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JCR: 1891 Census - is there a street index? #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Jonathan,

Yes, there are street indexes for most of the censuses carried out in
England. I don't know where you would find them in England, but I
know that my local Mormon library has them all on microfiche for a
number of census years.

They list the relevant numbers plus a cross-reference to the Mormon
microfilms of the respective censuses.

I will be there later on and will try to look it up for you.

Jeremy G Frankel
Berkeley, California, USA

At 12:00 AM -0600 1/19/06, JCR-UK SIG digest wrote:
Subject: 1891 Census - is there a street index?
From: JGrodz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:25:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3

I have recently found old leases and conveyances of our family's
first bakery shop at 31 Fieldgate Street London E. which show that
the premises which I had always known as 29 31 and 33 were
originally called 9 10 and 11 and by 1897 had been renumbered.

I now wish to find the census entries for 1891. I have a
subscription to Ancestry.com, but other than knowing that the
address is in Whitechapel - St Mary, do not know where to start
looking . How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate
street records appear?


Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JCR: 1891 Census - is there a street index? #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Jonathan,

Yes, there are street indexes for most of the censuses carried out in
England. I don't know where you would find them in England, but I
know that my local Mormon library has them all on microfiche for a
number of census years.

They list the relevant numbers plus a cross-reference to the Mormon
microfilms of the respective censuses.

I will be there later on and will try to look it up for you.

Jeremy G Frankel
Berkeley, California, USA

At 12:00 AM -0600 1/19/06, JCR-UK SIG digest wrote:
Subject: 1891 Census - is there a street index?
From: JGrodz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:25:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3

I have recently found old leases and conveyances of our family's
first bakery shop at 31 Fieldgate Street London E. which show that
the premises which I had always known as 29 31 and 33 were
originally called 9 10 and 11 and by 1897 had been renumbered.

I now wish to find the census entries for 1891. I have a
subscription to Ancestry.com, but other than knowing that the
address is in Whitechapel - St Mary, do not know where to start
looking . How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate
street records appear?


Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker


Vasilkov,Ukraine. #general

Elmer Friedman <elmerf@...>
 

Can someone please advise me in which province or gubernia the town of Vasilkov,
Ukraine, is located and how contact can be made to discover a grave site in one
of the cemeteries there? Thank you.
Dr. Elmer Friedman
elmerf@iopener.net

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vasilkov,Ukraine. #general

Elmer Friedman <elmerf@...>
 

Can someone please advise me in which province or gubernia the town of Vasilkov,
Ukraine, is located and how contact can be made to discover a grave site in one
of the cemeteries there? Thank you.
Dr. Elmer Friedman
elmerf@iopener.net

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Ukraine-SIG and to post your message to the Ukraine-SIG discussion group.
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Seeking Death Date And Obit On Aaron Friedman-NY-Brooklyn #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello to all

I seek help in finding any information on this ancestor of mine. I am
seeking to find the death date for Aaron FRIEDMAN and possibly an obit.
I believe he died after 1966, because he is in photos of my uncles
barmitzvah and that was in 1966. He and his wife Rose(faikes)Friedman
lived in Brooklyn since the 1930's as far as I am aware. They did have
a business they operated for several years, but I am not sure if it was
a restaurant or store that sold all types of products. Quite possibly
it was a hat store or furniture store.

As far as I am aware they only had one child named Esther, who may
possibly still be living in new york, but I do not know her married
name. I believe the wife Rose(my great-aunt) died in 2000 in a home. I
believe he came >from Poland. I am not sure of his birth year but I
believe he was only one or two years younger then his wife rose and she
was born in 1903.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Death Date And Obit On Aaron Friedman-NY-Brooklyn #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello to all

I seek help in finding any information on this ancestor of mine. I am
seeking to find the death date for Aaron FRIEDMAN and possibly an obit.
I believe he died after 1966, because he is in photos of my uncles
barmitzvah and that was in 1966. He and his wife Rose(faikes)Friedman
lived in Brooklyn since the 1930's as far as I am aware. They did have
a business they operated for several years, but I am not sure if it was
a restaurant or store that sold all types of products. Quite possibly
it was a hat store or furniture store.

As far as I am aware they only had one child named Esther, who may
possibly still be living in new york, but I do not know her married
name. I believe the wife Rose(my great-aunt) died in 2000 in a home. I
believe he came >from Poland. I am not sure of his birth year but I
believe he was only one or two years younger then his wife rose and she
was born in 1903.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Re: Jewish death notices in the early 20th century #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

In the January 19,2006 JewishGen Digest, Pat Weinthal of Boston, MA
wrote:

<<There appears to be a mis-understanding about the purpose of
published death notices. In the U.S., this is a legal requirement
as claims on property, inheritance, and debt will need to be resolved.>>
From: < AGloger@aol.com >
I am puzzled by this statement as I have *never* heard of or been informed
that publication of a death was "a legal requirement" in the United States. Is
this a requirement in Massachusetts or throughout the US? I would be most
appreciative if Pat Weinthat could clarify this.

My personal experience has been that paid death notices did not become
common-place and published in daily and weekly newspapers until the early to
mid-1930s. My grandfather died in 1929 and an uncle died in 1930, and there
as no paid death notice or obituary in either the daily newspapers or the Jewish
weeklys. Ditto for my greatgrandmother who died in 1913.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
There seems to be confusion with the terminology here - I think the oiginal
message >from Pat is referring to the legal notices section of the paper. This
is where notices are posted concerning probate hearings or other legal matters
where the parties are required by law to notify anyone who might have an interest
in the case, and would want to be heard by the court. The law requires a public
notice to be sure all interested parties who may be unknown to the lawyers/
courts will have an opportunity to participate.

The rest of us who were confused by her message are referring to the obituaries/
death listings/death announcements that appear in all newspapers. They might
range >from a name and date of death to a long bio naming all the family members
and life accomplishments of the deceased. They can be paid or free, depending
on the newspapers' policies.
There is no legal requirement to place these kinds of notices. Most people place a
notice or an obituary to notify the public so that friends and family may
attend the services, and to memorialize the deceased person in some way.

In the old days, and in some parts of the US today, deaths are considered news,
and are listed by the paper for free. Today, many city newspapers across the
country have started to charge large sums to place the longer style obituaries,
so I think we will see less of them.

No one should overlook trying to find an obituary or notice of death in any of the
newspapers in the area where the person lived.

Lisa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish death notices in the early 20th century #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

In the January 19,2006 JewishGen Digest, Pat Weinthal of Boston, MA
wrote:

<<There appears to be a mis-understanding about the purpose of
published death notices. In the U.S., this is a legal requirement
as claims on property, inheritance, and debt will need to be resolved.>>
From: < AGloger@aol.com >
I am puzzled by this statement as I have *never* heard of or been informed
that publication of a death was "a legal requirement" in the United States. Is
this a requirement in Massachusetts or throughout the US? I would be most
appreciative if Pat Weinthat could clarify this.

My personal experience has been that paid death notices did not become
common-place and published in daily and weekly newspapers until the early to
mid-1930s. My grandfather died in 1929 and an uncle died in 1930, and there
as no paid death notice or obituary in either the daily newspapers or the Jewish
weeklys. Ditto for my greatgrandmother who died in 1913.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
There seems to be confusion with the terminology here - I think the oiginal
message >from Pat is referring to the legal notices section of the paper. This
is where notices are posted concerning probate hearings or other legal matters
where the parties are required by law to notify anyone who might have an interest
in the case, and would want to be heard by the court. The law requires a public
notice to be sure all interested parties who may be unknown to the lawyers/
courts will have an opportunity to participate.

The rest of us who were confused by her message are referring to the obituaries/
death listings/death announcements that appear in all newspapers. They might
range >from a name and date of death to a long bio naming all the family members
and life accomplishments of the deceased. They can be paid or free, depending
on the newspapers' policies.
There is no legal requirement to place these kinds of notices. Most people place a
notice or an obituary to notify the public so that friends and family may
attend the services, and to memorialize the deceased person in some way.

In the old days, and in some parts of the US today, deaths are considered news,
and are listed by the paper for free. Today, many city newspapers across the
country have started to charge large sums to place the longer style obituaries,
so I think we will see less of them.

No one should overlook trying to find an obituary or notice of death in any of the
newspapers in the area where the person lived.

Lisa


Re: Jewish death notices in the early 20th century #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

In regards to newspapers publishing death notices, I would add to
Anita's response that the Los Angeles Times publishes only a very few
death notices of any sort; certainly not all that would die in that
great region each day. Sadly for genealogists, they see no benefit
to listing the daily deaths.

On the other hand, I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and the Atlanta
Journal-Constitution publicly announces that it strives to list
everyone who has just died, and that a simple death notice costs
nothing. It promotes this as a community service. One can, of
course, purchase a larger listing and add details, photos, etc.

I also checked the Atlanta Business Chronicle, and it apparently
lists no notices related to deaths, probate, etc.

So, if there's a "legal requirement", it's not federal, and not in
California or Georgia . . .

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 08:31 PM 1/20/2006, you wrote:
There appears to be a mis-understanding about the purpose of
published death notices. In the U.S., this is a legal requirement
as claims on property, inheritance, and debt will need to be resolved.

Local law determines in which newspapers the names of the deceased
must appear.

This response has caught my attention because I was not aware of
this requirement. Do legal entanglements have to exist prior to the
death or is this just a matter of course. I ask because I never
published nor seen published announcements of my parents, uncles,
aunts, grandparents, etc. deaths. Am I misunderstanding this?

Thanks.

Regards,
Anita Citron


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jewish death notices in the early 20th century #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

In regards to newspapers publishing death notices, I would add to
Anita's response that the Los Angeles Times publishes only a very few
death notices of any sort; certainly not all that would die in that
great region each day. Sadly for genealogists, they see no benefit
to listing the daily deaths.

On the other hand, I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and the Atlanta
Journal-Constitution publicly announces that it strives to list
everyone who has just died, and that a simple death notice costs
nothing. It promotes this as a community service. One can, of
course, purchase a larger listing and add details, photos, etc.

I also checked the Atlanta Business Chronicle, and it apparently
lists no notices related to deaths, probate, etc.

So, if there's a "legal requirement", it's not federal, and not in
California or Georgia . . .

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 08:31 PM 1/20/2006, you wrote:
There appears to be a mis-understanding about the purpose of
published death notices. In the U.S., this is a legal requirement
as claims on property, inheritance, and debt will need to be resolved.

Local law determines in which newspapers the names of the deceased
must appear.

This response has caught my attention because I was not aware of
this requirement. Do legal entanglements have to exist prior to the
death or is this just a matter of course. I ask because I never
published nor seen published announcements of my parents, uncles,
aunts, grandparents, etc. deaths. Am I misunderstanding this?

Thanks.

Regards,
Anita Citron


Pipik/pupik, thanks to all who responded! #general

krippens <krippens@...>
 

A pipik or a pupik - depending on where you're >from - is a belly button.
This completes and explains the memory of a finger coming at mine while
the word was being said! Someone called it a chicken's belly button! Do
chickens really have belly buttons? Well, if they have lips, they must
have belly buttons. :-)

Thanks for the laughs everyone.

Karen Jo Rippens


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pipik/pupik, thanks to all who responded! #general

krippens <krippens@...>
 

A pipik or a pupik - depending on where you're >from - is a belly button.
This completes and explains the memory of a finger coming at mine while
the word was being said! Someone called it a chicken's belly button! Do
chickens really have belly buttons? Well, if they have lips, they must
have belly buttons. :-)

Thanks for the laughs everyone.

Karen Jo Rippens


Re: Pipik? #general

Joseph Hirschfield
 

Pipik refers to a belly-button (navel). In colloquial Hebrew it has come to
describe a very close relationship between two people.

Joe Hirschfield
Portage, MI

HIRSCHFELD, LINDENBAUM, BUCHSBAUM- Skwarzawa, Selets (Sielec Bienkow),
Glinyany GALICIA
MINOWITSKI, TOBIASZ- Brest-Litovsk, Wysokae-Litovsk, Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pipik? #general

Joseph Hirschfield
 

Pipik refers to a belly-button (navel). In colloquial Hebrew it has come to
describe a very close relationship between two people.

Joe Hirschfield
Portage, MI

HIRSCHFELD, LINDENBAUM, BUCHSBAUM- Skwarzawa, Selets (Sielec Bienkow),
Glinyany GALICIA
MINOWITSKI, TOBIASZ- Brest-Litovsk, Wysokae-Litovsk, Belarus


Re: Pipik? #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <sdh2381@...>
 

Pipik was the bellybutton and I was told stories about Moishe Pipik and his
friend Chaim Yonkel. I now tell stories to my grandchildren about them. I
assume the stories were made up by whoever told them.
Don Hirshhorn
Boca Raton,Fl

Hello everyone,

Something triggered a childhood memory of the word pipik. I vaguely
remember jokes about Moishe Pipik, as in 'who do you think you are, Moishe
Pipik?'

I can't find the word in any Yiddish resource I have. Can anyone tell me
what 'pipik' means? Or where it came from, or what the joke about it is?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pipik? #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <sdh2381@...>
 

Pipik was the bellybutton and I was told stories about Moishe Pipik and his
friend Chaim Yonkel. I now tell stories to my grandchildren about them. I
assume the stories were made up by whoever told them.
Don Hirshhorn
Boca Raton,Fl

Hello everyone,

Something triggered a childhood memory of the word pipik. I vaguely
remember jokes about Moishe Pipik, as in 'who do you think you are, Moishe
Pipik?'

I can't find the word in any Yiddish resource I have. Can anyone tell me
what 'pipik' means? Or where it came from, or what the joke about it is?


Re: Pipik? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/21/2006 3:22:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
krippens@earthlink.net writes:

Something triggered a childhood memory of the word pipik. I vaguely
remember jokes about Moishe Pipik, as in 'who do you think you are,
Moishe Pipik?'>>

I can't find the word in any Yiddish resource I have. Can anyone tell me
what 'pipik' means? Or where it came from, or what the joke about it is?

==Pupik is Yiddish for umbilicus (navel, belybutton). In many areas, the U
is pronounced I.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Pipik? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:19:42 UTC, clamp@dsl.pipex.com.cut.invalid
(Sue) opined:

In article < 43D127CE.6020802@earthlink.net >,
krippens < krippens@earthlink.net > wrote:

Something triggered a childhood memory of the word pipik. I vaguely
remember jokes about Moishe Pipik, as in 'who do you think you are,
Moishe Pipik?'
I can't find the word in any Yiddish resource I have. Can anyone tell me
what 'pipik' means? Or where it came from, or what the joke about it is?
Pipik means bellybutton. I remember it well >from my own childhood.
Of Moishe Pipik, I know nothing. Having just tried Google, he comes up
with reference to Philip Roth's novel, 'Operation Shylock', but Moishe
must go back much further than that!
No, "pupik" does not mean "bellybutton" (aka "navel" ); it means
"gizzard", an organ found in poultry and other birds. Literary proof
of this physiological fact can be found in one of the monologues of
the Jewish comic Willy Howard (you have to remember the 1930s to know
about this), in which he offered to teach "Yiddish, in six easy
lessons, or three hard ones". Those who responded quickly to the offer
were to receive a promotional bonus consisting of his book "How To
Clean A Chicken Without Losing the Pupik" -- obviously not a
bellybutton, since birds don't have them.

Children sometimes call their navel a pupik, because they don't know
what the gizzard is when they see it on the plate, and imagine it to
be a navel.

The variant spelling "pipik" is a result of a Yiddish tendency to
corrupt even itself. You will probably find a reference if you look it
up as "pupik" in the Yiddish resources to which you have access.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pipik? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/21/2006 3:22:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
krippens@earthlink.net writes:

Something triggered a childhood memory of the word pipik. I vaguely
remember jokes about Moishe Pipik, as in 'who do you think you are,
Moishe Pipik?'>>

I can't find the word in any Yiddish resource I have. Can anyone tell me
what 'pipik' means? Or where it came from, or what the joke about it is?

==Pupik is Yiddish for umbilicus (navel, belybutton). In many areas, the U
is pronounced I.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pipik? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:19:42 UTC, clamp@dsl.pipex.com.cut.invalid
(Sue) opined:

In article < 43D127CE.6020802@earthlink.net >,
krippens < krippens@earthlink.net > wrote:

Something triggered a childhood memory of the word pipik. I vaguely
remember jokes about Moishe Pipik, as in 'who do you think you are,
Moishe Pipik?'
I can't find the word in any Yiddish resource I have. Can anyone tell me
what 'pipik' means? Or where it came from, or what the joke about it is?
Pipik means bellybutton. I remember it well >from my own childhood.
Of Moishe Pipik, I know nothing. Having just tried Google, he comes up
with reference to Philip Roth's novel, 'Operation Shylock', but Moishe
must go back much further than that!
No, "pupik" does not mean "bellybutton" (aka "navel" ); it means
"gizzard", an organ found in poultry and other birds. Literary proof
of this physiological fact can be found in one of the monologues of
the Jewish comic Willy Howard (you have to remember the 1930s to know
about this), in which he offered to teach "Yiddish, in six easy
lessons, or three hard ones". Those who responded quickly to the offer
were to receive a promotional bonus consisting of his book "How To
Clean A Chicken Without Losing the Pupik" -- obviously not a
bellybutton, since birds don't have them.

Children sometimes call their navel a pupik, because they don't know
what the gizzard is when they see it on the plate, and imagine it to
be a navel.

The variant spelling "pipik" is a result of a Yiddish tendency to
corrupt even itself. You will probably find a reference if you look it
up as "pupik" in the Yiddish resources to which you have access.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

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