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Trip to Romania #romania

Arlene Edwards <glezmah@...>
 

Hello,

We will be traveling to Romania the middle of June. We must stay one night
in Bucharest before we leave for home in the U.S.

Does anyone know of a decent hotel, clean and with a private bath that is
reasonable and not too far >from the airport?? Some of the bigger hotels are
300-400 euros a day.

I would appreciate your unput.

Arlene B. Edwards
Glezmah@cox.net
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Romania SIG #Romania Trip to Romania #romania

Arlene Edwards <glezmah@...>
 

Hello,

We will be traveling to Romania the middle of June. We must stay one night
in Bucharest before we leave for home in the U.S.

Does anyone know of a decent hotel, clean and with a private bath that is
reasonable and not too far >from the airport?? Some of the bigger hotels are
300-400 euros a day.

I would appreciate your unput.

Arlene B. Edwards
Glezmah@cox.net
MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only.


Martyrs of Borislav, Drohobycz and Vicinity Remembrance Day #galicia

David Priever
 

Dear Dr. Barak and fellow Galicia and BDSandV SIGers,

I read with very great interest about the Remembrance Day to the Martyrs of
the Kehilot of Borislav, Drohobycz and Vicinity on March 12, 2006 at the
Zionist House in Tel-Aviv.

This would be something I would absolutely like to attend but for various
reasons it will be impossible for me to attend.

If appropriate, will it be videotaped for those of us in the United States
and other countries who have an interest in Borislav, Drohobych and the many
shtetlech surrounding these locations to be able to view the Remembrance Day
program?

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
Jamaica, Queens County, New York
email: brooklyn1960@hotmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Martyrs of Borislav, Drohobycz and Vicinity Remembrance Day #galicia

David Priever
 

Dear Dr. Barak and fellow Galicia and BDSandV SIGers,

I read with very great interest about the Remembrance Day to the Martyrs of
the Kehilot of Borislav, Drohobycz and Vicinity on March 12, 2006 at the
Zionist House in Tel-Aviv.

This would be something I would absolutely like to attend but for various
reasons it will be impossible for me to attend.

If appropriate, will it be videotaped for those of us in the United States
and other countries who have an interest in Borislav, Drohobych and the many
shtetlech surrounding these locations to be able to view the Remembrance Day
program?

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
Jamaica, Queens County, New York
email: brooklyn1960@hotmail.com


KOENIGSBUCH-Kindertransport-a Breakthrough #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
In 2003 I became aware that my late grandfather Ascher
KOENIGSBUCH >from Brzesko(Galicia) and Krakow had a 2nd
or 3rd cousin in Hamburg whose name was Aron/Adolf
KOENIGSBUCH. At a later stage I learned that he had 2
sons who were on the Kindertransport.
With the help of the Association of Jewish Refugees in
London I managed to get their given names,birth
dates,dates of arrival to the UK and last address in
Birmingham in 1948.Due to privacy concerns they could
not disclose more though they indicated that in any
case they would not have much more than that.
The PRO provided some details about their
naturalization and Military Service and the State
Archive in Hamburg managed to track them down until
1962 in Toronto and New Jersey,including an indication
about a name change.However the 2 brothers were not
members of the Kindertransport Association and did not
participate in the 2 reunions in 1989 and 1999.
I knocked on every possible door during the last 3
years,left messages on every posible list and SIG, in
Rootsweb and others,but in vain. They left no trace.
Until last week!!I was in Doha,Qatar out of all places
where I got an email >from a young student in
Ontario,Canada. Her mother went on the Web and saw
that I am looking for them.
One of the brothers passed away a few years ago. The
other one is at the moment,for the first time since
1939, on a visit to Hamburg!!!
I am waiting for his return to close the cycle.
The moral-DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!
Now I am going to write a book about the KOENIGSBUCH
saga.
And MANY MANY thanks to all of you fellow Siggers and
Genners who were on my side when I went for the hunt
to discover the remnants of the KOENIGSBUCH clan.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia KOENIGSBUCH-Kindertransport-a Breakthrough #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
In 2003 I became aware that my late grandfather Ascher
KOENIGSBUCH >from Brzesko(Galicia) and Krakow had a 2nd
or 3rd cousin in Hamburg whose name was Aron/Adolf
KOENIGSBUCH. At a later stage I learned that he had 2
sons who were on the Kindertransport.
With the help of the Association of Jewish Refugees in
London I managed to get their given names,birth
dates,dates of arrival to the UK and last address in
Birmingham in 1948.Due to privacy concerns they could
not disclose more though they indicated that in any
case they would not have much more than that.
The PRO provided some details about their
naturalization and Military Service and the State
Archive in Hamburg managed to track them down until
1962 in Toronto and New Jersey,including an indication
about a name change.However the 2 brothers were not
members of the Kindertransport Association and did not
participate in the 2 reunions in 1989 and 1999.
I knocked on every possible door during the last 3
years,left messages on every posible list and SIG, in
Rootsweb and others,but in vain. They left no trace.
Until last week!!I was in Doha,Qatar out of all places
where I got an email >from a young student in
Ontario,Canada. Her mother went on the Web and saw
that I am looking for them.
One of the brothers passed away a few years ago. The
other one is at the moment,for the first time since
1939, on a visit to Hamburg!!!
I am waiting for his return to close the cycle.
The moral-DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!
Now I am going to write a book about the KOENIGSBUCH
saga.
And MANY MANY thanks to all of you fellow Siggers and
Genners who were on my side when I went for the hunt
to discover the remnants of the KOENIGSBUCH clan.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Looking for shtetl Kuperchik #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<<From: Assaf Urieli <assaf@joli-ciel.com>
They stopped in a village called Bakroi along the way where Hirsch had
an acquaintance, and a couple of days later arrived in Kuperchik. >>

Bakroi was probably Pokroi (Pakruojus today).

<<Did the expulsion order in May 1915 apply to Kuperchik as well? If so,
how could my family stay there for a few months? Were the Jews of
Kuperchik expelled later than those of Shavli? If they were not expelled
at all, why did the Jews leave Kuperchik en masse in 1915, as Ann
Rabinowitz suggests?>>

With a lot of research, I am sure it could be determined when the Jews in
each town and village were ordered to leave and go to the East. Some
infomation can be obtained by going to the introduction to my internal
passport database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm
If Assaf searches the database for his ancestors, the date of his
families expulsion will not be found but the date of their return will
be seen if his ancestors are listed.

Additional information about the expulsion of Jews in 1915 can
be found at www.pusalotas.org Click on "My Story - Pushelat during
World War I". This is a first hand account written by Mair Brog, the
Uncle of Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel. Mair is still
living in Israel at the age of 97.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Looking for shtetl Kuperchik #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<<From: Assaf Urieli <assaf@joli-ciel.com>
They stopped in a village called Bakroi along the way where Hirsch had
an acquaintance, and a couple of days later arrived in Kuperchik. >>

Bakroi was probably Pokroi (Pakruojus today).

<<Did the expulsion order in May 1915 apply to Kuperchik as well? If so,
how could my family stay there for a few months? Were the Jews of
Kuperchik expelled later than those of Shavli? If they were not expelled
at all, why did the Jews leave Kuperchik en masse in 1915, as Ann
Rabinowitz suggests?>>

With a lot of research, I am sure it could be determined when the Jews in
each town and village were ordered to leave and go to the East. Some
infomation can be obtained by going to the introduction to my internal
passport database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm
If Assaf searches the database for his ancestors, the date of his
families expulsion will not be found but the date of their return will
be seen if his ancestors are listed.

Additional information about the expulsion of Jews in 1915 can
be found at www.pusalotas.org Click on "My Story - Pushelat during
World War I". This is a first hand account written by Mair Brog, the
Uncle of Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel. Mair is still
living in Israel at the age of 97.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia


Re: Polish records index on JewishGen #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

John:

"Akt" means "act" or "file" or, in this case, "item." It's the number
assigned to an event (birth, death, etc.). If pagination has already
been given, so much the better; but if it hasn't, knowing the number can
help you find an item.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

home wrote:
In the Poland records data base on the JewishGen one of the
headings listed is AKT. What does this mean? How can this help
in finding a document >from the microfilm roll?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish records index on JewishGen #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

John:

"Akt" means "act" or "file" or, in this case, "item." It's the number
assigned to an event (birth, death, etc.). If pagination has already
been given, so much the better; but if it hasn't, knowing the number can
help you find an item.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

home wrote:
In the Poland records data base on the JewishGen one of the
headings listed is AKT. What does this mean? How can this help
in finding a document >from the microfilm roll?


Shtetles: Choderkod and Pogribusth near Kiev #general

ChiFamGen <chifamgen@...>
 

I recently interviewed my son-in-law's aunt and she told me their family
immigrated >from the following two towns, which she said where located on the
outskirts of Kiev, Choderkod and Pogribusth. She told me that in 1920 the
town of Choderkod was destroyed by a pogrom and the family had to leave.
Does this information strike a chord with any of you? I would welcome any
information or clues regarding the location of these two shtetls.

Sandy Imyak

Researching: SHAPIRO, ROSHINSKY, IMYAK, CHAPNICK, PLOTSKY, NATHAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shtetles: Choderkod and Pogribusth near Kiev #general

ChiFamGen <chifamgen@...>
 

I recently interviewed my son-in-law's aunt and she told me their family
immigrated >from the following two towns, which she said where located on the
outskirts of Kiev, Choderkod and Pogribusth. She told me that in 1920 the
town of Choderkod was destroyed by a pogrom and the family had to leave.
Does this information strike a chord with any of you? I would welcome any
information or clues regarding the location of these two shtetls.

Sandy Imyak

Researching: SHAPIRO, ROSHINSKY, IMYAK, CHAPNICK, PLOTSKY, NATHAN


Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd --> archiving in general #general

hoibie@...
 

The bigger problem is not the longevity of the media. The problem is that
in a number of years you will not find hardware to read the media. My guess
is that you may find it difficult to find hardware to read your disks in
about 20 years. formats and hardware are continually being upgraded, so
your only solution would be to copy the disks each time new hardware
systems become in vogue. This is what the professional archivist usually do.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO

snip>>
So what to do about archiving this irreplaceable data?
snip>>>

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd --> archiving in general #general

hoibie@...
 

The bigger problem is not the longevity of the media. The problem is that
in a number of years you will not find hardware to read the media. My guess
is that you may find it difficult to find hardware to read your disks in
about 20 years. formats and hardware are continually being upgraded, so
your only solution would be to copy the disks each time new hardware
systems become in vogue. This is what the professional archivist usually do.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO

snip>>
So what to do about archiving this irreplaceable data?
snip>>>

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repetitive and of a more technical nature. Technical matters are normally
considered off-topic, so please only respond to the List if you have
something new to offer; otherwise, please write off-list.


WWI and WW2 American records #general

SelmaN@...
 

Here's the terminology used to describe the WW1 and WW2 records.
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918<<
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946<<
My questions are . . . .
- Do Draft Registration Cards include those persons who enlisted in WW1?
- Do Army Enlistment Records include those who were drafted in WW2?
I know there is someone out there with the answers. Thank you. Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus);
SINGER, NEWMAN (possibly
Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WWI and WW2 American records #general

SelmaN@...
 

Here's the terminology used to describe the WW1 and WW2 records.
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918<<
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946<<
My questions are . . . .
- Do Draft Registration Cards include those persons who enlisted in WW1?
- Do Army Enlistment Records include those who were drafted in WW2?
I know there is someone out there with the answers. Thank you. Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus);
SINGER, NEWMAN (possibly
Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


Digital Archival Records Storage. #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

A quick look at the graphs on the NIST study shows that sample
"S4" had the best performance. This sample was a gold/silver alloy
and phthalocyanine dye manufacture. Since I cannot list actual manufacturers
the consumer need only check for these materials in selecting an archival
media. Again pure gold (actually better than the silver/gold alloy) and
phthalocyanine dye make all the difference.

Bob Roudman


According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, quality
CD and DVD discs will retain information for several tens of years.
snip>>>>>>>>>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Digital Archival Records Storage. #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

A quick look at the graphs on the NIST study shows that sample
"S4" had the best performance. This sample was a gold/silver alloy
and phthalocyanine dye manufacture. Since I cannot list actual manufacturers
the consumer need only check for these materials in selecting an archival
media. Again pure gold (actually better than the silver/gold alloy) and
phthalocyanine dye make all the difference.

Bob Roudman


According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, quality
CD and DVD discs will retain information for several tens of years.
snip>>>>>>>>>>


Re: Longevity of digital storage on CD and DVD --> archiving #general

tom klein <jewishgen@...>
 

Even though I work in computer consulting, or perhaps because of it,
I would suggest steering clear of computers for "archival" storage.

As I see it, the biggest problem is the pace of technological change.
For example, my first computer, about 25 years ago, used two 140k,
single-sided diskette drives. I have over 1,000 diskettes neatly labelled
and catalogued in a database, but very few people today have the equipment
to read them. And the cost of transferring them to another medium is prohibitive.

Therefore, I would suggest that most material, where possible, be stored
in printed form, using archival materials (stable inks on acid-free paper,
etc.). Even though paper is vulnerable to decay and other damage, we have
centuries of experience with the storage and conservation of paper documents,
and the "equipment" to access it is pretty much universal and not likely to
change a lot.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't use electronic means to index,
digitize or distribute documents, because that's effective and appropriate,
but it's mostly a disposable tool, and we should expect only the hard-copy
form to survive for future generations.

This also means that we should protect the documents with suitable
"off-site backup", as much or more so than we do the electronic forms.
Nowadays, copying has become cheaper and easier than ever before (we live
in the "xerox age"), so it's not very hard to make an extra copy
(or set of prints >from a family event) and send them to aunt martha,
as a matter of routine.

Perhaps the best use for computers and the internet is to find other
genealogists in our extended families, so that we can share our information
with them.

Tom Klein, Toronto


Ps. I'm sure some of our ancestors once thought that paper was just
another passing fad - "if you want a record to last, you've got to carve
it in stone".


henryn <henryn@zzzspacebbs.com> wrote:

I've been reading this thread with great interest because the problem of
safe, archival digital storage is weighing very heavily on me.
[snip!]

So what to do about archiving this irreplaceable data?
[snip!]

I feel a strong responsibility as a trustee of this historical and
genealogical material to see that it is safely archived.

Suggestions? Discussion?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re: Longevity of digital storage on CD and DVD --> archiving #general

tom klein <jewishgen@...>
 

Even though I work in computer consulting, or perhaps because of it,
I would suggest steering clear of computers for "archival" storage.

As I see it, the biggest problem is the pace of technological change.
For example, my first computer, about 25 years ago, used two 140k,
single-sided diskette drives. I have over 1,000 diskettes neatly labelled
and catalogued in a database, but very few people today have the equipment
to read them. And the cost of transferring them to another medium is prohibitive.

Therefore, I would suggest that most material, where possible, be stored
in printed form, using archival materials (stable inks on acid-free paper,
etc.). Even though paper is vulnerable to decay and other damage, we have
centuries of experience with the storage and conservation of paper documents,
and the "equipment" to access it is pretty much universal and not likely to
change a lot.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't use electronic means to index,
digitize or distribute documents, because that's effective and appropriate,
but it's mostly a disposable tool, and we should expect only the hard-copy
form to survive for future generations.

This also means that we should protect the documents with suitable
"off-site backup", as much or more so than we do the electronic forms.
Nowadays, copying has become cheaper and easier than ever before (we live
in the "xerox age"), so it's not very hard to make an extra copy
(or set of prints >from a family event) and send them to aunt martha,
as a matter of routine.

Perhaps the best use for computers and the internet is to find other
genealogists in our extended families, so that we can share our information
with them.

Tom Klein, Toronto


Ps. I'm sure some of our ancestors once thought that paper was just
another passing fad - "if you want a record to last, you've got to carve
it in stone".


henryn <henryn@zzzspacebbs.com> wrote:

I've been reading this thread with great interest because the problem of
safe, archival digital storage is weighing very heavily on me.
[snip!]

So what to do about archiving this irreplaceable data?
[snip!]

I feel a strong responsibility as a trustee of this historical and
genealogical material to see that it is safely archived.

Suggestions? Discussion?