Bakonybel trip 4/06

rroth@...

Greetings to all!

After lurking here for a few years, I may be able to contribute
something. In April 2006 our family will be briefly in Bakonybel,
traveling with my daughter's youth chorale.

There will not be much time and I dont speak the language, but if
anyone has something basic to check there, I can try.

Bakonybel is N. of Lake Balaton. WOWW lists it as 104 km NE of=20
Nagykanizsa,=A0coordinates 47 deg.=A015 min by 17 deg 44 min. It gives =
the=20
prewar Jewish population as 12, so I guess this is a long shot, but you
never know.

---
PS. For context, I checked Nagykanizsa in WOWW as well. Its population

was 2,838, so more promising, but it may be hard to locate, being found
934 km W of Nagykanizsa.=94 This must be in the Moebius strip section
of

(Guess it's a good thing I held onto the first edition. The old WOWW

has Bakonybel 107 km WSW of Budapest, and Nagykanizsa 202 km SW of
Budapest. I will send a note to Avotaynu.)

Robert Roth
Kingston, NY
---
ROTH - Olaszliska, Hungary; East Pittsburgh, PA; Braddock, PA USA
GOLDBERGER - Hungary; Ft. Wayne, Ind. USA
KLEIN - Keked, Hungary; East Pittsburgh, PA; Turtle Creek, PA; NYC USA

Hungary SIG #Hungary Bakonybel trip 4/06

rroth@...

Greetings to all!

After lurking here for a few years, I may be able to contribute
something. In April 2006 our family will be briefly in Bakonybel,
traveling with my daughter's youth chorale.

There will not be much time and I dont speak the language, but if
anyone has something basic to check there, I can try.

Bakonybel is N. of Lake Balaton. WOWW lists it as 104 km NE of=20
Nagykanizsa,=A0coordinates 47 deg.=A015 min by 17 deg 44 min. It gives =
the=20
prewar Jewish population as 12, so I guess this is a long shot, but you
never know.

---
PS. For context, I checked Nagykanizsa in WOWW as well. Its population

was 2,838, so more promising, but it may be hard to locate, being found
934 km W of Nagykanizsa.=94 This must be in the Moebius strip section
of

(Guess it's a good thing I held onto the first edition. The old WOWW

has Bakonybel 107 km WSW of Budapest, and Nagykanizsa 202 km SW of
Budapest. I will send a note to Avotaynu.)

Robert Roth
Kingston, NY
---
ROTH - Olaszliska, Hungary; East Pittsburgh, PA; Braddock, PA USA
GOLDBERGER - Hungary; Ft. Wayne, Ind. USA
KLEIN - Keked, Hungary; East Pittsburgh, PA; Turtle Creek, PA; NYC USA

Re: *re: Hungarian Latkes

Daniela <daniela@...>

Lynn,
Exactly my experience: In Navaho reservation I ate what they called "Indian
bread" which is langos, except they eat it with honey. That was strange to
me.Langos is definitely as was described here--served with garlic paste (or
garlic oil) on top and salt.
I come >from Slovakia, and the only latkes I ever had were made out of raw
ground potatoes with ground onion, salt, maybe garlic, flour, eggs, and a
little bit of carraway seeds. Fried and served with sour cream.
I think this list is becoming culinary festival, which is kind of nice since
we are all probably thinking about those delicious unhealthy foods that we
Very happy Chanukah!
Daniela

Researching: Donner, Friedlander, Guttmann, Klein, Fischer, Kohn, Kurti,
Heller, Herzog (primary region: Ruzomberok, Liptovsky Mikulas, Slovakia)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Saul" <lynnsaul@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] *re: Hungarian Latkes

No, langos is a totally different food. They are frybread. Latkes are
potato pancakes. Both, however, are deep fried in oil, so either COULD BE
a
Chanukah tradition, where the point is eating things fried in oil. But
latkes are the Chanukah tradition all over eastern Europe, whereas
Sephardim
make suganiot (doughnuts).

I was delightfully surprised when I was in Hungary to hear about, see and
then eat langos--because I live among Tohono O'Odham (Native Americans)
who
make frybread that is just like langos!

Lynn Saul
Tucson AZ
Researching FRIEDMAN, CZINNER, PERLSTEIN, SCHOENBERGER, HOLLOS,
Satoraljaujhely, Porosko, Kolosvar, Cegled, Budapest
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Venetianer" <tom.vene@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:13 AM
Subject: [h-sig] *re: Hungarian Latkes

Dear Amos and all,

I'm not quite sure if "latkes" and the Hungarian "langos" are the same
cookings. In my family, both >from Kosice and Budapest, the custom was to
eat
"langos" with garlic and butter. This was considered a winter delicacy, to
be eaten near a burning stove. I never knew it to be served "sweat".

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 15.12.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Hungarian Latkes
From: Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:55:58 -0200
X-Message-Number: 7

It's about that time of the year when we all light the menorah and feast
on latkes.

So, as latke season is approaching---and all us researchers need a
break,
now and then, >from our genealogical endeavors---I would like to=20
know >from our group how latkes were eaten in various parts of our vast
former domain.

Amos Zezmer
Yerres, France

LATKES

Eva Blanket

Dear All,

Just to clarify things....

* LATKES are basically grated/shredded fresh potatoes with a few other
ingredients that are fried in oil ie. generally savoury. There is a
variation that uses leftover cooked mashed potatoes too.

* FANK or Hungarian donuts are a sweet yeast/flour batter fried in oil
and sprinkled with dusting sugar ie.sweet. Many variations are
possible, the most common ones being....adding jam in the middle or
adding a slice of green apple in centre.

* LANGOS is more like a pizza base dough ie. more breadlike (although
smaller in diameter) that is fried and is best with garlic sprinkled
on it ie. savoury.

Now I just wish my mother was here to bake all these lovely things!!!

Chag Sameach l' Channukah

Eva BLANKET
Researching:DAVIDOVITS/Synevir and Chust (formerly Austro-Hungary, then

Czech, now Ukraine.
HERMAN/Also Verecke/Nizni Verecky
HERMAN/Turka/Tuchol'ka (orig.Galicia,Poland now Ukraine)
WEISS/Talamas and Hukliva
LIPSHITZ/Zhdeniyeva/Zdeneve
DAVIDOVITS/ Synevir and Chust
NEIMAN/NEUMAN/ Torun
All SubCarpathia (now part of the Ukraine).

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: *re: Hungarian Latkes

Daniela <daniela@...>

Lynn,
Exactly my experience: In Navaho reservation I ate what they called "Indian
bread" which is langos, except they eat it with honey. That was strange to
me.Langos is definitely as was described here--served with garlic paste (or
garlic oil) on top and salt.
I come >from Slovakia, and the only latkes I ever had were made out of raw
ground potatoes with ground onion, salt, maybe garlic, flour, eggs, and a
little bit of carraway seeds. Fried and served with sour cream.
I think this list is becoming culinary festival, which is kind of nice since
we are all probably thinking about those delicious unhealthy foods that we
Very happy Chanukah!
Daniela

Researching: Donner, Friedlander, Guttmann, Klein, Fischer, Kohn, Kurti,
Heller, Herzog (primary region: Ruzomberok, Liptovsky Mikulas, Slovakia)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Saul" <lynnsaul@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] *re: Hungarian Latkes

No, langos is a totally different food. They are frybread. Latkes are
potato pancakes. Both, however, are deep fried in oil, so either COULD BE
a
Chanukah tradition, where the point is eating things fried in oil. But
latkes are the Chanukah tradition all over eastern Europe, whereas
Sephardim
make suganiot (doughnuts).

I was delightfully surprised when I was in Hungary to hear about, see and
then eat langos--because I live among Tohono O'Odham (Native Americans)
who
make frybread that is just like langos!

Lynn Saul
Tucson AZ
Researching FRIEDMAN, CZINNER, PERLSTEIN, SCHOENBERGER, HOLLOS,
Satoraljaujhely, Porosko, Kolosvar, Cegled, Budapest
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Venetianer" <tom.vene@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:13 AM
Subject: [h-sig] *re: Hungarian Latkes

Dear Amos and all,

I'm not quite sure if "latkes" and the Hungarian "langos" are the same
cookings. In my family, both >from Kosice and Budapest, the custom was to
eat
"langos" with garlic and butter. This was considered a winter delicacy, to
be eaten near a burning stove. I never knew it to be served "sweat".

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 15.12.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Hungarian Latkes
From: Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:55:58 -0200
X-Message-Number: 7

It's about that time of the year when we all light the menorah and feast
on latkes.

So, as latke season is approaching---and all us researchers need a
break,
now and then, >from our genealogical endeavors---I would like to=20
know >from our group how latkes were eaten in various parts of our vast
former domain.

Amos Zezmer
Yerres, France

Hungary SIG #Hungary LATKES

Eva Blanket

Dear All,

Just to clarify things....

* LATKES are basically grated/shredded fresh potatoes with a few other
ingredients that are fried in oil ie. generally savoury. There is a
variation that uses leftover cooked mashed potatoes too.

* FANK or Hungarian donuts are a sweet yeast/flour batter fried in oil
and sprinkled with dusting sugar ie.sweet. Many variations are
possible, the most common ones being....adding jam in the middle or
adding a slice of green apple in centre.

* LANGOS is more like a pizza base dough ie. more breadlike (although
smaller in diameter) that is fried and is best with garlic sprinkled
on it ie. savoury.

Now I just wish my mother was here to bake all these lovely things!!!

Chag Sameach l' Channukah

Eva BLANKET
Researching:DAVIDOVITS/Synevir and Chust (formerly Austro-Hungary, then

Czech, now Ukraine.
HERMAN/Also Verecke/Nizni Verecky
HERMAN/Turka/Tuchol'ka (orig.Galicia,Poland now Ukraine)
WEISS/Talamas and Hukliva
LIPSHITZ/Zhdeniyeva/Zdeneve
DAVIDOVITS/ Synevir and Chust
NEIMAN/NEUMAN/ Torun
All SubCarpathia (now part of the Ukraine).

Subject: IAJGS 2006 Conference New York Cemetery Visit FAQ's

Marcia O. Kaplan

For those of you planning to take our organized New York cemetery visits
during the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
from August 13-18, 2006, hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society (New York),
we have just added a section on Cemetery Visits to our Frequently Asked Questions. They
can be found at
the already existing sections on Conference Registration, Hotel
Reservations, Hotel Accommodations, and Miscellaneous.

We tried to anticipate as many questions about the cemetery visits as we
could think of and hopefully haven't left anything out. Be sure to read
them all and if you have any further inquiries please post them to the
New York 2006 Conference Mailing List. You can sign up for the mailing
list by
visiting <http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/>.

landsmanshaftn plot or other burial society (synagogue, fraternal
organization, occupational plot, etc.) for the JewishGen Online
Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR).

Conference Cemetery Liaison

Submitted by Marcia O. Kaplan, Galicia Moderator
marcia@...

Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Subject: IAJGS 2006 Conference New York Cemetery Visit FAQ's

Marcia O. Kaplan

For those of you planning to take our organized New York cemetery visits
during the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
from August 13-18, 2006, hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society (New York),
we have just added a section on Cemetery Visits to our Frequently Asked Questions. They
can be found at
the already existing sections on Conference Registration, Hotel
Reservations, Hotel Accommodations, and Miscellaneous.

We tried to anticipate as many questions about the cemetery visits as we
could think of and hopefully haven't left anything out. Be sure to read
them all and if you have any further inquiries please post them to the
New York 2006 Conference Mailing List. You can sign up for the mailing
list by
visiting <http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/>.

landsmanshaftn plot or other burial society (synagogue, fraternal
organization, occupational plot, etc.) for the JewishGen Online
Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR).

Conference Cemetery Liaison

Submitted by Marcia O. Kaplan, Galicia Moderator
marcia@...

Re: jcr-uk digest: December 18, 2005

jeremy frankel

Dear Nick and others,

There was an article that Lloyd Gartner wrote in Jewish Social
Studies "Notes on the Statistics of Jewish Immigration to England
(Vol xxii, #2, April 1960). Although Gartner was referring to
statistics, one could also argue that if there were also no lists of
names then statistical analyses could not be made.

He wrote in part: "...The starting point in governmental figures is
the Act of 1836 (6 Wm. IV, c. 11) which required the master of every
ship arriving in England >from abroad to submit a list of aliens on
board. By the 1850s and 1860s the statute had fallen into disuse
outside the Port of London and it was again brought into nationwide
enforcement in May, 1890..."

So it begs the question if the London figures still exist, where are
they. However, if they are only statistics, then they won't really

Sincerely,

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
Berkeley, California, USA

Subject: Record of arrivals at London docks in the 1860's
From: <N.Landau@...>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:20:58 -0000
X-Message-Number: 1

Are there records of arrivals at London docks in the 1860's in the same way
as there are at Ellis Island?

Has anyone managed to locate the arrival of an ancestor in this way?

<snip>

Nick Landau
London, UK

Seeking CUSSEL/CASSEL family in Brazil

Judy

I have also been trying to get someone to assist me in getting in touch
with family in Brazil. I have tried the various sites but they and our
Latin American sig site do not have a translation button and also a
question place. If they do I apologise however I cannot read Portuguese
and do not know which button or icon to hit. Can someone help me. I am
trying to trace the family of Cussel or the variation of the name. Heine
Cassel (name variation) lived in Porto Alegre, and was alive in 1968. I
am wanting to see if someone can assist me in finding out the white
pages names of Cassels there. Hoping for good news

Judy Levron
uran99@...
Australia

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: jcr-uk digest: December 18, 2005

jeremy frankel

Dear Nick and others,

There was an article that Lloyd Gartner wrote in Jewish Social
Studies "Notes on the Statistics of Jewish Immigration to England
(Vol xxii, #2, April 1960). Although Gartner was referring to
statistics, one could also argue that if there were also no lists of
names then statistical analyses could not be made.

He wrote in part: "...The starting point in governmental figures is
the Act of 1836 (6 Wm. IV, c. 11) which required the master of every
ship arriving in England >from abroad to submit a list of aliens on
board. By the 1850s and 1860s the statute had fallen into disuse
outside the Port of London and it was again brought into nationwide
enforcement in May, 1890..."

So it begs the question if the London figures still exist, where are
they. However, if they are only statistics, then they won't really

Sincerely,

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
Berkeley, California, USA

Subject: Record of arrivals at London docks in the 1860's
From: <N.Landau@...>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:20:58 -0000
X-Message-Number: 1

Are there records of arrivals at London docks in the 1860's in the same way
as there are at Ellis Island?

Has anyone managed to locate the arrival of an ancestor in this way?

<snip>

Nick Landau
London, UK

Latin America #LatinAmerica Seeking CUSSEL/CASSEL family in Brazil

Judy

I have also been trying to get someone to assist me in getting in touch
with family in Brazil. I have tried the various sites but they and our
Latin American sig site do not have a translation button and also a
question place. If they do I apologise however I cannot read Portuguese
and do not know which button or icon to hit. Can someone help me. I am
trying to trace the family of Cussel or the variation of the name. Heine
Cassel (name variation) lived in Porto Alegre, and was alive in 1968. I
am wanting to see if someone can assist me in finding out the white
pages names of Cassels there. Hoping for good news

Judy Levron
uran99@...
Australia

Old German writing (re: Sterbfritz)

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>

Dear Group ~

I just received notification that an LDS film I ordered has arrived. Now I
need to tackle the old German writing and am wondering if anyone can provide me
with some suggestions or advise as to how to proceed.
[MODERATOR NOTE: For help with old German writing and printing see our website:

http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/script.htm ]

The records are >from Sterbfritz 1826-1874 . The names I am looking for are MARX
and BERG.

entire group. Thank you.

Linda Silverman Shefler Cary, NC linsilv@...

MARX (Sterbfritz); BERG (Sterbfritz); LAMM (Darmstadt)

German SIG #Germany Old German writing (re: Sterbfritz)

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>

Dear Group ~

I just received notification that an LDS film I ordered has arrived. Now I
need to tackle the old German writing and am wondering if anyone can provide me
with some suggestions or advise as to how to proceed.
[MODERATOR NOTE: For help with old German writing and printing see our website:

http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/script.htm ]

The records are >from Sterbfritz 1826-1874 . The names I am looking for are MARX
and BERG.

entire group. Thank you.

Linda Silverman Shefler Cary, NC linsilv@...

MARX (Sterbfritz); BERG (Sterbfritz); LAMM (Darmstadt)

IAJGS 2006 Conference New York Cemetery Visit FAQ's

GerSig@...

For those of you planning to take our organized New York cemetery visits during
the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy >from August 13-18,
2006, hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society (New York), we have just added
a section on Cemetery Visits to our Frequently Asked Questions. They can be found
along with the already existing sections on Conference Registration, Hotel
Reservations, Hotel Accommodations, and Miscellaneous.

We tried to anticipate as many questions about the cemetery visits as we
could think of and hopefully haven't left anything out. Be sure to read
them all and if you have any further inquiries please post them to the New
York 2006 Conference Mailing List. You can sign up for the mailing list by
visiting:

<http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/>.

landsmanshaftn plot or other burial society (synagogue, fraternal
organization, occupational plot, etc.) for the JewishGen Online Worldwide
Burial Registry (JOWBR).

German SIG #Germany IAJGS 2006 Conference New York Cemetery Visit FAQ's

GerSig@...

For those of you planning to take our organized New York cemetery visits during
the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy >from August 13-18,
2006, hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society (New York), we have just added
a section on Cemetery Visits to our Frequently Asked Questions. They can be found
along with the already existing sections on Conference Registration, Hotel
Reservations, Hotel Accommodations, and Miscellaneous.

We tried to anticipate as many questions about the cemetery visits as we
could think of and hopefully haven't left anything out. Be sure to read
them all and if you have any further inquiries please post them to the New
York 2006 Conference Mailing List. You can sign up for the mailing list by
visiting:

<http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/>.

landsmanshaftn plot or other burial society (synagogue, fraternal
organization, occupational plot, etc.) for the JewishGen Online Worldwide
Burial Registry (JOWBR).

Help Translation GG Granmother's death record from German

Tuvia

Hello,

I have just received my G G Grandmother's (Agatha MARX MOSES) death record
from Rachtig Germany, I would appreciate if someone could assist with the
translation

Thank you

Tuvia McKane
Greensboro, NC USA

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Translation GG Granmother's death record from German

Tuvia

Hello,

I have just received my G G Grandmother's (Agatha MARX MOSES) death record
from Rachtig Germany, I would appreciate if someone could assist with the
translation

Thank you

Tuvia McKane
Greensboro, NC USA

Afaltrach Cemetery

The Held Family

MODERATOR NOTE: At the GerSIG website:
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/communities.htm
we have a list of published resources describing Jewish communities in Germany,
especially those in small towns.

If any GerSIG member owns or finds such a published source, either paper or
electronic, please check our list to see if your book is included.

If it is *** n o t *** already on our list please send a
*** complete citation *** to us so that we can add the source to our
list.

You should include:
Title, author, language, publisher, publisher city and country, number of pages,
ISBN number, descriptions of the index, name lists and illustrations.
*** also *** include the names of all towns covered by your publication.
Information about the Jewish Community of Afaltrach can be found under
Afaltrach at our site. However, the book listing gravestones in Afaltrach
is not included. We would be very grateful if the Held family could provide
a complete citation for this book. Send to GerSIG@... Many thanks. ========>

I have a book of the gravestones >from the Afaltrach cemetery. It
covered many of the closeby villages. If anyone is interested in this book
I would be happy to hear >from you. The book is in German and Hebrew with a
little about the relationship of the families where it was known.

German SIG #Germany Afaltrach Cemetery

The Held Family

MODERATOR NOTE: At the GerSIG website:
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/communities.htm
we have a list of published resources describing Jewish communities in Germany,
especially those in small towns.

If any GerSIG member owns or finds such a published source, either paper or
electronic, please check our list to see if your book is included.

If it is *** n o t *** already on our list please send a
*** complete citation *** to us so that we can add the source to our
list.

You should include:
Title, author, language, publisher, publisher city and country, number of pages,
ISBN number, descriptions of the index, name lists and illustrations.
*** also *** include the names of all towns covered by your publication.
Information about the Jewish Community of Afaltrach can be found under
Afaltrach at our site. However, the book listing gravestones in Afaltrach
is not included. We would be very grateful if the Held family could provide
a complete citation for this book. Send to GerSIG@... Many thanks. ========>

I have a book of the gravestones >from the Afaltrach cemetery. It
covered many of the closeby villages. If anyone is interested in this book
I would be happy to hear >from you. The book is in German and Hebrew with a
little about the relationship of the families where it was known.