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Re: Lajos #hungary

SVass@...
 

<<Can anyone tell me what the English equivelent might be for Layos?>>

My father and his grandfather and his grandfather were named Lajos. (The first of these three was identified in the 1809 Trencsen census as Lazarus, in the 1818 census as Lazar, and in the 1828 census as Lajos.) My father adopted the name Aloysius when he came to the US. His Hebrew name was Eleazar.

Kent, WA, USA Sam


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Lajos #hungary

SVass@...
 

<<Can anyone tell me what the English equivelent might be for Layos?>>

My father and his grandfather and his grandfather were named Lajos. (The first of these three was identified in the 1809 Trencsen census as Lazarus, in the 1818 census as Lazar, and in the 1828 census as Lajos.) My father adopted the name Aloysius when he came to the US. His Hebrew name was Eleazar.

Kent, WA, USA Sam


*re: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Leslie and all,

This is beyond the issue we usually discuss, but an explanation is in order.

The problem of garbled text and lack of accents isn't caused by JewishGen *alone*. It is caused by how the Internet functions, namely an open network on which emails travel through hundreds of nodes (servers), many of which can cause the text's garbling and the elimination of accents, because they also are not configured to handle them.

Until the entire world adopts Unicode and implements it on all servers, the problem Leslie mentions remains without solution.

The use of pseudo-accents (such as a' or o:) is an acceptable solution for all those who whish to maintain the spellings' correctness.

Happy 2006 to all
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 29.12.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:22:30 EST
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello again,

It is sad that jewishgen has not been able to upgrade its internet programs
to deal with the accented Hungarian characters.
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Leslie and all,

This is beyond the issue we usually discuss, but an explanation is in order.

The problem of garbled text and lack of accents isn't caused by JewishGen *alone*. It is caused by how the Internet functions, namely an open network on which emails travel through hundreds of nodes (servers), many of which can cause the text's garbling and the elimination of accents, because they also are not configured to handle them.

Until the entire world adopts Unicode and implements it on all servers, the problem Leslie mentions remains without solution.

The use of pseudo-accents (such as a' or o:) is an acceptable solution for all those who whish to maintain the spellings' correctness.

Happy 2006 to all
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 29.12.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:22:30 EST
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello again,

It is sad that jewishgen has not been able to upgrade its internet programs
to deal with the accented Hungarian characters.
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Accented Hungarian and Hot Links #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear Leslie and All Other H-SIG Readers,

Yes, it's unfortunate that JewishGen's lists can't handle accented
fonts. We haven't estimated the exact cost of adding this feature but know that it would take
lots and lots of time and money because JG maintains many lists in
addition to our own H-SIG list. The annual cost of maintaining all of
the JG lists, which requires our technical staff to grapple with many
more issues than dealing than illegible fonts, now runs into six
figures. This may be a "no-brainer" for your individual mail but not
when you're handling thousands of messages a day. Moreover, this is
not a problem that is unique to those whose family language is
Hungarian. Remember that JG is maintaining lists for researchers that
speak many different languages including Cyrillic and Hebrew as well as
a multitude of accented fonts. We're doing what we can but please
remember that all of this does cost money.

Be aware that some user problems have to do with your own internet
service provider (ISP) and have nothing to do with JewishGen. Most of
us have no trouble communicating in plain text and creating and using
hot-links embedded in JewishGen and H-SIG messages. If you are unable
to do so, please complain to your ISP.

Finally, this is a good time to remind everyone that even though the
services you all enjoy (and continue to kvetch about) are still
available to all without a charge, they do not come without a cost to
someone. If you appreciate the services that JewishGen and your
Hungarian SIG provide, please consider a generous end-of-year donation
to JewishGen to help to pay for maintaining our servers and the staff
who support JG. In addition to supporting JewishGen operations, which
cover the cost of our server, financial operations, all of the
JewishGen discussion lists, and the maintenance of JG on-line
databases, please consider making a donation that is earmarked for the
Hungarian SIG. H-SIG maintains its own website and has created
databases with almost half a million records. While JG maintains our
databases and supports our operations, we still need help for H-SIG's
own projects. Although volunteers contribute hundreds of hours to
create the H-SIG databases, we need your assistance to cover H-SIG
expenses for postage, photocopying and filming records, and a host of
other items needed to continue providing the resources you all use.
Remember that your donations to JewishGen, for JG operations or for
H-SIG, are tax-deductible. Go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ for info about financial
support for our activities.

If you are truly unable to make a financial donation, consider donating
your time to help with any one of H-SIG's ongoing projects or create
your own! Check the H-SIG website for info about current projects or
contact H-SIG Research Coordinator Carol Robinson if you are willing to
donate your time and effort to develop and coordinate a new research
project. For more information, please go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/HSIGProjects.htm

Best wishes to all for a happy, healthy, and peaceful year in 2006. I
look forward to seeing many of you in New York next August for the
IAJGS Conference. Watch for info on sessions of particular interest to
H-SIG subscribers.

Minden jot!

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator

Subject: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:22:30 EST
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello again,

It is sad that jewishgen has not been able to upgrade its internet
programs
to deal with the accented Hungarian characters.

It is a no-brainer if one uses PC Computers and any operating system
like
Windows 98 or newer, (Like Windows MIL, 2000, XP, XP Pro etc.), the
systems
nowaday most uf us use.

I would suggest, JewishGen's inability -- for whatever reason -- to
update /
upgrade to the capability of dealing with ALL Hungarian characters
instead
of still requiring us to compose in plain-text format, is a
disservice in the
otherwise wonderful work being done.

I am also annoyed, that Internet links can not be used as clickable
references, a service that would eliminate many mistakes, errors and
frustration.

I realize, as usually, it may be a question of finances to move to a
service-setup without the "plain-text" restriction.

Such a move would help those not versed in the Hungarian language to
learn
while working with it, correctly spell (if at all possible) Hungarian
names
and places with the proper accentuation.

What would it take?

I am sure, among us there are many who could contribute Internet-WEB
space,
know-how, possibly programming etc.

I assume, there must be close to a thousand of us regularily using the
H-Sig.

How much contribution would it take?

It sure would be a great goal for 2006.

With Best Wishes to All for the Holidays,

with love

Leslie Eloed / Elo"d La'szlo' / Ladislaus Elo"d

California / USA


Re: Layos - First name #hungary

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Dorothy Kohanski posted as follows:

"Can anyone tell me what the English equivalent might be for Layos?"

Dear Dorothy,

This given name is spelled "Lajos" in Hungarian (pronounced Layosh). This
corresponded to the German secular name Ludwig, which was also widely used
by Hungarian Jews.

The usual English secular name adopted by immigrants to the US was
"Louis". This undoubtedly was influenced by the initial letter "L", a
common criterion used by Jews emigrating >from Hungary to English-speaking
countries.

Some of this information will be found by searching for the name "Lajos" on
the JewishGen Hungary Given Names Data Base web site:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

A new update to the data base is in the works.

Good luck with your research.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Accented Hungarian and Hot Links #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear Leslie and All Other H-SIG Readers,

Yes, it's unfortunate that JewishGen's lists can't handle accented
fonts. We haven't estimated the exact cost of adding this feature but know that it would take
lots and lots of time and money because JG maintains many lists in
addition to our own H-SIG list. The annual cost of maintaining all of
the JG lists, which requires our technical staff to grapple with many
more issues than dealing than illegible fonts, now runs into six
figures. This may be a "no-brainer" for your individual mail but not
when you're handling thousands of messages a day. Moreover, this is
not a problem that is unique to those whose family language is
Hungarian. Remember that JG is maintaining lists for researchers that
speak many different languages including Cyrillic and Hebrew as well as
a multitude of accented fonts. We're doing what we can but please
remember that all of this does cost money.

Be aware that some user problems have to do with your own internet
service provider (ISP) and have nothing to do with JewishGen. Most of
us have no trouble communicating in plain text and creating and using
hot-links embedded in JewishGen and H-SIG messages. If you are unable
to do so, please complain to your ISP.

Finally, this is a good time to remind everyone that even though the
services you all enjoy (and continue to kvetch about) are still
available to all without a charge, they do not come without a cost to
someone. If you appreciate the services that JewishGen and your
Hungarian SIG provide, please consider a generous end-of-year donation
to JewishGen to help to pay for maintaining our servers and the staff
who support JG. In addition to supporting JewishGen operations, which
cover the cost of our server, financial operations, all of the
JewishGen discussion lists, and the maintenance of JG on-line
databases, please consider making a donation that is earmarked for the
Hungarian SIG. H-SIG maintains its own website and has created
databases with almost half a million records. While JG maintains our
databases and supports our operations, we still need help for H-SIG's
own projects. Although volunteers contribute hundreds of hours to
create the H-SIG databases, we need your assistance to cover H-SIG
expenses for postage, photocopying and filming records, and a host of
other items needed to continue providing the resources you all use.
Remember that your donations to JewishGen, for JG operations or for
H-SIG, are tax-deductible. Go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ for info about financial
support for our activities.

If you are truly unable to make a financial donation, consider donating
your time to help with any one of H-SIG's ongoing projects or create
your own! Check the H-SIG website for info about current projects or
contact H-SIG Research Coordinator Carol Robinson if you are willing to
donate your time and effort to develop and coordinate a new research
project. For more information, please go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/HSIGProjects.htm

Best wishes to all for a happy, healthy, and peaceful year in 2006. I
look forward to seeing many of you in New York next August for the
IAJGS Conference. Watch for info on sessions of particular interest to
H-SIG subscribers.

Minden jot!

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator

Subject: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:22:30 EST
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello again,

It is sad that jewishgen has not been able to upgrade its internet
programs
to deal with the accented Hungarian characters.

It is a no-brainer if one uses PC Computers and any operating system
like
Windows 98 or newer, (Like Windows MIL, 2000, XP, XP Pro etc.), the
systems
nowaday most uf us use.

I would suggest, JewishGen's inability -- for whatever reason -- to
update /
upgrade to the capability of dealing with ALL Hungarian characters
instead
of still requiring us to compose in plain-text format, is a
disservice in the
otherwise wonderful work being done.

I am also annoyed, that Internet links can not be used as clickable
references, a service that would eliminate many mistakes, errors and
frustration.

I realize, as usually, it may be a question of finances to move to a
service-setup without the "plain-text" restriction.

Such a move would help those not versed in the Hungarian language to
learn
while working with it, correctly spell (if at all possible) Hungarian
names
and places with the proper accentuation.

What would it take?

I am sure, among us there are many who could contribute Internet-WEB
space,
know-how, possibly programming etc.

I assume, there must be close to a thousand of us regularily using the
H-Sig.

How much contribution would it take?

It sure would be a great goal for 2006.

With Best Wishes to All for the Holidays,

with love

Leslie Eloed / Elo"d La'szlo' / Ladislaus Elo"d

California / USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Layos - First name #hungary

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Dorothy Kohanski posted as follows:

"Can anyone tell me what the English equivalent might be for Layos?"

Dear Dorothy,

This given name is spelled "Lajos" in Hungarian (pronounced Layosh). This
corresponded to the German secular name Ludwig, which was also widely used
by Hungarian Jews.

The usual English secular name adopted by immigrants to the US was
"Louis". This undoubtedly was influenced by the initial letter "L", a
common criterion used by Jews emigrating >from Hungary to English-speaking
countries.

Some of this information will be found by searching for the name "Lajos" on
the JewishGen Hungary Given Names Data Base web site:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

A new update to the data base is in the works.

Good luck with your research.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Checking your sources #hungary

Alex W. Magocsi Jr. <alexander.magocsi@...>
 

To the Moderators:

My reference subject concerns all sources but is being written as a response to
the choice of words of one poster regarding Wikipedia. It is not an "extremely
dangerous source".

All sources need to be checked, whether the data you are referencing are in a
book, found on-line or in some digital library such as the Family History Centers.

As an example, we used to celebrate my Grandmother's birthday on 1 October 1893.
When she died, the stonemason was given only the birthyear by her son, my
Father. And when my family reviewed the LDS films of the Nyirbator birth
records, we discovered that her birthday was actually 30 September 1891.

So, in theory, since my Grandmother believed that she was born on 1 October 1893
and, if she used this date on any legal document here in the US, this means all
the legal sources here in the US are incorrect, assuming that the LDS microfilm
image is correct.

And this mistake was not done maliciously as was the data to which I believe the
poster on the 26th was referring. And the fact that the false, and insulting,
articles in Wikipedia were discovered and are being addressed, shows that the
Wikipedia system may be functioning.

I am not here to praise Wikipedia but merely to remind people to not believe
everything they hear or read.

Alex
York, Maine USA

Moderator: This is the last message that will be distributed on this subject. Please continue off-list unless replies are specifically relevant to to the scope of this list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Checking your sources #hungary

Alex W. Magocsi Jr. <alexander.magocsi@...>
 

To the Moderators:

My reference subject concerns all sources but is being written as a response to
the choice of words of one poster regarding Wikipedia. It is not an "extremely
dangerous source".

All sources need to be checked, whether the data you are referencing are in a
book, found on-line or in some digital library such as the Family History Centers.

As an example, we used to celebrate my Grandmother's birthday on 1 October 1893.
When she died, the stonemason was given only the birthyear by her son, my
Father. And when my family reviewed the LDS films of the Nyirbator birth
records, we discovered that her birthday was actually 30 September 1891.

So, in theory, since my Grandmother believed that she was born on 1 October 1893
and, if she used this date on any legal document here in the US, this means all
the legal sources here in the US are incorrect, assuming that the LDS microfilm
image is correct.

And this mistake was not done maliciously as was the data to which I believe the
poster on the 26th was referring. And the fact that the false, and insulting,
articles in Wikipedia were discovered and are being addressed, shows that the
Wikipedia system may be functioning.

I am not here to praise Wikipedia but merely to remind people to not believe
everything they hear or read.

Alex
York, Maine USA

Moderator: This is the last message that will be distributed on this subject. Please continue off-list unless replies are specifically relevant to to the scope of this list.


Re: Wikipedia #hungary

Israel P
 

Hear Hear!!

Israel Pickholtz

I would think, this warning information is far more genealogy-related than
discussion of the culinary arts >from memories three generations out of
time. I still feel, fank and its likes as well as chickenpaprikas should
remain off sig rather than these very important messages.

Thank you

Leslie Eloed
California USA
Moderator: Your moderator determined that a limited discussion of the different Chanukah traditions of Hungarian Jewish families was relevant to the purpose of this list because culinary customs often provide clues to our family backgrounds. Discussion of resources such as Wikipedia that are not specifically related to either genealogy or Hungarian family research is not within the scope of this list. I did, however, approve the initial message warning those who use this resource. Not surprisingly, H-SIG subscribers have widely differing views on these topics!


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:Wikipedia #hungary

Israel P
 

Hear Hear!!

Israel Pickholtz

I would think, this warning information is far more genealogy-related than
discussion of the culinary arts >from memories three generations out of
time. I still feel, fank and its likes as well as chickenpaprikas should
remain off sig rather than these very important messages.

Thank you

Leslie Eloed
California USA
Moderator: Your moderator determined that a limited discussion of the different Chanukah traditions of Hungarian Jewish families was relevant to the purpose of this list because culinary customs often provide clues to our family backgrounds. Discussion of resources such as Wikipedia that are not specifically related to either genealogy or Hungarian family research is not within the scope of this list. I did, however, approve the initial message warning those who use this resource. Not surprisingly, H-SIG subscribers have widely differing views on these topics!


Re: Layos - First name = LAJOS #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Hello Dorothy

Whats more, Louis is generally translated into Hungarian as Lajos, such as
in History texts, names of Kings etc. But please keep in mind, that
regardless of how you pronounce it, the proper spelling is LAJOS.

Leslie Eloed

Caliornia USA

In a message dated 12/27/2005 10:44:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dkohanski@... writes:
Dear SIG,
Can anyone tell me what the English equivelent might be for Layos?
Thanks,
Dorothy Kohanski
dkohnski@...

Moderator: Hungarian males named Lajos (pronounced Layosh) often used the
name Louis in the US.


What Is Fank? #hungary

kraus@...
 

Dear Moderator,
What is the meaning of the word fank? I can't find it in my dictionaries.

Anyway I enjoyed very much "the discussion of the culinary arts >from memories
three generations out of time". As only a second generation I still have
real "warm Hungarian blood" and according to me these discussions give the
good and warm atmosphere to the Hungarian SIG. A good atmosphere helps
creating private connections between H-sigers . The H-SIG is not a
professional SIG and that is why there is place to " chickenpaprikas " etc,
Happy Hanukah to you and all Hsigers
Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel



Quoting H-SIG digest <h-sig@...>:

H-SIG Digest for Tuesday, December 27, 2005.

1. Re: Wikipedia

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Wikipedia
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:53:13 EST
X-Message-Number: 1

Dera Moderator,

I would think, this warning information is far more genealogy-related than
discussion of the culinary arts >from memories three generations out of time.
I
still feel, fank and its likes as well as chickenpaprikas should remain off
sig rather than these very important messages.

Thank you

Leslie Eloed
California USA




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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Layos - First name = LAJOS #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Hello Dorothy

Whats more, Louis is generally translated into Hungarian as Lajos, such as
in History texts, names of Kings etc. But please keep in mind, that
regardless of how you pronounce it, the proper spelling is LAJOS.

Leslie Eloed

Caliornia USA

In a message dated 12/27/2005 10:44:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dkohanski@... writes:
Dear SIG,
Can anyone tell me what the English equivelent might be for Layos?
Thanks,
Dorothy Kohanski
dkohnski@...

Moderator: Hungarian males named Lajos (pronounced Layosh) often used the
name Louis in the US.


Hungary SIG #Hungary What Is Fank? #hungary

kraus@...
 

Dear Moderator,
What is the meaning of the word fank? I can't find it in my dictionaries.

Anyway I enjoyed very much "the discussion of the culinary arts >from memories
three generations out of time". As only a second generation I still have
real "warm Hungarian blood" and according to me these discussions give the
good and warm atmosphere to the Hungarian SIG. A good atmosphere helps
creating private connections between H-sigers . The H-SIG is not a
professional SIG and that is why there is place to " chickenpaprikas " etc,
Happy Hanukah to you and all Hsigers
Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel



Quoting H-SIG digest <h-sig@...>:

H-SIG Digest for Tuesday, December 27, 2005.

1. Re: Wikipedia

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Wikipedia
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:53:13 EST
X-Message-Number: 1

Dera Moderator,

I would think, this warning information is far more genealogy-related than
discussion of the culinary arts >from memories three generations out of time.
I
still feel, fank and its likes as well as chickenpaprikas should remain off
sig rather than these very important messages.

Thank you

Leslie Eloed
California USA




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Anyone heard of town 'Vikny' Russia? 1880's?? #general

Michelle Sint <sintyltd@...>
 

Relatives found on 1901 British Census saying they came >from a town or city
called Vikny..in Russia/Poland/Ukraine??.but cant find it. maybe I go the
spelling wrong? Ideas where to research?
replies please to aubrey@...
Michelle Sint


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Anyone heard of town 'Vikny' Russia? 1880's?? #general

Michelle Sint <sintyltd@...>
 

Relatives found on 1901 British Census saying they came >from a town or city
called Vikny..in Russia/Poland/Ukraine??.but cant find it. maybe I go the
spelling wrong? Ideas where to research?
replies please to aubrey@...
Michelle Sint


Re: Kovno Birth Records #general

Joel Ratner
 

Jonny Joseph wrote:

The 1901 English Census notes that my grandparents were born in
Kovno/Kaunas, Lithuania.

Based on their ages, my guess is they were born >from 1868 - 1872. Can
someone direct me as to how I can research their birth records?

Many thanks,

Jonny Joseph


Sources for the Kovno birth records are the Lithuanian Archives in Vilna,
LitvakSIG, as well as your local Family History Library. Please contact me
to find out more about these records.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Kovno Birth Records #general

Joel Ratner
 

Jonny Joseph wrote:

The 1901 English Census notes that my grandparents were born in
Kovno/Kaunas, Lithuania.

Based on their ages, my guess is they were born >from 1868 - 1872. Can
someone direct me as to how I can research their birth records?

Many thanks,

Jonny Joseph


Sources for the Kovno birth records are the Lithuanian Archives in Vilna,
LitvakSIG, as well as your local Family History Library. Please contact me
to find out more about these records.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group