On 2006.01.2), B Mills <AZ61BROOK@aol.com> asked:

If a woman was adopted, and was not sure if her birth parents were
Jewish, would any of these tests show any information indicating
origins?

Would they show a possibility of Jewish ancestors, or possibly
another type of ancestor, such as Asian, Irish, German non-Jewish
ancestors?>>

The mtDNA test could show a maternal line haplogroup (major
population group descended >from a single remote woman ancestor) or
a specific haplotype pattern that would be suggestive of Jewish
ancestry, but in no way could a definitive result be expected.

Identification of the haplogroup could also point to the geographic
area where that particular maternal line originated

Donn Devine, C.G., C.G.I
Wilmington, Delaware, USA

As has been mentioned here before, the offices of Kollel Hibat Zion (120
Mea Shearin Street, Jerusalem) hold handwritten records of collections in
Galician towns and cities to help support the Galicianers living in
Jerusalem. These files are for the years ~1925-1938, earlier files
having been lost when the Old City fell.

The records of the collections are in two metal filing cabinets and are
arranged in eighty-three loose leaf folders in alphabetical order (Hebrew
letters). The purpose of this post is to advise that the list of
communties is now online at http://www.pikholz.org/KGal/Cabinet.html ,
with my best efforts at giving the town names in Latin letters. I am
quite sure that this can be improved upon but I would really appreciate
it if corrections were limited to certainties, not guesses. (We
already have enough of those.)

The actual records, which sometimes reflect several collections each
year, do not tell much more than the fact that a particular person lived in a
particular town in a particular year (and how much he contributed), but
there is additional information in some cases.

The records are generally in Hebrew, but at least a few years of Jaroslav
collections (and maybe others as well) have the names in Latin letters.

Although the kollel is a private organization and these files are not
public property, they are quite good about letting people come in and
look through them, although anyone doing so should be aware of their
sensibilities.

Their definition of Galicia is somewhat different >from ours, as it does
not include an arc of communities >from Buczacz to Skalat in the
southeastern corner of East Galicia. The files also include Karlsbad,
which while not being in Galicia, certainly had transient and/or ex-
patriate communities which would have supported the brethren in the Holy
Land. Files 84-85 include contributions >from German communities and that
list too is linked >from the above URL, with translation. (There seem to
be no such records >from the largest ex-patriate community in Europe -
Vienna.)

The kollel office also has journals with records of disbursements to
Galicianers in Jerusalem going well back into the 1800's and some burial
records which they say are not in the records of the Hassidic Burial
society.

Israel Pickholtz

On 2006.01.2), B Mills <AZ61BROOK@aol.com> asked:

If a woman was adopted, and was not sure if her birth parents were
Jewish, would any of these tests show any information indicating
origins?

Would they show a possibility of Jewish ancestors, or possibly
another type of ancestor, such as Asian, Irish, German non-Jewish
ancestors?>>

The mtDNA test could show a maternal line haplogroup (major
population group descended >from a single remote woman ancestor) or
a specific haplotype pattern that would be suggestive of Jewish
ancestry, but in no way could a definitive result be expected.

Identification of the haplogroup could also point to the geographic
area where that particular maternal line originated

Donn Devine, C.G., C.G.I
Wilmington, Delaware, USA

As has been mentioned here before, the offices of Kollel Hibat Zion (120
Mea Shearin Street, Jerusalem) hold handwritten records of collections in
Galician towns and cities to help support the Galicianers living in
Jerusalem. These files are for the years ~1925-1938, earlier files
having been lost when the Old City fell.

The records of the collections are in two metal filing cabinets and are
arranged in eighty-three loose leaf folders in alphabetical order (Hebrew
letters). The purpose of this post is to advise that the list of
communties is now online at http://www.pikholz.org/KGal/Cabinet.html ,
with my best efforts at giving the town names in Latin letters. I am
quite sure that this can be improved upon but I would really appreciate
it if corrections were limited to certainties, not guesses. (We
already have enough of those.)

The actual records, which sometimes reflect several collections each
year, do not tell much more than the fact that a particular person lived in a
particular town in a particular year (and how much he contributed), but
there is additional information in some cases.

The records are generally in Hebrew, but at least a few years of Jaroslav
collections (and maybe others as well) have the names in Latin letters.

Although the kollel is a private organization and these files are not
public property, they are quite good about letting people come in and
look through them, although anyone doing so should be aware of their
sensibilities.

Their definition of Galicia is somewhat different >from ours, as it does
not include an arc of communities >from Buczacz to Skalat in the
southeastern corner of East Galicia. The files also include Karlsbad,
which while not being in Galicia, certainly had transient and/or ex-
patriate communities which would have supported the brethren in the Holy
Land. Files 84-85 include contributions >from German communities and that
list too is linked >from the above URL, with translation. (There seem to
be no such records >from the largest ex-patriate community in Europe -
Vienna.)

The kollel office also has journals with records of disbursements to
Galicianers in Jerusalem going well back into the 1800's and some burial
records which they say are not in the records of the Hassidic Burial
society.

Israel Pickholtz

Does anyone have a current telephone number for
Grisha Chosid in Grodno that they know is good, and
works. So far my family has not got an answer on the
numbers I have been given. We have tried for 3
weeks.

Shalom,
Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Does anyone have a current telephone number for
Grisha Chosid in Grodno that they know is good, and
works. So far my family has not got an answer on the
numbers I have been given. We have tried for 3
weeks.

Shalom,
Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

To: "LitvakSIG" <litvaksig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: Re: litvaksig digest: January 20, 2006

To: "LitvakSIG" <litvaksig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: Re: litvaksig digest: January 20, 2006

If you have an interest in owning a genuine, original-issue Yizkor
Book for Wyszkow, Poland, titled "Sefer Wyszkow," published in 1964,
please contact me privately for details.

--
Howard Orenstein
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Plonsk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England

If you have an interest in owning a genuine, original-issue Yizkor
Book for Wyszkow, Poland, titled "Sefer Wyszkow," published in 1964,
please contact me privately for details.

--
Howard Orenstein
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Plonsk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England

from the 1881 Census

Dwelling: No 11 Duke St
Census Place: Old Artillery Ground, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341095 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0438 Folio 87 Page
48
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Moss SIMMONS M 40 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Milk Seller
Abigail [GARCIA ] SIMMONS M 41 F London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex,
England
Rel: Wife
Charles SIMMONS U 18 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Stationer
Isaac SIMMONS U 16 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: French Polisher
Samuel SIMMONS U 14 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Stationer
Hannah SIMMONS U 9 F London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Daughter
Moss SIMMONS U 7 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Daur (Son)Dwelling: No 11 Duke St
Census Place: Old Artillery Ground, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341095 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0438 Folio 87 Page
48
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Moss SIMMONS M 40 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Milk Seller
Abigail SIMMONS M 41 F London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Wife
>
Charles married Catherine Leese. They married in March 1883

Hanah was born Dec.1870 at 29 Petticoat Square

I have an enquiry about this Ashkenazi/ Sephardi family : Does anyone know

of them after 1881

Thanks

Aubrey Jacobus
LONDON

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from the 1881 Census

Dwelling: No 11 Duke St
Census Place: Old Artillery Ground, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341095 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0438 Folio 87 Page
48
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Moss SIMMONS M 40 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Milk Seller
Abigail [GARCIA ] SIMMONS M 41 F London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex,
England
Rel: Wife
Charles SIMMONS U 18 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Stationer
Isaac SIMMONS U 16 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: French Polisher
Samuel SIMMONS U 14 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Stationer
Hannah SIMMONS U 9 F London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Daughter
Moss SIMMONS U 7 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Daur (Son)Dwelling: No 11 Duke St
Census Place: Old Artillery Ground, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341095 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0438 Folio 87 Page
48
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Moss SIMMONS M 40 M London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Milk Seller
Abigail SIMMONS M 41 F London Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Wife
>
Charles married Catherine Leese. They married in March 1883

Hanah was born Dec.1870 at 29 Petticoat Square

I have an enquiry about this Ashkenazi/ Sephardi family : Does anyone know

of them after 1881

Thanks

Aubrey Jacobus
LONDON

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The JGS of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County [California] (JGSCV) will
meet on Sunday, February 5, 2006 >from 2:00 -4:00 p.m.

Attend our meeting and learn about "windows of our past" the archives of the
Ventura County Museum - Our program is the "Jewish Treasures of the Ventura
County Museum".

Charles Johnson, Librarian and Associate Director of the Ventura County
Museum will discuss the archives and resources of the Ventura County Museum
related to the pioneer Jews of Ventura County, including where the pioneer
Jews are buried, the A. Levy Collection, and other collections of interest.
Learn how to research your Ventura County pioneer ancestors starting from
1873 >from biographical resources! Mr. Johnson will present historical
research, depicting time and place--providing "windows of our past".

The meeting is scheduled for January 8 2006 >from 2:00-4:00 pm at Temple
Adat Elohim in the Social Hall. The meeting is co-sponsored with Temple
Adat Elohim .

Location: Temple Adat Elohim, Social Hall
2420 E. Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks

Directions:

from the east: 101 Freeway going west/north to Hampshire Blvd. Turn left

to East Thousand Oaks Blvd, turn right (north) on Skyline Drive,
turn left on E. Hillcrest drive go 0.3 miles - Temple is on the left.

from the west:

Take 101 Freeway going east/south - exit Rancho Road in Thousand Oaks, go
left or north (across Thousand Oaks Blvd) to E. Hillcrest Drive
turn right on E. Hillcrest go about 1.3 miles (just east of Conejo School
Road) Temple is on the right.

There are approximately 75 parking spots within the complex. There is no
parking on Hillcrest Drive. You may park in the complex or on any of the
side streets.

There is no fee to attend the program, and anyone interested in Jewish
genealogy is welcome to attend.

For more information on the JGSCV or about the program, please contact Jan
Meisels Allen at jan@JGSCV.org

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV
Agoura Hills, CA

Sunday, January 29th at 2:00 PM
Soref Jewish Community Center
6501 West Sunrise Blvd.
(65th Avenue between University Drive and the Florida Turnpike)
Plantation, Florida

Our speaker will be Ron Arons who will speak about Bugsy Siegel and Meyer
Lansky - the Men Behind the famous Flamingo Hotel and their amazing lives. The
talk will not only provide a terrific story, but also focus on how and where
one can find non-traditional documents. Of special interest Mayer Lansky,
born Maier Suchowljansky, a Jew >from Grudno, once lived in Miami Beach and
later helped put Las Vegas on the map.

Admission is free, all are welcome and refreshments will be served. For
additional information or inquiries, please check our website at
www.JGSBroward.org or www.Sorefjcc.org.

Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman

The JGS of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County [California] (JGSCV) will
meet on Sunday, February 5, 2006 >from 2:00 -4:00 p.m.

Attend our meeting and learn about "windows of our past" the archives of the
Ventura County Museum - Our program is the "Jewish Treasures of the Ventura
County Museum".

Charles Johnson, Librarian and Associate Director of the Ventura County
Museum will discuss the archives and resources of the Ventura County Museum
related to the pioneer Jews of Ventura County, including where the pioneer
Jews are buried, the A. Levy Collection, and other collections of interest.
Learn how to research your Ventura County pioneer ancestors starting from
1873 >from biographical resources! Mr. Johnson will present historical
research, depicting time and place--providing "windows of our past".

The meeting is scheduled for January 8 2006 >from 2:00-4:00 pm at Temple
Adat Elohim in the Social Hall. The meeting is co-sponsored with Temple
Adat Elohim .

Location: Temple Adat Elohim, Social Hall
2420 E. Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks

Directions:

from the east: 101 Freeway going west/north to Hampshire Blvd. Turn left

to East Thousand Oaks Blvd, turn right (north) on Skyline Drive,
turn left on E. Hillcrest drive go 0.3 miles - Temple is on the left.

from the west:

Take 101 Freeway going east/south - exit Rancho Road in Thousand Oaks, go
left or north (across Thousand Oaks Blvd) to E. Hillcrest Drive
turn right on E. Hillcrest go about 1.3 miles (just east of Conejo School
Road) Temple is on the right.

There are approximately 75 parking spots within the complex. There is no
parking on Hillcrest Drive. You may park in the complex or on any of the
side streets.

There is no fee to attend the program, and anyone interested in Jewish
genealogy is welcome to attend.

For more information on the JGSCV or about the program, please contact Jan
Meisels Allen at jan@JGSCV.org

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV
Agoura Hills, CA

Sunday, January 29th at 2:00 PM
Soref Jewish Community Center
6501 West Sunrise Blvd.
(65th Avenue between University Drive and the Florida Turnpike)
Plantation, Florida

Our speaker will be Ron Arons who will speak about Bugsy Siegel and Meyer
Lansky - the Men Behind the famous Flamingo Hotel and their amazing lives. The
talk will not only provide a terrific story, but also focus on how and where
one can find non-traditional documents. Of special interest Mayer Lansky,
born Maier Suchowljansky, a Jew >from Grudno, once lived in Miami Beach and
later helped put Las Vegas on the map.

Admission is free, all are welcome and refreshments will be served. For
additional information or inquiries, please check our website at
www.JGSBroward.org or www.Sorefjcc.org.

Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman

Dear Jonathan,

In looking at a modern A-Z for London, I see that there are a total
of ten Cornwall Roads; four of them have London postal district
appellations: N4, N15, N18, SE1, while six are in the London suburbs:
Croydon, Esher, Harrow, Pinner, Sutton and Twickenham. If Jonathan is
fairly sure that the business was in London, then we can probably
disregard the suburb locations

I then looked at my pre-war (WW2) A-Z, I see that there are five
Cornwall Roads with postal district appellations: E2, N4, N15, SE1,
and W11.

E2 - a very short street in Bethnal Green/Mile End area. It ran
westwards off Braintree Street (still there today). It was renamed
Cornwall AVENUE in 1938.

N4 - this too is a short "one block long" street running east-west
between Lancaster Road and Oakfield Road in Finsbury Park. It is just
to the west of the park. It is still there today.

N15 - one mile NE of the N4 location. It runs north-south >from St.
Ann's Road to Green Road in the North Harringay area. It is still
there today

N18 - getting closer to the "'burbs." A "very" short street running
north-south >from Angel Road (A 406) to Fairfield Road. It is so small
that most maps don't name it, but it is the second one >from the right
going east >from Fore Street as one walks down Fairfield. Still there
today.

SE1 - this runs roughly north-south >from Upper Ground to The Cut in
Lambeth. This too is still there today.

So, Jonathan, which one? By the way, there is a Grodzinski's bakery
at the bottom of my road, Edgwarebury Lane, Edgware where my mother
gets her challah every week.

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
Berkeley, California, USA

Dear Jonathan,

In looking at a modern A-Z for London, I see that there are a total
of ten Cornwall Roads; four of them have London postal district
appellations: N4, N15, N18, SE1, while six are in the London suburbs:
Croydon, Esher, Harrow, Pinner, Sutton and Twickenham. If Jonathan is
fairly sure that the business was in London, then we can probably
disregard the suburb locations

I then looked at my pre-war (WW2) A-Z, I see that there are five
Cornwall Roads with postal district appellations: E2, N4, N15, SE1,
and W11.

E2 - a very short street in Bethnal Green/Mile End area. It ran
westwards off Braintree Street (still there today). It was renamed
Cornwall AVENUE in 1938.

N4 - this too is a short "one block long" street running east-west
between Lancaster Road and Oakfield Road in Finsbury Park. It is just
to the west of the park. It is still there today.

N15 - one mile NE of the N4 location. It runs north-south >from St.
Ann's Road to Green Road in the North Harringay area. It is still
there today

N18 - getting closer to the "'burbs." A "very" short street running
north-south >from Angel Road (A 406) to Fairfield Road. It is so small
that most maps don't name it, but it is the second one >from the right
going east >from Fore Street as one walks down Fairfield. Still there
today.

SE1 - this runs roughly north-south >from Upper Ground to The Cut in
Lambeth. This too is still there today.

So, Jonathan, which one? By the way, there is a Grodzinski's bakery
at the bottom of my road, Edgwarebury Lane, Edgware where my mother
gets her challah every week.

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
Berkeley, California, USA

Jonathan,

Am I right in thinking you are in London? If so, go to the Family Records
Centre in Myddelton Street (between Sadlers Wells Theatre and Mount Pleasant
Post Office) and on the first floor you can consult the census on microfilm
and, where available, online. They have the complete set of indexes which
will allow you to locate the correct page for a particular street very
quickly. The staff are very helpful and will show you how to use the
indexes if you have never used them before.

Beverly Bergman
Camberley UK


<Yes, there are street indexes for most of the censuses carried out in
England. I don't know where you would find them in England>

<How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate
street records appear?>

Jonathan,

Am I right in thinking you are in London? If so, go to the Family Records
Centre in Myddelton Street (between Sadlers Wells Theatre and Mount Pleasant
Post Office) and on the first floor you can consult the census on microfilm
and, where available, online. They have the complete set of indexes which
will allow you to locate the correct page for a particular street very
quickly. The staff are very helpful and will show you how to use the
indexes if you have never used them before.

Beverly Bergman
Camberley UK


<Yes, there are street indexes for most of the censuses carried out in
England. I don't know where you would find them in England>

<How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate
street records appear?>