On the ship manifest where my grandfather appears, the initials and words
"SI" and "LPC" and "In Hospt" appear above his name. His name on the
manifest is Nicolo Mattaleani and he was listed as a stowaway. From
reading this web site, I learned what each of them meant. But also above
his name are the initials "DI". Do you have any idea what DI would have
stood for in 1903?

My grandfather does not appear on *any* of the usual records that citizens
and immigrants alike created in the early 1900s. I'm thinking that he
may have left the hospital on his own (illegally) and perhaps and that DI
stands for Deport Immediately or Detain Indefinitely or something like
that.

Thanks for any clarification you can provide for what "DI" might have
stood for.

Michele Heiderer
Arlington WA

On the ship manifest where my grandfather appears, the initials and words
"SI" and "LPC" and "In Hospt" appear above his name. His name on the
manifest is Nicolo Mattaleani and he was listed as a stowaway. From
reading this web site, I learned what each of them meant. But also above
his name are the initials "DI". Do you have any idea what DI would have
stood for in 1903?

My grandfather does not appear on *any* of the usual records that citizens
and immigrants alike created in the early 1900s. I'm thinking that he
may have left the hospital on his own (illegally) and perhaps and that DI
stands for Deport Immediately or Detain Indefinitely or something like
that.

Thanks for any clarification you can provide for what "DI" might have
stood for.

Michele Heiderer
Arlington WA

Or they might have thought Eisenberg sounded more "American". Our views on
how American Eisenberg sounds are not relevant as we have not traveled from
a foreign land, language, and culture during the 19th century.

I know of one instance where it is known that a Russian Jewish family named
"Zavodnik" changed to "Goldberg" in America for that very reason.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

<JOECYP@aol.com> wrote in message news:1f0.4ca4313f.312df85f@aol.com...

It is possible that your family actually were "Eisenbergs" but, for some
reason, they were traveling under some other family's documents. Then

when they were "home free" in America, they resumed their Eisenberg identify.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI

Or they might have thought Eisenberg sounded more "American". Our views on
how American Eisenberg sounds are not relevant as we have not traveled from
a foreign land, language, and culture during the 19th century.

I know of one instance where it is known that a Russian Jewish family named
"Zavodnik" changed to "Goldberg" in America for that very reason.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

<JOECYP@aol.com> wrote in message news:1f0.4ca4313f.312df85f@aol.com...

It is possible that your family actually were "Eisenbergs" but, for some
reason, they were traveling under some other family's documents. Then

when they were "home free" in America, they resumed their Eisenberg identify.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI

I am interested in finding the location of the shtetl where my mother was
born. The name of the shtetl is Sokola and it was located in Lomza Gebernye.
If there is anyone who can give me information of its location, I would be
most appreciative.
Thank you
Lenore Lowenthal

I've heard that families changed their surnames to the surname of the person
who "sponsored" their coming to America.

Bruce W. Goldstein
Ringwood, NJ

I am interested in finding the location of the shtetl where my mother was
born. The name of the shtetl is Sokola and it was located in Lomza Gebernye.
If there is anyone who can give me information of its location, I would be
most appreciative.
Thank you
Lenore Lowenthal

I've heard that families changed their surnames to the surname of the person
who "sponsored" their coming to America.

Bruce W. Goldstein
Ringwood, NJ

In a message dated 2/22/2006 6:55:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
proprius@alltel.net writes:

Is the name "Yerachmiel" the same as "Rachmiel", and is the name
"Yechiel" the same as "Chiel", or is there a significance to the letters
"Ye" at the beginning of a name? The shorter forms are the names I have
heard the family use, but the longer forms are recorded on tombstones of
their children.

==Both are Hebrew names, meaning [May] God have mercy for me and [May] God
Live. The first syllable tends to get dropped in informal relations.

Michael Bernet, New York

In a message dated 2/22/2006 6:55:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
proprius@alltel.net writes:

Is the name "Yerachmiel" the same as "Rachmiel", and is the name
"Yechiel" the same as "Chiel", or is there a significance to the letters
"Ye" at the beginning of a name? The shorter forms are the names I have
heard the family use, but the longer forms are recorded on tombstones of
their children.

==Both are Hebrew names, meaning [May] God have mercy for me and [May] God
Live. The first syllable tends to get dropped in informal relations.

Michael Bernet, New York

B"H

Hi.

A couple of resources for Argentina for you, sent to the list for
general reference:

First:
http://www.amia.org.ar/difuntos.asp -- search 4 Jewish cemeteries for graves.

Nombre = name
Manzana = quarter (of the cemetery)
Tablon = row
Sepultura = tombstone
Parte = part of the cemetery (old-new)
Fecha = date of death
Cementerio = cemetery

Second:
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/ArgenGen/

Join the group. You can translate between English/Spanish using
http://www.google.com/language_tools?hlen

I was received warmly and some people even made some phone calls for me.

Hope that helps,
--
Henoch Duboff
Milwaukee, WI

Researching: FAERSTEIN, TICHNER; (Skalo - Austria);
MAILSHANKER/MELSZENKER (Grading/Gorodok Podol. and Buenos Aires -
Argentina); OBLETZ, ROSOFF (Dokshytz - Belarus) ; PINTOV, FINN
(Gluboko - Vilna); RAFKIN/RAVKIN (Dwinsk - Russia); ZEMBLE (Lushnitz -
Russia);DUBOWY (Zalocie - Austria)

B"H

Hi.

A couple of resources for Argentina for you, sent to the list for
general reference:

First:
http://www.amia.org.ar/difuntos.asp -- search 4 Jewish cemeteries for graves.

Nombre = name
Manzana = quarter (of the cemetery)
Tablon = row
Sepultura = tombstone
Parte = part of the cemetery (old-new)
Fecha = date of death
Cementerio = cemetery

Second:
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/ArgenGen/

Join the group. You can translate between English/Spanish using
http://www.google.com/language_tools?hlen

I was received warmly and some people even made some phone calls for me.

Hope that helps,
--
Henoch Duboff
Milwaukee, WI

Researching: FAERSTEIN, TICHNER; (Skalo - Austria);
MAILSHANKER/MELSZENKER (Grading/Gorodok Podol. and Buenos Aires -
Argentina); OBLETZ, ROSOFF (Dokshytz - Belarus) ; PINTOV, FINN
(Gluboko - Vilna); RAFKIN/RAVKIN (Dwinsk - Russia); ZEMBLE (Lushnitz -
Russia);DUBOWY (Zalocie - Austria)

In a message dated 2/22/2006 7:07:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hduboff@gmail.com writes:

I have seen the name INGBER on some documents

==INGBER is an alternative pronunciation/spelling for Ingwer, German for
ginger. In Yiddish it's Zanvil or Zangwill. Zanvil and Zangwill are kinnuyim for
the biblical name Samuel (the kinship is through the sound).

It is likely, therefore that you'll find ancestors Samuel or Zanvil in this
family

Michael Bernet, New York

In a message dated 2/22/2006 7:07:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hduboff@gmail.com writes:

I have seen the name INGBER on some documents

==INGBER is an alternative pronunciation/spelling for Ingwer, German for
ginger. In Yiddish it's Zanvil or Zangwill. Zanvil and Zangwill are kinnuyim for
the biblical name Samuel (the kinship is through the sound).

It is likely, therefore that you'll find ancestors Samuel or Zanvil in this
family

Michael Bernet, New York

My father, Louis Greenspon, and grandfather, Morris, both arrived in 1922
to Ellis Island on the "Carmania" which departed >from Liverpool. According
to the ship manifest, my grandfather came >from Kamrez, Russia. I have
not been able to locate that city. I know that the Greenspon family also
came >from Tavrik, Lithuania. Can anyone help me with more info on Kamrez?
Raphael Greenspon
Chicago
Researching: GREENSPON, LIPNICK, BERONOVITCH, SHERESHEVSKY, KURLAND, SCHABES

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you tried the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker?
Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/

My father, Louis Greenspon, and grandfather, Morris, both arrived in 1922
to Ellis Island on the "Carmania" which departed >from Liverpool. According
to the ship manifest, my grandfather came >from Kamrez, Russia. I have
not been able to locate that city. I know that the Greenspon family also
came >from Tavrik, Lithuania. Can anyone help me with more info on Kamrez?
Raphael Greenspon
Chicago
Researching: GREENSPON, LIPNICK, BERONOVITCH, SHERESHEVSKY, KURLAND, SCHABES

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you tried the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker?
Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/

I am trying to locate information on Jewish owned businesses in Berlin during the
late 1930's especially 1937-39, but do not know if there are any databases or
resources that may help me locate this information. I am also trying to locate
images of Berlin that may show these businesses while documenting Jewish culture
in Berlin at that time.

A relative owned a plumbing fixtures business that was eventually lost to the
Nazi's. I am trying to see if I can obtain information or photographs of this
business. If anyone has any leads or suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks. Jill Newmark

MODERATOR NOTE: A good place to start is the German SIG at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/

I am trying to locate information on Jewish owned businesses in Berlin during the
late 1930's especially 1937-39, but do not know if there are any databases or
resources that may help me locate this information. I am also trying to locate
images of Berlin that may show these businesses while documenting Jewish culture
in Berlin at that time.

A relative owned a plumbing fixtures business that was eventually lost to the
Nazi's. I am trying to see if I can obtain information or photographs of this
business. If anyone has any leads or suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks. Jill Newmark

MODERATOR NOTE: A good place to start is the German SIG at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/

I was able to solve my family's name change origins, but not the all
important "why."

My gggrandmother and three sons (including my gggrandfather) were named
SAMURIN while in Pinsk. On the emigration ship list >from Hamburg and
the Castle Garden (NYC) ship list they continue with that name. Once
in America and setlled in Bayonne, New Jersey -- boom - they all become
"Eisenberg." This goes for all of them and some cousins who settled in
Massachusets also. How did they achieve unanimous "buy-in" on the name
change without a single family member's refusal to go along? I was at
least able to confirm the name change after receiving my ggrandfather's
naturalization papers which camed with with an addendum of an official
court document /letter concerning a legal name change, The
naturalization papers for my ggrandfather reads "Samuel Eisenberg aka
Sam Samurin."

The haunting question is not only why did they change the name -- but
also, why "Eisenberg" in particular? Nobody in my family knows the
answer. One theory, based on nothing tangible, is that maybe their
name always had been "Eisenberg" in Pinsk and actually the "Samurin"
name was forced upon them somehow by Russian officials....

Barry Eisenberg
Rockville, MD Usa
Searching" Samurin/Eisenberg (Pinsk), Freedman (Botosani),
Glattstein/Gladstone (Suwalki), Glaslender/Glaser (Suwalki),
Menkowitz/Minkowitz (Byten), Rothstein (Minsk), Uger (Klewan)

Fine Family" <mafine@midcoast.com> wrote

A mystery...

Mordehai,
it's not a mystery, but rather quite common complication in
genealogy... My Ainbinder ancestors, several of them, traveled under their
original name,
but became Hoffmans in the USA. By now, no one knows why did they change
their name in this country... Go figure.

--
Ilya Zeldes
Fort Myers, Florida

I was able to solve my family's name change origins, but not the all
important "why."

My gggrandmother and three sons (including my gggrandfather) were named
SAMURIN while in Pinsk. On the emigration ship list >from Hamburg and
the Castle Garden (NYC) ship list they continue with that name. Once
in America and setlled in Bayonne, New Jersey -- boom - they all become
"Eisenberg." This goes for all of them and some cousins who settled in
Massachusets also. How did they achieve unanimous "buy-in" on the name
change without a single family member's refusal to go along? I was at
least able to confirm the name change after receiving my ggrandfather's
naturalization papers which camed with with an addendum of an official
court document /letter concerning a legal name change, The
naturalization papers for my ggrandfather reads "Samuel Eisenberg aka
Sam Samurin."

The haunting question is not only why did they change the name -- but
also, why "Eisenberg" in particular? Nobody in my family knows the
answer. One theory, based on nothing tangible, is that maybe their
name always had been "Eisenberg" in Pinsk and actually the "Samurin"
name was forced upon them somehow by Russian officials....

Barry Eisenberg
Rockville, MD Usa
Searching" Samurin/Eisenberg (Pinsk), Freedman (Botosani),
Glattstein/Gladstone (Suwalki), Glaslender/Glaser (Suwalki),
Menkowitz/Minkowitz (Byten), Rothstein (Minsk), Uger (Klewan)

Fine Family" <mafine@midcoast.com> wrote

A mystery...

Mordehai,
it's not a mystery, but rather quite common complication in
genealogy... My Ainbinder ancestors, several of them, traveled under their
original name,
but became Hoffmans in the USA. By now, no one knows why did they change
their name in this country... Go figure.

--
Ilya Zeldes
Fort Myers, Florida