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JewishGen welcomes the Danzig/Gdansk SIG #lodz #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear Friends,
JewishGen is extremely pleased to announce the formation of the JewishGen
Danzig/Gdansk Special Interest Group (SIG), which will focus specifically on
Danzig -- now Gdansk, Poland -- including its precursor communities of
Altschottland, Langfuhr, Mattenbuden, Weinberg, and Danzig in der
Breitgasse, as well as Tiegenhof/Nowy Dwor Gdanski. The unique history of
this community and the exceptional survival of its records presents
a marvelous
opportunity for collaborative genealogical research under the JewishGen
umbrella.

If you have research interests in this area we urge you to join the Danzig
mailing list by visiting < http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager >. We
also invite you to visit the website at <
http://www.jewishgen.org/Danzig >. where you will see that contributions
of family histories, memoirs, photographs, maps, and other material of
interest will be welcomed..

Details about SIG projects aimed at making Danzig genealogical resources
more accessible, will be available on the website in the very near
future. Stay tuned!

Our thanks to Logan Joseph Kleinwaks , Coordinator of the SIG and Elsebeth
Paikin, Moderator of the mailing list for taking a leadership role in
proposing and organizing this entire effort to add to the programs and
projects JewishGen provides. .

We hope you are also excited and will join us as we embark on a new era of
Danzig Jewish genealogical research. We also encourage anyone who has
interests in this area and the historical records which will ultimately
reside on JewishGen to volunteer to help with projects. Some projects
may require funding, and we would appreciate your support in the form of
tax-deductible (in the U.S. and Canada) donations via the dedicated
JewishGen-erosity page
<
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=31 >

Please join us in welcoming the research opportunities which the JewishGen
Danzig/Gdansk SIG will provide to all with an interest.

Carol and Vivian

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Vivian Kahn, Vice President
SIG Liaison
.


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland JewishGen welcomes the Danzig/Gdansk SIG #lodz #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear Friends,
JewishGen is extremely pleased to announce the formation of the JewishGen
Danzig/Gdansk Special Interest Group (SIG), which will focus specifically on
Danzig -- now Gdansk, Poland -- including its precursor communities of
Altschottland, Langfuhr, Mattenbuden, Weinberg, and Danzig in der
Breitgasse, as well as Tiegenhof/Nowy Dwor Gdanski. The unique history of
this community and the exceptional survival of its records presents
a marvelous
opportunity for collaborative genealogical research under the JewishGen
umbrella.

If you have research interests in this area we urge you to join the Danzig
mailing list by visiting < http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager >. We
also invite you to visit the website at <
http://www.jewishgen.org/Danzig >. where you will see that contributions
of family histories, memoirs, photographs, maps, and other material of
interest will be welcomed..

Details about SIG projects aimed at making Danzig genealogical resources
more accessible, will be available on the website in the very near
future. Stay tuned!

Our thanks to Logan Joseph Kleinwaks , Coordinator of the SIG and Elsebeth
Paikin, Moderator of the mailing list for taking a leadership role in
proposing and organizing this entire effort to add to the programs and
projects JewishGen provides. .

We hope you are also excited and will join us as we embark on a new era of
Danzig Jewish genealogical research. We also encourage anyone who has
interests in this area and the historical records which will ultimately
reside on JewishGen to volunteer to help with projects. Some projects
may require funding, and we would appreciate your support in the form of
tax-deductible (in the U.S. and Canada) donations via the dedicated
JewishGen-erosity page
<
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=31 >

Please join us in welcoming the research opportunities which the JewishGen
Danzig/Gdansk SIG will provide to all with an interest.

Carol and Vivian

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Vivian Kahn, Vice President
SIG Liaison
.


Re: Family Surname Mysteries #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"Linda Shefler" < linsilv@nc.rr.com > wrote:

Please tell me if this logic makes sense: Since Fishel and
PLOTKER/PLOTKE/PLOTKA mean "fish", does it seem logical that in order to
keep the secret of the origin of the family name (and it was definitely a
secret) Max and Sima gave Yeruhim Fishel a redundant last name (in other
words he became Yeruhim Fish Fish) so that they could then use the SILVERMAN
name?
This does not seem reasonable to me as it is overly complex, seeking a
unique explanation where the common ones may apply. These folks came from
the Russian Empire where names were written in Cyrillic letters.
Transliterating >from Cyrillic to the Latin characters used in the US and
Western Europe often resulted in confusion between "Z" and "S" where some
time was required before the spelling of teh name stabilized. My
grandfather was "ZAVODNIK" but his entire family's passenger list entry is
for "SAVODNIK" Some families retained the "Z" others still use the "S"
Even in the 1950, many Americans had difficulty with the letter "Z", having
rarely if ever encountered it at the beginning of a surname. The writing of
the letter in script was sometimes not even taught in the schools. (It was
not taught in mine, and my suname begins with it. I had quite a time
figuting out how to render it in my signature as a child and hope to have it
recognizable.)

A relative told me that her mother used to say that the family's name was
originally deSILVA/daSILVA; that they originated in Toledo, Spain and were
jewelers.
The jewelry connection would seem to support some form of "ZILBER", but
"deSilva" or "daSilva" in Spanish means "of the forrest." It does not
suggest a jewelry connection.

I know it didn't work
that way, but when Mordechai applied for US citizenship in 1891, it was
under the name of Silverman. How could he legally change his name before
becoming a citizen?
Easilly, one simply began using a different name. Even today that is only
illegal if done with intent to decieve or defraud. Besides, US citizenship
was *never* required before one could formally change a name in court.

I have not been able to find any immigration records either through Castle
Garden or Hamburg for a family fitting the description of my family under
the name of SILVERMAN/ZILBERMAN; APPLEBAUM (in all it's variations) or
PLOTKER (in all it's variations). I have also gone through the two volumes
of "the Road to Letichev" and wasn't able to locate anyone that seemed to fit.
According to Beider's "Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian
Empire" there were many variants of "ZILBER" (>from "silver"), including
"ZILBERMAN" in use as surnames. The fact that you have not found your
people in passenger lists for one American port of arrival and one European
departure port does not mean they did not use that name or one similar to
it. There were a good many other ports available, both for European
departure and American arrival.


Question: Is anyone familiar with Sephardic research aware of a
deSILVA/daSILVA family of jewelers >from Toledo, Spain?
Be cautious. This family story may well be a reference to the distant past,
to the time before Spain expelled the Jews in 1492. As such, the folklore
becomes very think and often impossible to document. Toledo was certainly a
center of metal working of all sorts, and thus a potential origin of a
jeweler.

Question: Does anyone have any suggestions as to where else or even how
else I might look for the immigration records?
Check indexes for other ports of entry (Boston, Montreal, Philadelphia,
etc.)


--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family Surname Mysteries #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"Linda Shefler" < linsilv@nc.rr.com > wrote:

Please tell me if this logic makes sense: Since Fishel and
PLOTKER/PLOTKE/PLOTKA mean "fish", does it seem logical that in order to
keep the secret of the origin of the family name (and it was definitely a
secret) Max and Sima gave Yeruhim Fishel a redundant last name (in other
words he became Yeruhim Fish Fish) so that they could then use the SILVERMAN
name?
This does not seem reasonable to me as it is overly complex, seeking a
unique explanation where the common ones may apply. These folks came from
the Russian Empire where names were written in Cyrillic letters.
Transliterating >from Cyrillic to the Latin characters used in the US and
Western Europe often resulted in confusion between "Z" and "S" where some
time was required before the spelling of teh name stabilized. My
grandfather was "ZAVODNIK" but his entire family's passenger list entry is
for "SAVODNIK" Some families retained the "Z" others still use the "S"
Even in the 1950, many Americans had difficulty with the letter "Z", having
rarely if ever encountered it at the beginning of a surname. The writing of
the letter in script was sometimes not even taught in the schools. (It was
not taught in mine, and my suname begins with it. I had quite a time
figuting out how to render it in my signature as a child and hope to have it
recognizable.)

A relative told me that her mother used to say that the family's name was
originally deSILVA/daSILVA; that they originated in Toledo, Spain and were
jewelers.
The jewelry connection would seem to support some form of "ZILBER", but
"deSilva" or "daSilva" in Spanish means "of the forrest." It does not
suggest a jewelry connection.

I know it didn't work
that way, but when Mordechai applied for US citizenship in 1891, it was
under the name of Silverman. How could he legally change his name before
becoming a citizen?
Easilly, one simply began using a different name. Even today that is only
illegal if done with intent to decieve or defraud. Besides, US citizenship
was *never* required before one could formally change a name in court.

I have not been able to find any immigration records either through Castle
Garden or Hamburg for a family fitting the description of my family under
the name of SILVERMAN/ZILBERMAN; APPLEBAUM (in all it's variations) or
PLOTKER (in all it's variations). I have also gone through the two volumes
of "the Road to Letichev" and wasn't able to locate anyone that seemed to fit.
According to Beider's "Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian
Empire" there were many variants of "ZILBER" (>from "silver"), including
"ZILBERMAN" in use as surnames. The fact that you have not found your
people in passenger lists for one American port of arrival and one European
departure port does not mean they did not use that name or one similar to
it. There were a good many other ports available, both for European
departure and American arrival.


Question: Is anyone familiar with Sephardic research aware of a
deSILVA/daSILVA family of jewelers >from Toledo, Spain?
Be cautious. This family story may well be a reference to the distant past,
to the time before Spain expelled the Jews in 1492. As such, the folklore
becomes very think and often impossible to document. Toledo was certainly a
center of metal working of all sorts, and thus a potential origin of a
jeweler.

Question: Does anyone have any suggestions as to where else or even how
else I might look for the immigration records?
Check indexes for other ports of entry (Boston, Montreal, Philadelphia,
etc.)


--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


Re: Urgent request from Yad Vashem #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Yes by all means let no holocaust victim be forgotten! But for the sake
of historical accuracy be sure when you list them to either include only
information that you are certain is true, or if your making assumptions
please label them as such. I found that in the pages of testimony >from
my families shtetl many people were listed as having died in Treblinka,
but this very, very likely only an assumption by the person who listed
them, and not something for which there was any evidence. There are a
number of other possibilities as where else and how else many of these
people were murdered other than at Treblinka. Also I found one prominent
individual >from the town who was listed as having died in Treblinka but
I know for a fact that he was arrested by the Soviets in 1940 and died
in Siberia. He was not a Nazi holocaust victim at all. Keep in mind a
need for truth and accuracy.

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Urgent request from Yad Vashem #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Yes by all means let no holocaust victim be forgotten! But for the sake
of historical accuracy be sure when you list them to either include only
information that you are certain is true, or if your making assumptions
please label them as such. I found that in the pages of testimony >from
my families shtetl many people were listed as having died in Treblinka,
but this very, very likely only an assumption by the person who listed
them, and not something for which there was any evidence. There are a
number of other possibilities as where else and how else many of these
people were murdered other than at Treblinka. Also I found one prominent
individual >from the town who was listed as having died in Treblinka but
I know for a fact that he was arrested by the Soviets in 1940 and died
in Siberia. He was not a Nazi holocaust victim at all. Keep in mind a
need for truth and accuracy.

Tilford Bartman


Re: Looking for the Rappaport's #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

The most important step you can take is to enter your surnames and towns
of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder.

http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ is where you start. You'll need to
register (it's free!), and you can be as anonymous as you want--just a
number, or a name, or your address as well. Once there, you can search
for others who are researching RAPPAPORT or SAMALION or Argentina or
Romania or wherever, and when you find them, you can email them
directly. Not only that, but *you* may have the key to someone else's
genealogical mystery, and JGFF is how they'll find you.

And thanks to D-M Soundex, you won't even have to be sure of the
spellings! So come and join the 200,000 folks already listed. JGFF, in
my opinion, is the single most powerful tool we have for research into
individual genealogies.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

emanuel rappaport wrote:

I'm trying to trace my family. I'm pretty new to this so what help you can
give me, will help.
I checked with the New York Census of 1920 and did get information. My
Grandfather, Morris RAPPAPORT and Grandmother Sarah (don't know the last
name) came >from Romania in 1885(I don't know the town). They lived at 445
Wyona Street, Brooklyn, N. Y. They had 2 children Katie and Harry. Harry
was born in 1909. Morris was born around 1868 and was in the Dry Cleaning
line. Katie married a Jack Chriso(not sure of the spelling). Harry
married Lena Samalion in Brooklyn in 1931. My Mother Lena SAMALION was born
in Argentina in 1912.. Her family came >from Russia about 1912 Well that's
all I have, as you can see I need help.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for the Rappaport's #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

The most important step you can take is to enter your surnames and towns
of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder.

http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ is where you start. You'll need to
register (it's free!), and you can be as anonymous as you want--just a
number, or a name, or your address as well. Once there, you can search
for others who are researching RAPPAPORT or SAMALION or Argentina or
Romania or wherever, and when you find them, you can email them
directly. Not only that, but *you* may have the key to someone else's
genealogical mystery, and JGFF is how they'll find you.

And thanks to D-M Soundex, you won't even have to be sure of the
spellings! So come and join the 200,000 folks already listed. JGFF, in
my opinion, is the single most powerful tool we have for research into
individual genealogies.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

emanuel rappaport wrote:

I'm trying to trace my family. I'm pretty new to this so what help you can
give me, will help.
I checked with the New York Census of 1920 and did get information. My
Grandfather, Morris RAPPAPORT and Grandmother Sarah (don't know the last
name) came >from Romania in 1885(I don't know the town). They lived at 445
Wyona Street, Brooklyn, N. Y. They had 2 children Katie and Harry. Harry
was born in 1909. Morris was born around 1868 and was in the Dry Cleaning
line. Katie married a Jack Chriso(not sure of the spelling). Harry
married Lena Samalion in Brooklyn in 1931. My Mother Lena SAMALION was born
in Argentina in 1912.. Her family came >from Russia about 1912 Well that's
all I have, as you can see I need help.


Hospital Records / Cause of Death - NYC #general

JACOB SUSAN JURISZ <suejurisz@...>
 

My husband's Aunt Lillie died in December 1953 in Brooklyn Jewish Hospital.
The death certificate gives no specific cause of death. A recent medical
issue has surfaced in the family which makes this a pertinent question, as
she was only 45 when she died.

I found an e-mail in the Discussion Group archives that stated: 1) Brooklyn
Jewish Hospital is now part of the Interfaith Medical Center and 2) medical
records in New York are only kept for 50 years. Is this a hard and fast
rule? (I am hoping that perhaps the hospital might be lagging behind in its
record retention work, and they would still have her record.)

To quote >from the death certificate:

". . .it was due to *natral causes* more fully described in the confidential
medical report filed with the Department of Health."

Should I call the hospital, or should I call the Department of Health?

I would like to hear >from anyone who has tried to obtain old NYC records,
whether successful or not. Thanks for your help!

Regards,

Sue Jurisz
New Hope, MN
USA

suejurisz@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hospital Records / Cause of Death - NYC #general

JACOB SUSAN JURISZ <suejurisz@...>
 

My husband's Aunt Lillie died in December 1953 in Brooklyn Jewish Hospital.
The death certificate gives no specific cause of death. A recent medical
issue has surfaced in the family which makes this a pertinent question, as
she was only 45 when she died.

I found an e-mail in the Discussion Group archives that stated: 1) Brooklyn
Jewish Hospital is now part of the Interfaith Medical Center and 2) medical
records in New York are only kept for 50 years. Is this a hard and fast
rule? (I am hoping that perhaps the hospital might be lagging behind in its
record retention work, and they would still have her record.)

To quote >from the death certificate:

". . .it was due to *natral causes* more fully described in the confidential
medical report filed with the Department of Health."

Should I call the hospital, or should I call the Department of Health?

I would like to hear >from anyone who has tried to obtain old NYC records,
whether successful or not. Thanks for your help!

Regards,

Sue Jurisz
New Hope, MN
USA

suejurisz@msn.com


Family history trip hotel recommendations #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
I hope to make a trip in the fall with family members to visit 'ancestral
homes' We are now in the planning stages and we are considering the following
cities.
Krakow, Prague, Dresden, Berlin, Coln, and Brussels.

I'd be most grateful for any hotel recommendations you might like to share.

Thank you so much!
Please reply privately to me at ylca87@aol.com


Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,
Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family history trip hotel recommendations #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
I hope to make a trip in the fall with family members to visit 'ancestral
homes' We are now in the planning stages and we are considering the following
cities.
Krakow, Prague, Dresden, Berlin, Coln, and Brussels.

I'd be most grateful for any hotel recommendations you might like to share.

Thank you so much!
Please reply privately to me at ylca87@aol.com


Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,
Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ


NYC school records before 1910 #general

Jania Sommers <mail@...>
 

Was Morris High School on the Boston Road the only high school in the Bronx
(NY) in 1906?
How likely is it that a new immigrant, age 15, would have attended that
school? Is there any way to check public school records that far back for
the Bronx? Or even Manhattan, in case they stayed on the lower east side for
awhile. It is unclear to me when and which family members moved to the
Bronx. Were there night schools for immigrants and how would I research
that?
I am only interested in this material up to 1908 at the latest.
Thank you.
Jania Sommers
Charleston SC

Searching: SOSENKO >from Nikolaev or Odessa, arrived USA 1906 and earlier,
earlier dates unknown.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC school records before 1910 #general

Jania Sommers <mail@...>
 

Was Morris High School on the Boston Road the only high school in the Bronx
(NY) in 1906?
How likely is it that a new immigrant, age 15, would have attended that
school? Is there any way to check public school records that far back for
the Bronx? Or even Manhattan, in case they stayed on the lower east side for
awhile. It is unclear to me when and which family members moved to the
Bronx. Were there night schools for immigrants and how would I research
that?
I am only interested in this material up to 1908 at the latest.
Thank you.
Jania Sommers
Charleston SC

Searching: SOSENKO >from Nikolaev or Odessa, arrived USA 1906 and earlier,
earlier dates unknown.


Stavishtshe,County of Kiev, Ukraine #ukraine

Silverman, Marvin
 

My maternal grandparents came to the USA from
Stavishtshe in 1909.Can anyone tell me if the mill
from that time is still visable on Gedalke Lake? Are
there any photo's of it or the jewish sector of the
town >from that time period? Also cemeteries?

The family name is Shumsky, and I recently found out
that my greatgrandmother was murdered by the white
russians during a pogrom.

I would also like to know the name of the Russian
Count that had an estate in the gentile sector of
Stavishtshe, and is the estate still there?

Thank you,
Marvin Silverman

MOD NOTE: Remember to put family surnames in upper case letters.
It helps you by making your search stand out more sharply.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Stavishtshe,County of Kiev, Ukraine #ukraine

Silverman, Marvin
 

My maternal grandparents came to the USA from
Stavishtshe in 1909.Can anyone tell me if the mill
from that time is still visable on Gedalke Lake? Are
there any photo's of it or the jewish sector of the
town >from that time period? Also cemeteries?

The family name is Shumsky, and I recently found out
that my greatgrandmother was murdered by the white
russians during a pogrom.

I would also like to know the name of the Russian
Count that had an estate in the gentile sector of
Stavishtshe, and is the estate still there?

Thank you,
Marvin Silverman

MOD NOTE: Remember to put family surnames in upper case letters.
It helps you by making your search stand out more sharply.


lorraine leven=confused #ukraine

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

Lorraine...donot be confused...I have been looking for where my gf came
from for almost 15 years I have been looking at Russia becayse thats what
his marraige cert said,,Now bases on his death cert. i am lookig at Germany
based on information >from the hamburg emigration office,specifically Posen
schrimm


al singer
schenectady NY usa


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine lorraine leven=confused #ukraine

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

Lorraine...donot be confused...I have been looking for where my gf came
from for almost 15 years I have been looking at Russia becayse thats what
his marraige cert said,,Now bases on his death cert. i am lookig at Germany
based on information >from the hamburg emigration office,specifically Posen
schrimm


al singer
schenectady NY usa


Searching for WISE, WIESSE, WIESE, etc. #usa

Lisa Robinson <lisa@...>
 

from Lisa D. Robinson, Tampa, Fl.
I am searching for information on my Jewish ancestors that came >from
Germany and France to Canada and later to America. I have been stopped
in my search as nothing was ever allowed to be written down. Don't ask
Don't tell has been the family motto.
My ancestors were 3 brothers by the last name Wiesse, Wiese, or the
anglicized version Wise. My grandfather was Lwarence M. Wise of St.
Joseph Mi. , his father was Vernon Wise of Duck Lake, Mi. or Eaton
Rapids Mi.DOB 7/30/1887 , was married to Pruda Mae Fuller of New york,
he died 1/4/1958 Tampa, Fl. , his father was Ambrose Wise died 3/26/1929
date of birht unknown. Ambrose was married to Adeline Davenport. This
is as far as I have gotten. These are the only people that I have found
so far.
If anyone has information please let me know. I am doing this for my
mother and her siblings as well as for all of their children and
grandchildren.

Thankyou
Lisa D. Robinson , Tampa, FL.

IN the future, the last names of the people you are researching must be typed
in all capital letters suc as: Searching for WISE, WIESSE, WIESE, etc.


Early American SIG #USA Searching for WISE, WIESSE, WIESE, etc. #usa

Lisa Robinson <lisa@...>
 

from Lisa D. Robinson, Tampa, Fl.
I am searching for information on my Jewish ancestors that came >from
Germany and France to Canada and later to America. I have been stopped
in my search as nothing was ever allowed to be written down. Don't ask
Don't tell has been the family motto.
My ancestors were 3 brothers by the last name Wiesse, Wiese, or the
anglicized version Wise. My grandfather was Lwarence M. Wise of St.
Joseph Mi. , his father was Vernon Wise of Duck Lake, Mi. or Eaton
Rapids Mi.DOB 7/30/1887 , was married to Pruda Mae Fuller of New york,
he died 1/4/1958 Tampa, Fl. , his father was Ambrose Wise died 3/26/1929
date of birht unknown. Ambrose was married to Adeline Davenport. This
is as far as I have gotten. These are the only people that I have found
so far.
If anyone has information please let me know. I am doing this for my
mother and her siblings as well as for all of their children and
grandchildren.

Thankyou
Lisa D. Robinson , Tampa, FL.

IN the future, the last names of the people you are researching must be typed
in all capital letters suc as: Searching for WISE, WIESSE, WIESE, etc.