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Bronx births in 1920's #general

Gloria Bailey <GAB123@...>
 

This is just a clarification in response to Shellie - below.

The reason my relative believed her parents lied about their home address is
that their address as written on the birth certificate is her Uncle's Bronx
address rather than her parent's own address in Queens. Whether they felt
it was necessary to live in the Bronx to have a baby there is unknown to me,
but certainly, they claimed to live where they did not live on that birth
certificate.

I do want to reiterate a point that Shellie is also making. Registration of
births is a legal requirement. Hospitals had the forms and midwives had the
forms. A home birth would have to be registered even if not aided by a
doctor or midwife. Perhaps the parents in question in the original posting
(birth elsewhere than in hospital) took the baby to the hospital as the
easiest way to register the birth, or for a checkup and at the same time
registered the birth.

Gloria Bailey
Everett, Washington

Subject: Re: birth certificates in NYC
From: Shellie Wiener <s_wiener@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:33:00 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 16

Hi, Genners,

I am not sure what Gloria meant in her statement "The family did not live in
the Bronx and may have given another family member's address in order to be
able to use that hospital."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bronx births in 1920's #general

Gloria Bailey <GAB123@...>
 

This is just a clarification in response to Shellie - below.

The reason my relative believed her parents lied about their home address is
that their address as written on the birth certificate is her Uncle's Bronx
address rather than her parent's own address in Queens. Whether they felt
it was necessary to live in the Bronx to have a baby there is unknown to me,
but certainly, they claimed to live where they did not live on that birth
certificate.

I do want to reiterate a point that Shellie is also making. Registration of
births is a legal requirement. Hospitals had the forms and midwives had the
forms. A home birth would have to be registered even if not aided by a
doctor or midwife. Perhaps the parents in question in the original posting
(birth elsewhere than in hospital) took the baby to the hospital as the
easiest way to register the birth, or for a checkup and at the same time
registered the birth.

Gloria Bailey
Everett, Washington

Subject: Re: birth certificates in NYC
From: Shellie Wiener <s_wiener@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:33:00 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 16

Hi, Genners,

I am not sure what Gloria meant in her statement "The family did not live in
the Bronx and may have given another family member's address in order to be
able to use that hospital."


Polish Translation Help Needed - Viewmate File 7618 #general

Michael Trapunsky <trapunsky@...>
 

Hi all,

I just posted a record on Viewmate and would appreciate any help I could
get in having it translated.

It is the marriage record for Hershel WAJSWOL and Miriam ZALCBERG >from 1892
in Staszow, Poland

The direct link to the file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7618

If you can help, please reply directly to me at: trapunsky@earthlink.net

Thank you very much.

Michael Trapunsky
Forest Hills, New York, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Translation Help Needed - Viewmate File 7618 #general

Michael Trapunsky <trapunsky@...>
 

Hi all,

I just posted a record on Viewmate and would appreciate any help I could
get in having it translated.

It is the marriage record for Hershel WAJSWOL and Miriam ZALCBERG >from 1892
in Staszow, Poland

The direct link to the file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7618

If you can help, please reply directly to me at: trapunsky@earthlink.net

Thank you very much.

Michael Trapunsky
Forest Hills, New York, USA


Re: Zayde's Birthplace: Krenzburg? #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Could "Krenzburg" actually be "Kreuzburg"? There are several places by
that name.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

Howard V. Epstein wrote:

I recently found my maternal Zayde's name listed in a manifest of the
ship Albano which arrived in Ellis Island on June 1, 1906 >from Hamburg.
My Zayde and his family came at various times to the United States >from
Dankere (Gostini) Latvia. He settled in Marietta, OH as did so many of
the Jews who came >from Dankere. He departed for the United States >from
Hamburg, Germany.
His possible birthplace is listed as Krenzburg. I would appreciate
if anyone can tell where Krenzburg was located.


Looking for ViewMate stories #general

Sam Eneman <seneman@...>
 

Friends,

I am the Viewmate Admin and am working on an article about ViewMate.
If you have an unusual story, a humorous experience, a great success,
etc. with ViewMate, please contact me privately. This would give the
article much more personal appeal.

You might think it strange that the Admin is asking for these kinds
of stories but I very rarely hear >from those who have submitted
files. The communication is almost always between the submitters and
the volunteers who provide translations and other information for
them.

Again, please email me privately. Thanks in advance,

Sam Eneman
Viewmate Admin
seneman@mindspring.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zayde's Birthplace: Krenzburg? #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Could "Krenzburg" actually be "Kreuzburg"? There are several places by
that name.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

Howard V. Epstein wrote:

I recently found my maternal Zayde's name listed in a manifest of the
ship Albano which arrived in Ellis Island on June 1, 1906 >from Hamburg.
My Zayde and his family came at various times to the United States >from
Dankere (Gostini) Latvia. He settled in Marietta, OH as did so many of
the Jews who came >from Dankere. He departed for the United States >from
Hamburg, Germany.
His possible birthplace is listed as Krenzburg. I would appreciate
if anyone can tell where Krenzburg was located.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for ViewMate stories #general

Sam Eneman <seneman@...>
 

Friends,

I am the Viewmate Admin and am working on an article about ViewMate.
If you have an unusual story, a humorous experience, a great success,
etc. with ViewMate, please contact me privately. This would give the
article much more personal appeal.

You might think it strange that the Admin is asking for these kinds
of stories but I very rarely hear >from those who have submitted
files. The communication is almost always between the submitters and
the volunteers who provide translations and other information for
them.

Again, please email me privately. Thanks in advance,

Sam Eneman
Viewmate Admin
seneman@mindspring.com


Conference Resource Room material request #galicia

Carol W. Skydell <cwskydell@...>
 

From: "Carol W. Skydell" <cwskydell@earthlink.net>
Subject : Conference Resource Room material request

The Jewish Genealogical Society of NYC, Inc., will host the 26th Annual
Conference on Jewish Genealogy in New York City, August 13 - 18, 2006. A
highlight of the Conference will be the Resource Room located at the
Conference hotel. In addition to providing the Conference attendees with an
"on-site" basic research library, the Resource Room will showcase research
projects >from Jewish genealogical organizations and societies, their
members, and independent researchers throughout the world. The Resource
Room Committee is requesting contributions of genealogical materials, which
would be useful and informative to the Conference attendees, especially
those that are unique or unusual, including works-in-progress and
pre-release databases. In particular, the Committee is requesting printed
or computerized copies of indexes, databases, unpublished manuscripts and
private collections, in addition to commercially published books and maps.

All hard-copy materials loaned to the Resource Room should be bound (i.e.
no loose papers) and will be returned immediately after the Conference has
ended. Material in electronic form and computer databases should be
compatible with Microsoft Office programs. If you have materials to
contribute to the Resource Room, please send a description of those items
to the Committee at resources@jgsny2006.org or the address below as soon as
convenient so we can proceed with our planning. The Resource Room Committee
will contact all contributors regarding arrangements to obtain the
materials prior to the Conference and to return them afterwards. Be assured
that appropriate security measures will be taken to protect all loaned
resources, however please provide copies of your material, not the
originals.

The Resource Room will also host the volunteer translators. If you can
spend a few hours during the Conference to help attendees translate their
materials, please let us know which languages you can translate, and we
will set up a schedule convenient to you.

Any further inquiries should be addressed to the Resource Room Committee at
resources@jgsny2006.org
Stew Driller,
Michael Pertain,
Co-Chairman, Resource Room Committee


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Conference Resource Room material request #galicia

Carol W. Skydell <cwskydell@...>
 

From: "Carol W. Skydell" <cwskydell@earthlink.net>
Subject : Conference Resource Room material request

The Jewish Genealogical Society of NYC, Inc., will host the 26th Annual
Conference on Jewish Genealogy in New York City, August 13 - 18, 2006. A
highlight of the Conference will be the Resource Room located at the
Conference hotel. In addition to providing the Conference attendees with an
"on-site" basic research library, the Resource Room will showcase research
projects >from Jewish genealogical organizations and societies, their
members, and independent researchers throughout the world. The Resource
Room Committee is requesting contributions of genealogical materials, which
would be useful and informative to the Conference attendees, especially
those that are unique or unusual, including works-in-progress and
pre-release databases. In particular, the Committee is requesting printed
or computerized copies of indexes, databases, unpublished manuscripts and
private collections, in addition to commercially published books and maps.

All hard-copy materials loaned to the Resource Room should be bound (i.e.
no loose papers) and will be returned immediately after the Conference has
ended. Material in electronic form and computer databases should be
compatible with Microsoft Office programs. If you have materials to
contribute to the Resource Room, please send a description of those items
to the Committee at resources@jgsny2006.org or the address below as soon as
convenient so we can proceed with our planning. The Resource Room Committee
will contact all contributors regarding arrangements to obtain the
materials prior to the Conference and to return them afterwards. Be assured
that appropriate security measures will be taken to protect all loaned
resources, however please provide copies of your material, not the
originals.

The Resource Room will also host the volunteer translators. If you can
spend a few hours during the Conference to help attendees translate their
materials, please let us know which languages you can translate, and we
will set up a schedule convenient to you.

Any further inquiries should be addressed to the Resource Room Committee at
resources@jgsny2006.org
Stew Driller,
Michael Pertain,
Co-Chairman, Resource Room Committee


Annual Remembrance Day for the Kehilot of Borislav, Drogobychr & Vicinity #galicia

Simon Barak
 

This is to remind all that on the anniversary of the massacre of our
beloved families by the Nazis in WW II we will gather for our annual
remembrance day to the martyrs of the Kehilot of Borislav, Drohobycz &
the Vicinity next sunday, March 12th 2006, in the "Zionist House" in Tel
Aviv, Daniel Frisch St., at 18:00
Dr Shimon Barak
on behalf of the committee


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Annual Remembrance Day for the Kehilot of Borislav, Drogobychr & Vicinity #galicia

Simon Barak
 

This is to remind all that on the anniversary of the massacre of our
beloved families by the Nazis in WW II we will gather for our annual
remembrance day to the martyrs of the Kehilot of Borislav, Drohobycz &
the Vicinity next sunday, March 12th 2006, in the "Zionist House" in Tel
Aviv, Daniel Frisch St., at 18:00
Dr Shimon Barak
on behalf of the committee


Re: Treitler opera singer #galicia

Jacqueline Pollak <jacqueline.pollak@...>
 

Dear Denise,
Everything is useful.
It is just a legend, I think a fairy tale that the parents told to their
children. I always tought the reality had been beautified. And then your
case is very interesting
I found a Benjamin Chaim Treitler who directed a very popular vagabond
troupe of yiddisch theater. He was born in Stanislawow in 1953 and performed
a lot in Galicia and then in other countries of Central Europe, in London
and in New York. He had been the pupil of an excellent hazan.
But my family dreams that I find something more extraordinary.
I'll try the United State Holocaust Memorial Museum. And an other genner
just sent me the adress of the museum of the State Opera in Vienna.
Jacqueline Pollak
Brussels


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Re:Treitler opera singer #galicia

Jacqueline Pollak <jacqueline.pollak@...>
 

Dear Denise,
Everything is useful.
It is just a legend, I think a fairy tale that the parents told to their
children. I always tought the reality had been beautified. And then your
case is very interesting
I found a Benjamin Chaim Treitler who directed a very popular vagabond
troupe of yiddisch theater. He was born in Stanislawow in 1953 and performed
a lot in Galicia and then in other countries of Central Europe, in London
and in New York. He had been the pupil of an excellent hazan.
But my family dreams that I find something more extraordinary.
I'll try the United State Holocaust Memorial Museum. And an other genner
just sent me the adress of the museum of the State Opera in Vienna.
Jacqueline Pollak
Brussels


Suchostaw massacre #galicia

Lancy
 

Welcome, fellow Suchostawer.

In response to Jonathan RIDGEWAY's request for information concerning the massacre,
I never read any written account about what happened in Suchostaw during the
holocaust and there is no information in Yad Vashem either. When I visited
Suchostaw three years ago, the local Ukrainian peasants told me a story
about a tunnel the Jews had dug under the wooden synagogue to protect
themselves. The story didn't sound too credible.

I would be more than interested to hear who the eyewitnesses are and what
accounts you heard.

In any case, the Jewish community of Suchostaw perished or was expelled in
1942.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Suchostaw massacre #galicia

Lancy
 

Welcome, fellow Suchostawer.

In response to Jonathan RIDGEWAY's request for information concerning the massacre,
I never read any written account about what happened in Suchostaw during the
holocaust and there is no information in Yad Vashem either. When I visited
Suchostaw three years ago, the local Ukrainian peasants told me a story
about a tunnel the Jews had dug under the wooden synagogue to protect
themselves. The story didn't sound too credible.

I would be more than interested to hear who the eyewitnesses are and what
accounts you heard.

In any case, the Jewish community of Suchostaw perished or was expelled in
1942.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


"Caviar and Ashes" #general

Marlene Bishow
 

JGenners:

Dr. Marci Shore spoket to JGSGW on Sunday. It was a very worthwhile lecture.
I want to make the list aware of her newly released book "Caviar and Ashes."
It "begins with this generation's coming of age after the First World War
and narrates a half-century-long journey through futurist manifestos and
proletarian poetry, Stalinist terror and Nazi genocide, a journey >from the
literary cafés to the cells of prisons and the corridors of power. Using
newly available archival materials >from Poland and Russia, as well as >from
Ukraine and Israel, Shore explores what it meant to live Marxism as a
European, an East European, and a Jewish intellectual in the twentieth
century." It is available through Yale University Press and
[book retailers -- Mod.].

I have an advance copy and have begun to rean it - fascinating and it
certainly should be of interest to anyone interested in modern Polish
history and thought!.

Marlene Bishow
VP Programs
Jewish Genealgoy Society of Greater Washington
Rockville, MD

MODERATOR NOTE: Here's a clarification of the "one time sales mention"
policy for everyone: books and other resources of genealogical interest
may be recommended, and you may give the publisher or author as a source
to buy from. But we cannot post the names of general retailers because
there is no way to do so that is fair to all of them. It is assumed
that readers already know of such sources, whether locally or online.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Caviar and Ashes" #general

Marlene Bishow
 

JGenners:

Dr. Marci Shore spoket to JGSGW on Sunday. It was a very worthwhile lecture.
I want to make the list aware of her newly released book "Caviar and Ashes."
It "begins with this generation's coming of age after the First World War
and narrates a half-century-long journey through futurist manifestos and
proletarian poetry, Stalinist terror and Nazi genocide, a journey >from the
literary cafés to the cells of prisons and the corridors of power. Using
newly available archival materials >from Poland and Russia, as well as >from
Ukraine and Israel, Shore explores what it meant to live Marxism as a
European, an East European, and a Jewish intellectual in the twentieth
century." It is available through Yale University Press and
[book retailers -- Mod.].

I have an advance copy and have begun to rean it - fascinating and it
certainly should be of interest to anyone interested in modern Polish
history and thought!.

Marlene Bishow
VP Programs
Jewish Genealgoy Society of Greater Washington
Rockville, MD

MODERATOR NOTE: Here's a clarification of the "one time sales mention"
policy for everyone: books and other resources of genealogical interest
may be recommended, and you may give the publisher or author as a source
to buy from. But we cannot post the names of general retailers because
there is no way to do so that is fair to all of them. It is assumed
that readers already know of such sources, whether locally or online.


Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"robert roudman" <rcroudman@msn.com> wrote

According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, quality CD
and DVD discs will retain information for several tens of years. Quality
would be defined as those discs that use actual gold, and phthalocyanine
dye. Manufacturers of higher quality discs actually talk in terms of 50 to
100 years.
The article that you are presumably referring to
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/gipwog/StabilityStudy.pdf indeed says that
CD-R and DVD-R can be very stable - it says that results suggest that these
media types will ensure data is available for several tens of years and
therefore may be suitable for archival uses. It goes on to say that
unfortunately, it is very difficult for customers to identify these more
stable media.

It concludes that an archival quality grade is necessary and that a
Government Information Preservation Working Group is addressing this issue.
It says that a study is in progress between NIST and the Library of Congress
to determine the life expectancy of media and to develop a test for
manufacturers.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


Re: Saving data #general

Simon Tardell
 

While basically true, the recommendations cited ignore some fairly
important boundary conditions: Tape drives are expensive, and often have
a shorter lifespan than the tapes themselves. It is unlikely that many
people doing genealogy would get tape drives for their computers for the
sheer cost of it. In thirty years, even if the tapes are in principle
readable, the drives will likely be broken, and there won't be any
replacements to buy. The same basic truth holds about any removable
medium drive (diskettes, CD:s etc) except the time spans involved are
different.

The important insight is that backup is not a thing, but a process. If
you want to preserve data, you have to back them up repeatedly on
whatever medium is commodity at the moment (right now, CD-R/RW and
DVD-/+RW make a lot of sense). These won't last more than a few years,
so before that time, repeat. And do keep multiple copies in separate
locations, houses do burn down. Sending a dump of your data to
interested family every year is a way to do this.

Of course this is tedious. Backup is. There are companies that have
capitalized on this and provide backupped and reliable online storage.
They are probably on to something, so I recommend giving it a thought.
Of course, their house might burn down too, but there are also services
that are "nuclear bomb safe", that is, have redundant locations at large
distance >from one another. Generally, you get what you pay for. If you
buy such a service >from a company, don't forget to tell your family, so
the password etc is not lost when you pass on...

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden

Anita wrote:

I was reading this month's AARP bulletin (the American Assoc. of
Retired Persons) had a short blurb which stated that:
CD-R and CD-RW when recording music or videos have a life of 2-5
years. The "burning" of them actually shortens the life. I would
assume this applies to data recordings as well (I'm sure some IT
professionals out there will correct this assumption if needed).

The article recommends magnetic tape which can last 30 years. To the
person who asked about Webcor (and >from whom I just rec'd an email)
this means your tapes might still be viable as they are magnetic.