! Dear Genners

Looking for HESSEL (Hesel, Gesel) and BLEIBERG

from Ukariane and/or Poland

If anyone has them in his family-tree, please send
me the details - and I shall be glad to exchange
information.

Thanks -

Anita.

Thanks to all Jewishgenners who took the time to translate my German
genealogy documents. This is a great Community.

Reuben Gross
Teaneck, NJ

! Dear Genners

Looking for HESSEL (Hesel, Gesel) and BLEIBERG

from Ukariane and/or Poland

If anyone has them in his family-tree, please send
me the details - and I shall be glad to exchange
information.

Thanks -

Anita.

Thanks to all Jewishgenners who took the time to translate my German
genealogy documents. This is a great Community.

Reuben Gross
Teaneck, NJ

Hi Tom,

I've had the same problem. With a name as unusual as Flamholtz, I can be
sure that everyone who has this name is somehow related to our family.
Usually, they will all be found within a 40 mile or so radius of the small
shtetl of Glowno, Poland. I've managed to link most of the family to a
couple, born in the mid-1700s, who lived there. I have a couple of branches
that I have marked as "unproven" in my software program as I'm pretty sure
they are the sons of this couple, but haven't found a paper trail yet.

I do, occasionally, come across records of Flamholtzes that I can't match
up with a family. This is particularly true with the new databases that come
on line such as the Yad Vashem records or perhaps entries found in the Ellis
Island site. I used to just make notes of these and file them away rather than
putting them into the genealogical software program (I use Reunion). However,
they tend to get lost that way and they aren't immediately available. I now
enter them as unlinked in the program. As more information comes in I can pull
up all the unlinked individuals and review what I have on them. I have managed
this way to link a number of these records with branches of the family and I'm
not sure I would have been able to do that if I hadn't had them entered in the
software program. I'm very scrupulous in adding source details which can really
help when you do get that break that links up the families.

It's been so successful for me that I urge you to go ahead and enter them.

Hope this helps,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA

Dear Jewish Genners:

I recently posted information about legislation that would prevent access to
vital records in New Hampshire HB 1382 and New Jersey AB 1390.
This is an informational update on New Jersey AB 1390. New
Jersey AB 1390 removes vital records (birth, marriage, domestic partnership,
death and fetal death records) >from the definition of public records,
thereby making access to such records very difficult, if not impossible.
Another bill provision which we did not previously address, as we were
focusing on the removal of vital records >from public records, has a
different but similarly chilling impact on genealogists. The bill as
currently drafted would also prevent anyone including genealogists from
sharing, selling, reproducing or disclosing the information contained in the
vital record. If enacted, this means genealogists could not share
information obtained >from the vital records with relatives or other
genealogists The penalties for violating this provision is a crime and
would prevent the person/genealogist >from applying for vital records in the
future. We are currently addressing this provision with the sponsors.

The bill was heard January 26 in the Assembly Homeland Security and State
Preparedness Committee where it passed out affirmatively without amendments
enabling genealogical copies of vital records to be continued. Currently,
New Jersey's Department of Health and Senior Services does permit
genealogical copies of vital records after specified time periods: 80 years
after birth, 50 years after marriage and 40 years after death. The bill next
goes to the floor of the Assembly, the earliest date it can be heard is
February 9th. It can be amended on the floor during its second reading. You
can access more information on the bill on the IAJGS website, www.IAJGS.org,
go to the center of the page and double click on the icon of the newspaper
boy holding the newspaper with "extra" saying the newest edition of the
ECHO.

If you have any questions about these bills, please feel free to contact me.
jan@IAJGS.org

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS director and Public Records Access and Monitoring Committee
Chairperson

Hi Tom,

I've had the same problem. With a name as unusual as Flamholtz, I can be
sure that everyone who has this name is somehow related to our family.
Usually, they will all be found within a 40 mile or so radius of the small
shtetl of Glowno, Poland. I've managed to link most of the family to a
couple, born in the mid-1700s, who lived there. I have a couple of branches
that I have marked as "unproven" in my software program as I'm pretty sure
they are the sons of this couple, but haven't found a paper trail yet.

I do, occasionally, come across records of Flamholtzes that I can't match
up with a family. This is particularly true with the new databases that come
on line such as the Yad Vashem records or perhaps entries found in the Ellis
Island site. I used to just make notes of these and file them away rather than
putting them into the genealogical software program (I use Reunion). However,
they tend to get lost that way and they aren't immediately available. I now
enter them as unlinked in the program. As more information comes in I can pull
up all the unlinked individuals and review what I have on them. I have managed
this way to link a number of these records with branches of the family and I'm
not sure I would have been able to do that if I hadn't had them entered in the
software program. I'm very scrupulous in adding source details which can really
help when you do get that break that links up the families.

It's been so successful for me that I urge you to go ahead and enter them.

Hope this helps,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA

Dear Jewish Genners:

I recently posted information about legislation that would prevent access to
vital records in New Hampshire HB 1382 and New Jersey AB 1390.
This is an informational update on New Jersey AB 1390. New
Jersey AB 1390 removes vital records (birth, marriage, domestic partnership,
death and fetal death records) >from the definition of public records,
thereby making access to such records very difficult, if not impossible.
Another bill provision which we did not previously address, as we were
focusing on the removal of vital records >from public records, has a
different but similarly chilling impact on genealogists. The bill as
currently drafted would also prevent anyone including genealogists from
sharing, selling, reproducing or disclosing the information contained in the
vital record. If enacted, this means genealogists could not share
information obtained >from the vital records with relatives or other
genealogists The penalties for violating this provision is a crime and
would prevent the person/genealogist >from applying for vital records in the
future. We are currently addressing this provision with the sponsors.

The bill was heard January 26 in the Assembly Homeland Security and State
Preparedness Committee where it passed out affirmatively without amendments
enabling genealogical copies of vital records to be continued. Currently,
New Jersey's Department of Health and Senior Services does permit
genealogical copies of vital records after specified time periods: 80 years
after birth, 50 years after marriage and 40 years after death. The bill next
goes to the floor of the Assembly, the earliest date it can be heard is
February 9th. It can be amended on the floor during its second reading. You
can access more information on the bill on the IAJGS website, www.IAJGS.org,
go to the center of the page and double click on the icon of the newspaper
boy holding the newspaper with "extra" saying the newest edition of the
ECHO.

If you have any questions about these bills, please feel free to contact me.
jan@IAJGS.org

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS director and Public Records Access and Monitoring Committee
Chairperson

It was reported today in the on-line version of the
Jewish Week that the Center for Jewish History - which
houses the YIVO Institute, the American Jewish
Historical Society, the Yeshiva University Museum, the
Leo Baeck Institute and the American Sephardi
Federation - is having financial problems.

As an unparalled source for Jewish reseach documents,
this article may be of interest to members of the
discussion group. It can be found at:
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=12004

I have no commercial interest in the web-site and have
posted this information to the group because of our
direct utilization of many of the works housed there.

Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA

It was reported today in the on-line version of the
Jewish Week that the Center for Jewish History - which
houses the YIVO Institute, the American Jewish
Historical Society, the Yeshiva University Museum, the
Leo Baeck Institute and the American Sephardi
Federation - is having financial problems.

As an unparalled source for Jewish reseach documents,
this article may be of interest to members of the
discussion group. It can be found at:
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=12004

I have no commercial interest in the web-site and have
posted this information to the group because of our
direct utilization of many of the works housed there.

Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA

There has always been a belief among the Jews that if they are lucky,
they would give birth to a Mashiach - and he has to be >from the House
of David. There is a tradition that Rashi was - and that is why
every Jew wants to be descendent >from Rashi. This was particularly
so in the 1500 - 1800, but none of it is based on any available proof
or documentation whatever it says on a tombstone.

Look at the late Hans Guenther REISSNER's notes: on our family's
claim to that illustrious descent:

RASHI - Rashi and Maharshal started Yichus letters, passing them down

from father to son. Prof H G Reissner looked into his own family

tree in the 1930's without the help of these letters, the last of
which was burnt in 1900. See the appendix of Anton Lourie's book "Die
Familie Lourie (Louria) Vienna 1923). It cannot be ascertained which
of Rashi's three daughters was our ancestor, as the family tree of
the Maharshal started only about 9 generations later.

Asher Ben-Zev 1.700 :-
Rashi had three sons in Law:
1. Meir Ninio 12909, Tiberias, son of Jacob Sh'altiel 10328
2. Juda bar Nathan Hariben 7036 -> Yomtov Pliza 7932 -> Josef 8028
3. Efraim
It is not known which of them was the husband of which of Rashi's daughters.

Rashi left no sons. Of his three daughters the eldest - Yohebed -
spent the years of her marriage in rural Ramerupt in the Aube valley
north-east of Troyes (which incidentally has 350 inhabitants
nowadays). Her elder son Samuel (1080-1160_ owned a herd of cattle
while he resided at Ramerupt. A younger son Jacob (1100-1171) first
in Ramerupt, later on in Troyes, held vineyards and was engaged in
money-lending and tax farming. A third son, Solomon, took residence
in Dampierre in the Albe valley (with 350 inhabitants at present). A
daughter Miriam moved to Dampierre on her marriage to a husband who
hailed >from Vitry-lo-Brule (750 inhabitants as of now).

Rashi's second daughter - Rachel - was married to one
Eliezer. As their nephew, the above mentioned Jacob, related they
went by the names Jocelin and Belle Asses in their dealings with
Gentiles, presumably financial or commercial business.
Rashi's third daughter - Miriam - married one Yehuda ben
Nathan, a Talmudic scholar of repute; circumstances of his
livelihood are not recorded.

So, in conclusion, I feel strongly that it is wrong to make a claim
of this nature as you are doing.

David Lewin
London

There has always been a belief among the Jews that if they are lucky,
they would give birth to a Mashiach - and he has to be >from the House
of David. There is a tradition that Rashi was - and that is why
every Jew wants to be descendent >from Rashi. This was particularly
so in the 1500 - 1800, but none of it is based on any available proof
or documentation whatever it says on a tombstone.

Look at the late Hans Guenther REISSNER's notes: on our family's
claim to that illustrious descent:

RASHI - Rashi and Maharshal started Yichus letters, passing them down

from father to son. Prof H G Reissner looked into his own family

tree in the 1930's without the help of these letters, the last of
which was burnt in 1900. See the appendix of Anton Lourie's book "Die
Familie Lourie (Louria) Vienna 1923). It cannot be ascertained which
of Rashi's three daughters was our ancestor, as the family tree of
the Maharshal started only about 9 generations later.

Asher Ben-Zev 1.700 :-
Rashi had three sons in Law:
1. Meir Ninio 12909, Tiberias, son of Jacob Sh'altiel 10328
2. Juda bar Nathan Hariben 7036 -> Yomtov Pliza 7932 -> Josef 8028
3. Efraim
It is not known which of them was the husband of which of Rashi's daughters.

Rashi left no sons. Of his three daughters the eldest - Yohebed -
spent the years of her marriage in rural Ramerupt in the Aube valley
north-east of Troyes (which incidentally has 350 inhabitants
nowadays). Her elder son Samuel (1080-1160_ owned a herd of cattle
while he resided at Ramerupt. A younger son Jacob (1100-1171) first
in Ramerupt, later on in Troyes, held vineyards and was engaged in
money-lending and tax farming. A third son, Solomon, took residence
in Dampierre in the Albe valley (with 350 inhabitants at present). A
daughter Miriam moved to Dampierre on her marriage to a husband who
hailed >from Vitry-lo-Brule (750 inhabitants as of now).

Rashi's second daughter - Rachel - was married to one
Eliezer. As their nephew, the above mentioned Jacob, related they
went by the names Jocelin and Belle Asses in their dealings with
Gentiles, presumably financial or commercial business.
Rashi's third daughter - Miriam - married one Yehuda ben
Nathan, a Talmudic scholar of repute; circumstances of his
livelihood are not recorded.

So, in conclusion, I feel strongly that it is wrong to make a claim
of this nature as you are doing.

David Lewin
London

Dear Members

I recently carried out a survey on the JGSGB list as to who is able to =
view
the British pound symbol =A3 and any other unusual characters when the
messages come through having been moderated.

It would appear limited to those who take their messages in the daily =
digest
form. All the others can see it perfectly.

I am in correspondence with JewishGen about this matter.

I apologise to those of you who take the digest. For the time being you
will see unusual characters instead of the normal sign and you will see =
an
equal sign at the end of the row.

If this disturbs you perhaps it would be better to change to normal =
receipt
until such time as this problem is resolved.

Louise Messik
Lead Moderator

=20

Dear Members

I recently carried out a survey on the JGSGB list as to who is able to =
view
the British pound symbol =A3 and any other unusual characters when the
messages come through having been moderated.

It would appear limited to those who take their messages in the daily =
digest
form. All the others can see it perfectly.

I am in correspondence with JewishGen about this matter.

I apologise to those of you who take the digest. For the time being you
will see unusual characters instead of the normal sign and you will see =
an
equal sign at the end of the row.

If this disturbs you perhaps it would be better to change to normal =
receipt
until such time as this problem is resolved.

Louise Messik
Lead Moderator

=20

I have seen a reference that in the year of 1626, the Jewish Community sent 1460
Lithuanian groshes (coins) to the government.
Can anyone tell me if this was a little or a lot of money in 1626?

Lee Nydell
Irvine, California, United States
lnydell@yahoo.com
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland

Lee Nydell wrote;

Trying to locate a Khaim BERG, who lives in Israel and is a Shoah survivor.
On May 27, 1999 he submitted information to Yad Vashem about members
of his family....
The Yad Vashem reports include addresses of the submitters. By
clicking on the left you could see the original scanned report. Khaim
Berg must be a new immigrant >from Russia to Israel. The report (
including his address near the bottom with numbers) is in Russian.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles

I have seen a reference that in the year of 1626, the Jewish Community sent 1460
Lithuanian groshes (coins) to the government.
Can anyone tell me if this was a little or a lot of money in 1626?

Lee Nydell
Irvine, California, United States
lnydell@yahoo.com
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland

Lee Nydell wrote;

Trying to locate a Khaim BERG, who lives in Israel and is a Shoah survivor.
On May 27, 1999 he submitted information to Yad Vashem about members
of his family....
The Yad Vashem reports include addresses of the submitters. By
clicking on the left you could see the original scanned report. Khaim
Berg must be a new immigrant >from Russia to Israel. The report (
including his address near the bottom with numbers) is in Russian.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles

Hi,

For those who trace their roots in Iasi:

1. The Romanian publication: "Studia et Acta Historiae Iudaeorum
Romaniae", vol. 1, Stela Mrie, Imporana Catagrafiei[Moderator Note: signs
for diacritics removed] din anii 1824-1825, p. 51-138.
The article discuss a financial census performed in year 1824-1825 in
Moldova of the suditi - jews under foreign protection. The whole census
is at the Iasi Archives.
But - at the end of the article, there is a long list of hundreds of
names of family heads.

2. Another Romanian publication: "Izvoare si marturii referitoare la
evreii din Romania". Among the thousands of pages (3 volumes, in two
parts each). Vol 3 deals with the 19th century, you may find tables of
names, especially >from Iasi. I also found a table of names >from
Stefanesti, but since all of them are given names only it does not seem
too useful to me.

You may find the books in a good university library. And for no. 1 - You
do not need exactly to know Romanian, an online dictionary will be
enough.

Regards,
Sorin Goldenberg,
Israel
MODERATOR NOTE: Our system cannot "read" diacritical markers such as umlauts, etc..
Please do not use them in future correspondence.

Hi,

For those who trace their roots in Iasi:

1. The Romanian publication: "Studia et Acta Historiae Iudaeorum
Romaniae", vol. 1, Stela Mrie, Imporana Catagrafiei[Moderator Note: signs
for diacritics removed] din anii 1824-1825, p. 51-138.
The article discuss a financial census performed in year 1824-1825 in
Moldova of the suditi - jews under foreign protection. The whole census
is at the Iasi Archives.
But - at the end of the article, there is a long list of hundreds of
names of family heads.

2. Another Romanian publication: "Izvoare si marturii referitoare la
evreii din Romania". Among the thousands of pages (3 volumes, in two
parts each). Vol 3 deals with the 19th century, you may find tables of
names, especially >from Iasi. I also found a table of names >from
Stefanesti, but since all of them are given names only it does not seem
too useful to me.

You may find the books in a good university library. And for no. 1 - You
do not need exactly to know Romanian, an online dictionary will be
enough.

Regards,
Sorin Goldenberg,
Israel
MODERATOR NOTE: Our system cannot "read" diacritical markers such as umlauts, etc..
Please do not use them in future correspondence.