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FTJP and the future (was re: Mormons baptizing the dead, etc.) #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Putting names in FTJP, while entirely noble, is unlikely to prevent
Mormons or others writing history their way. A far more direct approach
would be to include a clause in one's will, requesting that all future
generations refrain >from baptizing one posthumously in the Mormon or any
other faith. I've heard tell that the Mormons actually respect such
provisions if they know about them.

FTJP contains the names of many people who are or were not Jewish!
Intermarriage may cause some people to consider a line ended, but others
feel differently and report on later generations. (I certainly do!)
Several especially enthusiastic contributors have included the British
royal family, one of them all the way back to the 9th century. (The
only connection I've found so far is via the Duchess of Windsor, whose
first husband--not Edward--had Jewish ancestry.)

Now, rewriting is not limited to religious affiliation either, and here
accurate published family-tree information might help. The LDS
genealogical web site indicates that a Franz TROPLOWITZ (1799-1884) of
Gleiwitz, Germany is among the baptized. Interesting if true--not least
because the person referred to can only be *Friederike* TROPLOWITZ, born
LANDSBERGER, definitely of Gleiwitz, with the same dates. In other
words, my g-g-g-grandmother! Baptism *and* sex change, presumably at no
extra charge.

Before we all upload our GEDCOMs as Sheree suggests, let me make a
suggestion to one and all:

=========>Have somebody proofread your tree.<===============

We all do our best to get accurate information and enter it correctly,
but even so, mistakes creep in. I've seen trees on FTJP and elsewhere
where one set of children is assigned to two different sets of
parents--and, yes, it's the same tree, submitted by the same
researcher. In other cases, names are impossibly misspelled; dates
contradict one another; geographic descriptions are confused or
inconsistent; various information is placed in name, date, and place
fields that doesn't belong there; and so on. Also, diacritical marks
often get messed up at some point in the uploading process.

This is not to take anything away >from the work that the creators of
these trees have done! Each one is valuable. But nobody is above
needing a little proofreading (least of all myself!!!), and having it
done makes it easier for others to make the genealogical breakthroughs
that we all hope for. For that matter, even trees and other items that
we *aren't* planning to upload can benefit >from that extra pair of eyes.

And yes, I'd be glad to do some proofing, especially for people who are
willing to check my own work in return. Prussia, especially Silesia, is
my specialty.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

Sheree Roth wrote:

I just read the excellent article by Gary Mokotoff in the latest edition of
Nu? What's New? about the practice of the Mormons baptizing their ancestors
and the possibility of them doing this to ancestors who happened to have
lived their lives as Jews. As a counter to this practice, I suggest that we
all now take the time to add our family trees - no matter how large, no
matter how small, to JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People. This
would help to increase the chances that someone 150 years >from now will
stumble upon the fact that great great grandmother was Jewish - not Mormon.
It also helps us genealogists of today find each other and connect our
families. Just go to http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/ and follow the
directions.


Le droit du Seigneur #general

Flashman Morochnick <bodiam@...>
 

There is a tale told in my family of the deflowerment of one of my direct
ancestors by the local noble at the turn of the 20th century. Would anyone
know if Le droit du Seigneur or priviliege of the first night was actually
practiced in the Russian Empire on Jewish brides during the late 19th, early
20th century?

S.Morochnick


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FTJP and the future (was re: Mormons baptizing the dead, etc.) #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Putting names in FTJP, while entirely noble, is unlikely to prevent
Mormons or others writing history their way. A far more direct approach
would be to include a clause in one's will, requesting that all future
generations refrain >from baptizing one posthumously in the Mormon or any
other faith. I've heard tell that the Mormons actually respect such
provisions if they know about them.

FTJP contains the names of many people who are or were not Jewish!
Intermarriage may cause some people to consider a line ended, but others
feel differently and report on later generations. (I certainly do!)
Several especially enthusiastic contributors have included the British
royal family, one of them all the way back to the 9th century. (The
only connection I've found so far is via the Duchess of Windsor, whose
first husband--not Edward--had Jewish ancestry.)

Now, rewriting is not limited to religious affiliation either, and here
accurate published family-tree information might help. The LDS
genealogical web site indicates that a Franz TROPLOWITZ (1799-1884) of
Gleiwitz, Germany is among the baptized. Interesting if true--not least
because the person referred to can only be *Friederike* TROPLOWITZ, born
LANDSBERGER, definitely of Gleiwitz, with the same dates. In other
words, my g-g-g-grandmother! Baptism *and* sex change, presumably at no
extra charge.

Before we all upload our GEDCOMs as Sheree suggests, let me make a
suggestion to one and all:

=========>Have somebody proofread your tree.<===============

We all do our best to get accurate information and enter it correctly,
but even so, mistakes creep in. I've seen trees on FTJP and elsewhere
where one set of children is assigned to two different sets of
parents--and, yes, it's the same tree, submitted by the same
researcher. In other cases, names are impossibly misspelled; dates
contradict one another; geographic descriptions are confused or
inconsistent; various information is placed in name, date, and place
fields that doesn't belong there; and so on. Also, diacritical marks
often get messed up at some point in the uploading process.

This is not to take anything away >from the work that the creators of
these trees have done! Each one is valuable. But nobody is above
needing a little proofreading (least of all myself!!!), and having it
done makes it easier for others to make the genealogical breakthroughs
that we all hope for. For that matter, even trees and other items that
we *aren't* planning to upload can benefit >from that extra pair of eyes.

And yes, I'd be glad to do some proofing, especially for people who are
willing to check my own work in return. Prussia, especially Silesia, is
my specialty.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

Sheree Roth wrote:

I just read the excellent article by Gary Mokotoff in the latest edition of
Nu? What's New? about the practice of the Mormons baptizing their ancestors
and the possibility of them doing this to ancestors who happened to have
lived their lives as Jews. As a counter to this practice, I suggest that we
all now take the time to add our family trees - no matter how large, no
matter how small, to JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People. This
would help to increase the chances that someone 150 years >from now will
stumble upon the fact that great great grandmother was Jewish - not Mormon.
It also helps us genealogists of today find each other and connect our
families. Just go to http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/ and follow the
directions.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Le droit du Seigneur #general

Flashman Morochnick <bodiam@...>
 

There is a tale told in my family of the deflowerment of one of my direct
ancestors by the local noble at the turn of the 20th century. Would anyone
know if Le droit du Seigneur or priviliege of the first night was actually
practiced in the Russian Empire on Jewish brides during the late 19th, early
20th century?

S.Morochnick


Re: Mormons Baptize Their Relatives As Well As Their Ancestors #general

joshualevy <joshualevy@...>
 

Sheree Roth:
As a counter to this practice [LDS baptism of the dead], I suggest that we
all now take the time to add our family trees - no matter how large, no
matter how small, to JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People.
While I'm all in favor of using the Family Tree of the Jewish People, I
don't see how it solves the problem. Just because someone is on a family tree
that has been added to this list, does not mean they are Jewish. Many of us
have non-Jewish relatives in our family trees. I also don't understand the
problem.
I mean, if you see a "baptism" date years (or decades or centuries)
after the person is dead, it is pretty clear what happened! And if you
don't see a date (or source) then you'd be rightfully suspecious.

Part of my problem in understanding this issue, is that I've never seen
a genealogical record where a Jew was "baptized" after death. What data
is included in the "baptism" record? Could someone post a GEDCOM
or HTML output that shows one, so people could see it? Then it would
be obvious how confusing it is.

Joshua Levy
Looking for LEVY in San Jose, CA, USA pre 1855 and
SZLACHTER in Golub-Dobyzn, Poland pre 1920

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mormons Baptize Their Relatives As Well As Their Ancestors #general

joshualevy <joshualevy@...>
 

Sheree Roth:
As a counter to this practice [LDS baptism of the dead], I suggest that we
all now take the time to add our family trees - no matter how large, no
matter how small, to JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People.
While I'm all in favor of using the Family Tree of the Jewish People, I
don't see how it solves the problem. Just because someone is on a family tree
that has been added to this list, does not mean they are Jewish. Many of us
have non-Jewish relatives in our family trees. I also don't understand the
problem.
I mean, if you see a "baptism" date years (or decades or centuries)
after the person is dead, it is pretty clear what happened! And if you
don't see a date (or source) then you'd be rightfully suspecious.

Part of my problem in understanding this issue, is that I've never seen
a genealogical record where a Jew was "baptized" after death. What data
is included in the "baptism" record? Could someone post a GEDCOM
or HTML output that shows one, so people could see it? Then it would
be obvious how confusing it is.

Joshua Levy
Looking for LEVY in San Jose, CA, USA pre 1855 and
SZLACHTER in Golub-Dobyzn, Poland pre 1920

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Ester BEILIN #belarus

Christina Lock <christina@...>
 

I am looking for relatives of Ester Beilin who arrived in New York on July
20th 1910 at the age of 22. I would like to establish whether she is
possibly related to my grandmother (Maria Cecilia Beilin) who left Russia
(now Belarus) in 1907 for Sweden. My grandmother was born in 1885 in
Drissa. We know nothing of what happened to her brothers and sisters, apart
from the fact that one of her sisters married a RUBIN in USA. My
grandmother went on to marry a man also >from Drissa (David Girsch MAJECH)
and they spent the rest of their lives in Sweden.

Any information is greatly appreciated.
[MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder (www.jewishgen.org/jgff)has several
people researching BEILIN. Don't forget to enter your own family names/towns and
search for others who are searching the same.]
Kind regards

CHRISTINA LOCK
Petersfield, England
e-mail: christina@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Ester BEILIN #belarus

Christina Lock <christina@...>
 

I am looking for relatives of Ester Beilin who arrived in New York on July
20th 1910 at the age of 22. I would like to establish whether she is
possibly related to my grandmother (Maria Cecilia Beilin) who left Russia
(now Belarus) in 1907 for Sweden. My grandmother was born in 1885 in
Drissa. We know nothing of what happened to her brothers and sisters, apart
from the fact that one of her sisters married a RUBIN in USA. My
grandmother went on to marry a man also >from Drissa (David Girsch MAJECH)
and they spent the rest of their lives in Sweden.

Any information is greatly appreciated.
[MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder (www.jewishgen.org/jgff)has several
people researching BEILIN. Don't forget to enter your own family names/towns and
search for others who are searching the same.]
Kind regards

CHRISTINA LOCK
Petersfield, England
e-mail: christina@...


Hilel EPSTEIN married Annie KAUFMAN in New York March 22, 1931 #belarus

Marsha Epstein <mepstein@...>
 

I requested a marriage certificate hoping it was my grandfather's brother,
but it's not. If this is your family, I can send it to you. Hilel was 63
and Annie was 57, both widowed. He was >from Minsk, she was >from Grodna. His
parents were Jacob EPSTEIN and Bella LEVIN. Hers were Bernard KULKIN and
Shayna SAPERSTEIN. Also present were Louis WEISS, Meyer OLSHEN, and Rabbi
Aaron BOCKSTERN or BOCKSTEIN.

--- Marsha Epstein
--- mepstein@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Hilel EPSTEIN married Annie KAUFMAN in New York March 22, 1931 #belarus

Marsha Epstein <mepstein@...>
 

I requested a marriage certificate hoping it was my grandfather's brother,
but it's not. If this is your family, I can send it to you. Hilel was 63
and Annie was 57, both widowed. He was >from Minsk, she was >from Grodna. His
parents were Jacob EPSTEIN and Bella LEVIN. Hers were Bernard KULKIN and
Shayna SAPERSTEIN. Also present were Louis WEISS, Meyer OLSHEN, and Rabbi
Aaron BOCKSTERN or BOCKSTEIN.

--- Marsha Epstein
--- mepstein@...


Mormons Baptize Their Relatives As Well As Their Ancestors #ukraine

ssroth@...
 

I just read the excellent article by Gary Mokotoff in the latest edition of
Nu? What's New? about the practice of the Mormons baptizing their ancestors
and the possibility of them doing this to ancestors who happened to have
lived their lives as Jews. As a counter to this practice, I suggest that we
all now take the time to add our family trees - no matter how large, no
matter how small, to JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People. This
would help to increase the chances that someone 150 years >from now will
stumble upon the fact that great great grandmother was Jewish - not Mormon.
It also helps us genealogists of today find each other and connect our
families. Just go to http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/ and follow the
directions.
Wishing everyone a Happy Chanukah,
Sheree Roth
Palo Alto, CA

Searching: MOSCOVICS-Zavadka. FRIED-Ketergeny. ROTH-Mogyoros.
JAKUBOVICS-Velke Kapusany. SMULOVICS-Porubka. SCHONBERGER-Benetina.
SILVERMAN, LEHRER, SHITER, HASSER-Vladimir Volynskiy, Kovel, Ustilug. SEGAL,
KELNER-Kremenets, Szumsk, Katerinovka. SHUSTERMAN, WACHNOVETSKY-Dzyunkov.
ROSENSTOCK, EINHORN, KRIEGSFELD-Oleyevo Korolevka.

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Mormons Baptize Their Relatives As Well As Their Ancestors #ukraine

ssroth@...
 

I just read the excellent article by Gary Mokotoff in the latest edition of
Nu? What's New? about the practice of the Mormons baptizing their ancestors
and the possibility of them doing this to ancestors who happened to have
lived their lives as Jews. As a counter to this practice, I suggest that we
all now take the time to add our family trees - no matter how large, no
matter how small, to JewishGen's Family Tree of the Jewish People. This
would help to increase the chances that someone 150 years >from now will
stumble upon the fact that great great grandmother was Jewish - not Mormon.
It also helps us genealogists of today find each other and connect our
families. Just go to http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/ and follow the
directions.
Wishing everyone a Happy Chanukah,
Sheree Roth
Palo Alto, CA

Searching: MOSCOVICS-Zavadka. FRIED-Ketergeny. ROTH-Mogyoros.
JAKUBOVICS-Velke Kapusany. SMULOVICS-Porubka. SCHONBERGER-Benetina.
SILVERMAN, LEHRER, SHITER, HASSER-Vladimir Volynskiy, Kovel, Ustilug. SEGAL,
KELNER-Kremenets, Szumsk, Katerinovka. SHUSTERMAN, WACHNOVETSKY-Dzyunkov.
ROSENSTOCK, EINHORN, KRIEGSFELD-Oleyevo Korolevka.

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of the pros and cons of Mormon activities is not
appropriate for this list. We anticipate your cooperation in this matter.


Seeking SS St. Louis (1939) passengers in UK #germany

Sarah hyams <shyamsdc@...>
 

Dear GerSIG members,
For a forthcomming book about the SS St. Louis (1939), we are seeking
any information about the passengers listed below.

Of primary importance is to know 1) if they survived the war, 2) where they
lived, 3) where and when they died.

The people whose names are given below are believed (if not actually
confirmed) to have remained in the United Kingdom, which is where they disembarked
from the St. Louis.
In a number of cases we seem to have found relevant information but without dates
of birth cannot be sure. If you can help complete the information, or can
connect me with others who might be able to do that, I would be very grateful.

Nathan HABER, dob (born) Jan 26 1890, Dora; may have gone later to
US, but unable to confirm as of yet. A Nathan HABER, stallkeeper, living at
13 Cleve Road, London NW6 in January 1950 could be the same person.

Emma HOFFMANN, dob Dec 14, 1897, in Priesen; found possible match in Australia
records for someone with this name entering Melbourne in Aug 1941, but no
confirmation.. Another possible match is an Emma HOFFMAN LANGLEY living at
53 Seymour Street, London W1 in 1948.

Cilly (or Zilly) HOFMANN, dob Sep 10, 1874 in Wiihermsdorf. Nothing further
known.

Friedrich MARCUS, born Apr 4, 1889, in Altona; a Friedrich aka Fred MARCUS
naturalised January 1952, living at 5 Abbey Road, London NW8. Do not know
if this is the same person.

Else SCHOTT, born Apr 5, 1903 in Krefeld; her husband became naturalised in
UK 9-1-48, and they had relatives in Birmingham named Walter SCHOTT and
Gerald BLUMENTHAL. Nothing further known about Else SCHOTT.

Joel TURKOWICZ, born Oct 4, 1889 in Lipno, and wife Helene, born Apr 17,
1891, in Rozwadow, daughter Edith SKLAR. This family owned the Shaftesbury Shoe
Salon in London, Rupert Street. We have documentation for Joel and for
Edith SKLAR, but nothing further about his wife Helene.

Chawa WEISER, dob Jul 12 1883, in Nowosielitza (Poland/Ukraine); husband Ignatz
died in UK 1958. A Chave aka Chava WEISER of Netherall Gardens Hampstead,
formerly of Lancaster Close, St. Peterburgh Place, London W2, died in March
1972. Probably same person, but not certain.
And
one last query: : Fritz ZWIEGENTHAL born June 8, 1909 in Vienna. Last known
to be alive in August 1942 in France. Not found on any deportation or victim
lists, or survivor lists. Many thanks for any and all assistance.

Sarah Hyams Washington, DC shyamsdc@... shyams@ushmm


German SIG #Germany Seeking SS St. Louis (1939) passengers in UK #germany

Sarah hyams <shyamsdc@...>
 

Dear GerSIG members,
For a forthcomming book about the SS St. Louis (1939), we are seeking
any information about the passengers listed below.

Of primary importance is to know 1) if they survived the war, 2) where they
lived, 3) where and when they died.

The people whose names are given below are believed (if not actually
confirmed) to have remained in the United Kingdom, which is where they disembarked
from the St. Louis.
In a number of cases we seem to have found relevant information but without dates
of birth cannot be sure. If you can help complete the information, or can
connect me with others who might be able to do that, I would be very grateful.

Nathan HABER, dob (born) Jan 26 1890, Dora; may have gone later to
US, but unable to confirm as of yet. A Nathan HABER, stallkeeper, living at
13 Cleve Road, London NW6 in January 1950 could be the same person.

Emma HOFFMANN, dob Dec 14, 1897, in Priesen; found possible match in Australia
records for someone with this name entering Melbourne in Aug 1941, but no
confirmation.. Another possible match is an Emma HOFFMAN LANGLEY living at
53 Seymour Street, London W1 in 1948.

Cilly (or Zilly) HOFMANN, dob Sep 10, 1874 in Wiihermsdorf. Nothing further
known.

Friedrich MARCUS, born Apr 4, 1889, in Altona; a Friedrich aka Fred MARCUS
naturalised January 1952, living at 5 Abbey Road, London NW8. Do not know
if this is the same person.

Else SCHOTT, born Apr 5, 1903 in Krefeld; her husband became naturalised in
UK 9-1-48, and they had relatives in Birmingham named Walter SCHOTT and
Gerald BLUMENTHAL. Nothing further known about Else SCHOTT.

Joel TURKOWICZ, born Oct 4, 1889 in Lipno, and wife Helene, born Apr 17,
1891, in Rozwadow, daughter Edith SKLAR. This family owned the Shaftesbury Shoe
Salon in London, Rupert Street. We have documentation for Joel and for
Edith SKLAR, but nothing further about his wife Helene.

Chawa WEISER, dob Jul 12 1883, in Nowosielitza (Poland/Ukraine); husband Ignatz
died in UK 1958. A Chave aka Chava WEISER of Netherall Gardens Hampstead,
formerly of Lancaster Close, St. Peterburgh Place, London W2, died in March
1972. Probably same person, but not certain.
And
one last query: : Fritz ZWIEGENTHAL born June 8, 1909 in Vienna. Last known
to be alive in August 1942 in France. Not found on any deportation or victim
lists, or survivor lists. Many thanks for any and all assistance.

Sarah Hyams Washington, DC shyamsdc@... shyams@ushmm


Rozhnyatov YB (Perehinsko, Stryj, Dolina, Bolkhov, Kalush, Stanislawow) #galicia

Thomas F. Weiss
 

Dear JGenners,

WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!! We are in the home stretch in the
translation of the YIzkor Book (YB) for Rozhnyatov. Most of the YB
is now translated and available at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Rozniatow/Rozhnyatov.html. But, we
have exhausted our funds for translation and will not be able to
finish without your help. If you wish to contribute to the book's
translation over the web, please click on JewishGen's secure fund
raiser page and be sure to select Rozhnyatov

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/YizkorTrans.html

I urge you to also contribute an additional amount to JewishGen,
which provides, at no charge, all of the expensive infrastructure for
this project and all the many others that we all enjoy.

For those who feel uncomfortable using credit cards on the web, you
can always simply mail a check (or send a fax with credit card info)
payable to JewishGen, Inc. (with a note earmarking the funds for the
Rozhnyatov Yizkor Book Project) to:

JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr,, Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
U.S./Canada Fax # (toll free): 888-539-4362
International Fax #: 1-281-535-2204

Please note that JewishGen, Inc. is a non-profit 501(c) 3
organization; therefore, you may be able to claim an income tax
deduction for any donations, depending on your personal tax situation.

Many thanks for you indulgence and I apologize if you receive
multiple copies of this fund raising email.
--
Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@...

Researching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER (Skalat); ENGEL (Vienna);
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague); FRAENKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov,
Vienna); KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice); MEISELS (Nadworna,
Vienna); OLLOP (Vienna); ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor);
QUADRATSTEIN (Vienna, Saarbrucken); VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice,
Benesov, Tabor)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Rozhnyatov YB (Perehinsko, Stryj, Dolina, Bolkhov, Kalush, Stanislawow) #galicia

Thomas F. Weiss
 

Dear JGenners,

WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!! We are in the home stretch in the
translation of the YIzkor Book (YB) for Rozhnyatov. Most of the YB
is now translated and available at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Rozniatow/Rozhnyatov.html. But, we
have exhausted our funds for translation and will not be able to
finish without your help. If you wish to contribute to the book's
translation over the web, please click on JewishGen's secure fund
raiser page and be sure to select Rozhnyatov

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/YizkorTrans.html

I urge you to also contribute an additional amount to JewishGen,
which provides, at no charge, all of the expensive infrastructure for
this project and all the many others that we all enjoy.

For those who feel uncomfortable using credit cards on the web, you
can always simply mail a check (or send a fax with credit card info)
payable to JewishGen, Inc. (with a note earmarking the funds for the
Rozhnyatov Yizkor Book Project) to:

JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr,, Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
U.S./Canada Fax # (toll free): 888-539-4362
International Fax #: 1-281-535-2204

Please note that JewishGen, Inc. is a non-profit 501(c) 3
organization; therefore, you may be able to claim an income tax
deduction for any donations, depending on your personal tax situation.

Many thanks for you indulgence and I apologize if you receive
multiple copies of this fund raising email.
--
Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@...

Researching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER (Skalat); ENGEL (Vienna);
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague); FRAENKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov,
Vienna); KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice); MEISELS (Nadworna,
Vienna); OLLOP (Vienna); ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor);
QUADRATSTEIN (Vienna, Saarbrucken); VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice,
Benesov, Tabor)


Cecilia Varacha, Auschwitz #galicia

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you

My aunt Cecilia Varacha was >from Vienna. She was born on the 21st of April
1899.

On the 12th of January 1943 she deported >from Vienna to ghetto Terezin on
transport iv/14/c.

On the 9th of October 1944 she was sent >from ghetto Terezin to Auschwitz on
transport Ep. Her number on this transport was 721.

I Would be very grateful if any one you know and can tell me what happened to
her in Auschwitz, or on the way to Auschwitz because she never returned home

Thanks for your help

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Cecilia Varacha, Auschwitz #galicia

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you

My aunt Cecilia Varacha was >from Vienna. She was born on the 21st of April
1899.

On the 12th of January 1943 she deported >from Vienna to ghetto Terezin on
transport iv/14/c.

On the 9th of October 1944 she was sent >from ghetto Terezin to Auschwitz on
transport Ep. Her number on this transport was 721.

I Would be very grateful if any one you know and can tell me what happened to
her in Auschwitz, or on the way to Auschwitz because she never returned home

Thanks for your help

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel

Moderator Note: Please respond privately.


Seeking Information about these SS St. Louis Passengers (1939) #germany

Sarah hyams <shyamsdc@...>
 

Dear GerSIG members:

As I mentioned in a message posted several days ago, I am working on an
appendix for a book by Scott Miller and Sarah Ogilvie at the US Holocaust
Memorial Museum, about the May 1939 voyage of the SS St. Louis and the
aftermath for the passengers on that voyage.

While research has been underway for years and much has been accomplished,
there remains a list of people about whom we would like to know more before the
book goes to print.

Of primary importance is to know:
1) if they survivied the war, 2) where they lived, 3) where and when they died.

All of the people below are believed (if not actually confirmed) to have
come to the United States.

If you can help complete the information, or can connect me with others
who might be able to do that, I would be very grateful.

I apologize for the length of this message. Thank you for your patience & help.

Sarah Hyams Washington, DC shyams@...

BRENNER, Blanka/Ilanka nee ALBIN born Feb 8, 1888 in Jaslowiec; may have
gone to live with relatives in New York named Albert STEINBERG, or Albert ALBIN.

BOHM, Heinz born Jan 4, 1917 in Rosengarten; may have gone >from England to
the Bahamas, and >from there to the U.S. Nothing further known of him.

HAUSER, Hermann born Mar 20,1888 Lahr; came to the US with his wife Cecilie;
had daughter and son-in-law Gertrude and Alfred JOSEPH living in New York
City at 517 W. 184th St. and another relative, Eugen LEVY in Worcester,
Mass. Cecilie became a US citizen and died in New York. Nothing further is
known about Hermann HAUSER.

HUBER, Lilli nee BLOCH born Sep 20,1891 in Nuremberg; said to have come to
the US; had daughter Trude OPPENHEIMER, brother Robert BLOCK and another
relative, Trude LOWENTRITT in New York City. Nothing further known of her.

ISRAEL, Hugo born Jan 15, 1908 in Dillich; had brother in law Gilbert (or
possibly Sigbert) APPEL in New York City

KAHN Gustav born Jan 22,1887 in Burgpreppach; with his wife Else, born Mar
2, 1892 in Reckendorf; came to US in 1940; had daughter Annelise KAHN living
in New York City at 1230 Park Avenue. Nothing further known of them.

KAUFMANN, Nathan born Dec 27, 1881 in Frankfurt am Main; wife Adelheid nee
LOWENTHAL, born Apr 24, 1875 in Aschaffenburg. Arrived New York 1940. Had
brother and sister in law Edi and Sara LOWENTHAL in New York. Nothing
further known of them.

LOWENSTEIN, Kurt born Aug 29,1897 in Hagen; wife Ida, born Oct 3, 1894 in
Altenbochum; may have left England for the US in Aug 1940; had brother
Walter LOWENSTEIN living in New York City at 250 W. 75th St. Nothing
further known of them.

MULLER, Ernst born Apr 24, 1891 in Kustrin; wife Margot nee GRUNTHAL born
Jul 13, 1902 in Berlin; came to US in 1941; had wife's brother Dr. Emanuel
GRUENTHAL in New York at 1185 Jerome Avenue. Nothing further known of them.

ROSENTHAL, Margrit born Jun 30, 1935 in Landsberg; came to US with her
parents Kurt and Johanna ROSENTHAL who died in US in 1976 and 1983
respectively, and with her grandmother Sara COHN; relatives Hans CORTNER,
H.J. CORTNER, Hugo COHN living in New York. Margrit ROSENTHAL may still be
alive, may have a married name; nothing further known of her.

SALM, Leopold born Nov 19,1881 in Neuss; with wife Ida, born Mar 21, 1881 in
Westerkappeln; had relatives Dr. H. SALM in Hudson, New York and Kurt SALM
in New York City. Nothing further known of them.

SCHONEMANN, Siegfried born Jan 14, 1893 in Padberg. He came to New York in
Sep 1940, and had a brother-in-law F. COPPEL at 36 Clark Street, Brooklyn
and another relative Hermann GREENBAUM at 35 Clark Street. His wife
Gertrud, born Aug 31, 1903 in Moers, and their son Wolfgang, born Jan 26,
1933 in Dortmund, may have been with him (but their names are not with his
on the passenger manifest). Nothing further known of them.

SIMON, Rolf born Jul 13, 1921 in Mannheim; came to the US, had brother in
law Walter Gerstel in New York City at 35 Fort Washington Avenue

WEIL, Eduard born Aug 11, 1889 in Offenburg; wife Emma, born Nov 19, 1876 in
Gengenbach. Came to US in 1940, stated they were going to relatives in New
Orleans. Nothing further known of them.


German SIG #Germany Seeking Information about these SS St. Louis Passengers (1939) #germany

Sarah hyams <shyamsdc@...>
 

Dear GerSIG members:

As I mentioned in a message posted several days ago, I am working on an
appendix for a book by Scott Miller and Sarah Ogilvie at the US Holocaust
Memorial Museum, about the May 1939 voyage of the SS St. Louis and the
aftermath for the passengers on that voyage.

While research has been underway for years and much has been accomplished,
there remains a list of people about whom we would like to know more before the
book goes to print.

Of primary importance is to know:
1) if they survivied the war, 2) where they lived, 3) where and when they died.

All of the people below are believed (if not actually confirmed) to have
come to the United States.

If you can help complete the information, or can connect me with others
who might be able to do that, I would be very grateful.

I apologize for the length of this message. Thank you for your patience & help.

Sarah Hyams Washington, DC shyams@...

BRENNER, Blanka/Ilanka nee ALBIN born Feb 8, 1888 in Jaslowiec; may have
gone to live with relatives in New York named Albert STEINBERG, or Albert ALBIN.

BOHM, Heinz born Jan 4, 1917 in Rosengarten; may have gone >from England to
the Bahamas, and >from there to the U.S. Nothing further known of him.

HAUSER, Hermann born Mar 20,1888 Lahr; came to the US with his wife Cecilie;
had daughter and son-in-law Gertrude and Alfred JOSEPH living in New York
City at 517 W. 184th St. and another relative, Eugen LEVY in Worcester,
Mass. Cecilie became a US citizen and died in New York. Nothing further is
known about Hermann HAUSER.

HUBER, Lilli nee BLOCH born Sep 20,1891 in Nuremberg; said to have come to
the US; had daughter Trude OPPENHEIMER, brother Robert BLOCK and another
relative, Trude LOWENTRITT in New York City. Nothing further known of her.

ISRAEL, Hugo born Jan 15, 1908 in Dillich; had brother in law Gilbert (or
possibly Sigbert) APPEL in New York City

KAHN Gustav born Jan 22,1887 in Burgpreppach; with his wife Else, born Mar
2, 1892 in Reckendorf; came to US in 1940; had daughter Annelise KAHN living
in New York City at 1230 Park Avenue. Nothing further known of them.

KAUFMANN, Nathan born Dec 27, 1881 in Frankfurt am Main; wife Adelheid nee
LOWENTHAL, born Apr 24, 1875 in Aschaffenburg. Arrived New York 1940. Had
brother and sister in law Edi and Sara LOWENTHAL in New York. Nothing
further known of them.

LOWENSTEIN, Kurt born Aug 29,1897 in Hagen; wife Ida, born Oct 3, 1894 in
Altenbochum; may have left England for the US in Aug 1940; had brother
Walter LOWENSTEIN living in New York City at 250 W. 75th St. Nothing
further known of them.

MULLER, Ernst born Apr 24, 1891 in Kustrin; wife Margot nee GRUNTHAL born
Jul 13, 1902 in Berlin; came to US in 1941; had wife's brother Dr. Emanuel
GRUENTHAL in New York at 1185 Jerome Avenue. Nothing further known of them.

ROSENTHAL, Margrit born Jun 30, 1935 in Landsberg; came to US with her
parents Kurt and Johanna ROSENTHAL who died in US in 1976 and 1983
respectively, and with her grandmother Sara COHN; relatives Hans CORTNER,
H.J. CORTNER, Hugo COHN living in New York. Margrit ROSENTHAL may still be
alive, may have a married name; nothing further known of her.

SALM, Leopold born Nov 19,1881 in Neuss; with wife Ida, born Mar 21, 1881 in
Westerkappeln; had relatives Dr. H. SALM in Hudson, New York and Kurt SALM
in New York City. Nothing further known of them.

SCHONEMANN, Siegfried born Jan 14, 1893 in Padberg. He came to New York in
Sep 1940, and had a brother-in-law F. COPPEL at 36 Clark Street, Brooklyn
and another relative Hermann GREENBAUM at 35 Clark Street. His wife
Gertrud, born Aug 31, 1903 in Moers, and their son Wolfgang, born Jan 26,
1933 in Dortmund, may have been with him (but their names are not with his
on the passenger manifest). Nothing further known of them.

SIMON, Rolf born Jul 13, 1921 in Mannheim; came to the US, had brother in
law Walter Gerstel in New York City at 35 Fort Washington Avenue

WEIL, Eduard born Aug 11, 1889 in Offenburg; wife Emma, born Nov 19, 1876 in
Gengenbach. Came to US in 1940, stated they were going to relatives in New
Orleans. Nothing further known of them.