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New info on HOFFER/KOESIS/DOBRONSKI, further help needed in finding #general

Michele <michelerenee217@...>
 

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great grandparents:
GGF -John HOFFER (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet KOCSIS (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old.

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven.

Cousins are: DOBRONSKI/DUMBROSKIE and it is possible that one may be
still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian
Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on
them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family
lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to
Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However,
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to
Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage
especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the
religion onto their children and so on.

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son)
who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of
my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates,
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can
make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I
will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my
GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If
so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet KOESIS. Can anyone
assist me in making connection between them?

Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21,
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest
they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records,
locations, or Hungarian Census Information?

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15,
2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line:
Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am
unable to respond to him.

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FhC.2ACE/3789.1

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA
michelerenee217@suscom.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The website given notes that "this message has
been deleted."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New info on HOFFER/KOESIS/DOBRONSKI, further help needed in finding #general

Michele <michelerenee217@...>
 

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great grandparents:
GGF -John HOFFER (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet KOCSIS (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old.

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven.

Cousins are: DOBRONSKI/DUMBROSKIE and it is possible that one may be
still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian
Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on
them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family
lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to
Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However,
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to
Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage
especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the
religion onto their children and so on.

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son)
who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of
my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates,
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can
make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I
will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my
GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If
so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet KOESIS. Can anyone
assist me in making connection between them?

Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21,
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest
they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records,
locations, or Hungarian Census Information?

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15,
2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line:
Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am
unable to respond to him.

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FhC.2ACE/3789.1

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA
michelerenee217@suscom.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The website given notes that "this message has
been deleted."


Re: Search for my bio father. #austria-czech

Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
 

Rudolph Kies wrote about his great wish to find out more about his
biological father Bedrich JAEGER (born 26 July 1894 - died 8 September 1942,
Maly Trostinec) and/or Bedrich's family.

I can only offer a little information, with no idea as to how it may fit in.
I do hope it may turn out to be useful.

JAEGER is not a very common name. Indeed, in the published list(1)of people
deported to the Terezin concentration camp, >from Bohemia and Moravia, it
occurs only 11 times.

Under the circumstances I think it is more than likely that some of these
JAEGERs were related to each other and/or to Rudolf's bio father.

The 11 names listed (which include Rudolf's father) are as follows:

Oskar JAEGER
Born: 30.11.1896
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport Ek Terezin to Auschwitz 28 September 1944
Died. Dachau 17 January 1945

Katuse JAEGEROVA
Born: 24.07.1906
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport En Terezin to Auschwitz 4 October 1944

Petr JAEGER
Born: 11.04.1937
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport En Terezin to Auschwitz 4 October 1944

Stepan JAEGER
Born: 08.07.1934
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport En Terezin to Auschwitz 4 October 1944

Karolina JAEGEROVA
Born: 26.03. 1866
Transport AAr 16 July 1942
Transport Bw 19 October 1942 Treblinka

Elsa JAEGEROVA
Born: 06.04.1886
Transport AAt Praha to Terezin. 23 July 1942
Survived

Marta JAEGEROVA
Born: 18.06.1887
Transport AAt Praha to Terezin. 23 July 1942
Transport AAz Terezin to Maly Trostenic. 4 August 1942


Hilda JAEGEROVA
Born: 12.08.1891
Transport Bf Praha to Terezin. 8 September 1942
Transport Bu 8 October 1942 Treblinka

Ottilie JAEGEROVA
Born: 20.6.1916
Transport Bf Praha to Terezin. 8 September 1942
Survived

Bedrich JAEGER
Born: 26.07.1894
Transport Bd Praha to Terezin. 4 September 1942
Transport Bk Terezin to Maly Trostenic 8 September 1942


Rudolf JAEGER
Born: 21.01.1905
Transport AE2 Praha to Terezin. 4 February 1945
(This was one of the transports for half Jews or Jewish partners of mixed
marriages)
Survived


from the ages of the individuals and the date of the transports, I would
think it is likely that Oskar was married to Katuse and that their sons were
Petr and Stepan. I also think it probable that Elsa and Marta were sisters
and that Hilda and Ottilie were mother and daughter.

With best wishes

Ruth Coman
London, England


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Search for my bio father. #austria-czech

Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
 

Rudolph Kies wrote about his great wish to find out more about his
biological father Bedrich JAEGER (born 26 July 1894 - died 8 September 1942,
Maly Trostinec) and/or Bedrich's family.

I can only offer a little information, with no idea as to how it may fit in.
I do hope it may turn out to be useful.

JAEGER is not a very common name. Indeed, in the published list(1)of people
deported to the Terezin concentration camp, >from Bohemia and Moravia, it
occurs only 11 times.

Under the circumstances I think it is more than likely that some of these
JAEGERs were related to each other and/or to Rudolf's bio father.

The 11 names listed (which include Rudolf's father) are as follows:

Oskar JAEGER
Born: 30.11.1896
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport Ek Terezin to Auschwitz 28 September 1944
Died. Dachau 17 January 1945

Katuse JAEGEROVA
Born: 24.07.1906
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport En Terezin to Auschwitz 4 October 1944

Petr JAEGER
Born: 11.04.1937
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport En Terezin to Auschwitz 4 October 1944

Stepan JAEGER
Born: 08.07.1934
Transport AAl Praha to Terezin. 2 July 1942
Transport En Terezin to Auschwitz 4 October 1944

Karolina JAEGEROVA
Born: 26.03. 1866
Transport AAr 16 July 1942
Transport Bw 19 October 1942 Treblinka

Elsa JAEGEROVA
Born: 06.04.1886
Transport AAt Praha to Terezin. 23 July 1942
Survived

Marta JAEGEROVA
Born: 18.06.1887
Transport AAt Praha to Terezin. 23 July 1942
Transport AAz Terezin to Maly Trostenic. 4 August 1942


Hilda JAEGEROVA
Born: 12.08.1891
Transport Bf Praha to Terezin. 8 September 1942
Transport Bu 8 October 1942 Treblinka

Ottilie JAEGEROVA
Born: 20.6.1916
Transport Bf Praha to Terezin. 8 September 1942
Survived

Bedrich JAEGER
Born: 26.07.1894
Transport Bd Praha to Terezin. 4 September 1942
Transport Bk Terezin to Maly Trostenic 8 September 1942


Rudolf JAEGER
Born: 21.01.1905
Transport AE2 Praha to Terezin. 4 February 1945
(This was one of the transports for half Jews or Jewish partners of mixed
marriages)
Survived


from the ages of the individuals and the date of the transports, I would
think it is likely that Oskar was married to Katuse and that their sons were
Petr and Stepan. I also think it probable that Elsa and Marta were sisters
and that Hilda and Ottilie were mother and daughter.

With best wishes

Ruth Coman
London, England


St Louis Jewish Newspapers #general

Joan Rimmon
 

The American Jewish Archives at HUC (campuses in Cincinnati, LA and NYc)
have the old Jewish American newspapers on microfilm. They go quite far back
into the 1800s. I have learned many stories >from these sources.

Joan Glanz RIMMON, Los Angeles

Seeking:
Germany: NUSBAUM/NUSSBAUM (kohanim) (Erdemannrode), LANGSDORF (Battenberg),
WEINBERG (Storndorf), STERN (Nieder Ohmen), ROSENSTOCK (Tann bei Fulda),
LEVISTEIN (Geisa), KATZ (Altenkirchen), FRANK (emigrated to US beofre 1860).
Poltava: KNOPPOW, KNOPOV, BUDNITZKY Latvia: GLANZSET/GLANSET, KLUMENS
Belarus: DUKSIN, STARISHEVSKY, KRAZNITZKY, STAWSKI (Zhabinka),
SOLNITZE/SOLNICA/SOLNICE , GRYNSZPAN, KAPLANSKY (Kamenetz Litovsk)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen St Louis Jewish Newspapers #general

Joan Rimmon
 

The American Jewish Archives at HUC (campuses in Cincinnati, LA and NYc)
have the old Jewish American newspapers on microfilm. They go quite far back
into the 1800s. I have learned many stories >from these sources.

Joan Glanz RIMMON, Los Angeles

Seeking:
Germany: NUSBAUM/NUSSBAUM (kohanim) (Erdemannrode), LANGSDORF (Battenberg),
WEINBERG (Storndorf), STERN (Nieder Ohmen), ROSENSTOCK (Tann bei Fulda),
LEVISTEIN (Geisa), KATZ (Altenkirchen), FRANK (emigrated to US beofre 1860).
Poltava: KNOPPOW, KNOPOV, BUDNITZKY Latvia: GLANZSET/GLANSET, KLUMENS
Belarus: DUKSIN, STARISHEVSKY, KRAZNITZKY, STAWSKI (Zhabinka),
SOLNITZE/SOLNICA/SOLNICE , GRYNSZPAN, KAPLANSKY (Kamenetz Litovsk)


Re: St. Louis Jewish newspapers pre 1909 #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Rob Roudman writes:

<<I am looking for the obits of several Millner relatives that may have
appeared in the St.Louis, MO, Jewish newspaper(s) between 1900 and 1909.
Would anyone know of an archive that may have these St. Louis newspapers.>>

Check the American Jewish Periodical Center, based in Cincinnati at Hebrew
Union College, with branches on the other campuses--Los Angeles and New
York--which houses the nation's most complete collection of Jewish
newspapers and magazines on microfilm. More than 875 titles, with over
12,000,000 pages, are available in the Center.

Websites are:

http://www.cn.huc.edu/libraries/

www.huc.edu/about/center-la.shtml

Best to phone their librarian in the periodical division to ask about St.
Louis Jewish community journals. They are certain to have some, and might
be able to lend out the microfilm through inter-library loan.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: St. Louis Jewish newspapers pre 1909 #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Rob Roudman writes:

<<I am looking for the obits of several Millner relatives that may have
appeared in the St.Louis, MO, Jewish newspaper(s) between 1900 and 1909.
Would anyone know of an archive that may have these St. Louis newspapers.>>

Check the American Jewish Periodical Center, based in Cincinnati at Hebrew
Union College, with branches on the other campuses--Los Angeles and New
York--which houses the nation's most complete collection of Jewish
newspapers and magazines on microfilm. More than 875 titles, with over
12,000,000 pages, are available in the Center.

Websites are:

http://www.cn.huc.edu/libraries/

www.huc.edu/about/center-la.shtml

Best to phone their librarian in the periodical division to ask about St.
Louis Jewish community journals. They are certain to have some, and might
be able to lend out the microfilm through inter-library loan.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Bondar Luthiania? #general

Michael Rosenthal <roe67@...>
 

Does anyone know where Bondar is? It was in the Suwalk province.

I have had no luck finding it. My grandfather was >from there in about 1900.
If you have any suggestions as to what name it may have changed to, Please
let me know.
Thank you.

Michael Rosenthal

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you tried the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker at
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ ?
You will likely get multiple possibilities, but the coordinates
and reference points given can help narrow down the possibilities.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bondar Luthiania? #general

Michael Rosenthal <roe67@...>
 

Does anyone know where Bondar is? It was in the Suwalk province.

I have had no luck finding it. My grandfather was >from there in about 1900.
If you have any suggestions as to what name it may have changed to, Please
let me know.
Thank you.

Michael Rosenthal

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you tried the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker at
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ ?
You will likely get multiple possibilities, but the coordinates
and reference points given can help narrow down the possibilities.


Article - New York Times - genetic study #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

For a more informative article on the recently
released DNA study of Ashkenazim, the New York Times
story of January 14 provides a better overview.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html

New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe,
by Nicholas Wade

This recent DNA study of the Ashkenazi Jewish
population suggest that the men and their wives
migrated to Europe together, whereas previous
researchers believed that the men migrated and married
local women. Researchers Doron Behar and Karl Skorecki
(Technion and Ramban Medical Center in Haifa) report
that just four women, who may have lived 2,000 to
3,000 years ago, are the ancestors of 40% of
Ashkenazis alive today. They found that many branches
coalesced to single trees, and so were able to
identify the four female ancestors.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Article - New York Times - genetic study #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

For a more informative article on the recently
released DNA study of Ashkenazim, the New York Times
story of January 14 provides a better overview.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html

New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe,
by Nicholas Wade

This recent DNA study of the Ashkenazi Jewish
population suggest that the men and their wives
migrated to Europe together, whereas previous
researchers believed that the men migrated and married
local women. Researchers Doron Behar and Karl Skorecki
(Technion and Ramban Medical Center in Haifa) report
that just four women, who may have lived 2,000 to
3,000 years ago, are the ancestors of 40% of
Ashkenazis alive today. They found that many branches
coalesced to single trees, and so were able to
identify the four female ancestors.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il

MODERATOR NOTE: There's a more detailed discussion happening on the
DNA mailing list; readers might consider joining that list and catching
up on it. You can subscribe at http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/
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Re: ytandv digest: January 11, 2006 #yiddish

Glazer Family
 

Have you any material on George WHITE (born George Allweil WEITZ) in New
York in 1890 and died in Los Angeles in 1968. He was the creator of George
White's Scandals in the teens, twenties and thirties in New York and is
reportedly a distant relative of mine. I have discovered little
biographical info on him.

I am looking for descendants of his siblings.

Stephen Glazer, Jerusalem (formerly of Toronto)


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Re: ytandv digest: January 11, 2006 #yiddish

Glazer Family
 

Have you any material on George WHITE (born George Allweil WEITZ) in New
York in 1890 and died in Los Angeles in 1968. He was the creator of George
White's Scandals in the teens, twenties and thirties in New York and is
reportedly a distant relative of mine. I have discovered little
biographical info on him.

I am looking for descendants of his siblings.

Stephen Glazer, Jerusalem (formerly of Toronto)


Grand Father and Great grandfather GLATZER #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear Genners, It has been quite awhile since I asked for help to find
my husbands grandfather Mendel GLATZER of Bucxacz(Buchach) who died
about 1900 to 1912 I believe.
The cemeteries have been literally destroyed and i did write to the
Warsau department of births and deaths without success. The Great
grandfather Isshakar Glatzer born in Glatz
now known as Klodzko or possibly he relocated to Buczacz and also was
buried there. If someone reading this might have more recent news It
would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Jewel Glatzer,
jelorraine@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grand Father and Great grandfather GLATZER #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear Genners, It has been quite awhile since I asked for help to find
my husbands grandfather Mendel GLATZER of Bucxacz(Buchach) who died
about 1900 to 1912 I believe.
The cemeteries have been literally destroyed and i did write to the
Warsau department of births and deaths without success. The Great
grandfather Isshakar Glatzer born in Glatz
now known as Klodzko or possibly he relocated to Buczacz and also was
buried there. If someone reading this might have more recent news It
would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Jewel Glatzer,
jelorraine@aol.com


Thank you: Losice letters #general

Viktor Lewin
 

Shalom ,
I would like to extend thanks to those who so kindly and generously
assisted in the translation of pre-war letters recently discovered in
Losice, Poland .
My regards . Viktor Lewin < viklewin@shaw.ca > ( Winnipeg ) .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you: Losice letters #general

Viktor Lewin
 

Shalom ,
I would like to extend thanks to those who so kindly and generously
assisted in the translation of pre-war letters recently discovered in
Losice, Poland .
My regards . Viktor Lewin < viklewin@shaw.ca > ( Winnipeg ) .


Pumpenai and Alytus, Lithuania #general

Howard Margol
 

I have access to the Lithuania Internal Passport files, 1919-1940, for
Pumpenai and Alytus. If you have interest in either town please contact me
personally and not with a message on the digest.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com
www.pusalotas.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pumpenai and Alytus, Lithuania #general

Howard Margol
 

I have access to the Lithuania Internal Passport files, 1919-1940, for
Pumpenai and Alytus. If you have interest in either town please contact me
personally and not with a message on the digest.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com
www.pusalotas.org