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Sisters Sarah and Goldie RUBENSTEIN - Belarus -> New York City #general

Bruce Rubenstein, M.D. <b.rubenstein@...>
 

I am trying to find my great-grandfather's two sisters, Sarah and Goldie and
am hoping someone can help. Their maiden name was RUBENSTEIN and they were
born sometime between 1870 and 1880. Their father's name was Jacob
RUBENSTEIN. This RUBENSTEIN family originated in Skidel (near Grodno),
Belarus however the sisters very well may have married in Europe and
immigrated to the USA >from their husbands' hometown(s). They both
immigrated via Ellis Island sometime between 1900 and 1920. Unfortunately
no one knows their married last names.

There are several clues however. Sarah's married name may have been a
variation of Cohen (Cohn, Kohen, Kohn). This is not certain. They were
both alive as of 1944 but likely passed away sometime between 1944 and 1960.
They lived in New York City and I believe, based on the fact that other
RUBENSTEIN cousins settled in Brooklyn, that they too may have settled in
Brooklyn. Anecdotally, one or more of Sarah or Goldie's sons appeared to
look like Jeff Chandler, the actor.

Sarah and Goldie also may have had contact with their RUBENSTEIN cousins in
New York, one of whom had a bedding/quilt factory in Brooklyn. The sisters
had three brothers, Shmuel (aka Sam), Shimich (aka Samuel), and my
great-grandfather William (aka Simon) who settled in both Dixon and Chicago,
IL.

There are also several popular given names which repeat themselves in the
family: Rose, Sarah, Jacob, Harry, Joseph, and William. I would expect
that either or both Sarah and Goldie had a son by the name of Jacob.

If any of this information sounds even remotely familiar, please contact me
privately at bruce.rubenstein@nyu.edu. I am at a dead end in this search.
Thank you.

Bruce Rubenstein
New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sisters Sarah and Goldie RUBENSTEIN - Belarus -> New York City #general

Bruce Rubenstein, M.D. <b.rubenstein@...>
 

I am trying to find my great-grandfather's two sisters, Sarah and Goldie and
am hoping someone can help. Their maiden name was RUBENSTEIN and they were
born sometime between 1870 and 1880. Their father's name was Jacob
RUBENSTEIN. This RUBENSTEIN family originated in Skidel (near Grodno),
Belarus however the sisters very well may have married in Europe and
immigrated to the USA >from their husbands' hometown(s). They both
immigrated via Ellis Island sometime between 1900 and 1920. Unfortunately
no one knows their married last names.

There are several clues however. Sarah's married name may have been a
variation of Cohen (Cohn, Kohen, Kohn). This is not certain. They were
both alive as of 1944 but likely passed away sometime between 1944 and 1960.
They lived in New York City and I believe, based on the fact that other
RUBENSTEIN cousins settled in Brooklyn, that they too may have settled in
Brooklyn. Anecdotally, one or more of Sarah or Goldie's sons appeared to
look like Jeff Chandler, the actor.

Sarah and Goldie also may have had contact with their RUBENSTEIN cousins in
New York, one of whom had a bedding/quilt factory in Brooklyn. The sisters
had three brothers, Shmuel (aka Sam), Shimich (aka Samuel), and my
great-grandfather William (aka Simon) who settled in both Dixon and Chicago,
IL.

There are also several popular given names which repeat themselves in the
family: Rose, Sarah, Jacob, Harry, Joseph, and William. I would expect
that either or both Sarah and Goldie had a son by the name of Jacob.

If any of this information sounds even remotely familiar, please contact me
privately at bruce.rubenstein@nyu.edu. I am at a dead end in this search.
Thank you.

Bruce Rubenstein
New York City


Relatives in Japanese POW camps #general

CharlesPottins
 

JewishGenners with relatives who were in Japanese POW camps during World War
II might be interested to visit sites recording their names, etc.
Last year I was able to find Mark Braham, a cousin of my mothers, recorded
at such a site: He was killed when the prison ship on which he was held was
bombed.

http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/

I had heard about him as a child. We knew he was captured at Singapore and
that he died in Japanese hands, but the family did not have accurate
information as to what happened to him.

Each of the names recorded is accompanied by a representation of a poppy
and the Changi cross, made by prisoners of war. Not realising the special
significance of that particular cross I was in touch with Ron Taylor,
creator of the site, to point out that Mark was Jewish, as I believe are
some of the other prisoners listed with him.

Jim has now inserted a note acknowledging that the prisoners were >from
different backgrounds, and he is also taking steps to insert a magen
david and poppy symbol.

see also http://www.fepow-community.org.uk/ which is a link to other pages
and sites. The sites cover British Commonwealth and Dutch prisoners, but I
believe there are similar sites for US prisoners.

Charles Pottins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Relatives in Japanese POW camps #general

CharlesPottins
 

JewishGenners with relatives who were in Japanese POW camps during World War
II might be interested to visit sites recording their names, etc.
Last year I was able to find Mark Braham, a cousin of my mothers, recorded
at such a site: He was killed when the prison ship on which he was held was
bombed.

http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/

I had heard about him as a child. We knew he was captured at Singapore and
that he died in Japanese hands, but the family did not have accurate
information as to what happened to him.

Each of the names recorded is accompanied by a representation of a poppy
and the Changi cross, made by prisoners of war. Not realising the special
significance of that particular cross I was in touch with Ron Taylor,
creator of the site, to point out that Mark was Jewish, as I believe are
some of the other prisoners listed with him.

Jim has now inserted a note acknowledging that the prisoners were >from
different backgrounds, and he is also taking steps to insert a magen
david and poppy symbol.

see also http://www.fepow-community.org.uk/ which is a link to other pages
and sites. The sites cover British Commonwealth and Dutch prisoners, but I
believe there are similar sites for US prisoners.

Charles Pottins


Looking for mystery great grandmother #general

Jenni Hymoff Koeppel
 

Get >from New York and arrival information

1. My ggm was divorced >from her first husband, I think in the NY area and I
would like to know where I could obtain information >from her Get that might
be in an archive somewhere. She subsequently married my ggf and I assume
that event also ocurred in New York but I have no idea where in that city or
state. I already went to the Vital Records admin in Massachusetts and there
was no record of her marriages or death.

Where could I begin looking?

2. She arrived in the US as a minor, around 1879 >from Poland with some
other family members. I have not been able to find them on Castle Garden so
I think they might have entered another port (Boston, Philadelphia). We may
have finally located her grave in Woburn, MA, thanks to JCAM, but her life
is still a huge mystery.

3. The 1900 census states that she had a daughter named Rachel born in
August 1894. Nobody in the family has ever heard of that person. Any ideas
on how to find out who Rachel was?

I'd appreciate any advice in trying to locate these records. Thanks again
for all your help!

Jenni Hymoff
researching HYMOFF and KADETSKY, Poland, NY and Boston
REDLER and KRAVETKSY, Ukraine, Israel and elsewhere


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for mystery great grandmother #general

Jenni Hymoff Koeppel
 

Get >from New York and arrival information

1. My ggm was divorced >from her first husband, I think in the NY area and I
would like to know where I could obtain information >from her Get that might
be in an archive somewhere. She subsequently married my ggf and I assume
that event also ocurred in New York but I have no idea where in that city or
state. I already went to the Vital Records admin in Massachusetts and there
was no record of her marriages or death.

Where could I begin looking?

2. She arrived in the US as a minor, around 1879 >from Poland with some
other family members. I have not been able to find them on Castle Garden so
I think they might have entered another port (Boston, Philadelphia). We may
have finally located her grave in Woburn, MA, thanks to JCAM, but her life
is still a huge mystery.

3. The 1900 census states that she had a daughter named Rachel born in
August 1894. Nobody in the family has ever heard of that person. Any ideas
on how to find out who Rachel was?

I'd appreciate any advice in trying to locate these records. Thanks again
for all your help!

Jenni Hymoff
researching HYMOFF and KADETSKY, Poland, NY and Boston
REDLER and KRAVETKSY, Ukraine, Israel and elsewhere


Died in Mexico - buried in Philadelphia #general

Mjn519@...
 

I know that one can find the place of burial by looking at the death
certificate. But how does one find the place of burial when a person dies in
Mexico and the body is brought to Philadelphia to be buried? How would one find
the place of burial in Philadelphia when the death certificate is >from another
country?

Thank you very much.

Marie Lubman
Chino Hills, CA

Researching:
GREENSTONE, GUTERMAN-Kalvarija, Lithuania
AUGUST, FISCHER-Poland/Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Died in Mexico - buried in Philadelphia #general

Mjn519@...
 

I know that one can find the place of burial by looking at the death
certificate. But how does one find the place of burial when a person dies in
Mexico and the body is brought to Philadelphia to be buried? How would one find
the place of burial in Philadelphia when the death certificate is >from another
country?

Thank you very much.

Marie Lubman
Chino Hills, CA

Researching:
GREENSTONE, GUTERMAN-Kalvarija, Lithuania
AUGUST, FISCHER-Poland/Russia


Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Indeed the story of king UNAS can be found on the Internet
<http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/3egypt/3index.htm>.
But according to this page, his name was spelled as UNIS or WENIS.
In Greek it was written as IAUNOS, not IONAS.

Also, one wonder how a Biblical prophet (Jonah), who lived in the 8th
century BCE, would be named after a pharaoh who lived in the 24th century BCE.
Certainly in the 8th century BCE Egypt wasn't the metropolis of Middle
East anymore - the last Egyptian dynasty ended somewhere in the 10th
century BCE.

If somebody can read hieroglyph characters, the cartouche mentioned
by Stan can be seen on the page above. The first two figures are a desert
hare and waves. Does that spells YU?

Maybe UNAS is rooted in the name of goddess UNUT (she was personified
by the desert hare), whereas YONAH does means "dove" in Hebrew.

So, although similar, these two names (Ionah and Yunas) may not have the
same root. BUT, here we have something which is quite curious:
Ionas and Yunas do produce the same Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex code,
namely 164,000! Go figure...

Of course the original question was if Isaac and Jonas had something in common,
and the clear answer is NO.

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 14.01.2006, Stan Goodman wrote:
Subject: Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ?
From: Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:29:48 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 10

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:49:15 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

To my best knowledge, Jonas originated >from the Biblical name JONAH,
the biblical character swallowed by the whale. Much later the name
JONAS shows in the New Testament, deriving >from the Greek IONAS.
I never saw this name associated with Egyptian roots, but is so,
I would very much like to know how.

Regards
Tom
The birthname of the last Egyptian king of the fifth dynasty (24th
century BCE) is usually written "Unas" in English. What I saw in his
cartouche as written on the walls in his tomb at Saqqara is "Yunas". I
do not know why the initial consonant is regularly omitted in English,
but I assure you that it is there in the cartouche.
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Indeed the story of king UNAS can be found on the Internet
<http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/3egypt/3index.htm>.
But according to this page, his name was spelled as UNIS or WENIS.
In Greek it was written as IAUNOS, not IONAS.

Also, one wonder how a Biblical prophet (Jonah), who lived in the 8th
century BCE, would be named after a pharaoh who lived in the 24th century BCE.
Certainly in the 8th century BCE Egypt wasn't the metropolis of Middle
East anymore - the last Egyptian dynasty ended somewhere in the 10th
century BCE.

If somebody can read hieroglyph characters, the cartouche mentioned
by Stan can be seen on the page above. The first two figures are a desert
hare and waves. Does that spells YU?

Maybe UNAS is rooted in the name of goddess UNUT (she was personified
by the desert hare), whereas YONAH does means "dove" in Hebrew.

So, although similar, these two names (Ionah and Yunas) may not have the
same root. BUT, here we have something which is quite curious:
Ionas and Yunas do produce the same Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex code,
namely 164,000! Go figure...

Of course the original question was if Isaac and Jonas had something in common,
and the clear answer is NO.

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 14.01.2006, Stan Goodman wrote:
Subject: Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ?
From: Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:29:48 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 10

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:49:15 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

To my best knowledge, Jonas originated >from the Biblical name JONAH,
the biblical character swallowed by the whale. Much later the name
JONAS shows in the New Testament, deriving >from the Greek IONAS.
I never saw this name associated with Egyptian roots, but is so,
I would very much like to know how.

Regards
Tom
The birthname of the last Egyptian king of the fifth dynasty (24th
century BCE) is usually written "Unas" in English. What I saw in his
cartouche as written on the walls in his tomb at Saqqara is "Yunas". I
do not know why the initial consonant is regularly omitted in English,
but I assure you that it is there in the cartouche.
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Polish Population Registers - Books of Residents being indexed by JRI-Poland #general

Stanley Diamond
 

In his message of January 11th, Fred Hoffman wrote:

"Population registers," also called "Books of residents."
In Polish, these registers are usually called _ksiegi ludnosci stalej_,

Whatever the name, they are extremely valuable sources, because they
were used to register permanent residents of a given district, and the
information in them was updated regularly. Details on deaths, military
service, and relocation were typically recorded, often with specific
details that can prove vital in tracking various changes in a family's
history. Traveling papers of various kinds were drawn up by local
authorities on the basis of these books, which the authorities then
updated.
At the 2005 International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Las Vegas,
an important announcement was made concerning JRI-Poland's indexing
of Books of Residents and Census Records. Unlike civil records, these
sources include family groups on a house-by-house basis, and typically
provide names of individuals, father's and mother's names, mother's
maiden name, date and place of birth, occupation, former residence
and army draft information. Since a percentage of Jewish births were
not registered, Books of Residents and Census Records are sometimes
the only source of information on certain individuals.

For several years JRI-Poland, in cooperation with the Polish State
Archives, has been indexing these sources (in a number of PSA branches
around Poland). As the indexing of civil records for most towns in Poland
has been rapidly advancing, a decision was made to expand the indexing
of Books of Residents / Census records to all branches of the PSA with
such record sources.

As a result, an annex to the JRI-Poland/PSA agreement was signed in
early 2005 that formalizes this expansion of JRI-Poland activity to include
not only Books of Residents / Census records, but also other types of
records with genealogical content.

Although these records are generally listed in the PSA "ELA" online
database (www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=43), the information is in Polish
nd not all descriptions are uniform. Therefore, JRI-Poland has been
working with directors of PSA branches to establish inventories of the
most logical books to be indexed. As information on a town source is
received, researchers for that town will be advised of the availability of
such records. If researchers have documented the existence of such
registers for their towns, the next step they should take is to contact
the JRI-Poland Archive Coordinator for the branch of the Polish State
Archives that covers their town.

Similar to vital records, as the indexing is funded, this data will be eligible
to be added to the JRI-Poland online database. Since more detailed
information is recorded in the Books of Residents & Census indexing
projects files and the indices are being created while referencing the
actual volumes at the branch archives, the costs associated with this
data entry are relatively higher than vital records indexing. This indexing
is being done by the State Archives' staff archivists (working in off-
hours directly for and hired by JRI-Poland).

As a result, it generally will be necessary to have an advance indications
of interest before work on specific towns can be started.

A number of town Books of Residents have already been indexed and
I am pleased to announce that indexing of the City of Radom Books of
Residents project is now underway at the Radom Archives.

More than 5000 entries have already been received and it is estimated
that there will be up to 40,000 entries when the work is completed by
mid-2006.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent U.S.
non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Population Registers - Books of Residents being indexed by JRI-Poland #general

Stanley Diamond
 

In his message of January 11th, Fred Hoffman wrote:

"Population registers," also called "Books of residents."
In Polish, these registers are usually called _ksiegi ludnosci stalej_,

Whatever the name, they are extremely valuable sources, because they
were used to register permanent residents of a given district, and the
information in them was updated regularly. Details on deaths, military
service, and relocation were typically recorded, often with specific
details that can prove vital in tracking various changes in a family's
history. Traveling papers of various kinds were drawn up by local
authorities on the basis of these books, which the authorities then
updated.
At the 2005 International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Las Vegas,
an important announcement was made concerning JRI-Poland's indexing
of Books of Residents and Census Records. Unlike civil records, these
sources include family groups on a house-by-house basis, and typically
provide names of individuals, father's and mother's names, mother's
maiden name, date and place of birth, occupation, former residence
and army draft information. Since a percentage of Jewish births were
not registered, Books of Residents and Census Records are sometimes
the only source of information on certain individuals.

For several years JRI-Poland, in cooperation with the Polish State
Archives, has been indexing these sources (in a number of PSA branches
around Poland). As the indexing of civil records for most towns in Poland
has been rapidly advancing, a decision was made to expand the indexing
of Books of Residents / Census records to all branches of the PSA with
such record sources.

As a result, an annex to the JRI-Poland/PSA agreement was signed in
early 2005 that formalizes this expansion of JRI-Poland activity to include
not only Books of Residents / Census records, but also other types of
records with genealogical content.

Although these records are generally listed in the PSA "ELA" online
database (www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=43), the information is in Polish
nd not all descriptions are uniform. Therefore, JRI-Poland has been
working with directors of PSA branches to establish inventories of the
most logical books to be indexed. As information on a town source is
received, researchers for that town will be advised of the availability of
such records. If researchers have documented the existence of such
registers for their towns, the next step they should take is to contact
the JRI-Poland Archive Coordinator for the branch of the Polish State
Archives that covers their town.

Similar to vital records, as the indexing is funded, this data will be eligible
to be added to the JRI-Poland online database. Since more detailed
information is recorded in the Books of Residents & Census indexing
projects files and the indices are being created while referencing the
actual volumes at the branch archives, the costs associated with this
data entry are relatively higher than vital records indexing. This indexing
is being done by the State Archives' staff archivists (working in off-
hours directly for and hired by JRI-Poland).

As a result, it generally will be necessary to have an advance indications
of interest before work on specific towns can be started.

A number of town Books of Residents have already been indexed and
I am pleased to announce that indexing of the City of Radom Books of
Residents project is now underway at the Radom Archives.

More than 5000 entries have already been received and it is estimated
that there will be up to 40,000 entries when the work is completed by
mid-2006.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent U.S.
non-profit 501(c)(3) organization.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


New town names #romania

Levindedham@...
 

I found out that Sender is alos listed as coming >from Getier and or Galfin.

Sarah Levin
159 Pine Trail
Dedham, ME 04429


Romania SIG #Romania New town names #romania

Levindedham@...
 

I found out that Sender is alos listed as coming >from Getier and or Galfin.

Sarah Levin
159 Pine Trail
Dedham, ME 04429


A new milestone for the ROM-SIG #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Fellow ROM-SIGgers!

It is our pleasure to inform you that we have now reached a new
milestone. The ROM-SIG
membership has now passed the 1000 mark! Our current membership now
stands at 1114!

Rosanne Leeson
Paula Zieselman
Your Co-Coordinators


Romania SIG #Romania A new milestone for the ROM-SIG #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Fellow ROM-SIGgers!

It is our pleasure to inform you that we have now reached a new
milestone. The ROM-SIG
membership has now passed the 1000 mark! Our current membership now
stands at 1114!

Rosanne Leeson
Paula Zieselman
Your Co-Coordinators


Re: 40% Ashkenazim come from Matriarchs #dna

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

Yesterday, I wrote:

A researcher, Dr. Doron Behar at the Technion-Israel Institute of
Technology, has discovered that 40% of Ashkenazic Jews descend from
the same four women. See [ -- URL deleted -- ]
In regard to my previous posting, the Jerusalem Post appears to have
removed this article >from their website. Not to worry, here is a
similar article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3199788,00.html
or: http://tinyurl.com/cbz55

I don't know how long the article will appear on this site, and I
have no further information.

Varda Epstein
Efrat, Israel


DNA Research #DNA Re: 40% Ashkenazim come from Matriarchs #dna

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

Yesterday, I wrote:

A researcher, Dr. Doron Behar at the Technion-Israel Institute of
Technology, has discovered that 40% of Ashkenazic Jews descend from
the same four women. See [ -- URL deleted -- ]
In regard to my previous posting, the Jerusalem Post appears to have
removed this article >from their website. Not to worry, here is a
similar article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3199788,00.html
or: http://tinyurl.com/cbz55

I don't know how long the article will appear on this site, and I
have no further information.

Varda Epstein
Efrat, Israel


Hungarian Goldsteins in New York #hungary

renate.bielefeld@...
 

Subject: HUNGARIAN GOLDSTEINS in NEW YORK
>from : renate.bielefeld@t-online.de researcherno 160032
Date: 14th January 2006
Xmessage:1
Dear fellow-researchers,
the brother of my grandmother HELEN GOLDSTEIN >from Viso Oroszi (Ruscova to=
day) arrived in New York 1910.
By reasons unknown to me,my parents as well as his cousin in Israel lost c=
ontact with the GOLDSTEINS in
New York.Is there anyone in this reasearch group >from former Viso Oroszi c=
onnected to the GOLDSTEINS/HECHTS ?
After WWII there were my father and his sistrer surviving in Hamburg and o=
ne cousin surviving in Romania,now
in Israel whom we found recently.We found a Gisella Goldstein in Ellis Isl=
and,too >from Viso Oroszi,father Mendel
VOGEL, husband Ern=F6 Goldstein,who followed, I am not sure if Ern=F6 was =
Jacobs Hungarian name or Ern=F6 was another
relative. Does anyone have a relation to VOGEL/GOLDSTEIN >from Viso Oroszi =
? My GGGmother was a GRASGRUN from=20
Trstena/Namestowo, Slovakian/Polish border region today, does anyone searc=
h for GRASGRUN >from there ?
Researching for GOLDSTEIN/HECHT/FISCHER/VOGEL,former Viso Oroszi (now Rusc=
ova),GRASGRUN (Trstena)

Dr. Renate Bielefeld
Collinistr. 5 09.10
68161 Mannheim

eMail: renate.bielefeld@t-online.de


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Goldsteins in New York #hungary

renate.bielefeld@...
 

Subject: HUNGARIAN GOLDSTEINS in NEW YORK
>from : renate.bielefeld@t-online.de researcherno 160032
Date: 14th January 2006
Xmessage:1
Dear fellow-researchers,
the brother of my grandmother HELEN GOLDSTEIN >from Viso Oroszi (Ruscova to=
day) arrived in New York 1910.
By reasons unknown to me,my parents as well as his cousin in Israel lost c=
ontact with the GOLDSTEINS in
New York.Is there anyone in this reasearch group >from former Viso Oroszi c=
onnected to the GOLDSTEINS/HECHTS ?
After WWII there were my father and his sistrer surviving in Hamburg and o=
ne cousin surviving in Romania,now
in Israel whom we found recently.We found a Gisella Goldstein in Ellis Isl=
and,too >from Viso Oroszi,father Mendel
VOGEL, husband Ern=F6 Goldstein,who followed, I am not sure if Ern=F6 was =
Jacobs Hungarian name or Ern=F6 was another
relative. Does anyone have a relation to VOGEL/GOLDSTEIN >from Viso Oroszi =
? My GGGmother was a GRASGRUN from=20
Trstena/Namestowo, Slovakian/Polish border region today, does anyone searc=
h for GRASGRUN >from there ?
Researching for GOLDSTEIN/HECHT/FISCHER/VOGEL,former Viso Oroszi (now Rusc=
ova),GRASGRUN (Trstena)

Dr. Renate Bielefeld
Collinistr. 5 09.10
68161 Mannheim

eMail: renate.bielefeld@t-online.de