A great uncle of mine, Gustav GINSBERG(1872-1922),
qualified as a dentist in Germany, and on account of
his lack of British qualifications was not allowed to
practise in the British parts of South Africa before
and after the Anglo-Boer War. He did practise in the
Orange Free State (OFS :Harrismith and Bloemfontein)
between about 1896 and 1899.

Clearly, the regulations controlling dentistry in the
OFS differed >from those in the British governed
colonies. Can anyone enlighten me more on this topic,
please?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>

A great uncle of mine, Gustav GINSBERG(1872-1922),
qualified as a dentist in Germany, and on account of
his lack of British qualifications was not allowed to
practise in the British parts of South Africa before
and after the Anglo-Boer War. He did practise in the
Orange Free State (OFS :Harrismith and Bloemfontein)
between about 1896 and 1899.

Clearly, the regulations controlling dentistry in the
OFS differed >from those in the British governed
colonies. Can anyone enlighten me more on this topic,
please?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>

To reply to Adam Yamey's question below,

The Leviseur in question was probably Moritz
Leviseur(1842-1923) and the Ehrlich would have been
Wolf Ehrlich(died 1924). Their spouses, sisters Sophie
Baumann Leviseur and Helene Baumann Ehrlich were
relatives of mine. Moritz Leviseur was a businessman,
a founder of the Volks Hospital in Bloemfontein,
founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, and
active in the synagogue. Two of his sons, Herbert(b.
1891 and Ernest Alfred (b. 1888), were doctors, but
would have been too young in 1907 to have any
influence. Sophie Leviseur was an influential person
in her own right.

Wolf Ehrlich was a business man, senator for the
Orange Free State, three times mayor of Bloemfontein,
a founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, a
founder and president of the SA Jewish Board of
Deputies, president of the Jewish Congregation,
Portuguese Consul etc. None of his children were
doctors or dentists, as far as I know.

So in 1907 Moritz Leviseur and Wolf Ehrlich would have
been considered influential men in Bloemfontein, and a
good bet for assisting someone obtain permission to
practice dentistry. I should mention that my
grandmother, Frieda (nee Prager) Katz, qualified as a
dentist in Germany in 1918. She was the first woman
admitted to the medical school at Heidelberg
University. However, upon arrival in the Orange Free
State in 1919 she was not allowed to practice as a
dentist because South Africa did not have a reciprocal
relationship with Germany in these matters. Germany
did not recognize South African qualifications, so
South Africa would not recognize German ones.

For more information please contact me privately.

Amanda Katz Jermyn
Massachusetts, USA

Subject: EHRLICH/LEVISEUR - Dentistry in the Orange
River Colony.
From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:56 +0000 (GMT)

A distant relative of mine, Gustav GINSBERG
(1872-1922), who had qualified as a dentist in Germany
was attempting in 1907 to have his German
qualifications recognised by the British authorities
in the Orange River Colony (ORC). His brother Franz
GINSBERG, MLA wrote a letter on his behalf in which he
refers to,
"... a number of prominent men of the ORC can testify.
For instance Mr Ehrlich Mr Leviseur etc...".

To whom was Franz Ginsberg referring - ie which Mr
EHRLICH and LEVISEUR ?
Are they the persons mentioned on the SA SIG
website:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/communities/8/>,
or possibly some other people with those names?

Were there any dentists around in the ORC at this time
with these names?

Thanks in advance,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>

To reply to Adam Yamey's question below,

The Leviseur in question was probably Moritz
Leviseur(1842-1923) and the Ehrlich would have been
Wolf Ehrlich(died 1924). Their spouses, sisters Sophie
Baumann Leviseur and Helene Baumann Ehrlich were
relatives of mine. Moritz Leviseur was a businessman,
a founder of the Volks Hospital in Bloemfontein,
founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, and
active in the synagogue. Two of his sons, Herbert(b.
1891 and Ernest Alfred (b. 1888), were doctors, but
would have been too young in 1907 to have any
influence. Sophie Leviseur was an influential person
in her own right.

Wolf Ehrlich was a business man, senator for the
Orange Free State, three times mayor of Bloemfontein,
a founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, a
founder and president of the SA Jewish Board of
Deputies, president of the Jewish Congregation,
Portuguese Consul etc. None of his children were
doctors or dentists, as far as I know.

So in 1907 Moritz Leviseur and Wolf Ehrlich would have
been considered influential men in Bloemfontein, and a
good bet for assisting someone obtain permission to
practice dentistry. I should mention that my
grandmother, Frieda (nee Prager) Katz, qualified as a
dentist in Germany in 1918. She was the first woman
admitted to the medical school at Heidelberg
University. However, upon arrival in the Orange Free
State in 1919 she was not allowed to practice as a
dentist because South Africa did not have a reciprocal
relationship with Germany in these matters. Germany
did not recognize South African qualifications, so
South Africa would not recognize German ones.

For more information please contact me privately.

Amanda Katz Jermyn
Massachusetts, USA

Subject: EHRLICH/LEVISEUR - Dentistry in the Orange
River Colony.
From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:56 +0000 (GMT)

A distant relative of mine, Gustav GINSBERG
(1872-1922), who had qualified as a dentist in Germany
was attempting in 1907 to have his German
qualifications recognised by the British authorities
in the Orange River Colony (ORC). His brother Franz
GINSBERG, MLA wrote a letter on his behalf in which he
refers to,
"... a number of prominent men of the ORC can testify.
For instance Mr Ehrlich Mr Leviseur etc...".

To whom was Franz Ginsberg referring - ie which Mr
EHRLICH and LEVISEUR ?
Are they the persons mentioned on the SA SIG
website:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/communities/8/>,
or possibly some other people with those names?

Were there any dentists around in the ORC at this time
with these names?

Thanks in advance,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>

Dear group,
There is irony in this development that there are, in fact, many FHCs
in England.

A few months ago, I was approached by someone asking for research
help, since we potentially shared a common surname and locale. He
failed to note where he was, and I assumed he was in my country,
which happens to be the US.

As we corresponded back and forth, I suggested he check certain
microfilms which could be ordered >from his local FHC. At that point,
he told me there were no FHCs in England, where he was. . . .

To be graceful, I was the one to apologize for assuming he was in the
US, and I (of course) said I'd help by checking the films.

I've been busy since then, and haven't had a chance to check his
records, but now I'm not sorry. This gets to the heart of our asking
those who post queries where they are: why should I take my valuable
time to check records for someone who is perfectly capable of
checking his own records, so is either ignorant or a schnorrer? He
didn't ask what a FHC was, or try to find out where his nearest one
was - he told me there were none in England. And I believed him,
more the fool I.

Hilary Henkin

Dear group,
There is irony in this development that there are, in fact, many FHCs
in England.

A few months ago, I was approached by someone asking for research
help, since we potentially shared a common surname and locale. He
failed to note where he was, and I assumed he was in my country,
which happens to be the US.

As we corresponded back and forth, I suggested he check certain
microfilms which could be ordered >from his local FHC. At that point,
he told me there were no FHCs in England, where he was. . . .

To be graceful, I was the one to apologize for assuming he was in the
US, and I (of course) said I'd help by checking the films.

I've been busy since then, and haven't had a chance to check his
records, but now I'm not sorry. This gets to the heart of our asking
those who post queries where they are: why should I take my valuable
time to check records for someone who is perfectly capable of
checking his own records, so is either ignorant or a schnorrer? He
didn't ask what a FHC was, or try to find out where his nearest one
was - he told me there were none in England. And I believed him,
more the fool I.

Hilary Henkin

Howie Axelrod asked: "Need tel # of XXXXXX Y. ZZZZZZZ in Visalia, CA. Can
anyone assist?"

We have had many replies on this question directing us to various sites, yet the
replies left me reeling!

I really wonder if I am the only one who finds a big paradox/double standards at
play here. On the one hand, there is a discussion on whether someone should, or
should not, reveal the country and/or their town of residence or whether we
should respect their right to privacy. We are not even allowed to give a house
number on this forum. Three weeks ago, I was openly criticised, for even
quoting a JGFF researcher # [I did not even mention a name!]. A correspondent
wrote in to say it was in "bad taste" to look for this researcher in a posting.

Now to my amazement, we have a step-by-step instruction manual in a posting on
how to find the telephone # and email address of a named person [I am too
discreet to repeat the name!]. Moreover, this person probably has no idea that
this analysis is taking place and indeed they may be most displeased!

This is genealogical forum and I agree we should all share our genealogical
tricks to help reveal secrets of our ancestors but when it comes to personal
telephone numbers and addresses of living people, I feel [and I may be in the
minority!] that a private reply is the correct procedure.

I have sent step-by-step instruction manuals to the Austria-Czech SIG before,
indeed also to this Discussion Group, but they have been about how to tackle
difficult databases! Today I have found a *hidden* person in a cemetery database
and various tricks were involved and I may write about them - the date was
nearly 100 years ago. But were the result of my quest a telephone # in
California today - no way would I tell the world at large.

Now that, to me, really is *bad taste*.

Celia Male [U.K.]

MODERATOR NOTE: We don't post full addresses or telephone numbers that are less
than 72 years old. We discourage the posting of random information about
random individuals, no matter how old the information is, but encourage the
posting of information about "how to find information" about family members.

Howie Axelrod asked: "Need tel # of XXXXXX Y. ZZZZZZZ in Visalia, CA. Can
anyone assist?"

We have had many replies on this question directing us to various sites, yet the
replies left me reeling!

I really wonder if I am the only one who finds a big paradox/double standards at
play here. On the one hand, there is a discussion on whether someone should, or
should not, reveal the country and/or their town of residence or whether we
should respect their right to privacy. We are not even allowed to give a house
number on this forum. Three weeks ago, I was openly criticised, for even
quoting a JGFF researcher # [I did not even mention a name!]. A correspondent
wrote in to say it was in "bad taste" to look for this researcher in a posting.

Now to my amazement, we have a step-by-step instruction manual in a posting on
how to find the telephone # and email address of a named person [I am too
discreet to repeat the name!]. Moreover, this person probably has no idea that
this analysis is taking place and indeed they may be most displeased!

This is genealogical forum and I agree we should all share our genealogical
tricks to help reveal secrets of our ancestors but when it comes to personal
telephone numbers and addresses of living people, I feel [and I may be in the
minority!] that a private reply is the correct procedure.

I have sent step-by-step instruction manuals to the Austria-Czech SIG before,
indeed also to this Discussion Group, but they have been about how to tackle
difficult databases! Today I have found a *hidden* person in a cemetery database
and various tricks were involved and I may write about them - the date was
nearly 100 years ago. But were the result of my quest a telephone # in
California today - no way would I tell the world at large.

Now that, to me, really is *bad taste*.

Celia Male [U.K.]

MODERATOR NOTE: We don't post full addresses or telephone numbers that are less
than 72 years old. We discourage the posting of random information about
random individuals, no matter how old the information is, but encourage the
posting of information about "how to find information" about family members.

Does anyone know whether the Jewish cemetery in Tysmienitsa still
exists? The town was in Poland prior to WW II and is probably in the
Ukraine now -- but I'm not sure. The town is just south of Stanislawow.

Thanks,

Bernie Bloom

Does anyone know whether the Jewish cemetery in Tysmienitsa still
exists? The town was in Poland prior to WW II and is probably in the
Ukraine now -- but I'm not sure. The town is just south of Stanislawow.

Thanks,

Bernie Bloom

Here's a family I don't belong to - I thought I did. In case it helps anyone:

Harry (Hirsch) DROSE
Russia; Watch Repairer and Jeweller;
56, Ickburgh Road, Clapton, London.
25 April, 1924

Children of Harry (Hirsch) DROSE and (Lily) SANDEMAN are:
i. Hannah Gertrude DROSE, b. December 11, 1912, Whitechapel
1c 452; d. St Peter's Hospital, Whitechapel. 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel,
myocardial degeneration
ii. Jacob DROSE, b. July 3, 1914, 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel.
iii. Lily DROSE, b. July 20, 1916, Whitechapel 1c 390.
iv. Esther DROSE, b. April 21, 1918, born at 16, Genighan St,
Reading 2c 575.

Best-Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

searching:SANDMAN (NY) SHAPIRO (Chicago)

Here's a family I don't belong to - I thought I did. In case it helps anyone:

Harry (Hirsch) DROSE
Russia; Watch Repairer and Jeweller;
56, Ickburgh Road, Clapton, London.
25 April, 1924

Children of Harry (Hirsch) DROSE and (Lily) SANDEMAN are:
i. Hannah Gertrude DROSE, b. December 11, 1912, Whitechapel
1c 452; d. St Peter's Hospital, Whitechapel. 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel,
myocardial degeneration
ii. Jacob DROSE, b. July 3, 1914, 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel.
iii. Lily DROSE, b. July 20, 1916, Whitechapel 1c 390.
iv. Esther DROSE, b. April 21, 1918, born at 16, Genighan St,
Reading 2c 575.

Best-Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

searching:SANDMAN (NY) SHAPIRO (Chicago)

Adele

This exhibit has a web page - http://www.stanleykubrick.de/

Choose a language then you will enter the site. Choose the link at the top of
the page marked friends and supporters.

Christiane Kubrick has a website here http://www.christianekubrick.com/

you could write to her with the contact us link.

Alternatively, you could just call the "Australian Centre for the Moving Image"
by phone, and ask if someone in charge of the exhibit can help you.

I hope you can get in touch with someone who can help you.

Lisa Lepore

Adele

This exhibit has a web page - http://www.stanleykubrick.de/

Choose a language then you will enter the site. Choose the link at the top of
the page marked friends and supporters.

Christiane Kubrick has a website here http://www.christianekubrick.com/

you could write to her with the contact us link.

Alternatively, you could just call the "Australian Centre for the Moving Image"
by phone, and ask if someone in charge of the exhibit can help you.

I hope you can get in touch with someone who can help you.

Lisa Lepore

I think I may have answered this myself. A closer look makes me think
the entry may read, "Loguer," which I take to be "boarder."

Joy Weaver,
East Islip, NY

Joy Weaver wrote:

I think I may have answered this myself. A closer look makes me think
the entry may read, "Loguer," which I take to be "boarder."

Joy Weaver,
East Islip, NY

Joy Weaver wrote:

My family is descended >from haRav Avraham Abba, who is first
mentioned in a family document in the marriage certificate of his
son Shaya. Shaya married in Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland on
December 12, 1815. The rabbi, his father, was apparently alive at
the time, but was not present at the wedding, and was represented by
his brother, Shmuel ben Shlomo. In the certificate, Shaya signed
himself as "Shaya ben kavod haRav Rabbi Avraham Abba." Shaya was in
his 20s at the time. When his 5th son was born on January 27, 1825,
he named him Avraham Abba, so the Rabbi seems to have died sometime
between the fourth son's birth on June 23, 1823 and 1825. Shaya was
the first in our family to use the surname RUBINOWICZ, having
earlier used the patronymic ABRAMOWICZ. After their five sons,
Shaya and his wife Fraidl had four daughters. I am descended from
their son Avraham Abba, who in turn had a grandson also named
Avraham Abba, who was my grandfather.

I am looking for more information about Rabbi Avraham Abba. One
possibility is that he may be the Reb Abbale mentioned in the story
about the succession to Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchak of Pshischa (in
Polish, Przysucha), the Yid haKodesh, who died in 1814. It is said
that Reb Abbale was first chosen to be the successor, but he
declined. Rabbi Simcha Bunim was then chosen, in 1815. I wonder if
this Reb Abbale may have been Rabbi Avraham Abba. Any information
will be much appreciated.

Stephen Rabinowitz, MD
Great Neck, NY

Researching:
RUBINOWICZ/RABINOWITZ - Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland ; ROZENSZTEIN -
Belchatow and Brzeznica, Poland ; GETREU & BIERMAN - Sambor,
Galicia, Ukraine ; FURMAN (Cohanim) - Zakliczyn, Galicia, Poland ;
KUCZYNSKI - Wloclawek & Warsaw, Poland (Gerrer Chasidim) ;
NICKIN/NITZKIN - Mlawa, Poland ; FRANZOS, ENGEL, SOMMERSTEIN, BRAUDE
- Tarnopol, Galicia, Ukraine

My family is descended >from haRav Avraham Abba, who is first
mentioned in a family document in the marriage certificate of his
son Shaya. Shaya married in Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland on
December 12, 1815. The rabbi, his father, was apparently alive at
the time, but was not present at the wedding, and was represented by
his brother, Shmuel ben Shlomo. In the certificate, Shaya signed
himself as "Shaya ben kavod haRav Rabbi Avraham Abba." Shaya was in
his 20s at the time. When his 5th son was born on January 27, 1825,
he named him Avraham Abba, so the Rabbi seems to have died sometime
between the fourth son's birth on June 23, 1823 and 1825. Shaya was
the first in our family to use the surname RUBINOWICZ, having
earlier used the patronymic ABRAMOWICZ. After their five sons,
Shaya and his wife Fraidl had four daughters. I am descended from
their son Avraham Abba, who in turn had a grandson also named
Avraham Abba, who was my grandfather.

I am looking for more information about Rabbi Avraham Abba. One
possibility is that he may be the Reb Abbale mentioned in the story
about the succession to Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchak of Pshischa (in
Polish, Przysucha), the Yid haKodesh, who died in 1814. It is said
that Reb Abbale was first chosen to be the successor, but he
declined. Rabbi Simcha Bunim was then chosen, in 1815. I wonder if
this Reb Abbale may have been Rabbi Avraham Abba. Any information
will be much appreciated.

Stephen Rabinowitz, MD
Great Neck, NY

Researching:
RUBINOWICZ/RABINOWITZ - Piotrkow Trybunalski, Poland ; ROZENSZTEIN -
Belchatow and Brzeznica, Poland ; GETREU & BIERMAN - Sambor,
Galicia, Ukraine ; FURMAN (Cohanim) - Zakliczyn, Galicia, Poland ;
KUCZYNSKI - Wloclawek & Warsaw, Poland (Gerrer Chasidim) ;
NICKIN/NITZKIN - Mlawa, Poland ; FRANZOS, ENGEL, SOMMERSTEIN, BRAUDE
- Tarnopol, Galicia, Ukraine

Dear All,

Haven't made any headway in the last few months in my research,so I
thought I would ask if anyone possibly has come across any info for
me. Family name STROHLI or STROLI are related to STEIN /KLEIN from
Transylvania Mountains 1850-1940s -- towns mentioned are Bonifhodead
and Erdeshenzurt, Cluj and Ziebenbergen,Hodod and Heilmu.

Looking for a connection to a Rabbi Peretz Tuvia STEIN (or Peretz
Feelder as he was known, >from the town of Fueld?) who had a yeshiva
in Bonifhodead. All the above families state that they are
descended >from Rabbi Yosef KARO, author of the Shulchan Aruch.

If you have anything to share or guidance where to look, I will be
grateful.

Mrs. M. Sapirman
Toronto

Dear All,

Haven't made any headway in the last few months in my research,so I
thought I would ask if anyone possibly has come across any info for
me. Family name STROHLI or STROLI are related to STEIN /KLEIN from
Transylvania Mountains 1850-1940s -- towns mentioned are Bonifhodead
and Erdeshenzurt, Cluj and Ziebenbergen,Hodod and Heilmu.

Looking for a connection to a Rabbi Peretz Tuvia STEIN (or Peretz
Feelder as he was known, >from the town of Fueld?) who had a yeshiva
in Bonifhodead. All the above families state that they are
descended >from Rabbi Yosef KARO, author of the Shulchan Aruch.

If you have anything to share or guidance where to look, I will be
grateful.

Mrs. M. Sapirman
Toronto