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Re: World War I expulsion from Siauliai #lithuania

Martinbeen@...
 

According to correspondence I received >from Chaim Joselson this is what
happened to the Jews in the area.
"In May 1915 we were deprted by the Tzar to Penza, deep Russia. There we
lived almost together house to house until 1921 when we were repatriated to
to Janishkel"

I then wrote and asked him some questions and he replied;
"You are right, I was 3 weeks old when we were deported.... There my father
was mobilised and sent to the Austrian Front. In 1918 he returned already
as a red army soldier to Lithuania. In Jonishkel he found already Moshe
Yehuda Been with his family and also the Wasserman family. He got back
our house and most of the furniture and property. The reaction of most
of the local population was positive and even friendly. In 1921 when we
all returned to Jonishkel we found everything in good order and ready
to accept us".

Martin Been


Zasliai and Zeimiai Web Pages #lithuania

Jose Gutstein
 

I have created web pages for two towns in Lithuania:

- Zasliai (Zosle), located about half-way between Kaunas and Vilnius:

http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm

- Zeimiai (Zheim), a very tiny village NE of Kaunas, only 7 miles NNW of
Jonava, 7 miles S of Seta, 12 miles SE of Kedainiai:

http://www.gutstein.net/zeimiai/zeimiai-home.htm

Thank you,

...........................................
Jose Gutstein
E-Mail: Gutstein@bellsouth.net
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com
Szczuczyn web page: http://www.szczuczyn.com
Wizna web page: http://www.wizna.com
Zasliai web page: http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm
Zeimiai web page: http://www.gutstein.net/zeimiai/zeimiai-home.htm


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: World War I expulsion from Siauliai #lithuania

Martinbeen@...
 

According to correspondence I received >from Chaim Joselson this is what
happened to the Jews in the area.
"In May 1915 we were deprted by the Tzar to Penza, deep Russia. There we
lived almost together house to house until 1921 when we were repatriated to
to Janishkel"

I then wrote and asked him some questions and he replied;
"You are right, I was 3 weeks old when we were deported.... There my father
was mobilised and sent to the Austrian Front. In 1918 he returned already
as a red army soldier to Lithuania. In Jonishkel he found already Moshe
Yehuda Been with his family and also the Wasserman family. He got back
our house and most of the furniture and property. The reaction of most
of the local population was positive and even friendly. In 1921 when we
all returned to Jonishkel we found everything in good order and ready
to accept us".

Martin Been


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Zasliai and Zeimiai Web Pages #lithuania

Jose Gutstein
 

I have created web pages for two towns in Lithuania:

- Zasliai (Zosle), located about half-way between Kaunas and Vilnius:

http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm

- Zeimiai (Zheim), a very tiny village NE of Kaunas, only 7 miles NNW of
Jonava, 7 miles S of Seta, 12 miles SE of Kedainiai:

http://www.gutstein.net/zeimiai/zeimiai-home.htm

Thank you,

...........................................
Jose Gutstein
E-Mail: Gutstein@bellsouth.net
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com
Szczuczyn web page: http://www.szczuczyn.com
Wizna web page: http://www.wizna.com
Zasliai web page: http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm
Zeimiai web page: http://www.gutstein.net/zeimiai/zeimiai-home.htm


Thanks (Solomon-Zalman) #lithuania

Ried Nathalie <nathalieried@...>
 

Shalom to all and many thanks for your interesting answers : the
overwhelming consensus is that Zalman and Shlomo are two versions of the
same name, but I wanted to check this out specially because I have seen
Zalman being one of the possible variants for Meshulam in the Given
Names Database....which is quite possible too, but apparantly less
frequent!
Thanks again
Nathalie RIED (Paris, France)


Aviva Neeman #lithuania

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

I apologize in advance for inconveniencing all of you!

Aviva, could you please get in touch with me? I can't bring up your
email address!

Martha Lev-Zion

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Thanks (Solomon-Zalman) #lithuania

Ried Nathalie <nathalieried@...>
 

Shalom to all and many thanks for your interesting answers : the
overwhelming consensus is that Zalman and Shlomo are two versions of the
same name, but I wanted to check this out specially because I have seen
Zalman being one of the possible variants for Meshulam in the Given
Names Database....which is quite possible too, but apparantly less
frequent!
Thanks again
Nathalie RIED (Paris, France)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Aviva Neeman #lithuania

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

I apologize in advance for inconveniencing all of you!

Aviva, could you please get in touch with me? I can't bring up your
email address!

Martha Lev-Zion

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately


Re: World War I expulsion from Siauliai #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Assaf Urieli asked about World War I expulsion of Jews >from Siauliai.

I created a page for Siauliai (Shavl or Shavli), the birth place of my
husbands' grandmother; Dr. Ada Yeta Levitan ( nee Rabinovitz)
I spoke to a few natives who survived the Shoah in Siauliai. I posted
their stories http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/siauliai/siauliai.html
You should read in Siauliai stories; Through the Eye of the Needle
Mr. Meyer Kron wrote; "..all the Jews had to move >from the Pale of
Settlement eastward. The time allotted for this move was limited and,
as a result, quite a panic ensued. People used all means of
transportation to move. Our family was lucky enough to get onto a
railway car. We first moved to Vitebsk, where we stayed for about a
year, then to the small town of Bogorodsk, approximately forty miles
from Moscow.
There are other stories.

Prof. Simcha Brudno ( born in Shavli in 1924) told me;

In 1914, at the outbreak of the First World War , my father Aharon was
taken to serve in the czars' army. Many of the Russian soldiers looked
at him strangely since he was the first Jew they had ever met. .... .
In the spring of 1915, the Russian leaders decided to expel the Jews
to the interior of the country, claiming that the Jews had helped the
Germans and blaming them for the failures of the Russian army. The
Jews of Shavli were forced onto trains to Poltova and later to Kharkov
where my mother Berta and sister Nechama spent their days .... When
the war ended, they returned to Shavli and reunited with my father,
Aharon.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania re: World War I expulsion from Siauliai #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Assaf Urieli asked about World War I expulsion of Jews >from Siauliai.

I created a page for Siauliai (Shavl or Shavli), the birth place of my
husbands' grandmother; Dr. Ada Yeta Levitan ( nee Rabinovitz)
I spoke to a few natives who survived the Shoah in Siauliai. I posted
their stories http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/siauliai/siauliai.html
You should read in Siauliai stories; Through the Eye of the Needle
Mr. Meyer Kron wrote; "..all the Jews had to move >from the Pale of
Settlement eastward. The time allotted for this move was limited and,
as a result, quite a panic ensued. People used all means of
transportation to move. Our family was lucky enough to get onto a
railway car. We first moved to Vitebsk, where we stayed for about a
year, then to the small town of Bogorodsk, approximately forty miles
from Moscow.
There are other stories.

Prof. Simcha Brudno ( born in Shavli in 1924) told me;

In 1914, at the outbreak of the First World War , my father Aharon was
taken to serve in the czars' army. Many of the Russian soldiers looked
at him strangely since he was the first Jew they had ever met. .... .
In the spring of 1915, the Russian leaders decided to expel the Jews
to the interior of the country, claiming that the Jews had helped the
Germans and blaming them for the failures of the Russian army. The
Jews of Shavli were forced onto trains to Poltova and later to Kharkov
where my mother Berta and sister Nechama spent their days .... When
the war ended, they returned to Shavli and reunited with my father,
Aharon.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Re: Solomon/Zalman-Zalmen #lithuania

Zalman <zall@...>
 

Hi Nathalie,

BTW, my name is also Zalman, so I know a little about this name.
The original Hebrew name >from which Zalman has derived is Shlomo.
"Shlomo HaMelech" was Israel's King, which in English is known as King
Solomon. Of course the english version of the name has appeared much
much later when our Bible/Torah was translated into english.
After the destruction of the second Temple by Romans, the diaspora
started with many Jews settling in Europe. So those who were called
Shlomo adopted the name Salomon/Solomon.
Later on it became Salman>>>>Zalman.

Zalman Lazkovich
Alytus,Butremonis,Aukshtadvaris,Lackovic,Meyerovich


I have an ancestor named Zalmen and I thought it was a form of Solomon
but I got a doubt seeing that the Vilna Gaon's names were Elijah ben=
Salomon Zalman : if Solomon and Zalman were the same name, would it be
repeated twice.

Thanks for your opinion about this,

Nathalie RIED (Paris, FRANCE)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Solomon/Zalman-Zalmen #lithuania

Zalman <zall@...>
 

Hi Nathalie,

BTW, my name is also Zalman, so I know a little about this name.
The original Hebrew name >from which Zalman has derived is Shlomo.
"Shlomo HaMelech" was Israel's King, which in English is known as King
Solomon. Of course the english version of the name has appeared much
much later when our Bible/Torah was translated into english.
After the destruction of the second Temple by Romans, the diaspora
started with many Jews settling in Europe. So those who were called
Shlomo adopted the name Salomon/Solomon.
Later on it became Salman>>>>Zalman.

Zalman Lazkovich
Alytus,Butremonis,Aukshtadvaris,Lackovic,Meyerovich


I have an ancestor named Zalmen and I thought it was a form of Solomon
but I got a doubt seeing that the Vilna Gaon's names were Elijah ben=
Salomon Zalman : if Solomon and Zalman were the same name, would it be
repeated twice.

Thanks for your opinion about this,

Nathalie RIED (Paris, FRANCE)


more on names #lithuania

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would be interested in knowing a bit about the grandfather before
commenting. However, not knowing where he lived/died, whether he was
religious or not, I will none-the-less give an answer that would apply
if the grandfather was religious and considered pious.

The talmudic term for a believer, who would never go against a
commandment (mitzvah), including Rabbinic laws, is 'Chaver'. I have
seen it mentioned in the gemorra mostly in regard to giving tithe to a
Levy (maaser) as well as truma to a Cohen. One who is not suspect in
eating produce without first giving the truma and maaser, is called a
Chaver. Sometimes, the term Chaver is used to describe a Rabbi.

Additionally, in tractate Pessachim 4b, the gemorra states that all
(including men, women and children) are trustworthy to check for
chametz prior to Pessach. The wording is 'hakol chaverim hem etzel
b'dikat chametz' - all are chaverim regarding searching for chametz.=20
When the gemorra uses the term 'hakol' =3D all, it comes to add more
than what would normally be considered proper. Hence the addition of
women and children, as well as Jewish slaves for that matter.

(I have written what I wrote only to explain the term Chaver, which is
part of the question at hand. I am not trying to start a discussion
on religion or the gemorra, and do not wish to have private
discussions on the pros or cons of such matters)

Most likely Alter's grandfather was an extremely pious person, hence
the use of the term chaver to describe him.

As to the second question, so what. Adding a name that isn't there
would be like saying that every Leib is Yehuda or Arye, and it isn't
necessarily so. I have a Moshe Leib GINZBURG, d-1935 who married a
sister of one of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, a Moshe Zeev (and not
Binyamin or Wolf), whose daughter married a great grandson of the
Maggid of Mezeritch. I'm sure most of the genners have such examples.
If you don't have the name, and the stone indicates that you don't,
don't make up. Besides, why would you want to?

As another example, my oldest son is named for the Maggid of Mezeritch
and my late brother. His name is Dov Asher. I did not give him the
Ber >from Dov Ber, and it is therefore, not part of his name. Calling
him Berele would not be correct.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


On 1/25/06, Altersolomon@aol.com <Altersolomon@aol.com> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Could any litvaksigger help me understand the wording on my
grandfathers headstone.
It reads in Hebrew: "Hechaver Avraham Note (spelled nun tet ayin) benre=
b Itamar".

1) What would the word Hechaver refer to?

2) Would I be right to assume that Note is yiddish for Nathan and if so =
shouldn't the Hebrew word Natan have appeared before Note?
Many thanks
Alter Solomon.
--
Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEVITZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fwd: more on names #lithuania

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would be interested in knowing a bit about the grandfather before
commenting. However, not knowing where he lived/died, whether he was
religious or not, I will none-the-less give an answer that would apply
if the grandfather was religious and considered pious.

The talmudic term for a believer, who would never go against a
commandment (mitzvah), including Rabbinic laws, is 'Chaver'. I have
seen it mentioned in the gemorra mostly in regard to giving tithe to a
Levy (maaser) as well as truma to a Cohen. One who is not suspect in
eating produce without first giving the truma and maaser, is called a
Chaver. Sometimes, the term Chaver is used to describe a Rabbi.

Additionally, in tractate Pessachim 4b, the gemorra states that all
(including men, women and children) are trustworthy to check for
chametz prior to Pessach. The wording is 'hakol chaverim hem etzel
b'dikat chametz' - all are chaverim regarding searching for chametz.=20
When the gemorra uses the term 'hakol' =3D all, it comes to add more
than what would normally be considered proper. Hence the addition of
women and children, as well as Jewish slaves for that matter.

(I have written what I wrote only to explain the term Chaver, which is
part of the question at hand. I am not trying to start a discussion
on religion or the gemorra, and do not wish to have private
discussions on the pros or cons of such matters)

Most likely Alter's grandfather was an extremely pious person, hence
the use of the term chaver to describe him.

As to the second question, so what. Adding a name that isn't there
would be like saying that every Leib is Yehuda or Arye, and it isn't
necessarily so. I have a Moshe Leib GINZBURG, d-1935 who married a
sister of one of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, a Moshe Zeev (and not
Binyamin or Wolf), whose daughter married a great grandson of the
Maggid of Mezeritch. I'm sure most of the genners have such examples.
If you don't have the name, and the stone indicates that you don't,
don't make up. Besides, why would you want to?

As another example, my oldest son is named for the Maggid of Mezeritch
and my late brother. His name is Dov Asher. I did not give him the
Ber >from Dov Ber, and it is therefore, not part of his name. Calling
him Berele would not be correct.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


On 1/25/06, Altersolomon@aol.com <Altersolomon@aol.com> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Could any litvaksigger help me understand the wording on my
grandfathers headstone.
It reads in Hebrew: "Hechaver Avraham Note (spelled nun tet ayin) benre=
b Itamar".

1) What would the word Hechaver refer to?

2) Would I be right to assume that Note is yiddish for Nathan and if so =
shouldn't the Hebrew word Natan have appeared before Note?
Many thanks
Alter Solomon.
--
Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEVITZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin


The name Marmal #poland

Jeff Segal <jeff.segal@...>
 

Is anyone familiar with the woman's name Marmal, spelt (in Yiddish) mem
aleph resh mem aleph lamed? Could it be an equivalent of the Polish secular
name Maria? It belonged to a relative in Lublin.

I've looked on the JewishGen Given Names Database, but haven't found
anything similar.

Thanks and regards,

Jeff Segal

Researching
DORFGAJER, GRADEL, TEMPELDYNER, FRYDMAN (Lublin)
SEGAL, SAPHIER (Zbaraz)
STOLLAR, SHLOCHEVSKY (Poltava)


JRI Poland #Poland The name Marmal #poland

Jeff Segal <jeff.segal@...>
 

Is anyone familiar with the woman's name Marmal, spelt (in Yiddish) mem
aleph resh mem aleph lamed? Could it be an equivalent of the Polish secular
name Maria? It belonged to a relative in Lublin.

I've looked on the JewishGen Given Names Database, but haven't found
anything similar.

Thanks and regards,

Jeff Segal

Researching
DORFGAJER, GRADEL, TEMPELDYNER, FRYDMAN (Lublin)
SEGAL, SAPHIER (Zbaraz)
STOLLAR, SHLOCHEVSKY (Poltava)


GerSIG Box Lunch meeting set for Monday, 14 August #germany

GerSig@...
 

GerSIG members planning to attend the 2006 IAJGS Conference in New York
may now reserve places at our luncheon meeting on Monday, 14 August.

Those who have already registered for the Conference may add our $30 box lunch
to their program at the Conference website:

http://www.jgsny2006.org/

Details on how to do this were sent to subscribers of the NY 2006 Email list
yesterday.

Note: You can purchase tickets for this luncheon at any time but you
can * not * obtain a refund of the $30 fee once it has been paid except by selling
your box lunch ticket to another member.

See you in August !

John Paul Lowens - GerSIG Coordinator


German SIG #Germany GerSIG Box Lunch meeting set for Monday, 14 August #germany

GerSig@...
 

GerSIG members planning to attend the 2006 IAJGS Conference in New York
may now reserve places at our luncheon meeting on Monday, 14 August.

Those who have already registered for the Conference may add our $30 box lunch
to their program at the Conference website:

http://www.jgsny2006.org/

Details on how to do this were sent to subscribers of the NY 2006 Email list
yesterday.

Note: You can purchase tickets for this luncheon at any time but you
can * not * obtain a refund of the $30 fee once it has been paid except by selling
your box lunch ticket to another member.

See you in August !

John Paul Lowens - GerSIG Coordinator


Re: Request help finding Resistance patriots #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

There is a book by or about "Varian Fry" who performed such services in
Southern France, getting people into Spain and North Africa.
Internet search for the name "Varian Fry" and you will get a bunch of references,
which may give you further leads.

Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA <mailto:beagun27@comcast.net>


German SIG #Germany Re: Request help finding Resistance patriots #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

There is a book by or about "Varian Fry" who performed such services in
Southern France, getting people into Spain and North Africa.
Internet search for the name "Varian Fry" and you will get a bunch of references,
which may give you further leads.

Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA <mailto:beagun27@comcast.net>