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Re: 40% Ashkenazim came from Matriarchs #dna

Marshall Lerner <marshalllerner@...>
 

On 2006.01.18, Jake Goldstein <jake@acm.org> wrote:

The following article [...] may shed some light on these questions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html
The research says that only 40% of Ashkenazim share mtDNA with the
four founding matriarchs. That means, of course, that the other 60%
came >from other matriarchs. As a result, there's evidence for every
side of the argument, a typically Jewish scenario.

Marshall Lerner


DNA Research #DNA RE: 40% Ashkenazim came from Matriarchs #dna

Marshall Lerner <marshalllerner@...>
 

On 2006.01.18, Jake Goldstein <jake@acm.org> wrote:

The following article [...] may shed some light on these questions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html
The research says that only 40% of Ashkenazim share mtDNA with the
four founding matriarchs. That means, of course, that the other 60%
came >from other matriarchs. As a result, there's evidence for every
side of the argument, a typically Jewish scenario.

Marshall Lerner


REMINDER Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #galicia

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj
Please reply to: _SWTDNCMD@aol.com_


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia REMINDER Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #galicia

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj
Please reply to: _SWTDNCMD@aol.com_


Re: How Detailed is a Record from PSA? -FENDRICH from Ciemierzynce #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Sharon:

The records indices on the JRI-Poland database for your ancestral town
are >from the AGAD Indexing project. All the indices created for this
project are created >from the actual record registers. These registers
always contains information beyond that contained in the JRI-Poland
indices. However, the additional information contained depends on the
year of the record. Records starting in 1877 have the most information
and you can find examples of the column headings for these birth,
marriage, and death records on the JRI-Poland website at
www.jri-poland.org. Just click on "Tips/Other Links" in the first box on
the left side of the Homepage and then click on "A Guide to Headings of
19th Century Galician Jewish Vital Record Forms (.PDF)." For records
before 1877, there are also examples of column headings for some
representative records.

The year 1877 is very important as before 1877 there was no standard
format for the recording of Jewish vital records and the recording
varied by town and by year. Starting in 1877, the format and content was
standardized and you can be fairly sure that the information on the
sample form headings will be included in your record.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----

Subject: How Detailed is a Record >from PSA? -FENDRICH >from Ciemierzynce

Hello everyone,

I= new to research and think I have found some important information in
the Polish State Archives.
Do you know if the information they would mail me if I order the record
would be more detailed than the information that is provided online when
you do the search in JRI-Poland? If I would just be ordering an original
document I dont know if I am interested because I dont know if there is
a link here for sure.

This is for any FENDRICH relative >from Ciemierzynce (Chemerintsy).

With much gratitude for your assistance,
Sharon Fendrich

Reply to: Sharonfendrich@earthlink.net


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: How Detailed is a Record from PSA? -FENDRICH from Ciemierzynce #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Sharon:

The records indices on the JRI-Poland database for your ancestral town
are >from the AGAD Indexing project. All the indices created for this
project are created >from the actual record registers. These registers
always contains information beyond that contained in the JRI-Poland
indices. However, the additional information contained depends on the
year of the record. Records starting in 1877 have the most information
and you can find examples of the column headings for these birth,
marriage, and death records on the JRI-Poland website at
www.jri-poland.org. Just click on "Tips/Other Links" in the first box on
the left side of the Homepage and then click on "A Guide to Headings of
19th Century Galician Jewish Vital Record Forms (.PDF)." For records
before 1877, there are also examples of column headings for some
representative records.

The year 1877 is very important as before 1877 there was no standard
format for the recording of Jewish vital records and the recording
varied by town and by year. Starting in 1877, the format and content was
standardized and you can be fairly sure that the information on the
sample form headings will be included in your record.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----

Subject: How Detailed is a Record >from PSA? -FENDRICH >from Ciemierzynce

Hello everyone,

I= new to research and think I have found some important information in
the Polish State Archives.
Do you know if the information they would mail me if I order the record
would be more detailed than the information that is provided online when
you do the search in JRI-Poland? If I would just be ordering an original
document I dont know if I am interested because I dont know if there is
a link here for sure.

This is for any FENDRICH relative >from Ciemierzynce (Chemerintsy).

With much gratitude for your assistance,
Sharon Fendrich

Reply to: Sharonfendrich@earthlink.net


Rabbi Dovid of Novarodok #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Does anyone know if Rabbi Dovid, the Rabbi of Novarodok during the
early years of the 19th cent. have a family name? His son-in-law
went under the name RABINOWITZ.

Dovid was the son of Rabbi Moshe of Kletzk.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Dovid of Novarodok #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Does anyone know if Rabbi Dovid, the Rabbi of Novarodok during the
early years of the 19th cent. have a family name? His son-in-law
went under the name RABINOWITZ.

Dovid was the son of Rabbi Moshe of Kletzk.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat


JewishGen SIG Archives #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Does ravsig have an archive and how does one get into it?

Thanks
Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat

[Moderator's Note: Searchable archives of all JewishGen Special
Interest Group (SIG) mailing lists, including RavSIG's, may be found
at http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop ]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic JewishGen SIG Archives #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Does ravsig have an archive and how does one get into it?

Thanks
Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat

[Moderator's Note: Searchable archives of all JewishGen Special
Interest Group (SIG) mailing lists, including RavSIG's, may be found
at http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop ]


*Reminder*: Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #general

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj
Please reply to: _SWTDNCMD@aol.com_ (mailto:SWTDNCMD@aol.com)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen *Reminder*: Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #general

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj
Please reply to: _SWTDNCMD@aol.com_ (mailto:SWTDNCMD@aol.com)


Obits #france

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

What on-line obits are available, and / or what newspaper one should query.
This is for deaths in Paris >from 1900 to WWII .
Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


French SIG #France Obits #france

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

What on-line obits are available, and / or what newspaper one should query.
This is for deaths in Paris >from 1900 to WWII .
Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


New info on Hoffer/Koesis/Dobronski, further help needed in finding #warsaw #poland

Michele <michelerenee217@...>
 

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great =
grandparents:
GGF -John Hoffer (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria=20
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.=20
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet Kocsis (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her =
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old. =

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:=20
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).=20
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven. =

Cousins are: Dobronski/Dumbroskie and it is possible that one may be =
still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian =
Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those =
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on =
them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and =
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family =
lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and =
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to =
Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However, =
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to =
Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition =
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage =
especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the =
religion onto their children and so on.=20

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son) =
who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done =
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of =
my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates, =
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can =
make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross =
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I =
will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my =
GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried =
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If =
so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for =
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis. Can anyone =
assist me in making connection between them?
=20
Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva =
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21, =
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest =
they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am =
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records, =
locations, or Hungarian Census Information?=20

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15, =
2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification =
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line: =
Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having =
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am =
unable to respond to him.
=20
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FhC.2ACE/3789.1 =20

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly =
appreciated.=20

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA=20
michelerenee217@suscom.net


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland New info on Hoffer/Koesis/Dobronski, further help needed in finding #warsaw #poland

Michele <michelerenee217@...>
 

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great =
grandparents:
GGF -John Hoffer (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria=20
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.=20
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet Kocsis (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her =
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old. =

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:=20
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).=20
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven. =

Cousins are: Dobronski/Dumbroskie and it is possible that one may be =
still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian =
Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those =
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on =
them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and =
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family =
lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and =
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to =
Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However, =
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to =
Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition =
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage =
especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the =
religion onto their children and so on.=20

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son) =
who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done =
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of =
my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates, =
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can =
make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross =
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I =
will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my =
GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried =
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If =
so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for =
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis. Can anyone =
assist me in making connection between them?
=20
Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva =
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21, =
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest =
they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am =
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records, =
locations, or Hungarian Census Information?=20

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15, =
2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification =
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line: =
Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having =
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am =
unable to respond to him.
=20
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FhC.2ACE/3789.1 =20

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly =
appreciated.=20

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA=20
michelerenee217@suscom.net


REMINDER: Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #poland

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.
Please reply to: SWTDNCMD@aol.com

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj


JRI Poland #Poland REMINDER: Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #poland

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.
Please reply to: SWTDNCMD@aol.com

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj


1891 Census - is there a street index? #unitedkingdom

Jonathan Grodzinski
 

I have recently found old leases and conveyances of our family's first bakery shop at 31 Fieldgate Street London E. which show that the premises which I had always known as 29 31 and 33 were originally called 9 10 and 11 and by 1897 had been renumbered.

I now wish to find the census entries for 1891. I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, but other than knowing that the address is in Whitechapel - St Mary, do not know where to start looking . How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate street records appear?


Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker
researching : GRODZINSKI (GRODZENCZIK) Varanova, Belarus: GOIDE Lida, Belarus. JEIDEL Pfungstadt, Germany. FINK Hamburg. BUCHSBAUM Mislovitz,Silesia. KORNBLUTH Mielec, ARATEN Rozwadow


Krakow marriage and banns.... #poland

hennynow
 

Elsebeth Paikin inquired about the meaning of marriage banns in Poland.
Here's my reply to her:

Marriage banns are the declaration of intention to enter matrimony posted
officially by bride and groom, if I recall correctly. Originally a church
requirement in Europe, it is still a civil requirement in many European
countries. It is just a formality, sort of like, "....if anybody has any
objection to this proposed union, let him or her speak up now."

Henriette Mo√ęd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net