the wrong Abraham HERMAN
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JGyori@...
I have a copy of the death certificate for Abraham HERMAN, Certificate #
1726, Bronx, New York. He died 9 February, 1919 at Lincoln Hospital. He lived at 1037 Teller Avenue. He was born in Russia and had been in New York for 24 years. His father was Israel Herman and his mother was Sophie (maiden name unknown) He is buried in the United Hebrew Cemetery. I called they for verification and he was buried by the Order of Brith Abraham Burial Society. He is in Block 39, Row 4, Grave 29. He is not the Abraham Herman I was looking for. Turns out mine died July 1917 in Manhattan! I would be happy it to send this out to anyone who might be related. Judi Gyori Missel Mesa, Arizona Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN, SCHONSTEIN, ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar, Kerescsend, Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina. SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen the wrong Abraham HERMAN
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JGyori@...
I have a copy of the death certificate for Abraham HERMAN, Certificate #
1726, Bronx, New York. He died 9 February, 1919 at Lincoln Hospital. He lived at 1037 Teller Avenue. He was born in Russia and had been in New York for 24 years. His father was Israel Herman and his mother was Sophie (maiden name unknown) He is buried in the United Hebrew Cemetery. I called they for verification and he was buried by the Order of Brith Abraham Burial Society. He is in Block 39, Row 4, Grave 29. He is not the Abraham Herman I was looking for. Turns out mine died July 1917 in Manhattan! I would be happy it to send this out to anyone who might be related. Judi Gyori Missel Mesa, Arizona Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN, SCHONSTEIN, ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar, Kerescsend, Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina. SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia
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Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree
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Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
Any system that works for you, that you can apply consistently and that permits
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While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree
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Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
Any system that works for you, that you can apply consistently and that permits
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you to navigate your tree and review support documentation, and that you can clearly explain to others who might use your database, is "correct". Peter Zavon Penfield, NY "Carolyn Lea" <clea@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
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re saying where you are
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Shelly Crane
Dear Genners, There are all kinds of reasons some of us may choose not
to put down our location and that includes personal experience and safety. Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't read all the posts yet. As a victim of identity theft, I am extremely cautious giving out details about myself that are posted in a public forum. Keep in mind, these emails are kept in archives and can be found anytime in the future. Not that I would expect JewishGen to be a source of identity theft, however having lived through the torturous experience of reclaiming my name, identity and credit, I'm very paranoid about providing private information in a public record. I for one, might provide my specific location in private email exchange, but not in a public archived forum. We can still exchange family information even if we don't have a clue where each of us lives. Yes, I understand there are web sites abound that list address, phone number etc, but I can't do anything about those. However, I can at least not contribute to adding personal details to the world wide web. I am also familiar with a single mom (who shall remain anonymous, per her request) who refuses to enter her location because she was stalked by a stranger and was forced to move to a new town. She does not list her location for the safety of herself and her children. While I understand this kind of situation is very rare, the point I'm trying to make is that we all bring to the table our own personal experiences, so lets not jump the gun and make assumptions the person is being rude and simply not following the rules. There may be a very good reason. Besides, I honestly can't understand why anyone cares where I live -rules or no rules! So as a woman, I feel quite strongly for my personal safety that I simply don't want to post my location on any public forum. If the rules state that we have to list a city, maybe it's time to make some changes and provide more flexibility. Lastly, for those of you who choose not to contact us more private Genners because you want to know where we live and we choose not to tell you, then you risk never knowing if we hold the missing link to your family tree!!! Best regards, Shelly Crane USA Names I am researching: Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BRIKMAN, CUKERBRAUM, DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ, WAJNBERG, WRUBEL Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FISCHER, GITERMAN, GLASS, KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO, PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER Mike Posnick <mpoz@earthlink.net> wrote: MODERATOR NOTE; This posting has been allowed because of the mention ofYou're not alone. . . Indeed, I never respond to e-mailinquiries or listings in the Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF) identity theft, a point not previously raised.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re saying where you are
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Shelly Crane
Dear Genners, There are all kinds of reasons some of us may choose not
to put down our location and that includes personal experience and safety. Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't read all the posts yet. As a victim of identity theft, I am extremely cautious giving out details about myself that are posted in a public forum. Keep in mind, these emails are kept in archives and can be found anytime in the future. Not that I would expect JewishGen to be a source of identity theft, however having lived through the torturous experience of reclaiming my name, identity and credit, I'm very paranoid about providing private information in a public record. I for one, might provide my specific location in private email exchange, but not in a public archived forum. We can still exchange family information even if we don't have a clue where each of us lives. Yes, I understand there are web sites abound that list address, phone number etc, but I can't do anything about those. However, I can at least not contribute to adding personal details to the world wide web. I am also familiar with a single mom (who shall remain anonymous, per her request) who refuses to enter her location because she was stalked by a stranger and was forced to move to a new town. She does not list her location for the safety of herself and her children. While I understand this kind of situation is very rare, the point I'm trying to make is that we all bring to the table our own personal experiences, so lets not jump the gun and make assumptions the person is being rude and simply not following the rules. There may be a very good reason. Besides, I honestly can't understand why anyone cares where I live -rules or no rules! So as a woman, I feel quite strongly for my personal safety that I simply don't want to post my location on any public forum. If the rules state that we have to list a city, maybe it's time to make some changes and provide more flexibility. Lastly, for those of you who choose not to contact us more private Genners because you want to know where we live and we choose not to tell you, then you risk never knowing if we hold the missing link to your family tree!!! Best regards, Shelly Crane USA Names I am researching: Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BRIKMAN, CUKERBRAUM, DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ, WAJNBERG, WRUBEL Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FISCHER, GITERMAN, GLASS, KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO, PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER Mike Posnick <mpoz@earthlink.net> wrote: MODERATOR NOTE; This posting has been allowed because of the mention ofYou're not alone. . . Indeed, I never respond to e-mailinquiries or listings in the Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF) identity theft, a point not previously raised.
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Dentistry in Orange Free State, 1896-1899: GINSBERG
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Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
A great uncle of mine, Gustav GINSBERG(1872-1922),
qualified as a dentist in Germany, and on account of his lack of British qualifications was not allowed to practise in the British parts of South Africa before and after the Anglo-Boer War. He did practise in the Orange Free State (OFS :Harrismith and Bloemfontein) between about 1896 and 1899. Clearly, the regulations controlling dentistry in the OFS differed >from those in the British governed colonies. Can anyone enlighten me more on this topic, please? Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Dentistry in Orange Free State, 1896-1899: GINSBERG
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Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
A great uncle of mine, Gustav GINSBERG(1872-1922),
qualified as a dentist in Germany, and on account of his lack of British qualifications was not allowed to practise in the British parts of South Africa before and after the Anglo-Boer War. He did practise in the Orange Free State (OFS :Harrismith and Bloemfontein) between about 1896 and 1899. Clearly, the regulations controlling dentistry in the OFS differed >from those in the British governed colonies. Can anyone enlighten me more on this topic, please? Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
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Which Leviseur and Ehrlich
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Amanda Jermyn <astrogirl200@...>
To reply to Adam Yamey's question below,
The Leviseur in question was probably Moritz Leviseur(1842-1923) and the Ehrlich would have been Wolf Ehrlich(died 1924). Their spouses, sisters Sophie Baumann Leviseur and Helene Baumann Ehrlich were relatives of mine. Moritz Leviseur was a businessman, a founder of the Volks Hospital in Bloemfontein, founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, and active in the synagogue. Two of his sons, Herbert(b. 1891 and Ernest Alfred (b. 1888), were doctors, but would have been too young in 1907 to have any influence. Sophie Leviseur was an influential person in her own right. Wolf Ehrlich was a business man, senator for the Orange Free State, three times mayor of Bloemfontein, a founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, a founder and president of the SA Jewish Board of Deputies, president of the Jewish Congregation, Portuguese Consul etc. None of his children were doctors or dentists, as far as I know. So in 1907 Moritz Leviseur and Wolf Ehrlich would have been considered influential men in Bloemfontein, and a good bet for assisting someone obtain permission to practice dentistry. I should mention that my grandmother, Frieda (nee Prager) Katz, qualified as a dentist in Germany in 1918. She was the first woman admitted to the medical school at Heidelberg University. However, upon arrival in the Orange Free State in 1919 she was not allowed to practice as a dentist because South Africa did not have a reciprocal relationship with Germany in these matters. Germany did not recognize South African qualifications, so South Africa would not recognize German ones. For more information please contact me privately. Amanda Katz Jermyn Massachusetts, USA Subject: EHRLICH/LEVISEUR - Dentistry in the Orange River Colony. From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:56 +0000 (GMT) A distant relative of mine, Gustav GINSBERG (1872-1922), who had qualified as a dentist in Germany was attempting in 1907 to have his German qualifications recognised by the British authorities in the Orange River Colony (ORC). His brother Franz GINSBERG, MLA wrote a letter on his behalf in which he refers to, "... a number of prominent men of the ORC can testify. For instance Mr Ehrlich Mr Leviseur etc...". To whom was Franz Ginsberg referring - ie which Mr EHRLICH and LEVISEUR ? Are they the persons mentioned on the SA SIG website: <http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/communities/8/>, or possibly some other people with those names? Were there any dentists around in the ORC at this time with these names? Thanks in advance, Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Which Leviseur and Ehrlich
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Amanda Jermyn <astrogirl200@...>
To reply to Adam Yamey's question below,
The Leviseur in question was probably Moritz Leviseur(1842-1923) and the Ehrlich would have been Wolf Ehrlich(died 1924). Their spouses, sisters Sophie Baumann Leviseur and Helene Baumann Ehrlich were relatives of mine. Moritz Leviseur was a businessman, a founder of the Volks Hospital in Bloemfontein, founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, and active in the synagogue. Two of his sons, Herbert(b. 1891 and Ernest Alfred (b. 1888), were doctors, but would have been too young in 1907 to have any influence. Sophie Leviseur was an influential person in her own right. Wolf Ehrlich was a business man, senator for the Orange Free State, three times mayor of Bloemfontein, a founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, a founder and president of the SA Jewish Board of Deputies, president of the Jewish Congregation, Portuguese Consul etc. None of his children were doctors or dentists, as far as I know. So in 1907 Moritz Leviseur and Wolf Ehrlich would have been considered influential men in Bloemfontein, and a good bet for assisting someone obtain permission to practice dentistry. I should mention that my grandmother, Frieda (nee Prager) Katz, qualified as a dentist in Germany in 1918. She was the first woman admitted to the medical school at Heidelberg University. However, upon arrival in the Orange Free State in 1919 she was not allowed to practice as a dentist because South Africa did not have a reciprocal relationship with Germany in these matters. Germany did not recognize South African qualifications, so South Africa would not recognize German ones. For more information please contact me privately. Amanda Katz Jermyn Massachusetts, USA Subject: EHRLICH/LEVISEUR - Dentistry in the Orange River Colony. From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:56 +0000 (GMT) A distant relative of mine, Gustav GINSBERG (1872-1922), who had qualified as a dentist in Germany was attempting in 1907 to have his German qualifications recognised by the British authorities in the Orange River Colony (ORC). His brother Franz GINSBERG, MLA wrote a letter on his behalf in which he refers to, "... a number of prominent men of the ORC can testify. For instance Mr Ehrlich Mr Leviseur etc...". To whom was Franz Ginsberg referring - ie which Mr EHRLICH and LEVISEUR ? Are they the persons mentioned on the SA SIG website: <http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/communities/8/>, or possibly some other people with those names? Were there any dentists around in the ORC at this time with these names? Thanks in advance, Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
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Re: LDS Family History Centres in England
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Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
Dear group,
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There is irony in this development that there are, in fact, many FHCs in England. A few months ago, I was approached by someone asking for research help, since we potentially shared a common surname and locale. He failed to note where he was, and I assumed he was in my country, which happens to be the US. As we corresponded back and forth, I suggested he check certain microfilms which could be ordered >from his local FHC. At that point, he told me there were no FHCs in England, where he was. . . . To be graceful, I was the one to apologize for assuming he was in the US, and I (of course) said I'd help by checking the films. I've been busy since then, and haven't had a chance to check his records, but now I'm not sorry. This gets to the heart of our asking those who post queries where they are: why should I take my valuable time to check records for someone who is perfectly capable of checking his own records, so is either ignorant or a schnorrer? He didn't ask what a FHC was, or try to find out where his nearest one was - he told me there were none in England. And I believed him, more the fool I. Hilary Henkin
At 03:38 AM 1/27/2006, Jerry Goldbloom wrote:
There are at least two LDS Family History Centres in England and
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS Family History Centres in England
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Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
Dear group,
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There is irony in this development that there are, in fact, many FHCs in England. A few months ago, I was approached by someone asking for research help, since we potentially shared a common surname and locale. He failed to note where he was, and I assumed he was in my country, which happens to be the US. As we corresponded back and forth, I suggested he check certain microfilms which could be ordered >from his local FHC. At that point, he told me there were no FHCs in England, where he was. . . . To be graceful, I was the one to apologize for assuming he was in the US, and I (of course) said I'd help by checking the films. I've been busy since then, and haven't had a chance to check his records, but now I'm not sorry. This gets to the heart of our asking those who post queries where they are: why should I take my valuable time to check records for someone who is perfectly capable of checking his own records, so is either ignorant or a schnorrer? He didn't ask what a FHC was, or try to find out where his nearest one was - he told me there were none in England. And I believed him, more the fool I. Hilary Henkin
At 03:38 AM 1/27/2006, Jerry Goldbloom wrote:
There are at least two LDS Family History Centres in England and
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Re: search before posting...telephone
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Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Howie Axelrod asked: "Need tel # of XXXXXX Y. ZZZZZZZ in Visalia, CA. Can
anyone assist?" We have had many replies on this question directing us to various sites, yet the replies left me reeling! I really wonder if I am the only one who finds a big paradox/double standards at play here. On the one hand, there is a discussion on whether someone should, or should not, reveal the country and/or their town of residence or whether we should respect their right to privacy. We are not even allowed to give a house number on this forum. Three weeks ago, I was openly criticised, for even quoting a JGFF researcher # [I did not even mention a name!]. A correspondent wrote in to say it was in "bad taste" to look for this researcher in a posting. Now to my amazement, we have a step-by-step instruction manual in a posting on how to find the telephone # and email address of a named person [I am too discreet to repeat the name!]. Moreover, this person probably has no idea that this analysis is taking place and indeed they may be most displeased! This is genealogical forum and I agree we should all share our genealogical tricks to help reveal secrets of our ancestors but when it comes to personal telephone numbers and addresses of living people, I feel [and I may be in the minority!] that a private reply is the correct procedure. I have sent step-by-step instruction manuals to the Austria-Czech SIG before, indeed also to this Discussion Group, but they have been about how to tackle difficult databases! Today I have found a *hidden* person in a cemetery database and various tricks were involved and I may write about them - the date was nearly 100 years ago. But were the result of my quest a telephone # in California today - no way would I tell the world at large. Now that, to me, really is *bad taste*. Celia Male [U.K.] MODERATOR NOTE: We don't post full addresses or telephone numbers that are less than 72 years old. We discourage the posting of random information about random individuals, no matter how old the information is, but encourage the posting of information about "how to find information" about family members.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re:search before posting...telephone
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Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Howie Axelrod asked: "Need tel # of XXXXXX Y. ZZZZZZZ in Visalia, CA. Can
anyone assist?" We have had many replies on this question directing us to various sites, yet the replies left me reeling! I really wonder if I am the only one who finds a big paradox/double standards at play here. On the one hand, there is a discussion on whether someone should, or should not, reveal the country and/or their town of residence or whether we should respect their right to privacy. We are not even allowed to give a house number on this forum. Three weeks ago, I was openly criticised, for even quoting a JGFF researcher # [I did not even mention a name!]. A correspondent wrote in to say it was in "bad taste" to look for this researcher in a posting. Now to my amazement, we have a step-by-step instruction manual in a posting on how to find the telephone # and email address of a named person [I am too discreet to repeat the name!]. Moreover, this person probably has no idea that this analysis is taking place and indeed they may be most displeased! This is genealogical forum and I agree we should all share our genealogical tricks to help reveal secrets of our ancestors but when it comes to personal telephone numbers and addresses of living people, I feel [and I may be in the minority!] that a private reply is the correct procedure. I have sent step-by-step instruction manuals to the Austria-Czech SIG before, indeed also to this Discussion Group, but they have been about how to tackle difficult databases! Today I have found a *hidden* person in a cemetery database and various tricks were involved and I may write about them - the date was nearly 100 years ago. But were the result of my quest a telephone # in California today - no way would I tell the world at large. Now that, to me, really is *bad taste*. Celia Male [U.K.] MODERATOR NOTE: We don't post full addresses or telephone numbers that are less than 72 years old. We discourage the posting of random information about random individuals, no matter how old the information is, but encourage the posting of information about "how to find information" about family members.
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Jewish cemetery in Tysmienitsa
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Joan and Bernie Bloom <jobbloom@...>
Does anyone know whether the Jewish cemetery in Tysmienitsa still
exists? The town was in Poland prior to WW II and is probably in the Ukraine now -- but I'm not sure. The town is just south of Stanislawow. Thanks, Bernie Bloom
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish cemetery in Tysmienitsa
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Joan and Bernie Bloom <jobbloom@...>
Does anyone know whether the Jewish cemetery in Tysmienitsa still
exists? The town was in Poland prior to WW II and is probably in the Ukraine now -- but I'm not sure. The town is just south of Stanislawow. Thanks, Bernie Bloom
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DROSE in UK
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Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
Here's a family I don't belong to - I thought I did. In case it helps anyone:
Harry (Hirsch) DROSE Russia; Watch Repairer and Jeweller; 56, Ickburgh Road, Clapton, London. 25 April, 1924 Children of Harry (Hirsch) DROSE and (Lily) SANDEMAN are: i. Hannah Gertrude DROSE, b. December 11, 1912, Whitechapel 1c 452; d. St Peter's Hospital, Whitechapel. 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel, myocardial degeneration ii. Jacob DROSE, b. July 3, 1914, 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel. iii. Lily DROSE, b. July 20, 1916, Whitechapel 1c 390. iv. Esther DROSE, b. April 21, 1918, born at 16, Genighan St, Reading 2c 575. Best-Miriam Margolyes Santa Monica searching:SANDMAN (NY) SHAPIRO (Chicago)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DROSE in UK
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Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
Here's a family I don't belong to - I thought I did. In case it helps anyone:
Harry (Hirsch) DROSE Russia; Watch Repairer and Jeweller; 56, Ickburgh Road, Clapton, London. 25 April, 1924 Children of Harry (Hirsch) DROSE and (Lily) SANDEMAN are: i. Hannah Gertrude DROSE, b. December 11, 1912, Whitechapel 1c 452; d. St Peter's Hospital, Whitechapel. 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel, myocardial degeneration ii. Jacob DROSE, b. July 3, 1914, 37 Fieldgate St, Whitechapel. iii. Lily DROSE, b. July 20, 1916, Whitechapel 1c 390. iv. Esther DROSE, b. April 21, 1918, born at 16, Genighan St, Reading 2c 575. Best-Miriam Margolyes Santa Monica searching:SANDMAN (NY) SHAPIRO (Chicago)
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Re: Stanley Kubrick exhibition
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Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
Adele
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This exhibit has a web page - http://www.stanleykubrick.de/ Choose a language then you will enter the site. Choose the link at the top of the page marked friends and supporters. Christiane Kubrick has a website here http://www.christianekubrick.com/ you could write to her with the contact us link. Alternatively, you could just call the "Australian Centre for the Moving Image" by phone, and ask if someone in charge of the exhibit can help you. I hope you can get in touch with someone who can help you. Lisa Lepore
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stanley Kubrick exhibition
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Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
Adele
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This exhibit has a web page - http://www.stanleykubrick.de/ Choose a language then you will enter the site. Choose the link at the top of the page marked friends and supporters. Christiane Kubrick has a website here http://www.christianekubrick.com/ you could write to her with the contact us link. Alternatively, you could just call the "Australian Centre for the Moving Image" by phone, and ask if someone in charge of the exhibit can help you. I hope you can get in touch with someone who can help you. Lisa Lepore
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Subject: Stanley Kubrick exhibition. How do I find out if I could get a photocopy of it
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