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source of NY State town, city, and county contact info #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

For vital events that occurred in New York State (excluding New York City
and, at one time, Albany, Buffalo, and Yonkers), records are filed both with
the town or city clerk and the State. With prices now at $30 for vital
records >from the New York State Dept. of Health ($22 for genealogy copies),
these local offices are a good alternative. Two clerks I recently contacted,
in the towns of Liberty and Monroe, charged $10 each for death records and
mailed them within a week. Like the State, the local clerks apply
restrictions to the release of marriage and death records under 50 years old
and birth records under 75 years old.

For links to the official government websites for counties, cities, towns,
and villages in New York State see:

www.nysegov.com/citguide.cfm?context=citguide&content=munibyalpha

Note that in NYC metropolitan area counties of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester,
and Rockland, and perhaps elsewhere in the state, towns are large
governmental entities that encompass many communities. For example, my own
community, Dix Hills, is part of the larger Town of Huntington. If you don't
find a locality on the list, you'll need to look into the political
divisions of the area.

For more information on New York State vital records, see
www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen source of NY State town, city, and county contact info #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

For vital events that occurred in New York State (excluding New York City
and, at one time, Albany, Buffalo, and Yonkers), records are filed both with
the town or city clerk and the State. With prices now at $30 for vital
records >from the New York State Dept. of Health ($22 for genealogy copies),
these local offices are a good alternative. Two clerks I recently contacted,
in the towns of Liberty and Monroe, charged $10 each for death records and
mailed them within a week. Like the State, the local clerks apply
restrictions to the release of marriage and death records under 50 years old
and birth records under 75 years old.

For links to the official government websites for counties, cities, towns,
and villages in New York State see:

www.nysegov.com/citguide.cfm?context=citguide&content=munibyalpha

Note that in NYC metropolitan area counties of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester,
and Rockland, and perhaps elsewhere in the state, towns are large
governmental entities that encompass many communities. For example, my own
community, Dix Hills, is part of the larger Town of Huntington. If you don't
find a locality on the list, you'll need to look into the political
divisions of the area.

For more information on New York State vital records, see
www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@...


Status Update on the Proposed US Regulations Addressing Access to Birth Records #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners:

This is a status update on the proposed regulations addressing access to
birth records resulting >from enactment of the Intelligence Reform Act by the
U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Bush December 2004.

The latest information is that public review will likely NOT start until
summer (August) 2006! Once the proposed regulations are released, the
public review time is a sixty (60) day process. The Department of Health
and Human Services (HHS) has determined that they need an independent
economic analysis of the cost of the what they are proposing. They are
hoping to award a cost/benefit contract by the end of this month (January
2006) . Once the cost benefit analysis is completed, HHS and the Office of
Management Budget (OMB) will have a political discussion about the
regulations, focusing on whether the federal government has the budget and
ability to enforce the proposed regulations.

The FGS/NGS Records Preservation and Access Committee, on which the IAJGS is
represented, submitted on behalf of the genealogical community, a
recommendation to HHS staff last Fall, to permit the states to provide
informational birth record copies. It is our understanding that the current
recommendation will allow non-certified copies to be made available and or
retained.

However, until the proposed regulations are released this summer, nothing
is 100% certain. When the proposed regulations are released this summer
this is a provision we will work hard to assure is included and retained, or
if it is not included for it to be included. IAJGS will keep you informed
as to when the proposed regulations are available.

For back ground information on this issue, please see the September issue of
the Echo at http://www.iajgs.org/echo/echoissues.htm. In order to read this
PDF file it is necessary to install Adobe Acrobat Reader on your computer
which is available for free by accessing the site at:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html .

If you have any questions, please contact me.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access and Monitoring Committee


Kevage Berna, County of Keva #general

Angie Elfassi
 

Hello all,

I would like to publically thank all the very many
genners who replied to my query.

It would appear that it's Kiev Guberniya, although
some did suggest Kovno, but based on other facts that
I have, Kiev is the right one.

Much obliged to all.
Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Status Update on the Proposed US Regulations Addressing Access to Birth Records #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners:

This is a status update on the proposed regulations addressing access to
birth records resulting >from enactment of the Intelligence Reform Act by the
U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Bush December 2004.

The latest information is that public review will likely NOT start until
summer (August) 2006! Once the proposed regulations are released, the
public review time is a sixty (60) day process. The Department of Health
and Human Services (HHS) has determined that they need an independent
economic analysis of the cost of the what they are proposing. They are
hoping to award a cost/benefit contract by the end of this month (January
2006) . Once the cost benefit analysis is completed, HHS and the Office of
Management Budget (OMB) will have a political discussion about the
regulations, focusing on whether the federal government has the budget and
ability to enforce the proposed regulations.

The FGS/NGS Records Preservation and Access Committee, on which the IAJGS is
represented, submitted on behalf of the genealogical community, a
recommendation to HHS staff last Fall, to permit the states to provide
informational birth record copies. It is our understanding that the current
recommendation will allow non-certified copies to be made available and or
retained.

However, until the proposed regulations are released this summer, nothing
is 100% certain. When the proposed regulations are released this summer
this is a provision we will work hard to assure is included and retained, or
if it is not included for it to be included. IAJGS will keep you informed
as to when the proposed regulations are available.

For back ground information on this issue, please see the September issue of
the Echo at http://www.iajgs.org/echo/echoissues.htm. In order to read this
PDF file it is necessary to install Adobe Acrobat Reader on your computer
which is available for free by accessing the site at:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html .

If you have any questions, please contact me.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access and Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kevage Berna, County of Keva #general

Angie Elfassi
 

Hello all,

I would like to publically thank all the very many
genners who replied to my query.

It would appear that it's Kiev Guberniya, although
some did suggest Kovno, but based on other facts that
I have, Kiev is the right one.

Much obliged to all.
Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel


Benjamin Zeev RAPAPORT's Brothers #rabbinic

Andres Carciente
 

I would be interested to know who were Benjamin Zeev RAPAPORT's
brothers?

What were their names? When and where were they born and when and
where did they die???

B.Z. RAPAPORT was the famous Rabbi of Papa, Hungary

Any information would be appreciated,

Andres Carciente
Budapest

RAPAPORT, STARK, ROTTMAN, BREUER, DICK, SCHWARCZ, NEULANDER,
ALTER, GOLDBERGER, FELDMAR, POLLAK, JEREMIAS, ADLER, LIPSCHITZ,
WEISZ, GRUNWALD, SPITZ, HERSKOVITS, BRUNNER, SZIMKOWICZ,
WEINSTOCK: (Satoraljaujhely)
RAPAPORT,FOHN:(Monostorpalyi)
RAPAPORT,LOWI:(Nyracsad),RAPAPORT,SPIEGEL (Vasarosnameny).


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Benjamin Zeev RAPAPORT's Brothers #rabbinic

Andres Carciente
 

I would be interested to know who were Benjamin Zeev RAPAPORT's
brothers?

What were their names? When and where were they born and when and
where did they die???

B.Z. RAPAPORT was the famous Rabbi of Papa, Hungary

Any information would be appreciated,

Andres Carciente
Budapest

RAPAPORT, STARK, ROTTMAN, BREUER, DICK, SCHWARCZ, NEULANDER,
ALTER, GOLDBERGER, FELDMAR, POLLAK, JEREMIAS, ADLER, LIPSCHITZ,
WEISZ, GRUNWALD, SPITZ, HERSKOVITS, BRUNNER, SZIMKOWICZ,
WEINSTOCK: (Satoraljaujhely)
RAPAPORT,FOHN:(Monostorpalyi)
RAPAPORT,LOWI:(Nyracsad),RAPAPORT,SPIEGEL (Vasarosnameny).


TURNER #general

NRD1616@...
 

Upon researching the TURNER family,
I found Rav Yitzchok Turner, who wrote Manhegai Ashkanaz, towards the
end of the 1400s. He was one of the last Rishonim.
Legend has it that his daughter married the Prince of Hungary,
who became a Ger Zedek. He was killed before the child was born.
Does anyone have any followup on that child?

There was a Wolf Torna who married Bondel Eshkeles, >from the
famous Viennese family, in the 1700s. She was a descendent >from
Rebbe Reb Hesehel. Doe anyone have more info about this family?

N. Dreyfuss


Mt. Hebron Cemetery NY burial #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I've got a strange event here. My grandmother's nephew, Benjamin
Wachsberger, died in NYC December 17, 1936. According to his death
certificate, he was buried at Mt. Hebron Cemetery. I called the cemetery
last week, and was told they have no record of his burial. Alternate
spellings of Waxberger and Waksberger were tried, to no avail. Even if
he was later disinterred and buried elsewhere, I would assume the
cemetery would have a record of the disinterment, if not of the cemetery
to which he would have been removed. Can anyone suggest other possibilities?

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TURNER #general

NRD1616@...
 

Upon researching the TURNER family,
I found Rav Yitzchok Turner, who wrote Manhegai Ashkanaz, towards the
end of the 1400s. He was one of the last Rishonim.
Legend has it that his daughter married the Prince of Hungary,
who became a Ger Zedek. He was killed before the child was born.
Does anyone have any followup on that child?

There was a Wolf Torna who married Bondel Eshkeles, >from the
famous Viennese family, in the 1700s. She was a descendent >from
Rebbe Reb Hesehel. Doe anyone have more info about this family?

N. Dreyfuss


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Hebron Cemetery NY burial #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I've got a strange event here. My grandmother's nephew, Benjamin
Wachsberger, died in NYC December 17, 1936. According to his death
certificate, he was buried at Mt. Hebron Cemetery. I called the cemetery
last week, and was told they have no record of his burial. Alternate
spellings of Waxberger and Waksberger were tried, to no avail. Even if
he was later disinterred and buried elsewhere, I would assume the
cemetery would have a record of the disinterment, if not of the cemetery
to which he would have been removed. Can anyone suggest other possibilities?

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


Shaul BRAUDE from Cracow, d. ca. 1790 #rabbinic

NRD1616@...
 

Shaul BRAUDE Hamagid ben R' Avrohom, >from Cracow, died around 1790,
is my ancestor.

Does anyone know if these BRAUDEs are related to Rav Zvi Hirsh
Salanter BRAUDE's family?

Does anyone have the BRAUDE family tree?

N. Dreyfuss


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Shaul BRAUDE from Cracow, d. ca. 1790 #rabbinic

NRD1616@...
 

Shaul BRAUDE Hamagid ben R' Avrohom, >from Cracow, died around 1790,
is my ancestor.

Does anyone know if these BRAUDEs are related to Rav Zvi Hirsh
Salanter BRAUDE's family?

Does anyone have the BRAUDE family tree?

N. Dreyfuss


Re: Burial permit for Philadelphia #general

dennis gries
 

On the following question:

<snip> But how does one find the place of burial when a person dies in
Mexico and the body is brought to Philadelphia to be buried? How would one
find the place of burial in Philadelphia when the death certificate is from
another country?

As a Phila area researcher.I offer the following.

1. Do you know the date of the death? If so, there might be an obit,
either in a general circulation paper like the Inquirer, or a more specific
Jewish pub like the Exponent. Either might give the place and date of
interment. Rather beats dealing with governments. Because today is a
holiday, can't call governments, but here are some ideas.

After this bit, we turn to a search engine.

2. Pennsylvania code for burials can be found using the following url.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:pN6HCsK3nEAJ:www.cga.ct.gov/2004/act/Pa
/2004PA-00255-R00HB-05628-PA.htm+pennsylvania+burial+permit&hl=en

This is a recent rewrite.

Be sure to combine both lines.

(MODERATOR NOTE: the following link will lead to the same webpage:
www.tinyurl.com/aqqcy)

Note that the "The Chief Medical Examiner, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner and
associate medical examiners shall be considered subregistrars of any town in
which death occurs for the purpose of issuing burial permits and removal
permits. The fee for such burial permit and burial transit removal permit
shall be paid to the town in which the death occurred. " This is called the
County Coroner in some counties.

3. So, you need to consider the Medical Examiner's office in each County.
For Phila.the office number on the website is -215-685-7470, but my personal
dealings through the staff were directed to 685-7456.
.
You need to consider that >from some point forward, most burials have been
outside the city in adjacent Delaware, Montgomery, and Bucks in PA, and also
in NJ counties across the Delaware River.

Good luck

Dennis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Burial permit for Philadelphia #general

dennis gries
 

On the following question:

<snip> But how does one find the place of burial when a person dies in
Mexico and the body is brought to Philadelphia to be buried? How would one
find the place of burial in Philadelphia when the death certificate is from
another country?

As a Phila area researcher.I offer the following.

1. Do you know the date of the death? If so, there might be an obit,
either in a general circulation paper like the Inquirer, or a more specific
Jewish pub like the Exponent. Either might give the place and date of
interment. Rather beats dealing with governments. Because today is a
holiday, can't call governments, but here are some ideas.

After this bit, we turn to a search engine.

2. Pennsylvania code for burials can be found using the following url.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:pN6HCsK3nEAJ:www.cga.ct.gov/2004/act/Pa
/2004PA-00255-R00HB-05628-PA.htm+pennsylvania+burial+permit&hl=en

This is a recent rewrite.

Be sure to combine both lines.

(MODERATOR NOTE: the following link will lead to the same webpage:
www.tinyurl.com/aqqcy)

Note that the "The Chief Medical Examiner, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner and
associate medical examiners shall be considered subregistrars of any town in
which death occurs for the purpose of issuing burial permits and removal
permits. The fee for such burial permit and burial transit removal permit
shall be paid to the town in which the death occurred. " This is called the
County Coroner in some counties.

3. So, you need to consider the Medical Examiner's office in each County.
For Phila.the office number on the website is -215-685-7470, but my personal
dealings through the staff were directed to 685-7456.
.
You need to consider that >from some point forward, most burials have been
outside the city in adjacent Delaware, Montgomery, and Bucks in PA, and also
in NJ counties across the Delaware River.

Good luck

Dennis


Rabbinic DNA #rabbinic

A. P. Korn <apkorn@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

There is probably not a few of us who have family traditions of
being descended >from a rav, rebbe or tzaddik; but, we don't know
how. This state of affairs is usually because those who knew the
details of the descent were murdered in the Shoah, or because of our
own "forgetfulness" due to assimilation in America. If there is no
written documentation to determine the descent, then other methods
of retrieving our genetic heritage are necessary.

I wish to ask this question: How many of you have tried DNA testing?
For instance, Y-chromosome haplotype determination can verify a
linkage to a rabbinic dynasty provided that the linkage is through
an all-male lineage. I know of one current project which focuses on
the various Auerbach (Orbach, Oyerbach, Urbach) rabbinic families,
but it has proved complex and confusing. On the other hand, if we
take not a macroscopic view, but a microscopic one, and ask a
straightforward question, like, "Am I related - through an all-male
lineage - to a certain, known living descendent of my suspected
rabbinic ancestor?" a comparison of my and his DNA should answer the
question! If anyone of you with a tradition of direct male descent
from famous pre-19th century Rabbinic dynasties or carrying a
Rabbinic name, such as Horowitz (Levite), Landau (Levite),
Abarbanel, Sa(s)porta, etc., has done Y-chromosome haplotype
determination, perhaps he can share some of his findings to help
those who have lost the knowledge of those illustrious chains that
many of us may share but are unable to verify.

Bivrachah,

Alex P. Korn
Toronto, Canada


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbinic DNA #rabbinic

A. P. Korn <apkorn@...>
 

Dear RavSIGgers,

There is probably not a few of us who have family traditions of
being descended >from a rav, rebbe or tzaddik; but, we don't know
how. This state of affairs is usually because those who knew the
details of the descent were murdered in the Shoah, or because of our
own "forgetfulness" due to assimilation in America. If there is no
written documentation to determine the descent, then other methods
of retrieving our genetic heritage are necessary.

I wish to ask this question: How many of you have tried DNA testing?
For instance, Y-chromosome haplotype determination can verify a
linkage to a rabbinic dynasty provided that the linkage is through
an all-male lineage. I know of one current project which focuses on
the various Auerbach (Orbach, Oyerbach, Urbach) rabbinic families,
but it has proved complex and confusing. On the other hand, if we
take not a macroscopic view, but a microscopic one, and ask a
straightforward question, like, "Am I related - through an all-male
lineage - to a certain, known living descendent of my suspected
rabbinic ancestor?" a comparison of my and his DNA should answer the
question! If anyone of you with a tradition of direct male descent
from famous pre-19th century Rabbinic dynasties or carrying a
Rabbinic name, such as Horowitz (Levite), Landau (Levite),
Abarbanel, Sa(s)porta, etc., has done Y-chromosome haplotype
determination, perhaps he can share some of his findings to help
those who have lost the knowledge of those illustrious chains that
many of us may share but are unable to verify.

Bivrachah,

Alex P. Korn
Toronto, Canada


Re: The Family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter (BRAUDE) #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

On 2006.01.13, Todd Brody <tbrody10@...> wrote:

So I have been researching the family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter
(BRAUDE) for a couple months and there appears to be a lot of
contradictory information >from different sources.
See my article in Avotaynu some years ago about the Braude genalogy
and how some errors have occurred.

Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: The Family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter (BRAUDE) #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

On 2006.01.13, Todd Brody <tbrody10@...> wrote:

So I have been researching the family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter
(BRAUDE) for a couple months and there appears to be a lot of
contradictory information >from different sources.
See my article in Avotaynu some years ago about the Braude genalogy
and how some errors have occurred.

Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J.