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Re: Le Droit de Seigneur #general

Richard Cooper <ricooper@...>
 

Those of you who have read this month's 'Shemot' (the journal
of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain) will have
read my mother's account of her grandmother Gitel LETZTER
from Rzeszow in Galicia (i.e.Austrian, not Russian Poland)
There is a family legend that one of Gitel's sisters was abducted
and raped by a local nobleman, who later returned her to the family
with a gold chain as compensation.
She was so traumatised that she died soon afterwards.
This would have occurred around 1870.
We had the chain until a burglar stole it in 1975.

Richard Cooper
Gosport, UK
LEZTER, RINENBERG & SALENDER >from Rzeszow & Kolbuszowa
MILLET & ENGELBERG >from Dabrowa Tarnowska & Lezajsk
ADLER & FINKELSTEIN >from Tarnopol
BORENSTEIN, MATELEVITCH and GODZINSKIJ >from Warsaw
LEWINSTEIN >from Berdichev
YAROSHEVSKY & SHAPOCHNIKOW >from Odessa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Le Droit de Seigneur #general

Richard Cooper <ricooper@...>
 

Those of you who have read this month's 'Shemot' (the journal
of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain) will have
read my mother's account of her grandmother Gitel LETZTER
from Rzeszow in Galicia (i.e.Austrian, not Russian Poland)
There is a family legend that one of Gitel's sisters was abducted
and raped by a local nobleman, who later returned her to the family
with a gold chain as compensation.
She was so traumatised that she died soon afterwards.
This would have occurred around 1870.
We had the chain until a burglar stole it in 1975.

Richard Cooper
Gosport, UK
LEZTER, RINENBERG & SALENDER >from Rzeszow & Kolbuszowa
MILLET & ENGELBERG >from Dabrowa Tarnowska & Lezajsk
ADLER & FINKELSTEIN >from Tarnopol
BORENSTEIN, MATELEVITCH and GODZINSKIJ >from Warsaw
LEWINSTEIN >from Berdichev
YAROSHEVSKY & SHAPOCHNIKOW >from Odessa


Kitzes Medzibez & Tultshin #ukraine

S. Yankovitsh <sam.vank2@...>
 

Hello,
Has anyone visited Medzibez? Gone to the cemetery there? Is somebody see
a tombstone with the name Kitzis or Kitzes exept the Rabbi kitzes?
Also, is somebody visited Tulyshin? Is somebody see a tombstone with
the name of Kitzis or Kitzes ?

Thanks,
S. Yankovitsh


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kitzes Medzibez & Tultshin #ukraine

S. Yankovitsh <sam.vank2@...>
 

Hello,
Has anyone visited Medzibez? Gone to the cemetery there? Is somebody see
a tombstone with the name Kitzis or Kitzes exept the Rabbi kitzes?
Also, is somebody visited Tulyshin? Is somebody see a tombstone with
the name of Kitzis or Kitzes ?

Thanks,
S. Yankovitsh


Re: Missing Manifest #ukraine

Kenneth Browne <kbrowne@...>
 

Shelly Crane(crzprncess@...) wrote in part:

...I was hoping to read the port of entry manifest >from Solomon and
Fanny Blechmen (arrived in NY on The Patricia out of Glasgow on March 29,
1909), to help figure out if she is related. Unfortunately, the
manifest that pop up appears to be the wrong one. I am unable to
locate the correct manifest....
In re immigration manifests: http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/

I was searching for a manifest at Ellis Island and found the transcribed
information with no problem, but the image did not match. I clicked
through the pages paying close attention to the date of arrival (which
info is given on the transcribed page)and the name of the vessel. It
took a while even with a broadband connection but eventually I got to
the correct image page. You need to be careful to click "forward" only,
if you click back (out of curiosity???) you may find yourself back at
the starting point!!!

I believe the reason is that somehow the indexing of the page images is
reversed. I've emailed the site and gotten no response as far as
correcting the problem. But with patience you might find what you're
looking for. And isn't that what genealogy is all about...patience. :-)

Ken Browne:
researching:

BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH
LACHMANN MROCH RUSSELL MORSE NOBLE GROVER GAMAGE


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Missing Manifest #ukraine

Kenneth Browne <kbrowne@...>
 

Shelly Crane(crzprncess@...) wrote in part:

...I was hoping to read the port of entry manifest >from Solomon and
Fanny Blechmen (arrived in NY on The Patricia out of Glasgow on March 29,
1909), to help figure out if she is related. Unfortunately, the
manifest that pop up appears to be the wrong one. I am unable to
locate the correct manifest....
In re immigration manifests: http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/

I was searching for a manifest at Ellis Island and found the transcribed
information with no problem, but the image did not match. I clicked
through the pages paying close attention to the date of arrival (which
info is given on the transcribed page)and the name of the vessel. It
took a while even with a broadband connection but eventually I got to
the correct image page. You need to be careful to click "forward" only,
if you click back (out of curiosity???) you may find yourself back at
the starting point!!!

I believe the reason is that somehow the indexing of the page images is
reversed. I've emailed the site and gotten no response as far as
correcting the problem. But with patience you might find what you're
looking for. And isn't that what genealogy is all about...patience. :-)

Ken Browne:
researching:

BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH
LACHMANN MROCH RUSSELL MORSE NOBLE GROVER GAMAGE


Berdichev Professional Directory #ukraine

Miccind@...
 

Seeking information relating to my great uncle (?) Ashkinazi who was a
dentist in Berdichev >from at least 1905 until murdered by the NAZI's in 1941.

Is anyone aware of a Professional Directory or listing for those years?

His sister Zelda (Alte), my maternal grandmother, immigrated to the U.S.
in 1907 with her children, but he refused to leave Russia.

Myron Freedman
Tucson, AZ
_miccind@... (mailto:miccind@...)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Berdichev Professional Directory #ukraine

Miccind@...
 

Seeking information relating to my great uncle (?) Ashkinazi who was a
dentist in Berdichev >from at least 1905 until murdered by the NAZI's in 1941.

Is anyone aware of a Professional Directory or listing for those years?

His sister Zelda (Alte), my maternal grandmother, immigrated to the U.S.
in 1907 with her children, but he refused to leave Russia.

Myron Freedman
Tucson, AZ
_miccind@... (mailto:miccind@...)


Re: Kiddish Cups and Synagogues in Our Shtetls #ukraine

Mel Werbach <mel@...>
 

A few years ago Dr. Ephron, former head of the Ein
Haron Museums and an expert in Jewish art and
inscriptions, looked at a picture of my grandfather's
kiddish cup. It is inscribed with the year of his
birth (1868) in Bazaliya, Volhynia guberniya and, like
your cup, also has a picture of a building inscribed
on it.

According to Dr. Ephron, this particular cup was
engraved about 1820 by Jewish craftsmen in the local
area. The building illustrated, however, was not a
synagogue but a typical Pravo-Slavonic church!

Dr. Ephron went on to explain that these stemless cups
were used as gifts among the Christians. Gentile
engravers belonged to a guild >from which Jewish
craftsmen were strictly excluded, but standard,
quickly-executed engraving jobs were given to the
Jewish engravers as such jobs were beneath the status
of the Guildsmen.

In other words, Jews (as least sometimes) bought their
kiddish cups >from Jewish engravers who had made them
for Christians.

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT, VERBUKH from
Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine;
AUZENBERG, LEWINOWSKI or LUDWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI,
SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki, Poland; MISHURSKY >from Kovne,
Lithuania


"J. Spring" <jspring@...> of Ontario, Canada writes, in part:

Does anyone know whether the stemless silver kiddush
cups made before the 1917 Revolution were made
locally rather than in bigger centres? I have a
kiddush cup, used in Kamen Kashirskiy, with the
outline of a building which looks like a wooden
synagogue that appears similar to the picture of the
synagogue in nearby Vladimir Volinsky........


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Kiddish Cups and Synagogues in Our Shtetls #ukraine

Mel Werbach <mel@...>
 

A few years ago Dr. Ephron, former head of the Ein
Haron Museums and an expert in Jewish art and
inscriptions, looked at a picture of my grandfather's
kiddish cup. It is inscribed with the year of his
birth (1868) in Bazaliya, Volhynia guberniya and, like
your cup, also has a picture of a building inscribed
on it.

According to Dr. Ephron, this particular cup was
engraved about 1820 by Jewish craftsmen in the local
area. The building illustrated, however, was not a
synagogue but a typical Pravo-Slavonic church!

Dr. Ephron went on to explain that these stemless cups
were used as gifts among the Christians. Gentile
engravers belonged to a guild >from which Jewish
craftsmen were strictly excluded, but standard,
quickly-executed engraving jobs were given to the
Jewish engravers as such jobs were beneath the status
of the Guildsmen.

In other words, Jews (as least sometimes) bought their
kiddish cups >from Jewish engravers who had made them
for Christians.

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT, VERBUKH from
Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine;
AUZENBERG, LEWINOWSKI or LUDWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI,
SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki, Poland; MISHURSKY >from Kovne,
Lithuania


"J. Spring" <jspring@...> of Ontario, Canada writes, in part:

Does anyone know whether the stemless silver kiddush
cups made before the 1917 Revolution were made
locally rather than in bigger centres? I have a
kiddush cup, used in Kamen Kashirskiy, with the
outline of a building which looks like a wooden
synagogue that appears similar to the picture of the
synagogue in nearby Vladimir Volinsky........


Marcus GREIF-SCHACHTER (second posting) #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

Concerning Marcus GREIF-SCHACHTER (or SCHECHTER),
born in Kolomyja (Poland) on 15 May 1894, since
my previous posting, I heard that he was probably
the son of Reyzel (Rechel) ROSENRAUCH f GREIF and
Szmil (Schmuel) SCH=C4CHTER. In this case, his=
siblings were Surach (born 1876), Rechel Chanzie
(born 1876-77), Itzig Sucher and Leisor Ber.
There may be survivors of this family in US or
Israel and I would be very interested in finding
them.

Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marcus GREIF-SCHACHTER (second posting) #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

Concerning Marcus GREIF-SCHACHTER (or SCHECHTER),
born in Kolomyja (Poland) on 15 May 1894, since
my previous posting, I heard that he was probably
the son of Reyzel (Rechel) ROSENRAUCH f GREIF and
Szmil (Schmuel) SCH=C4CHTER. In this case, his=
siblings were Surach (born 1876), Rechel Chanzie
(born 1876-77), Itzig Sucher and Leisor Ber.
There may be survivors of this family in US or
Israel and I would be very interested in finding
them.

Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Seeking:BREGMAN - BERGMAN, Poland - New York #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Do you recognize the following BERGMAN/BREGMAN family group? (Both the
family names were being used by them)

Father: Hyman Herman BERGMAN born probably 10 Apr 1881 in Pinsk, Poland
Married Leah born ca 1882 in Pland
Father Emigrated to the USA in 1910, wife and children followed in 1920

3 Children

1. Harry born 1905 in Poland

2. Shirley born possibly on 10 Dec 1907 in Poland, died 10 Dec 1928 in
Manhattan, death certificate #30350.

Shirley was a Stenographer/bookkeeper Worked for the Geringer (Gehringer)
Light and Fixture Co, 7th floor 71 Spring Street, Brooklyn.
She died when she fell to her Death as a Man Tried to Rob Her;
Leaps >from Elevator and Drops Four Stories


3. Helen born 1911

In 1928 the family lived in Brooklyn at 1625 Forty-third Street
Brooklyn later on probably at
Hyman and Leah Bregman were residing at 1167 52nd Street, Brooklyn in 1933
according to the 1933/34 Brooklyn City Directory. Hymans occupation was
listed as garment worker.

I am searching for any relatives of Harry and of Helen
Also the burial places of the parents and of Shirley

Can you help in any way please?
Can you suggest anyone else whom I can ask?

with thanks, and a healthy 2006

David Lewin
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking:BREGMAN - BERGMAN, Poland - New York #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Do you recognize the following BERGMAN/BREGMAN family group? (Both the
family names were being used by them)

Father: Hyman Herman BERGMAN born probably 10 Apr 1881 in Pinsk, Poland
Married Leah born ca 1882 in Pland
Father Emigrated to the USA in 1910, wife and children followed in 1920

3 Children

1. Harry born 1905 in Poland

2. Shirley born possibly on 10 Dec 1907 in Poland, died 10 Dec 1928 in
Manhattan, death certificate #30350.

Shirley was a Stenographer/bookkeeper Worked for the Geringer (Gehringer)
Light and Fixture Co, 7th floor 71 Spring Street, Brooklyn.
She died when she fell to her Death as a Man Tried to Rob Her;
Leaps >from Elevator and Drops Four Stories


3. Helen born 1911

In 1928 the family lived in Brooklyn at 1625 Forty-third Street
Brooklyn later on probably at
Hyman and Leah Bregman were residing at 1167 52nd Street, Brooklyn in 1933
according to the 1933/34 Brooklyn City Directory. Hymans occupation was
listed as garment worker.

I am searching for any relatives of Harry and of Helen
Also the burial places of the parents and of Shirley

Can you help in any way please?
Can you suggest anyone else whom I can ask?

with thanks, and a healthy 2006

David Lewin
London


The Rabbinical Center of Europe #general

Joan
 

Genners,

Has anyone every worked with The Rabbinical Center of
Europe?

A relative in Israel is thinking of contracting with
them to restore a cemetery in his home shtetl. I
wonder if anyone has used their services before and
can tell me about their experience.

Please respond privately.

Joan ADLER
Smithtown, NY

ADLER/SCHWAGER/ZWEIFLER - Ivano Frankivsk, Bolechow,
Nadworna, Solotwina


Re: Cheposh place name (in the Pale) #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Anton Valdin" wrote

I was not able to find out any place with any similar spelling in Ukraine.
Perhaps, anybody will give any idea how to go on with this damaged(I
believe) spelling?
Anton,

There is a town near Kolbuszowa in Poland (~10 miles NE >from Rzeszow) that
is known as Trzebos' [cheh bosh]. There was a Jewish population in this
shtetl prior to WWII.

But town was not a part of The Pale since it was located in Galicia, the
Austro-Hungarian Crown land.

Chanukah Sameach,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Rabbinical Center of Europe #general

Joan
 

Genners,

Has anyone every worked with The Rabbinical Center of
Europe?

A relative in Israel is thinking of contracting with
them to restore a cemetery in his home shtetl. I
wonder if anyone has used their services before and
can tell me about their experience.

Please respond privately.

Joan ADLER
Smithtown, NY

ADLER/SCHWAGER/ZWEIFLER - Ivano Frankivsk, Bolechow,
Nadworna, Solotwina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Cheposh place name (in the Pale) #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Anton Valdin" wrote

I was not able to find out any place with any similar spelling in Ukraine.
Perhaps, anybody will give any idea how to go on with this damaged(I
believe) spelling?
Anton,

There is a town near Kolbuszowa in Poland (~10 miles NE >from Rzeszow) that
is known as Trzebos' [cheh bosh]. There was a Jewish population in this
shtetl prior to WWII.

But town was not a part of The Pale since it was located in Galicia, the
Austro-Hungarian Crown land.

Chanukah Sameach,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Lucille Gudis #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

It is with deep sadness that the Jewish Genealogical Society announces the
untimely passing of former Vice President, 2006 IAJGS Conference Co-Chair,
longtime Executive Council member and member of the JewishGen Board of
Governors, Lucille Gudis. Her tireless and generous devotion to the Jewish
genealogical community, her genealogical expertise and inspiration, her
warmth and treasured friendship, will all be sorely missed. The Society
will be establishing a memorial fund in honor of Lucille; details will be
posted at our website (www.jgsny.org).

May the family of Lea Bat Sosha be consoled among the mourners of Zion and
Jerusalem.

Hadassah Lipsius
On behalf of the Jewish Genealogical Society (NY)
kesher@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Lucille Gudis #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

It is with deep sadness that the Jewish Genealogical Society announces the
untimely passing of former Vice President, 2006 IAJGS Conference Co-Chair,
longtime Executive Council member and member of the JewishGen Board of
Governors, Lucille Gudis. Her tireless and generous devotion to the Jewish
genealogical community, her genealogical expertise and inspiration, her
warmth and treasured friendship, will all be sorely missed. The Society
will be establishing a memorial fund in honor of Lucille; details will be
posted at our website (www.jgsny.org).

May the family of Lea Bat Sosha be consoled among the mourners of Zion and
Jerusalem.

Hadassah Lipsius
On behalf of the Jewish Genealogical Society (NY)
kesher@...