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Bohumil, Bohumir and other "Christian" first names in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Welcome back Michael; you commented that Bohumil as a first name:
- might reflect a geographical family origin in Bohemia
- might be a variant on a popular Jewish name Bunim (Heb. Benyamin or
Simcha)
- might, like the German Gottlieb, be a vernacular for the Hebrew name
Yedidyah (friend of God).

Robert Hanscom originally asked for information about the Czech given
name of Bohumir and some equivalents of this name. Hanus Grab and Jan
Hellman both answered in the same vein: Bohumir is the Czech equivalent
of German, Gottfried (literal: Godspeace). This name was not often used.
More frequent was Bohumil, the Czech equivalent of German Gottlieb
(literal: Godslove).

I do not wish to become embroiled in "first name" discussions but I
have gone back to first principles and here are my research findings,
based on *no previous knowledge* at all on this subject:

1. I have checked the whole census of Bohemia in 1793 [except Prague -
which is not yet published] and have found *not a single* Bohumil or Bohumir.

2. The name Gottlieb however does appear in 1793 but is not that common
either ie 3 Gottlieb only as a first name in the Bidschover Kreis in
1793 out of approx. 1,100 registered male names. I have not yet found
a Gottfried. There are the occasional Seelig and Selig which may be related.
And Benjamin is relatively common.

There are family names: GOTTLIEB and GOTTFRIED, but they are few and far
between too in 1793 Bohemia.

3. There are three Christian first names which begin to appear very, very
rarely in the census of 1793: Anselmus [1], Angelus [ca 4], Tadeus [1]. I
also found Urban [1].

The name Benedict/Benedikt is more common, with 7 in the Bidschover Kreis
in 1793. Uri Meretz tells me that this is the equivalent of Baruch. In the
Bidschover Kreis, this name conversion appears to have been taken to heart
as there are only 2 Baruch. I have to cross-check the other Kreis, but that
is a lengthy procedure.

German names such as Friedrich, Karl/Carl, Wolfgang, Ludwig and Wilhelm
make the rarest of appearances in the 1793 census of Bohemia. There is
also a Wenedig!

For rare Jewish first names I have found in the 1793 census, see footnote 1.

4. The name Bohumil starts to make an appearance in the mid 1800s. If you
look at our own website you will find the name, starting in ca 1835 [approx.
birth of Bohumil LOFFLER]:

http://www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech/towns/vseruby_families.html

Jewish families living in Trhanov: Bohumil LOFFLER and Vilemina, nee
REACHOVA* [see footnote 2], lived in number 56. Children Vilim b. 1858,
Rudolf b. 1861 and Marek, b. 1863.

also here: in the mid 1800s in Strazov
http://www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Koestler/Strazov.htm

also in Tabor - late 1800s, read this interesting article where you will
find the liquor retailer and distiller Bohumil STEIN and the synagogue
organist, Bohumil HALOUZKA in the 1930s:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~lkennen/People/TaborPage8.htm

5. There is not a single reference to Bohumil or Bohumir in the Jewish
Encyclopedia.

6. Yad vashem, lists 137 Bohumil, 16 Bohumir, 23 Gottlieb and a single
Gotfried {RIESENFELD} holocaust death >from Bohemia and Moravia. Considering
the tragic number of victims >from that area, this is a very low number.

One victim is named Bohumil MARGOLIUS >from Prague and has the name
Got{t}lieb inscribed after it, by his granddaughter in the testimony.

I have been discussing the name *Angelus* with Peter Barber recently
and I have his permission to quote: 'Angelus' was the official form
stipulated for Amschel by the Habsburg authorities (see *Judentum in Wien:
Sammlung Max Berger* (Wien, 1987), p.110) and my Angelus's grandfather
was an Amschel), confirming that association.

I have not checked this book and it may have other acceptable equivalents
in it, including Bohumil and Bohumir.

Conclusion: These two names appear to have been adopted well after 1793
by Jews in Bohemia [and Moravia], in a wave of pro-Czech sentiment, but
not very enthusiastically. There is no evidence that they are associated
with baptism, but perhaps because the names are so rare with Czech holocaust
victims [see footnote 3], we might logically come to an alternative
conclusion, namely that that there were very early conversions in the 1800s
with name changes to Bohumil and Bohumir and that these families were now
totally assimilated and were not holocaust victims. I somehow doubt this
latter reasoning.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

1. In my scan I also found these male Hebrew names in the 1793 census
appearing very, very rarely: Elkan, Habakkuk, Hebron and also a mysterious
Araper [a transcription error perhaps?].

2. *REACHOVA [REACH] >from Trhanov; this name might be of interest to at
least three SIG members I know.

3 Search for a Bohumir survivor: Dr. Bohumir (Gottfried) BLOCH, born
15. 10. 1914 in Teplitz, deported 6.3.1943 >from Prague to Theresienstadt
and then on 6. 9. 1943 to Auschwitz. Last heard of in 1966 in Los Angeles,
USA, see: http://www.cet.ac.il/terezin/julyg.htm


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Bohumil, Bohumir and other "Christian" first names in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Welcome back Michael; you commented that Bohumil as a first name:
- might reflect a geographical family origin in Bohemia
- might be a variant on a popular Jewish name Bunim (Heb. Benyamin or
Simcha)
- might, like the German Gottlieb, be a vernacular for the Hebrew name
Yedidyah (friend of God).

Robert Hanscom originally asked for information about the Czech given
name of Bohumir and some equivalents of this name. Hanus Grab and Jan
Hellman both answered in the same vein: Bohumir is the Czech equivalent
of German, Gottfried (literal: Godspeace). This name was not often used.
More frequent was Bohumil, the Czech equivalent of German Gottlieb
(literal: Godslove).

I do not wish to become embroiled in "first name" discussions but I
have gone back to first principles and here are my research findings,
based on *no previous knowledge* at all on this subject:

1. I have checked the whole census of Bohemia in 1793 [except Prague -
which is not yet published] and have found *not a single* Bohumil or Bohumir.

2. The name Gottlieb however does appear in 1793 but is not that common
either ie 3 Gottlieb only as a first name in the Bidschover Kreis in
1793 out of approx. 1,100 registered male names. I have not yet found
a Gottfried. There are the occasional Seelig and Selig which may be related.
And Benjamin is relatively common.

There are family names: GOTTLIEB and GOTTFRIED, but they are few and far
between too in 1793 Bohemia.

3. There are three Christian first names which begin to appear very, very
rarely in the census of 1793: Anselmus [1], Angelus [ca 4], Tadeus [1]. I
also found Urban [1].

The name Benedict/Benedikt is more common, with 7 in the Bidschover Kreis
in 1793. Uri Meretz tells me that this is the equivalent of Baruch. In the
Bidschover Kreis, this name conversion appears to have been taken to heart
as there are only 2 Baruch. I have to cross-check the other Kreis, but that
is a lengthy procedure.

German names such as Friedrich, Karl/Carl, Wolfgang, Ludwig and Wilhelm
make the rarest of appearances in the 1793 census of Bohemia. There is
also a Wenedig!

For rare Jewish first names I have found in the 1793 census, see footnote 1.

4. The name Bohumil starts to make an appearance in the mid 1800s. If you
look at our own website you will find the name, starting in ca 1835 [approx.
birth of Bohumil LOFFLER]:

http://www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech/towns/vseruby_families.html

Jewish families living in Trhanov: Bohumil LOFFLER and Vilemina, nee
REACHOVA* [see footnote 2], lived in number 56. Children Vilim b. 1858,
Rudolf b. 1861 and Marek, b. 1863.

also here: in the mid 1800s in Strazov
http://www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Koestler/Strazov.htm

also in Tabor - late 1800s, read this interesting article where you will
find the liquor retailer and distiller Bohumil STEIN and the synagogue
organist, Bohumil HALOUZKA in the 1930s:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~lkennen/People/TaborPage8.htm

5. There is not a single reference to Bohumil or Bohumir in the Jewish
Encyclopedia.

6. Yad vashem, lists 137 Bohumil, 16 Bohumir, 23 Gottlieb and a single
Gotfried {RIESENFELD} holocaust death >from Bohemia and Moravia. Considering
the tragic number of victims >from that area, this is a very low number.

One victim is named Bohumil MARGOLIUS >from Prague and has the name
Got{t}lieb inscribed after it, by his granddaughter in the testimony.

I have been discussing the name *Angelus* with Peter Barber recently
and I have his permission to quote: 'Angelus' was the official form
stipulated for Amschel by the Habsburg authorities (see *Judentum in Wien:
Sammlung Max Berger* (Wien, 1987), p.110) and my Angelus's grandfather
was an Amschel), confirming that association.

I have not checked this book and it may have other acceptable equivalents
in it, including Bohumil and Bohumir.

Conclusion: These two names appear to have been adopted well after 1793
by Jews in Bohemia [and Moravia], in a wave of pro-Czech sentiment, but
not very enthusiastically. There is no evidence that they are associated
with baptism, but perhaps because the names are so rare with Czech holocaust
victims [see footnote 3], we might logically come to an alternative
conclusion, namely that that there were very early conversions in the 1800s
with name changes to Bohumil and Bohumir and that these families were now
totally assimilated and were not holocaust victims. I somehow doubt this
latter reasoning.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

1. In my scan I also found these male Hebrew names in the 1793 census
appearing very, very rarely: Elkan, Habakkuk, Hebron and also a mysterious
Araper [a transcription error perhaps?].

2. *REACHOVA [REACH] >from Trhanov; this name might be of interest to at
least three SIG members I know.

3 Search for a Bohumir survivor: Dr. Bohumir (Gottfried) BLOCH, born
15. 10. 1914 in Teplitz, deported 6.3.1943 >from Prague to Theresienstadt
and then on 6. 9. 1943 to Auschwitz. Last heard of in 1966 in Los Angeles,
USA, see: http://www.cet.ac.il/terezin/julyg.htm


Re: Translation of Yiddish word "ah-noos" #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@...> wrote in message

I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't: Trying to get
usable quantities of oil >from anise seed, or any other of the carrot
family, is a waste of time.
That may be but http://www.answers.com/topic/anise says that anise is
cultivated for its seedlike fruits and the oil obtained >from them and used
to flavour foods, liqueurs, and candies. I presume that it is used in ouzo.

See also http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/anise.html which says that the
oil of anise is distilled into the flavouring for licorice candy.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/med-aro/factsheets/ANISE.html says that
the oil is used in perfumery and soaps, as well as toothpastes, mouthwashes,
and skin creams. Other uses are also given.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Translation of Yiddish word "ah-noos" #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@...> wrote in message

I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't: Trying to get
usable quantities of oil >from anise seed, or any other of the carrot
family, is a waste of time.
That may be but http://www.answers.com/topic/anise says that anise is
cultivated for its seedlike fruits and the oil obtained >from them and used
to flavour foods, liqueurs, and candies. I presume that it is used in ouzo.

See also http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/anise.html which says that the
oil of anise is distilled into the flavouring for licorice candy.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/med-aro/factsheets/ANISE.html says that
the oil is used in perfumery and soaps, as well as toothpastes, mouthwashes,
and skin creams. Other uses are also given.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


THOMAS Family - Altoona, PA #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I happened to see a street in the 1910 U.S. Census for Altoona, PA, where
there were a number of families that appeared to have American names, but
they were listed as Russian - Yiddish.

One of these was the THOMAS family which was composed of Harry Thomas, age
41, who came to the U.S. in 1904, and his wife Bertha, age 36, who came to
the U.S. with her children in 1907. Their children were: Lena, Annie, Ida,
Rosa, Frieda, David and Jacob who ranged in age >from 18 years to 1-10/12
years.

This is for informational purposes only or as a commentary on what you might
find in the census records. I have no further info on this and am not
related to them.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen THOMAS Family - Altoona, PA #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I happened to see a street in the 1910 U.S. Census for Altoona, PA, where
there were a number of families that appeared to have American names, but
they were listed as Russian - Yiddish.

One of these was the THOMAS family which was composed of Harry Thomas, age
41, who came to the U.S. in 1904, and his wife Bertha, age 36, who came to
the U.S. with her children in 1907. Their children were: Lena, Annie, Ida,
Rosa, Frieda, David and Jacob who ranged in age >from 18 years to 1-10/12
years.

This is for informational purposes only or as a commentary on what you might
find in the census records. I have no further info on this and am not
related to them.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Death Certificate - Leopold LEVY #france

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

I have a photo coy of the death certificate of a Leopold LEVY who died at
age 41 in Mulhouse on 23 Nov 1829. Since this is not "my" LEVY, I can mail
it to anyone interested.
Please respond privately to pierre28@...

Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


French SIG #France Death Certificate - Leopold LEVY #france

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

I have a photo coy of the death certificate of a Leopold LEVY who died at
age 41 in Mulhouse on 23 Nov 1829. Since this is not "my" LEVY, I can mail
it to anyone interested.
Please respond privately to pierre28@...

Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


Re: Jews in Larissa, Volos, Rhodes (and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe) was IGS Tel-Aviv Branch & SIG Sephardim #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

Lots of info about the Rhodos community, most of which emigrated
to the Los angeles area, here:

<http://www.rhodesjewishmuseum.org/>

<http://www.rhodesjewishmuseum.org/kahal.htm>
Notwithstanding the above http://www.zjc.org.il/showpage.php?pageid=173 says
that the majority of the Sephardi Jews in Zimbabwe/Rhodesia hailed from
Rhodes. It is unclear of the reason but it does say that there was "a direct
route" between Rhodes and Rhodesia.

See also http://www.sefarad.org/publication/lm/047/page24.html "The
Migration of Rhodian Jews to Africa and the Americans >from 1900-1914".

A very brief reading of the article says that the culture of the Jews from
Rhodes has been retained in the dispersed communities in Africa and America.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


searching: Nathan D. PERLMAN from NY #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

I'm looking for family of Nathan D. PERLMAN (originally PERELMUTER), who
I believe was a 2nd cousin of my grandmother from
Przasnysz. He was an attorney, judge and legislator >from NY in the
1920s onward.

Please contact me privately at <meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in Larissa, Volos, Rhodes (and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe) was IGS Tel-Aviv Branch & SIG Sephardim #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

Lots of info about the Rhodos community, most of which emigrated
to the Los angeles area, here:

<http://www.rhodesjewishmuseum.org/>

<http://www.rhodesjewishmuseum.org/kahal.htm>
Notwithstanding the above http://www.zjc.org.il/showpage.php?pageid=173 says
that the majority of the Sephardi Jews in Zimbabwe/Rhodesia hailed from
Rhodes. It is unclear of the reason but it does say that there was "a direct
route" between Rhodes and Rhodesia.

See also http://www.sefarad.org/publication/lm/047/page24.html "The
Migration of Rhodian Jews to Africa and the Americans >from 1900-1914".

A very brief reading of the article says that the culture of the Jews from
Rhodes has been retained in the dispersed communities in Africa and America.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: Nathan D. PERLMAN from NY #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

I'm looking for family of Nathan D. PERLMAN (originally PERELMUTER), who
I believe was a 2nd cousin of my grandmother from
Przasnysz. He was an attorney, judge and legislator >from NY in the
1920s onward.

Please contact me privately at <meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


viewmate photos #poland

milton koch <miltonkoch@...>
 

I have posted two photos of possible cousins of my father's.

Please go to view them at this link
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

7320 is a picture of a bride, her first name is Malka, but I don't know
her last name. The woman to her RIGHT is her mother- who MAY be a cousin
of my late father, Max Koch. She was a rebetzin. They lived in NYC. I
also don't have any name or related information. Anything would be of
great help to me.

7321 is picture of the rebetzin in profile and another lady in profile-
possibly her sister. They are seated in the lower right hand of the
picture.

Any names, etc would be appreciated.

Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA
RESEARCHING: KOCH, GINSBERG, BARBASCH; POTOK ZLOTY, PODWOLOZCYSKA,
JAGELNICA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


searching: Nathan D. PERLMAN of NY #poland

marty <meyers01@...>
 

I'm looking for family of Nathan D. PERLMAN (originally PERELMUTER), who
I believe was a 2nd cousin of my grandmother >from Przasnysz.

He was an attorney, judge and legislator >from NY in the 1920s onward.

Please contact me privately at <meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


JRI Poland #Poland viewmate photos #poland

milton koch <miltonkoch@...>
 

I have posted two photos of possible cousins of my father's.

Please go to view them at this link
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

7320 is a picture of a bride, her first name is Malka, but I don't know
her last name. The woman to her RIGHT is her mother- who MAY be a cousin
of my late father, Max Koch. She was a rebetzin. They lived in NYC. I
also don't have any name or related information. Anything would be of
great help to me.

7321 is picture of the rebetzin in profile and another lady in profile-
possibly her sister. They are seated in the lower right hand of the
picture.

Any names, etc would be appreciated.

Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA
RESEARCHING: KOCH, GINSBERG, BARBASCH; POTOK ZLOTY, PODWOLOZCYSKA,
JAGELNICA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland searching: Nathan D. PERLMAN of NY #poland

marty <meyers01@...>
 

I'm looking for family of Nathan D. PERLMAN (originally PERELMUTER), who
I believe was a 2nd cousin of my grandmother >from Przasnysz.

He was an attorney, judge and legislator >from NY in the 1920s onward.

Please contact me privately at <meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


Re: litvaksig digest: December 31, 2005 #lithuania

hksanders@verizon.net <hksanders@...>
 

Does anyone have a new contact address for information about people who
gave testimony to Yad Vashem? An e-mail that I sent to the address
that was posted on LitvakSig in December, 2004, bounced back.

I am trying to contact a Schmuel Mishtovsky, who in 1999 gave testimony
about many siblings, his wife, and his son. The page of testimony give
phone numbers and an address that I cannot decipher, I think in Tel Aviv.

Thanks.

Hildy Sanders
hksanders@...
Baltimore, MD
Searching MISTOVSKY >from Kudirkos Naumiestis (Neistot) and Vilkaviskis),
BLOCK/BLOCH >from Sudargas, PRZESTOVSKY and LEIB >from Lodz.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: litvaksig digest: December 31, 2005 #lithuania

hksanders@verizon.net <hksanders@...>
 

Does anyone have a new contact address for information about people who
gave testimony to Yad Vashem? An e-mail that I sent to the address
that was posted on LitvakSig in December, 2004, bounced back.

I am trying to contact a Schmuel Mishtovsky, who in 1999 gave testimony
about many siblings, his wife, and his son. The page of testimony give
phone numbers and an address that I cannot decipher, I think in Tel Aviv.

Thanks.

Hildy Sanders
hksanders@...
Baltimore, MD
Searching MISTOVSKY >from Kudirkos Naumiestis (Neistot) and Vilkaviskis),
BLOCK/BLOCH >from Sudargas, PRZESTOVSKY and LEIB >from Lodz.


Lithuanian Translation Requested #lithuania

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

Hi All and Happy New Year,

I am hoping that someone can provide a translation of an entry in the 1940
Lithuanian phone directory:
Gordonas, Leiba, gelezies krautuve, Vytauto D. aikste 17; tel: 9

Thank you very much!

Regards,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Lithuanian Translation Requested #lithuania

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

Hi All and Happy New Year,

I am hoping that someone can provide a translation of an entry in the 1940
Lithuanian phone directory:
Gordonas, Leiba, gelezies krautuve, Vytauto D. aikste 17; tel: 9

Thank you very much!

Regards,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA