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Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

You ask a very good question - one that we all have to deal with.

I always enter a birth name as the primary name, because that's where
the documentation tree starts. That covers married women - especially
if they've been married and divorced more than once.

If there is a name change, I will create an alias or alternate name for
that person. I will also try create an event for it and attach a
comment so there is some redundancy.

If the person uses a nickname, alternate first name, or prefers their
second name, I will put that into parentheses. Each nickname will have
its own parentheses.

And, finally, I have always been bothered about what to do with
unknowns. Looking a a bunch of Jane or John Unknown has driven me crazy
because it doesn't connect that person with anyone. I decided to use a
parents' or spouse's name as a place holder in the form of
lastname?firstname. Its arbitrary, but at least it connects that person
and any offspring up down the chain.

Zev Griner
Somewhere in the World.

Carolyn Lea wrote:

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this.


Lithuanian Vital Records Database is now LIVE #general

Howard Margol
 

We are proud to announce that the database of Lithuanian vital records is now
live on JewishGen... over 9,000 birth, marriage, divorce and death records.

These can be searched via the JewishGen Lithuania Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania

The introductory material for this database is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/VitalRecs.htm

Howard Margol


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

You ask a very good question - one that we all have to deal with.

I always enter a birth name as the primary name, because that's where
the documentation tree starts. That covers married women - especially
if they've been married and divorced more than once.

If there is a name change, I will create an alias or alternate name for
that person. I will also try create an event for it and attach a
comment so there is some redundancy.

If the person uses a nickname, alternate first name, or prefers their
second name, I will put that into parentheses. Each nickname will have
its own parentheses.

And, finally, I have always been bothered about what to do with
unknowns. Looking a a bunch of Jane or John Unknown has driven me crazy
because it doesn't connect that person with anyone. I decided to use a
parents' or spouse's name as a place holder in the form of
lastname?firstname. Its arbitrary, but at least it connects that person
and any offspring up down the chain.

Zev Griner
Somewhere in the World.

Carolyn Lea wrote:

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lithuanian Vital Records Database is now LIVE #general

Howard Margol
 

We are proud to announce that the database of Lithuanian vital records is now
live on JewishGen... over 9,000 birth, marriage, divorce and death records.

These can be searched via the JewishGen Lithuania Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania

The introductory material for this database is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/VitalRecs.htm

Howard Margol


Records of Rabbis in Eretz #rabbinic

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

My grandfather studied and became a rabbi in Eretz Israel, sometime
during the period 1898-1906 in the Sfad/Tiberias area. He did not
stay in Eretz after 1906. When someone became a rabbi in Eretz
during that period, was a record kept somewhere that I might find
and search? I do not know the name of the rabbis he studied with or
the Yeshiva.

Jeff Malka


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Records of Rabbis in Eretz #rabbinic

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

My grandfather studied and became a rabbi in Eretz Israel, sometime
during the period 1898-1906 in the Sfad/Tiberias area. He did not
stay in Eretz after 1906. When someone became a rabbi in Eretz
during that period, was a record kept somewhere that I might find
and search? I do not know the name of the rabbis he studied with or
the Yeshiva.

Jeff Malka


Re: Family History Centers in Israel or England #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:52:21 UTC, Saul Issroff opined:

Saying Where You Are - Hilary Henkin <hilary@proppersource.com There are no
Family History Centers in Israel or England (and probably
other places). ....>> is incorrect. There are numerous Family History
Centres in England. It is also well known that the Dorot Centre at Beth
Hatefusoth has some sets of FHC microflims e.g. those related to 'Jewish'
Poland

Saul Issroff (London)
That Beit haTfutzot has some sets of microfilms doesn't make it a FHC
center, which is what the quoted user said. To say that it has "e.g.
those related related to 'Jewish' Poland" is grossly misleading -- it
has a very restricted subset of those related to 'Jewish' Poland. The
operative word is "some". I learned early on that travelling to
Tel-Aviv (100km each way) in the hope of making use of the collection
there was a good way to waste a day.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email
form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family History Centers in Israel or England #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:52:21 UTC, Saul Issroff opined:

Saying Where You Are - Hilary Henkin <hilary@proppersource.com There are no
Family History Centers in Israel or England (and probably
other places). ....>> is incorrect. There are numerous Family History
Centres in England. It is also well known that the Dorot Centre at Beth
Hatefusoth has some sets of FHC microflims e.g. those related to 'Jewish'
Poland

Saul Issroff (London)
That Beit haTfutzot has some sets of microfilms doesn't make it a FHC
center, which is what the quoted user said. To say that it has "e.g.
those related related to 'Jewish' Poland" is grossly misleading -- it
has a very restricted subset of those related to 'Jewish' Poland. The
operative word is "some". I learned early on that travelling to
Tel-Aviv (100km each way) in the hope of making use of the collection
there was a good way to waste a day.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email
form there.


National Archives in England #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

This announcement >from the National Archives branch in Manhattan, New York, may
be of interest to those of you in the New York City area with roots in England.

The National Archives, 201 Varick Street, will be hosting Monica Halpin >from
The National Archives of England for a genealogical information session on
"Using the Online Resources of the National Archives in England to Research
Your Family Tree, Plus Other Useful Sites for England."

The program will include an online demonstration of various sites and search
tips for the UK website www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a and other UK online
resources.

Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2006
Time: 11:00 a.m.-noon
Location:
National Archives
201 Varick Street, 12th Floor
New York, NY 10014

Directions to NARA are online at:
http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/index.html.

Registration is required. Register by January 31st by e-mail at
newyork.archives@nara.gov or by calling their
U.S. toll-free number (866) 840-1752.

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen National Archives in England #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

This announcement >from the National Archives branch in Manhattan, New York, may
be of interest to those of you in the New York City area with roots in England.

The National Archives, 201 Varick Street, will be hosting Monica Halpin >from
The National Archives of England for a genealogical information session on
"Using the Online Resources of the National Archives in England to Research
Your Family Tree, Plus Other Useful Sites for England."

The program will include an online demonstration of various sites and search
tips for the UK website www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a and other UK online
resources.

Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2006
Time: 11:00 a.m.-noon
Location:
National Archives
201 Varick Street, 12th Floor
New York, NY 10014

Directions to NARA are online at:
http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/index.html.

Registration is required. Register by January 31st by e-mail at
newyork.archives@nara.gov or by calling their
U.S. toll-free number (866) 840-1752.

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY


Re: NYC marriage license puzzle #general

Marion5301@...
 

Shelly Weiner ( Jan. 22, 2006) asked about two marriage certificates, dated
two years apart, for the same couple.

"Both* certificates show the *exact* same information for most lines
(residence, age, parents name, # of marriages) The only differences between
the 2 certificates are the location, the officiating official and the
witnesses. The signatures on the back of the license are exactly the same. >>

I believe the key issue here is the difference between a license and a
certificate. Essentially, the license grants legal permission (>from the
State) to marry. The certificate is issued (locally) when a ceremony is
conducted by a legally authorized individual. They contain the same basic
information, but they differ in format and purpose.

I received the above explanation >from a clerk at the NY City Municipal
archives. I had a 1923 N.Y. State marriage license issued in Westchester
County, with an accompanying certificate indicating a marriage ceremony
performed in that county on that date by a Justice of the Peace. I then
found a certificate with a different number issued in 1926 for the same
couple, with the same (certificate) information, married by a Rabbi in
Brooklyn, Kings County. The Kings County certificate included the
Westchester County license number.

Genners may be interested to know that the license contains valuable
information not shown on the certificate. It includes the full name of all
four parents, the occupation and place of birth for the bride and groom, and
also their number of marriages.

Printed exactly this way at the top of the marriage license is the following
statement: "This is a marriage license and not a marriage certificate". The
Marriage Certificate on the reverse side should be filled out and filed
promptly by the Clergyman or Magistrate as required by law, with the Town or
City Clerk who issued the license. See that your marriage is thus recorded.
(The last sentence is underlined.)

So in answer to her question,

I also thought that if you were married at
City Hall, you didn't need another marriage license if you were later married
in a religious ceremony. Any ideas on this? >>

my answer is that I think Shelly may have two different certificates, but
probably not two licenses.

Marion Diamond
Los Angeles area, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYC marriage license puzzle #general

Marion5301@...
 

Shelly Weiner ( Jan. 22, 2006) asked about two marriage certificates, dated
two years apart, for the same couple.

"Both* certificates show the *exact* same information for most lines
(residence, age, parents name, # of marriages) The only differences between
the 2 certificates are the location, the officiating official and the
witnesses. The signatures on the back of the license are exactly the same. >>

I believe the key issue here is the difference between a license and a
certificate. Essentially, the license grants legal permission (>from the
State) to marry. The certificate is issued (locally) when a ceremony is
conducted by a legally authorized individual. They contain the same basic
information, but they differ in format and purpose.

I received the above explanation >from a clerk at the NY City Municipal
archives. I had a 1923 N.Y. State marriage license issued in Westchester
County, with an accompanying certificate indicating a marriage ceremony
performed in that county on that date by a Justice of the Peace. I then
found a certificate with a different number issued in 1926 for the same
couple, with the same (certificate) information, married by a Rabbi in
Brooklyn, Kings County. The Kings County certificate included the
Westchester County license number.

Genners may be interested to know that the license contains valuable
information not shown on the certificate. It includes the full name of all
four parents, the occupation and place of birth for the bride and groom, and
also their number of marriages.

Printed exactly this way at the top of the marriage license is the following
statement: "This is a marriage license and not a marriage certificate". The
Marriage Certificate on the reverse side should be filled out and filed
promptly by the Clergyman or Magistrate as required by law, with the Town or
City Clerk who issued the license. See that your marriage is thus recorded.
(The last sentence is underlined.)

So in answer to her question,

I also thought that if you were married at
City Hall, you didn't need another marriage license if you were later married
in a religious ceremony. Any ideas on this? >>

my answer is that I think Shelly may have two different certificates, but
probably not two licenses.

Marion Diamond
Los Angeles area, California


I Have Finally Found The Other MENDELSON Brother #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello All

I have been on an endless if almost fruitless search when it comes to
researching my maternal side of the family. It just shows you just got
to keep at it. You got to find ways of breaking through the brick wall.
I have been trying to trace the roots of my great-grandparents
Anna(Mendelson)Rakoff & David Rakoff for at least two years now. From
time to time I have had to stop and take a break and come back and chip
away at it >from a different angle or resource. Let me tell you that all
those new indexes and databases help tremendously.

So, anyways my grandmother was always saying that her mother had two
brothers Named Samuel & Louis whom would have been my
Great-Great-Uncles If they were still living. So, I have been on the
hunt ever since for these two brothers. First I concentrated on Samuel.
I had found him on a 1920 & 1930 census for new york. Then >from the
information there I tried to find his death date, but came up with too
many possibles age wise. So, then I tried the wife instead and since
there was only two for her I knew which one it was and ordered her
death record and >from there was able to call the cemetery and get the
husbands death date. I immediately ordered his death record as well.
Now just recently I have hit paydirt in tracing the other brother
Louis. I was having trouble finding him. So, I started to dabble and
search the Ellis island immigration and thats where I hit paydirt.

Its one of those lucky streaks you get when the information is right
there and you know it right. It started with finding the arrival of the
younger brother Samuel in 1912. It stated he was going to join his
brother Louis who lived in Brooklyn-NY on 916 Myrtle Avenue. I
couldn't believe my luck!! I was so excited, because I already knew
from other records found that Myrtle Avenue was a dead on hit with the
residence used.

So, >from there I was able to find Louis on the 1910 census on myrtle
ave, married to a rose and with two kids at that time, Max &
Sarah/Sylvia. >from there it was like one thing after another just fell
in to place. I traced him on the 1920 & 1930, and then eventually got
his death date. So, now I am going to get right on it and order his
death record as well. I would love to know more about him and his
family. If anyone knows anything please contact me. In 1930 he was
living in the Bronx with his family and I am pretty sure thats where he
lived the rest of his life until his passing in October of 1963. I just
wanted to let people know about my endless journey to seek the truth of
my roots. Take it >from me, don't give up!!!

Sarah Greenberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen I Have Finally Found The Other MENDELSON Brother #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello All

I have been on an endless if almost fruitless search when it comes to
researching my maternal side of the family. It just shows you just got
to keep at it. You got to find ways of breaking through the brick wall.
I have been trying to trace the roots of my great-grandparents
Anna(Mendelson)Rakoff & David Rakoff for at least two years now. From
time to time I have had to stop and take a break and come back and chip
away at it >from a different angle or resource. Let me tell you that all
those new indexes and databases help tremendously.

So, anyways my grandmother was always saying that her mother had two
brothers Named Samuel & Louis whom would have been my
Great-Great-Uncles If they were still living. So, I have been on the
hunt ever since for these two brothers. First I concentrated on Samuel.
I had found him on a 1920 & 1930 census for new york. Then >from the
information there I tried to find his death date, but came up with too
many possibles age wise. So, then I tried the wife instead and since
there was only two for her I knew which one it was and ordered her
death record and >from there was able to call the cemetery and get the
husbands death date. I immediately ordered his death record as well.
Now just recently I have hit paydirt in tracing the other brother
Louis. I was having trouble finding him. So, I started to dabble and
search the Ellis island immigration and thats where I hit paydirt.

Its one of those lucky streaks you get when the information is right
there and you know it right. It started with finding the arrival of the
younger brother Samuel in 1912. It stated he was going to join his
brother Louis who lived in Brooklyn-NY on 916 Myrtle Avenue. I
couldn't believe my luck!! I was so excited, because I already knew
from other records found that Myrtle Avenue was a dead on hit with the
residence used.

So, >from there I was able to find Louis on the 1910 census on myrtle
ave, married to a rose and with two kids at that time, Max &
Sarah/Sylvia. >from there it was like one thing after another just fell
in to place. I traced him on the 1920 & 1930, and then eventually got
his death date. So, now I am going to get right on it and order his
death record as well. I would love to know more about him and his
family. If anyone knows anything please contact me. In 1930 he was
living in the Bronx with his family and I am pretty sure thats where he
lived the rest of his life until his passing in October of 1963. I just
wanted to let people know about my endless journey to seek the truth of
my roots. Take it >from me, don't give up!!!

Sarah Greenberg


Viewmate translation Polish to English - 4 lines #general

Lee Nydell <lnydell@...>
 

Translation please of Polish text (4 lines) that appears under a picture.

The picture and text has been posted to Viewmate at VM7372.

I would appreciate very much if someone can help me with the Polish to English
translation.

You can view the picture and text at Viewmate by going to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7372

I would like to thank you in advance for your help.


Lee Nydell
Irvine, CA
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate translation Polish to English - 4 lines #general

Lee Nydell <lnydell@...>
 

Translation please of Polish text (4 lines) that appears under a picture.

The picture and text has been posted to Viewmate at VM7372.

I would appreciate very much if someone can help me with the Polish to English
translation.

You can view the picture and text at Viewmate by going to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7372

I would like to thank you in advance for your help.


Lee Nydell
Irvine, CA
Researching - NADEL, NUDEL, NIEDLE >from Russia, Belarus and Poland


Zasliai and Zeimiai Lithuania Web Pages #general

Jose Gutstein
 

I have created web pages for two towns in Lithuania:

- Zasliai (Zosle), located about half-way between Kaunas and Vilnius:

http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm

- Zeimiai (Zheim), a very tiny village NE of Kaunas, only 7 miles NNW of
Jonava, 7 miles S of Seta, 12 miles SE of Kedainiai:

http://www.gutstein.net/zeimiai/zeimiai-home.htm

Thank you,

Jose Gutstein
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com
Szczuczyn web page: http://www.szczuczyn.com
Wizna web page: http://www.wizna.com
Zasliai web page: http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zasliai and Zeimiai Lithuania Web Pages #general

Jose Gutstein
 

I have created web pages for two towns in Lithuania:

- Zasliai (Zosle), located about half-way between Kaunas and Vilnius:

http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm

- Zeimiai (Zheim), a very tiny village NE of Kaunas, only 7 miles NNW of
Jonava, 7 miles S of Seta, 12 miles SE of Kedainiai:

http://www.gutstein.net/zeimiai/zeimiai-home.htm

Thank you,

Jose Gutstein
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com
Szczuczyn web page: http://www.szczuczyn.com
Wizna web page: http://www.wizna.com
Zasliai web page: http://www.gutstein.net/zasliai/zasliai-home.htm


Re: LDS Family History Centres in England #general

Jerry Goldbloom <j.goldbloom@...>
 

There are at least two LDS Family History Centres in England and probably many
more. I have used the local one at High Wycombe, Bucks. and they were most
helpful. I believe there is another centre in S. Kensington, London.

Regards

Jeremy Goldbloom, Chorleywood, UK

1) There are no Family History Centers in Israel or England (and
probably other places). So, recommending that someone rent a FHC
microfilm, or go to their local FHC to do ancestry.com research, is
useless advice for them.
MODERATOR NOTE:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/FHC_Results.asp?FHCCountry=England
lists all 76 centers in England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS Family History Centres in England #general

Jerry Goldbloom <j.goldbloom@...>
 

There are at least two LDS Family History Centres in England and probably many
more. I have used the local one at High Wycombe, Bucks. and they were most
helpful. I believe there is another centre in S. Kensington, London.

Regards

Jeremy Goldbloom, Chorleywood, UK

1) There are no Family History Centers in Israel or England (and
probably other places). So, recommending that someone rent a FHC
microfilm, or go to their local FHC to do ancestry.com research, is
useless advice for them.
MODERATOR NOTE:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/FHC_Results.asp?FHCCountry=England
lists all 76 centers in England