in the St.Louis, MO, Jewish newspaper(s) between 1900 and 1909.
Would anyone know of an archive that may have these St. Louis newspapers.
The librarian at the Brodsky Jewish library in St. Louis told me that their
archive did not have any Jewish papers that when back that far.
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
MILLNER, ROUDMAN, RUDMAN, KRUTANSKY, KAYE, KRAY, KROUT, CHALIK