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NOVAK Family from Tulsa Oklahoma #general

eatwelbwel@aol.com <eatwelbwel@...>
 

I'm searching for information about the Freda NOVAK Family who lived in
Tulsa >from around 1910-?. Freda was widowed at a young age, was left
with several children, and remarried later in life. Her first husband
was in the oil business in Tulsa. They were related to my great
grandmother and I am researching that family. I believe they came to
the US >from Varaklani, Latvia. Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Sandra Fishman
Reading, PA


Recruitment of Jews into the Cavalry of Prussia #lithuania

Elliott Porte <elliott.porte@...>
 

Throughout the 18th and 19th Centuries Jewish horse dealers supplied
both Prussia and Russia with horses. In fact, King Frederick (the Great)
of Prussia during his wars with France, Austria and Russia (approx 1740
to 1770) regarded his relations with his Jewish horse dealers as
paramount in ensuring the supply of cavalry mounts especially during the
resource hungry Seven Years War (1756-1763). In contrast, the
anti-semetic politics and policies of his enemies were exploited by him
to ensure such supplies were denied them in favour of Prussia.

Frederick attributes many of his battle successes (and some of his
defeats) to the quality of his horses and cavalrymen. He claimed that
prior to his reign 'The troopers feared their horses and scarcely ever
rode, knowing only how to go through their exercises on foot, like
infantry'. (The Army of Frederick the Great - Christopher Duffy). While
it is true that Jews were not openly recruited into the Prussian army
i.e. unlike certain of the menfolk in Frederick's principalities, many
were promoted in the field to the officer ranks (usually by having the
word 'von' slipped in between their first and last name) and a few
acheived the rank of General e.g. Konstantin Salenmon and perhaps the
most famous of the Prussian Hussar Officers, Hans Joachim v. Zietan. The
Cavalry in particular were favoured by Jewish recruits and their horse
dealer fathers were able to spot a business opportunity when it was
presented to them; cavalrymen were expected to supply their own horses
wherever possible and there was always a ready market for those who
couldn't - again, Frederick much admired this entrepreneurship.

Christopher Duffy has written extensively about the Prussian Army of the
18th Century and has some notable entries/research concerning Jewish
recruitment and relationships with the military.


Elliott Porte


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NOVAK Family from Tulsa Oklahoma #general

eatwelbwel@aol.com <eatwelbwel@...>
 

I'm searching for information about the Freda NOVAK Family who lived in
Tulsa >from around 1910-?. Freda was widowed at a young age, was left
with several children, and remarried later in life. Her first husband
was in the oil business in Tulsa. They were related to my great
grandmother and I am researching that family. I believe they came to
the US >from Varaklani, Latvia. Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Sandra Fishman
Reading, PA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Recruitment of Jews into the Cavalry of Prussia #lithuania

Elliott Porte <elliott.porte@...>
 

Throughout the 18th and 19th Centuries Jewish horse dealers supplied
both Prussia and Russia with horses. In fact, King Frederick (the Great)
of Prussia during his wars with France, Austria and Russia (approx 1740
to 1770) regarded his relations with his Jewish horse dealers as
paramount in ensuring the supply of cavalry mounts especially during the
resource hungry Seven Years War (1756-1763). In contrast, the
anti-semetic politics and policies of his enemies were exploited by him
to ensure such supplies were denied them in favour of Prussia.

Frederick attributes many of his battle successes (and some of his
defeats) to the quality of his horses and cavalrymen. He claimed that
prior to his reign 'The troopers feared their horses and scarcely ever
rode, knowing only how to go through their exercises on foot, like
infantry'. (The Army of Frederick the Great - Christopher Duffy). While
it is true that Jews were not openly recruited into the Prussian army
i.e. unlike certain of the menfolk in Frederick's principalities, many
were promoted in the field to the officer ranks (usually by having the
word 'von' slipped in between their first and last name) and a few
acheived the rank of General e.g. Konstantin Salenmon and perhaps the
most famous of the Prussian Hussar Officers, Hans Joachim v. Zietan. The
Cavalry in particular were favoured by Jewish recruits and their horse
dealer fathers were able to spot a business opportunity when it was
presented to them; cavalrymen were expected to supply their own horses
wherever possible and there was always a ready market for those who
couldn't - again, Frederick much admired this entrepreneurship.

Christopher Duffy has written extensively about the Prussian Army of the
18th Century and has some notable entries/research concerning Jewish
recruitment and relationships with the military.


Elliott Porte


Re: The Pits at Paneriai, Lithuania #general

Jules Levin
 

At 02:02 AM 1/8/2006, Eve Line Blum wrote:
It must be reminded, once more, that 95 % of the Lithuanian
Jews were killed during WWII, mostly with (and because) the help of
their Lithuanian helpers. More than half of the 878 Jews >from
France of the convoy #73, who were sent to the Baltic States in May
1944 (among whom was my own father) were killed in Lithuania too.
I hope we won't get into an arguments over whose favorite European
country was worse for the Jews. According to a web site on Holocaust
statistics by country, 85% of Lithuanian Jews perished, 91% of Polish
Jews, 84% of Latvian Jews, and 87% of Greek Jews.
French Jews were sent to Lithuania to be killed, but my wife's
parents, not French citizens unfortunately, were arrested by *French*
police on the Swiss border as they tried to escape. We have copies
of the arrest documents, in French, not German. The *French* shipped
them to Paris, >from where they were sent to Auschwitz to perish. I
don't think the Germans trusted armed Lithuanians to operate
independently of German command, but they did trust the French police
to so operate.
The situation in Lithuania requires some analysis. Before the war
Lithuania was perhaps the least unpleasant Eastern European country
for Jews. When Germany and the USSR divided Poland in 1939, streams
of Jews sought refuge where they could. Many thousands were admitted
into Lithuania and were settled in Vilnius, doubling its Jewish
population. During the c. 15 month Soviet occupation, the elite of
society--political leaders, clergy, teachers, businessmen, were
exiled to Siberia--many Jews among them--leaving behind a
lumpenproletariat dominated society. The KGB head appointed by
Stalin to rule Lithuania was a Jew who spoke Lithuanian on the radio
with an obvious Yiddish accent. During the several days between the
German attack and Soviet retreat, the thugs and hooligans took their
revenge on the Jews. They did not ship people to death camps, but
murdered them at random with clubs and knives. The rabbi of the
Choral Synagogue in Vilnius, which those of you who have visited
there have seen, was murdered this way right behind the synagogue.
After many years of hearing and reading many individual stories of
loss and survival in many countries of Europe, I simply believe that
we cannot judge the behaviors of countries as a whole (except maybe
Denmark); there were only individuals, doing bad, doing good, but
mostly just keeping quiet and hoping they wouldn't be noticed by the
bad guys. Never having been tested, I don't know whether I would
have risked my life to save another ethnic group, or just stood on
the sidelines, like most people. By the way, the penalties for
hiding Jews were less severe in "Germanic" countries like Denmark or
Norway, then in Lithuania, where if found out, the hiders were killed
with the hidden. It is incorrect to suggest that any Jews were
killed "because of" anyone but the Germans. Clearly, no Nazis, no
Holocaust. That is the bottom line.

Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note Prof. Levin's desire to avoid contests over
which country's populace was worst for the Jews. We share this desire, and
will not post messages that simply point fingers. While the Holocaust is
generally ontopic here because of its obvious impact on Jewish genealogy,
please keep in mind that the topic of this forum *is* genealogy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Pits at Paneriai, Lithuania #general

Jules Levin
 

At 02:02 AM 1/8/2006, Eve Line Blum wrote:
It must be reminded, once more, that 95 % of the Lithuanian
Jews were killed during WWII, mostly with (and because) the help of
their Lithuanian helpers. More than half of the 878 Jews >from
France of the convoy #73, who were sent to the Baltic States in May
1944 (among whom was my own father) were killed in Lithuania too.
I hope we won't get into an arguments over whose favorite European
country was worse for the Jews. According to a web site on Holocaust
statistics by country, 85% of Lithuanian Jews perished, 91% of Polish
Jews, 84% of Latvian Jews, and 87% of Greek Jews.
French Jews were sent to Lithuania to be killed, but my wife's
parents, not French citizens unfortunately, were arrested by *French*
police on the Swiss border as they tried to escape. We have copies
of the arrest documents, in French, not German. The *French* shipped
them to Paris, >from where they were sent to Auschwitz to perish. I
don't think the Germans trusted armed Lithuanians to operate
independently of German command, but they did trust the French police
to so operate.
The situation in Lithuania requires some analysis. Before the war
Lithuania was perhaps the least unpleasant Eastern European country
for Jews. When Germany and the USSR divided Poland in 1939, streams
of Jews sought refuge where they could. Many thousands were admitted
into Lithuania and were settled in Vilnius, doubling its Jewish
population. During the c. 15 month Soviet occupation, the elite of
society--political leaders, clergy, teachers, businessmen, were
exiled to Siberia--many Jews among them--leaving behind a
lumpenproletariat dominated society. The KGB head appointed by
Stalin to rule Lithuania was a Jew who spoke Lithuanian on the radio
with an obvious Yiddish accent. During the several days between the
German attack and Soviet retreat, the thugs and hooligans took their
revenge on the Jews. They did not ship people to death camps, but
murdered them at random with clubs and knives. The rabbi of the
Choral Synagogue in Vilnius, which those of you who have visited
there have seen, was murdered this way right behind the synagogue.
After many years of hearing and reading many individual stories of
loss and survival in many countries of Europe, I simply believe that
we cannot judge the behaviors of countries as a whole (except maybe
Denmark); there were only individuals, doing bad, doing good, but
mostly just keeping quiet and hoping they wouldn't be noticed by the
bad guys. Never having been tested, I don't know whether I would
have risked my life to save another ethnic group, or just stood on
the sidelines, like most people. By the way, the penalties for
hiding Jews were less severe in "Germanic" countries like Denmark or
Norway, then in Lithuania, where if found out, the hiders were killed
with the hidden. It is incorrect to suggest that any Jews were
killed "because of" anyone but the Germans. Clearly, no Nazis, no
Holocaust. That is the bottom line.

Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note Prof. Levin's desire to avoid contests over
which country's populace was worst for the Jews. We share this desire, and
will not post messages that simply point fingers. While the Holocaust is
generally ontopic here because of its obvious impact on Jewish genealogy,
please keep in mind that the topic of this forum *is* genealogy.


Vital Records Indexing Project #lithuania

Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
 

Hello,

I would like to share with you my continued success with the Vital
Records Indexing Project. Olga Zabludoff, the Keidan coordinator, has
just distributed some more translated birth records. Among them I found
the birth record of my grandmother, KHAYA SMILG [later to become
SROELOV]. I find it amazing that I could actually have the details of
the birth of my grandmother as they were recorded back in 1887. Only
several weeks ago I learnt the name of my grandmother's grandfather,
through the birth record of other grandchildren of his.

At the same time, these birth records cause me great sorrow. In the last
few years I have discovered, mostly through the JewishGen Family Finder
and LitvakSIG, several third cousins of mine, whose families left
Lithuania long before WW2. I am now discovering the births of quite a
few cousins of both my grandparents. The more relatives I discover this
way, the more I realize how big was the loss of our family in the
Shoah. Only few left Lithuania before WW2. But at least I have names.
Who knows, I may still discover another third cousin or two whose
family may have left Lithuania.

Tamar Dothan
Jerusalem


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Vital Records Indexing Project #lithuania

Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
 

Hello,

I would like to share with you my continued success with the Vital
Records Indexing Project. Olga Zabludoff, the Keidan coordinator, has
just distributed some more translated birth records. Among them I found
the birth record of my grandmother, KHAYA SMILG [later to become
SROELOV]. I find it amazing that I could actually have the details of
the birth of my grandmother as they were recorded back in 1887. Only
several weeks ago I learnt the name of my grandmother's grandfather,
through the birth record of other grandchildren of his.

At the same time, these birth records cause me great sorrow. In the last
few years I have discovered, mostly through the JewishGen Family Finder
and LitvakSIG, several third cousins of mine, whose families left
Lithuania long before WW2. I am now discovering the births of quite a
few cousins of both my grandparents. The more relatives I discover this
way, the more I realize how big was the loss of our family in the
Shoah. Only few left Lithuania before WW2. But at least I have names.
Who knows, I may still discover another third cousin or two whose
family may have left Lithuania.

Tamar Dothan
Jerusalem


Kedainiai/Keidan VRI Update #lithuania

Olga Zabludoff <oz@...>
 

Another set of translated Keidan birth records has been distributed to
qualified donors. This marks the completion of thirty-six years of birth
records totaling more than 3,000 documents. The translations are continuing
at a steady, predictable pace, with all indications that the remaining
fourteen years of records will be completed and distributed by April,
bringing the total number of birth records to 4,500. We will then move on to
Phase 2 of the project, the marriage records.

Phase 1 will have been completed in less than a year >from the start date.
The Keidan VRI Project has an established track record. Donations are no
longer a "risk"; they are an investment. They are put to work and they
yield returns. Please invest sothat we can complete the entire project--
the translation of some 15,000 vital records.

This effort is not solely about the translation of records. It is about
awakening a half-century of our ancestors' lives in Keidan. We can never
know enough about them, but we can begin to imagine their marriages,
picture their children and mourn their deaths. We discover their cousins,
their neighbors, their rabbis; we enter the 19th century Jewish community
of Keidan.

I have compiled a surname index based on the translated records to date.
Anyone who wishes to know whether his or her families are represented in the
records is welcome to contact me privately.

For details about the project please visit the website of the Vital Records
Indexing Project: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeol99x/

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan coordinator
oz@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Kedainiai/Keidan VRI Update #lithuania

Olga Zabludoff <oz@...>
 

Another set of translated Keidan birth records has been distributed to
qualified donors. This marks the completion of thirty-six years of birth
records totaling more than 3,000 documents. The translations are continuing
at a steady, predictable pace, with all indications that the remaining
fourteen years of records will be completed and distributed by April,
bringing the total number of birth records to 4,500. We will then move on to
Phase 2 of the project, the marriage records.

Phase 1 will have been completed in less than a year >from the start date.
The Keidan VRI Project has an established track record. Donations are no
longer a "risk"; they are an investment. They are put to work and they
yield returns. Please invest sothat we can complete the entire project--
the translation of some 15,000 vital records.

This effort is not solely about the translation of records. It is about
awakening a half-century of our ancestors' lives in Keidan. We can never
know enough about them, but we can begin to imagine their marriages,
picture their children and mourn their deaths. We discover their cousins,
their neighbors, their rabbis; we enter the 19th century Jewish community
of Keidan.

I have compiled a surname index based on the translated records to date.
Anyone who wishes to know whether his or her families are represented in the
records is welcome to contact me privately.

For details about the project please visit the website of the Vital Records
Indexing Project: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeol99x/

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan coordinator
oz@...


Bronxville/NYC #general

Harold Greenberg <harold.greenberg@...>
 

Chester Street in Brooklyn is 10 longer blocks and
does indeed have a 457. Moreover, it is located in Brownsville, the name
of a neighborhood in Brooklyn.
In 1948, I visited my twin great-aunts, Mary and Martha, in Brownsville -
a section of Brooklyn. Anybody remember them?
As I recall, it was pronounced Bronze-ville, and not Brown-s-ville.

===
researching - GREENBERG, SHAPIRO (kohanim), ROSENTHAL - Vaslui, Romania
WIDAWSKY, SZER - Klobuck and Praszka, Czestochowa, Kielce, Poland
HYMAN - Myegina, Piotrkow, Poland
ISRAELOWITZ - Piotrkow, Poland
===
Harold Hershel Zvi Greenberg
Eilat, Israel
harold.greenberg@...


Brownsville vs. "Bronxville" #general

Lynne R Shapiro <lynneshap@...>
 

Since the discussion on this continues, I am writing (as I've already
done privately to the original poster) to point out that the City of New
York Health Dept. always wants to know the borough of birth when one
requests a birth record. Therefore the city must know in which borough
the child was born. It is probably because the records were kept by
borough (though that may not be as much of a factor now that everything
is computerized) that the birth certificate itself does not say in which
borough the birth occurred.

Lynne Shapiro
Western Mass.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bronxville/NYC #general

Harold Greenberg <harold.greenberg@...>
 

Chester Street in Brooklyn is 10 longer blocks and
does indeed have a 457. Moreover, it is located in Brownsville, the name
of a neighborhood in Brooklyn.
In 1948, I visited my twin great-aunts, Mary and Martha, in Brownsville -
a section of Brooklyn. Anybody remember them?
As I recall, it was pronounced Bronze-ville, and not Brown-s-ville.

===
researching - GREENBERG, SHAPIRO (kohanim), ROSENTHAL - Vaslui, Romania
WIDAWSKY, SZER - Klobuck and Praszka, Czestochowa, Kielce, Poland
HYMAN - Myegina, Piotrkow, Poland
ISRAELOWITZ - Piotrkow, Poland
===
Harold Hershel Zvi Greenberg
Eilat, Israel
harold.greenberg@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brownsville vs. "Bronxville" #general

Lynne R Shapiro <lynneshap@...>
 

Since the discussion on this continues, I am writing (as I've already
done privately to the original poster) to point out that the City of New
York Health Dept. always wants to know the borough of birth when one
requests a birth record. Therefore the city must know in which borough
the child was born. It is probably because the records were kept by
borough (though that may not be as much of a factor now that everything
is computerized) that the birth certificate itself does not say in which
borough the birth occurred.

Lynne Shapiro
Western Mass.


Re: Bronxville, NY #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm glad that Linda responded to Mr. Bernet's message because I was
going to do so myself. I grew up in New Rochelle in the 1950's and had
Jewish friends who lived in Bronxville at that time.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Subject: Re: Bronxville/ NYC
From: "L. Altman" <familysearch@...>
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:55:21 -0500
I disagree with Mr. Bernet's assesment of Bronxville NY. I was born there
and lived there for 17 years. My family and friends of my family most
definatley lived there prior to 1960, both owning and renting property. Yes,
they were Jewish. There is a Jewish population there although there is no
shul in Bronxville proper.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bronxville, NY #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm glad that Linda responded to Mr. Bernet's message because I was
going to do so myself. I grew up in New Rochelle in the 1950's and had
Jewish friends who lived in Bronxville at that time.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Subject: Re: Bronxville/ NYC
From: "L. Altman" <familysearch@...>
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:55:21 -0500
I disagree with Mr. Bernet's assesment of Bronxville NY. I was born there
and lived there for 17 years. My family and friends of my family most
definatley lived there prior to 1960, both owning and renting property. Yes,
they were Jewish. There is a Jewish population there although there is no
shul in Bronxville proper.


Re: SS-5's #general

Lorraine Works
 

My father gave the information for my birth certificate. I needed a copy
for my passport and it was delayed 3 months while they figured out if it was
me. He mispelled my mother's middle name.

Lorraine Wise-Works in Oregon USA

mother's maiden name is - the birth record is best, as the mother said it!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SS-5's #general

Lorraine Works
 

My father gave the information for my birth certificate. I needed a copy
for my passport and it was delayed 3 months while they figured out if it was
me. He mispelled my mother's middle name.

Lorraine Wise-Works in Oregon USA

mother's maiden name is - the birth record is best, as the mother said it!


Family Reunion Conference #general

SelmaN@...
 

For every family planning a 1st or 50th reunion! The Family Reunion
Institute of Temple University School of Social Administration (Philadelphia) and the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania's Tourism Office invite family leaders statewide
and across the U.S. to attend the 15th National Family Reunion Conference on
- March 17, 18, 19, 2006
- Pittsburgh, PA USA
For more details and information go to >> www.temple.edu/fri <<
or contact Sylvia Ford-George at Portfolio Associates, Inc. 215-627-3660
or email > sfordgeorge@... <

I have no connection with any of the above.
Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@...
Researching:
WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus);
SINGER, NEWMAN (possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Reunion Conference #general

SelmaN@...
 

For every family planning a 1st or 50th reunion! The Family Reunion
Institute of Temple University School of Social Administration (Philadelphia) and the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania's Tourism Office invite family leaders statewide
and across the U.S. to attend the 15th National Family Reunion Conference on
- March 17, 18, 19, 2006
- Pittsburgh, PA USA
For more details and information go to >> www.temple.edu/fri <<
or contact Sylvia Ford-George at Portfolio Associates, Inc. 215-627-3660
or email > sfordgeorge@... <

I have no connection with any of the above.
Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@...
Researching:
WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus);
SINGER, NEWMAN (possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)