Ann

If you read my message correctly you will see that
I wrote this particular message, after having "made assumptions
on a few occasions" - because there was an article in the
English press in Israel last week which caught my eye,
in which Cemeteries and Synagogues incorrectly
facing Jerusalem >from the rest of the world was mentioned.

from S.A. it would be North East,

and depending on which part of the world you are in,
this fact is reliant on the geographic situation of each country
in proportion to Jerusalem.

I hope this solves the query to members who think I am
making unecessary assumptions >from time to time.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.

Ann

If you read my message correctly you will see that
I wrote this particular message, after having "made assumptions
on a few occasions" - because there was an article in the
English press in Israel last week which caught my eye,
in which Cemeteries and Synagogues incorrectly
facing Jerusalem >from the rest of the world was mentioned.

from S.A. it would be North East,

and depending on which part of the world you are in,
this fact is reliant on the geographic situation of each country
in proportion to Jerusalem.

I hope this solves the query to members who think I am
making unecessary assumptions >from time to time.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.

I am searching to any information on my grandmother
Hattie CONNERS (CONNORS) I have a playbill >from the
Lyric Theater in Dayton Ohio dated Nov. 30, 1910
stating coming next week M. Golden the famous producer
of dances peculiar to the land of the Czar is opening
his new production etc. (It gives a the production
story line) My grandmother Hattie Conners (she was a
singer and dancer) is pictured with Mr. M. Golden. I
also have a letter >from Aronson & Backer addressed to
Hattie stating that she should report to the Broadway
Theater for a production that will open in the 2nd
week of August 1911 she will be joining the company of
Lewis Fields etc. Yet with all my research (at the NY
Public Library of Performing Arts) I can find nothing.
I have search for M. Golden, I have searched for a
show in Aug. with Fields and have hit that brick wall.
Would appreciate any assistance in trying to locate
any infO.

Thank You
Hattie Berman-Murphy
New York City.

I am searching to any information on my grandmother
Hattie CONNERS (CONNORS) I have a playbill >from the
Lyric Theater in Dayton Ohio dated Nov. 30, 1910
stating coming next week M. Golden the famous producer
of dances peculiar to the land of the Czar is opening
his new production etc. (It gives a the production
story line) My grandmother Hattie Conners (she was a
singer and dancer) is pictured with Mr. M. Golden. I
also have a letter >from Aronson & Backer addressed to
Hattie stating that she should report to the Broadway
Theater for a production that will open in the 2nd
week of August 1911 she will be joining the company of
Lewis Fields etc. Yet with all my research (at the NY
Public Library of Performing Arts) I can find nothing.
I have search for M. Golden, I have searched for a
show in Aug. with Fields and have hit that brick wall.
Would appreciate any assistance in trying to locate
any infO.

Thank You
Hattie Berman-Murphy
New York City.

<<From: "Trevor Waner" wanertnt@shani.net >from a letter I had translated from
Yiddish >from 1934, I encountered the town or Shetel called Mepil in Lithuania.
Does anyone know of this town and can give me some reference to it.>>

A good guess would be Memil. In 1934 Memil was part of East Prussia along
the Western border of Lithuania. Today, it is Klaipeda in Lithuania. There may
be other possibilities.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com

<<From: "Trevor Waner" wanertnt@shani.net >from a letter I had translated from
Yiddish >from 1934, I encountered the town or Shetel called Mepil in Lithuania.
Does anyone know of this town and can give me some reference to it.>>

A good guess would be Memil. In 1934 Memil was part of East Prussia along
the Western border of Lithuania. Today, it is Klaipeda in Lithuania. There may
be other possibilities.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com

The many suggestions about Cornwall Road prompt me to remind members of the
wealth of information to be found in business directories. Good reference
libraries tend to have them. Local studies libraries usually have a
selection of old ones. Leading libraries & county archives will almost
certainly have a wide range. In the BL you can look at cities and at
counties - or parts of London. Some very old ones are on the web
www.historicaldirectories.org <http://www.historicaldirectories.org/>; .
These are a selection and give you a taste of what can be found in hard copy
elsewhere.

To the mid C20th at least it was very usual for small and medium sized
businesses to be listed in these directories. I have used them to locate the
whereabouts of family a century earlier.

Hazel Dakers, London UK

Researching: NORDEN (London & South Africa); HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany and
South Africa); GOLD (Zgierz and Lodz, Poland), BIRNBAUM (Zgierz and Lodz,
Poland)

The many suggestions about Cornwall Road prompt me to remind members of the
wealth of information to be found in business directories. Good reference
libraries tend to have them. Local studies libraries usually have a
selection of old ones. Leading libraries & county archives will almost
certainly have a wide range. In the BL you can look at cities and at
counties - or parts of London. Some very old ones are on the web
www.historicaldirectories.org <http://www.historicaldirectories.org/>; .
These are a selection and give you a taste of what can be found in hard copy
elsewhere.

To the mid C20th at least it was very usual for small and medium sized
businesses to be listed in these directories. I have used them to locate the
whereabouts of family a century earlier.

Hazel Dakers, London UK

Researching: NORDEN (London & South Africa); HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany and
South Africa); GOLD (Zgierz and Lodz, Poland), BIRNBAUM (Zgierz and Lodz,
Poland)

Dear all,

Margaret Fullarton wrote:

Does anyone know of a town in Lithuania called Popolan or near spelling?

Popolan (also Popelan and Popilan) is the Yiddish name of the shtetl that
was called Popelyany in Russia and formerly situated in the Shavli uyezd of
Kovno guberniya. Today it's called Papile and situated in northwestern
Lithuania, not far >from Siauliai.

That is by the was the ancestral shtetl of my Katsev and Goldberg ancestors.

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@spray.se

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Dear all,

Margaret Fullarton wrote:

Does anyone know of a town in Lithuania called Popolan or near spelling?

Popolan (also Popelan and Popilan) is the Yiddish name of the shtetl that
was called Popelyany in Russia and formerly situated in the Shavli uyezd of
Kovno guberniya. Today it's called Papile and situated in northwestern
Lithuania, not far >from Siauliai.

That is by the was the ancestral shtetl of my Katsev and Goldberg ancestors.

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@spray.se

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Dear All,
I would like to resolve two questions on my GG Grandma=92s line. She, =
Fanny
NATHAN, shows on her MC that her father was one Benjamin NATHAN (Cigar
Maker) and her Mother Rachel NATHAN born Bishopsgate, East London. =
Having
found her mother in the 1861 Census I find that Rachel was widow running =
a
coffee and chop house in Coventry Street just off Leicester Sq. On =
Fanny=92s
BC however, her father is listed as one Joseph NATHAN, Commercial =
Traveller.
They were married, that is clear >from the listing. Rachel lists her =
maiden
name as NEWTON. Having searched records back through 1837 I need some =
help
in finding out where Rachel and Joseph/Benjamin might have been married =
=96
this may help me understand firstly if Rachel=92s line was Jewish and =
secondly
if she married Joseph or Benjamin. The family lived at 3 Primrose =
Street,
Bishopsgate in 1840, the year of Fanny=92s birth.=20
=A0
Lastly I may have found Rachel=92s burial place but the date of death is
listed as 26-Adar-5683? Is this a Jewish reckoning that relates to a
different date format I might be able to check her age at death from?
=A0
Thanks for any help,
=A0
Samuel MOORE
Australia
sam_m@executivecentres.com.au

Hi

I have only just come in on this discussion. I have a copy of the London
1891 census and have just looked up the details for you.

The disc is: Disc.21. Bethnal Green, St. George and Whitechapel.
RG12/269-284.
The section you require is: R12-0281 - 18.

First of all I looked up the name Grodzinski in the name index but nothing
came up - the nearest was Grodski and they didn't live in Fieldgate Street.
I then looked up the street index and that gave the above reference.

It seems that in 1891 the numbers were 9,10,11 and not 29,30,31 but
unfortunately there was nobody by the name of Grodzinski living at these
numbers. No. 9 looked like Rosenfeld, with Bernstein as a lodger, No. 10
very difficult to read could be Buberuol with Michaels as a servant and
Greenbaum as a lodger and No. 11 was the same as No. 10.

29,30,31 only appeared in Fieldgate Street Buildings and not as separate
house entries and again not Grodzinski.

Strangely enough, in 1922, my grandfather owned the Kings Arms Public House
at 32 Fieldgate Street, but on the 1891 census it is shown as No. 16
Fieldgate Street.

Sorry not to be of help.

All the best

Rosemary Wenzerul
dandr@wenzeds.freeserve.co.uk
RESEARCHING: BARNETT, BENJAMIN, DEFRIES, GOLDSTON, MOLEN/VANDERMOLEN, MYERS,
NUNES-MARTINES/MARTIN AND WENZERUL

Dear All,
I would like to resolve two questions on my GG Grandma=92s line. She, =
Fanny
NATHAN, shows on her MC that her father was one Benjamin NATHAN (Cigar
Maker) and her Mother Rachel NATHAN born Bishopsgate, East London. =
Having
found her mother in the 1861 Census I find that Rachel was widow running =
a
coffee and chop house in Coventry Street just off Leicester Sq. On =
Fanny=92s
BC however, her father is listed as one Joseph NATHAN, Commercial =
Traveller.
They were married, that is clear >from the listing. Rachel lists her =
maiden
name as NEWTON. Having searched records back through 1837 I need some =
help
in finding out where Rachel and Joseph/Benjamin might have been married =
=96
this may help me understand firstly if Rachel=92s line was Jewish and =
secondly
if she married Joseph or Benjamin. The family lived at 3 Primrose =
Street,
Bishopsgate in 1840, the year of Fanny=92s birth.=20
=A0
Lastly I may have found Rachel=92s burial place but the date of death is
listed as 26-Adar-5683? Is this a Jewish reckoning that relates to a
different date format I might be able to check her age at death from?
=A0
Thanks for any help,
=A0
Samuel MOORE
Australia
sam_m@executivecentres.com.au

Hi

I have only just come in on this discussion. I have a copy of the London
1891 census and have just looked up the details for you.

The disc is: Disc.21. Bethnal Green, St. George and Whitechapel.
RG12/269-284.
The section you require is: R12-0281 - 18.

First of all I looked up the name Grodzinski in the name index but nothing
came up - the nearest was Grodski and they didn't live in Fieldgate Street.
I then looked up the street index and that gave the above reference.

It seems that in 1891 the numbers were 9,10,11 and not 29,30,31 but
unfortunately there was nobody by the name of Grodzinski living at these
numbers. No. 9 looked like Rosenfeld, with Bernstein as a lodger, No. 10
very difficult to read could be Buberuol with Michaels as a servant and
Greenbaum as a lodger and No. 11 was the same as No. 10.

29,30,31 only appeared in Fieldgate Street Buildings and not as separate
house entries and again not Grodzinski.

Strangely enough, in 1922, my grandfather owned the Kings Arms Public House
at 32 Fieldgate Street, but on the 1891 census it is shown as No. 16
Fieldgate Street.

Sorry not to be of help.

All the best

Rosemary Wenzerul
dandr@wenzeds.freeserve.co.uk
RESEARCHING: BARNETT, BENJAMIN, DEFRIES, GOLDSTON, MOLEN/VANDERMOLEN, MYERS,
NUNES-MARTINES/MARTIN AND WENZERUL

As a new member of this list, I thought you might be interested in
my article in Sunday's New York Times on the rise of genetic
genealogy. It touches a bit on my personal response to the recent
news to finding a DNA match with one of the recently-discovered
founding mothers of the Ashekenazi Jewish population.

http://tinyurl.com/cropj

Amy Harmon

As a new member of this list, I thought you might be interested in
my article in Sunday's New York Times on the rise of genetic
genealogy. It touches a bit on my personal response to the recent
news to finding a DNA match with one of the recently-discovered
founding mothers of the Ashekenazi Jewish population.

http://tinyurl.com/cropj

Amy Harmon

Thanks so much for the Polish phone directory. I found my grandfather's
name in it.
Thanks,
Anita Gottlieb

Hello,

Does any one has a photo of OGROWA 59 and MILA in Warshaw.

Many thanks

Please answer privately: bodkier@vedici.com


Dr Michel BODKIER
Bordeaux-France

Thanks so much for the Polish phone directory. I found my grandfather's
name in it.
Thanks,
Anita Gottlieb

Hello,

Does any one has a photo of OGROWA 59 and MILA in Warshaw.

Many thanks

Please answer privately: bodkier@vedici.com


Dr Michel BODKIER
Bordeaux-France