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Re: Warsaw Cemetery #general

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

Eilat on a previous post thanked Yisroel Szpilman, the Manager of the
Warsaw Cemetery for helping to find family gravestones.

< Thanks to Mr. Szpilman we now have 3 pictures of the grave stone with
information ( born in Ilja in 1867 to Zvi Rudnia, passed away in 1928
in Warsaw) . We received the attached pictures only hours after we emailed
the original request.

The Warsaw Cemetery Database created by Yisroel Szpilman can also be
found on the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland (JRI-Poland) database.
http://www.jri-poland.org Mr. Szpilman periodically updates JRI-Poland
with his latest additions. JRI-Poland also donated to the Warsaw Cemetery a
digital camera to assist Mr. Szpilman in his special work. I was
particularly pleased to hear that Eilat received digital copies of the
gravestones within hours of his request. It shows that our gift is
being put to good work.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent non-profit U.S.
tax-exempt organization and is hosted by JewishGen.

Hadassah Lipsius
Associate Director
JRI-Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Warsaw Cemetery #general

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

Eilat on a previous post thanked Yisroel Szpilman, the Manager of the
Warsaw Cemetery for helping to find family gravestones.

< Thanks to Mr. Szpilman we now have 3 pictures of the grave stone with
information ( born in Ilja in 1867 to Zvi Rudnia, passed away in 1928
in Warsaw) . We received the attached pictures only hours after we emailed
the original request.

The Warsaw Cemetery Database created by Yisroel Szpilman can also be
found on the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland (JRI-Poland) database.
http://www.jri-poland.org Mr. Szpilman periodically updates JRI-Poland
with his latest additions. JRI-Poland also donated to the Warsaw Cemetery a
digital camera to assist Mr. Szpilman in his special work. I was
particularly pleased to hear that Eilat received digital copies of the
gravestones within hours of his request. It shows that our gift is
being put to good work.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent non-profit U.S.
tax-exempt organization and is hosted by JewishGen.

Hadassah Lipsius
Associate Director
JRI-Poland


Karpel from Ukraine and Gallob from Vilna #poland

Brian <abriwin@...>
 

Do these combinations ring any bells?

My grandfather was >from Lutsk no further info available apart >from
one brother who went to Buenos Aires, a sister Anna l.h.o. in Odessa
and possibly another brother who went to SA.

Gallob, Gollob, Gollop etc.....
Rabbi Abraham Gallob >from Vilnius? Most family emigrated to the US my
grandmother stayed in London UK (arr. 1903).

Happy hanukah and good luck with family finding.

Brian Winter researching:
Karpel, Gallob, Winter, de Winter, Konigswinter, Frenk,
Querido, Pino, Vas Nunes, Bouteljie, Van Emden,..

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Karpel from Ukraine and Gallob from Vilna #poland

Brian <abriwin@...>
 

Do these combinations ring any bells?

My grandfather was >from Lutsk no further info available apart >from
one brother who went to Buenos Aires, a sister Anna l.h.o. in Odessa
and possibly another brother who went to SA.

Gallob, Gollob, Gollop etc.....
Rabbi Abraham Gallob >from Vilnius? Most family emigrated to the US my
grandmother stayed in London UK (arr. 1903).

Happy hanukah and good luck with family finding.

Brian Winter researching:
Karpel, Gallob, Winter, de Winter, Konigswinter, Frenk,
Querido, Pino, Vas Nunes, Bouteljie, Van Emden,..

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: Belchatow Films at the LDS #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

The Cyrillic indices in the LDS Belchatow's microfilms were indexed by
volunteers prior to the creation of Shtetl CO-OPs. Some other towns have
produced or are now creating finding aids for films containing records for
their towns. Indexing of Belchatow films was completed before this began.
However there is a webpage on JRI-Poland that is helpful to review before
researching family in the Belchatow films. See:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/town/belchatow_txt.htm Indexing is complete
for the Belchatow films listed here in this early "inventory." Many CO-OP
groups later also indexed more of the data by reviewing the actual records
themselves, adding to what exists in ledgers' indices created by the Polish
scribes. Belchatow has slowly been doing this for some of the films.

However, it would be very helpful for researchers to have a finding aid for
each of the Belchatow films. As many of you know, I am registration chair
of the International IAJGS Jewish Genealogy Conference and cannot be
involved with this now. However, having this finding aid for Belchatow
films is a wonderful idea and not very difficult to do. If you are
interested in volunteering to create an inventory for a particular
Bellchatow film or films, please contact me privately and I will send you
a sample of what was done for another town. Once a finding aid is complete,
we can link it to the results page.

If your interest is Belchatow, please also see updated Belchatow Yizkor Book
translations and the Belchatow ShtetLink web pages listed under my
signature. If you plan to attend the conference, please let me know since
we will be having a Belchatow Birds-of-a-Feather meeting. LARG (Lodz Area
Research Group) members will be notified within the next 2 months about a
LARG meeting to be held at the Conference.

Have a Happy Chanukah!!!
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Scarsdale, New York
Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jgsny2006.org/

***************
Hazel Sandow Boon wrote on Dec 22, 2005:

As some of you know I have been going through the films held by the LDS to
extract records for my SADOWSKI family. I was doing well until I reached
film 1189029. On prior films all the records were Jewish. With this film one
must scroll past the parish records to find the grouping of Jewish records.
I was able to identify these as Jewish by the names of the witnesses which I
recognized >from previous records--there are no longer Hebrew signatures.
With the help of the index obtained >from searching JRI-Poland I was able to
find most of the SADOWSKI records. However there was one record listed
(SADOWSKA, Sura Mindlja - 1870 - D - Akt 11) which I was unable to locate
because the Jewish group of records began at 1871. There was another
grouping of records after the Jewish group. Akt 11 in what I thought would
be the death records didn't look right to me but I decided to print it
none-the-less. I've had it translated and can now confirm that this isn't
the correct record.

I'm sending this for 2 reasons...first so that anyone else looking at these
films will know to continue beyond the initial records; secondly I'm hoping
that someone else may have used this film as well as 1713996 & 1713997
(which seem to have similar issues in how they are organized) and can give
me some guidance for finding the correct records.

Thanks as always,
Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Belchatow Films at the LDS #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

The Cyrillic indices in the LDS Belchatow's microfilms were indexed by
volunteers prior to the creation of Shtetl CO-OPs. Some other towns have
produced or are now creating finding aids for films containing records for
their towns. Indexing of Belchatow films was completed before this began.
However there is a webpage on JRI-Poland that is helpful to review before
researching family in the Belchatow films. See:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/town/belchatow_txt.htm Indexing is complete
for the Belchatow films listed here in this early "inventory." Many CO-OP
groups later also indexed more of the data by reviewing the actual records
themselves, adding to what exists in ledgers' indices created by the Polish
scribes. Belchatow has slowly been doing this for some of the films.

However, it would be very helpful for researchers to have a finding aid for
each of the Belchatow films. As many of you know, I am registration chair
of the International IAJGS Jewish Genealogy Conference and cannot be
involved with this now. However, having this finding aid for Belchatow
films is a wonderful idea and not very difficult to do. If you are
interested in volunteering to create an inventory for a particular
Bellchatow film or films, please contact me privately and I will send you
a sample of what was done for another town. Once a finding aid is complete,
we can link it to the results page.

If your interest is Belchatow, please also see updated Belchatow Yizkor Book
translations and the Belchatow ShtetLink web pages listed under my
signature. If you plan to attend the conference, please let me know since
we will be having a Belchatow Birds-of-a-Feather meeting. LARG (Lodz Area
Research Group) members will be notified within the next 2 months about a
LARG meeting to be held at the Conference.

Have a Happy Chanukah!!!
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Scarsdale, New York
Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jgsny2006.org/

***************
Hazel Sandow Boon wrote on Dec 22, 2005:

As some of you know I have been going through the films held by the LDS to
extract records for my SADOWSKI family. I was doing well until I reached
film 1189029. On prior films all the records were Jewish. With this film one
must scroll past the parish records to find the grouping of Jewish records.
I was able to identify these as Jewish by the names of the witnesses which I
recognized >from previous records--there are no longer Hebrew signatures.
With the help of the index obtained >from searching JRI-Poland I was able to
find most of the SADOWSKI records. However there was one record listed
(SADOWSKA, Sura Mindlja - 1870 - D - Akt 11) which I was unable to locate
because the Jewish group of records began at 1871. There was another
grouping of records after the Jewish group. Akt 11 in what I thought would
be the death records didn't look right to me but I decided to print it
none-the-less. I've had it translated and can now confirm that this isn't
the correct record.

I'm sending this for 2 reasons...first so that anyone else looking at these
films will know to continue beyond the initial records; secondly I'm hoping
that someone else may have used this film as well as 1713996 & 1713997
(which seem to have similar issues in how they are organized) and can give
me some guidance for finding the correct records.

Thanks as always,
Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada


Re: Missing records? #poland

Mark Halpern
 

For the specific Zborow birth records >from 1877 through 1890, the
records for each year >from 1877 through 1889 appear to be complete.
There are no gaps in the chronological numbering of the birth acts and
the total number of births in each year is within the 100-150 range. The
only question is for the 1890 births where the chronological births end
at #84. When a register book is complete, the registrar starts another
book. The next book could still contain 1890 births as well as births
from many years after 1890.
As many of you know, Polish privacy laws protect vital records for 100
years. When the next Zborow birth register contains records all over 100
years old, that register will be transferred >from the Warsaw USC (civil
records office) to the AGAD Archives and JRI-Poland will index these
records. The last volume of births contained 14 years, so I would expect
the next Zborow birth register to be transferred in 2006 or 2008
(registers have been transferred every two years in the past). We do
know that the Warsaw USC holds Zborow births for 1890-1925, 1936-1942,
but do not know how many years the next register book contains.

We still do not know why only 3 of the 5 expected birth records are
recorded in Zborow. There are many reasons why this may happen and I
will provide a few scenarios to consider. Others should feel free to add
to this list, which may provide researchers, who have similar problems,
some new research strategies.

1. Your ancestors only registered their son's and not their daughter's
births. My great grandparents in Tarnopol registered their sons in the
year they were born. Their daughters' births, including that of my
grandmother in 1870, were not registered until 1908.

2. The births took place in another town. I heard a story where births
in a Galician family occurred alternately at the houses of the two sets
of grandparents, who lived in different towns. So children 1,3,5, etc.
were born at the paternal grandparent's house and children 2,4,6, etc.
were born at the maternal grandparent's house.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
I've located some of my ancestors in the JRI-PL records for
Zborow. There was a family with six children, five of which should
be covered by the timeframe listed for the available Zborow
records. Only three of the five have records.

Are some of the JRI-PL records known to be incomplete for the years
they purport to cover (births 1877-1890)?

Thanks,
Howard Spindel


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Missing records? #poland

Mark Halpern
 

For the specific Zborow birth records >from 1877 through 1890, the
records for each year >from 1877 through 1889 appear to be complete.
There are no gaps in the chronological numbering of the birth acts and
the total number of births in each year is within the 100-150 range. The
only question is for the 1890 births where the chronological births end
at #84. When a register book is complete, the registrar starts another
book. The next book could still contain 1890 births as well as births
from many years after 1890.
As many of you know, Polish privacy laws protect vital records for 100
years. When the next Zborow birth register contains records all over 100
years old, that register will be transferred >from the Warsaw USC (civil
records office) to the AGAD Archives and JRI-Poland will index these
records. The last volume of births contained 14 years, so I would expect
the next Zborow birth register to be transferred in 2006 or 2008
(registers have been transferred every two years in the past). We do
know that the Warsaw USC holds Zborow births for 1890-1925, 1936-1942,
but do not know how many years the next register book contains.

We still do not know why only 3 of the 5 expected birth records are
recorded in Zborow. There are many reasons why this may happen and I
will provide a few scenarios to consider. Others should feel free to add
to this list, which may provide researchers, who have similar problems,
some new research strategies.

1. Your ancestors only registered their son's and not their daughter's
births. My great grandparents in Tarnopol registered their sons in the
year they were born. Their daughters' births, including that of my
grandmother in 1870, were not registered until 1908.

2. The births took place in another town. I heard a story where births
in a Galician family occurred alternately at the houses of the two sets
of grandparents, who lived in different towns. So children 1,3,5, etc.
were born at the paternal grandparent's house and children 2,4,6, etc.
were born at the maternal grandparent's house.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
I've located some of my ancestors in the JRI-PL records for
Zborow. There was a family with six children, five of which should
be covered by the timeframe listed for the available Zborow
records. Only three of the five have records.

Are some of the JRI-PL records known to be incomplete for the years
they purport to cover (births 1877-1890)?

Thanks,
Howard Spindel


Kever of Tzvi Hirsh Braude ABD of Salant #rabbinic

Todd Brody
 

The Tzvi Hirsh that I am looking for is not the son-in-law of Simcha
Zisel Ziv, but rather the Tzvi Hirsh Braude who was the Rabbi of
Alsedziai and later the ABD of Salant where he was the teacher of
Rav Israel Salanter. I understand that this Tzvi Hirsh Braude died
in Israel in 1865. If anyone can help me find his kever, I would be
most appreciative. I am going to Israel next week and would love to
be able to visit his kever.

Todd Brody


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Kever of Tzvi Hirsh Braude ABD of Salant #rabbinic

Todd Brody
 

The Tzvi Hirsh that I am looking for is not the son-in-law of Simcha
Zisel Ziv, but rather the Tzvi Hirsh Braude who was the Rabbi of
Alsedziai and later the ABD of Salant where he was the teacher of
Rav Israel Salanter. I understand that this Tzvi Hirsh Braude died
in Israel in 1865. If anyone can help me find his kever, I would be
most appreciative. I am going to Israel next week and would love to
be able to visit his kever.

Todd Brody


Happy Hanukkah and Happy New Year (secular) #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I would like to wish all of you a Happy Hanukkah (or Merry Xmas to our
Christian subscribers) and a Prosperous and Healthy New Year.

As the holidays are rapidly approaching and 2005 is drawing to a close, I
hope that all of you will reflect on how your genealogy efforts have been
enhanced by the existence of the Belarus SIG and JewishGen. Please show
your appreciation by making a Hanukkah present to the Belarus SIG and
JewishGen. For those of you in the US and Canada, your present (donation)
is tax deductible. Simply go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=1

Pick a project or two that you have a personal interest, put in some for the
Belarus SIG General Fund and the JewishGen General Fund. Funds are needed
to continue the efforts to bring members more data to advance their research
efforts. Besides, you will fill good about "giving".

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@...
Belarus SIG Founder and Past Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus
http://homepage.mac.com/davefox73/


Belarus SIG #Belarus Happy Hanukkah and Happy New Year (secular) #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I would like to wish all of you a Happy Hanukkah (or Merry Xmas to our
Christian subscribers) and a Prosperous and Healthy New Year.

As the holidays are rapidly approaching and 2005 is drawing to a close, I
hope that all of you will reflect on how your genealogy efforts have been
enhanced by the existence of the Belarus SIG and JewishGen. Please show
your appreciation by making a Hanukkah present to the Belarus SIG and
JewishGen. For those of you in the US and Canada, your present (donation)
is tax deductible. Simply go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=1

Pick a project or two that you have a personal interest, put in some for the
Belarus SIG General Fund and the JewishGen General Fund. Funds are needed
to continue the efforts to bring members more data to advance their research
efforts. Besides, you will fill good about "giving".

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@...
Belarus SIG Founder and Past Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus
http://homepage.mac.com/davefox73/


Slutzk Research #belarus

rakap2@...
 

I am interested in genealogical research in the SLUTZK area.
I was informed that there are records that exist but they need to be put into a
different format in order to be usable.
If anyone knows the status of this project or any other research in SLUTZK
please get in touch with me ASAP.

Rich Kaplan
United States


Belarus SIG #Belarus Slutzk Research #belarus

rakap2@...
 

I am interested in genealogical research in the SLUTZK area.
I was informed that there are records that exist but they need to be put into a
different format in order to be usable.
If anyone knows the status of this project or any other research in SLUTZK
please get in touch with me ASAP.

Rich Kaplan
United States


Re: h-sig digest: December 19, 2005 #hungary

PHYLGIZ@...
 

Hi All

Some of the research questions here, concerning the LDS resources and other
indexes, might apply to many of us. Answers about researching to the list as
well as the questioner might help some of us new to the databases.

And as an aside, I love the conversation about the Hungarian recipes, brings
back great memories of my grandmother (>from Miskolc) and just confirms what
great cooks Hungarians are! Any good recipes for Chicken Paprikash (not sure
on the spelling).

Thank,
Phyllis Simon
New York

Researching: Kaiser/Grossman: Miskolc; Hartstein/: Nagykallo,
Hartstein/Schwartz: Nyiregyhaza and Budapest; Schwartz/Hershkovics(Hershkovits): Uhjely

Moderator: Questions about LDS and other resources related to researching Hungarian roots are always appropriate. General inquiries about resources such as the FHL records, Ellis Island manifests, US Census records, etc. should be directed to the JewishGen discussion list. The recent postings about latkes have been interesting because they show differences between family traditions in assimilated Hungarian households and those that continued traditions imported >from Galicia. I don't think that a discussion re. recipes for Paprikas csirke would be similarly relevant unless we can determine the genealogical sigificance of using sour cream as an ingredient.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: December 19, 2005 #hungary

PHYLGIZ@...
 

Hi All

Some of the research questions here, concerning the LDS resources and other
indexes, might apply to many of us. Answers about researching to the list as
well as the questioner might help some of us new to the databases.

And as an aside, I love the conversation about the Hungarian recipes, brings
back great memories of my grandmother (>from Miskolc) and just confirms what
great cooks Hungarians are! Any good recipes for Chicken Paprikash (not sure
on the spelling).

Thank,
Phyllis Simon
New York

Researching: Kaiser/Grossman: Miskolc; Hartstein/: Nagykallo,
Hartstein/Schwartz: Nyiregyhaza and Budapest; Schwartz/Hershkovics(Hershkovits): Uhjely

Moderator: Questions about LDS and other resources related to researching Hungarian roots are always appropriate. General inquiries about resources such as the FHL records, Ellis Island manifests, US Census records, etc. should be directed to the JewishGen discussion list. The recent postings about latkes have been interesting because they show differences between family traditions in assimilated Hungarian households and those that continued traditions imported >from Galicia. I don't think that a discussion re. recipes for Paprikas csirke would be similarly relevant unless we can determine the genealogical sigificance of using sour cream as an ingredient.


NATHAN and Laupheim #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hans-martinunger@...>
 

I found my ancestor Jacob NATHAN born 1812 and died 1909. He was a lawyer.
He has had 6 siblings.

I'm searching for siblings of father and mother.
Father has been: HIRSCH Heumann >from Wallerstein / Bavaria
born 10.November 1787 died 24.Dezember.1859

Mother has been : Lotte Chaile NATHAN born: 31.August.1798 died 3.May.1880

Parents of Lotte Chaile Nathan:
Alexander NATHAN born 13.November.1767 died 16.November.1835
married to Fanny Vögele Heumann born 23.February.1772 died 29.July 1854

Who knows anything about brothers or sisters of Hirsch HEUMANN ??

Who knows the German name for CHAILE ?

Laupheim: a little town of 19,000 inhabitants in the south-east of ULM/Danubia
A large Jewish comunity in the 18./19. century. The founder of modern Hollywood
Carl LAEMMLE came >from LAUPHEIM. Have a good holiday season. Kind regards,

Hansmartin Uuger <hans-martinunger@...>


German SIG #Germany NATHAN and Laupheim #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hans-martinunger@...>
 

I found my ancestor Jacob NATHAN born 1812 and died 1909. He was a lawyer.
He has had 6 siblings.

I'm searching for siblings of father and mother.
Father has been: HIRSCH Heumann >from Wallerstein / Bavaria
born 10.November 1787 died 24.Dezember.1859

Mother has been : Lotte Chaile NATHAN born: 31.August.1798 died 3.May.1880

Parents of Lotte Chaile Nathan:
Alexander NATHAN born 13.November.1767 died 16.November.1835
married to Fanny Vögele Heumann born 23.February.1772 died 29.July 1854

Who knows anything about brothers or sisters of Hirsch HEUMANN ??

Who knows the German name for CHAILE ?

Laupheim: a little town of 19,000 inhabitants in the south-east of ULM/Danubia
A large Jewish comunity in the 18./19. century. The founder of modern Hollywood
Carl LAEMMLE came >from LAUPHEIM. Have a good holiday season. Kind regards,

Hansmartin Uuger <hans-martinunger@...>


MARX Family from Zeltingen-Rachtig #germany

hlobbenberg <hlobbenberg@...>
 

Another Gersigger and I are seeking MARX family members >from Zeltingen-Rachtig.

I have been able to go back to approximately 1800 to the probable birth year
of Leopold MARX who married Karoline nee ALEXANDER who died and subsequently
married Fraide nee SIMON [second wife of Leopold MARX].

I would very much like to take this tree back further. Sincerely,

Henry Lobbenberg Toronto, Ontario Canada <hlobbenberg@...>


German SIG #Germany MARX Family from Zeltingen-Rachtig #germany

hlobbenberg <hlobbenberg@...>
 

Another Gersigger and I are seeking MARX family members >from Zeltingen-Rachtig.

I have been able to go back to approximately 1800 to the probable birth year
of Leopold MARX who married Karoline nee ALEXANDER who died and subsequently
married Fraide nee SIMON [second wife of Leopold MARX].

I would very much like to take this tree back further. Sincerely,

Henry Lobbenberg Toronto, Ontario Canada <hlobbenberg@...>