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Neptune Steet not Well Street #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Indeed Well Street is now Ensign Street. My father, the late John Freedman
(1910-1999) lived there at #27, during the 1st World War until he left with
his parents for Australia in 1922. #22 is now occupied by the school.

In the census of 1901 my greatgrandparents Michael and Dora Blumenthal
lived at #45 Well Street. They later moved to St.Mark Street.

I visited the area with my father in 1970 and many of the old buildings were
still standing. Last October when I visited again all the buildings were
new. My father told me that he attended a primary school in the centre of
Wellclose square. He was born at #212 St.Georges Road now called the
Highway. His parents, Myer and Annie Freedman were married in the Little
Alie Street Shule in 1909, which was in ruins in 1970 and by 1974 when I
visited it, it had been converted into the Half Moon Theatre. That too has
disappeared in a new building.

In fact during my visit with my wife last October, none of the sites where
my family lived are still standing. I was lucky to see them with my father
in 1970.

Will sentimental memories,
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities.com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Neptune Steet not Well Street #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Indeed Well Street is now Ensign Street. My father, the late John Freedman
(1910-1999) lived there at #27, during the 1st World War until he left with
his parents for Australia in 1922. #22 is now occupied by the school.

In the census of 1901 my greatgrandparents Michael and Dora Blumenthal
lived at #45 Well Street. They later moved to St.Mark Street.

I visited the area with my father in 1970 and many of the old buildings were
still standing. Last October when I visited again all the buildings were
new. My father told me that he attended a primary school in the centre of
Wellclose square. He was born at #212 St.Georges Road now called the
Highway. His parents, Myer and Annie Freedman were married in the Little
Alie Street Shule in 1909, which was in ruins in 1970 and by 1974 when I
visited it, it had been converted into the Half Moon Theatre. That too has
disappeared in a new building.

In fact during my visit with my wife last October, none of the sites where
my family lived are still standing. I was lucky to see them with my father
in 1970.

Will sentimental memories,
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities.com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html


Davidovka, Ukraine 1943: Soviet Field Hospital and/or Nazi Forced-Labor Camp? #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

I am trying to trace the fate of my grandfather Antal LINHARDT who
disappeared >from the #401 Penal Labor-Service Brigade on January 12, 1943 at the
Russian Front after the Voronezh Offensive. According to an eyewitness, my
grandfather was taken to a field hospital at the Front (although it is unclear
whether this was a Nazi or Soviet hospital)

According to the book Fekete konyu by Eugene Levai, Hungarians in exile in
Moscow (Mihaly Farkas, Erno Gero, Bela Illes, and Zoltan Vas) arranged for
POWs taken by the Soviets to be cared for at the Davidovka Hospital in the
Ukraine.

There are several places in the Ukraine called Davidovka, but I believe this
to be at long. 51' 10", lat. 39' 26"

I noticed that Hungarian Olympic fencing athlete, Attila Petschauer, whose
death was depicted in the movie Sunshine, died in Nazi labor camp at
Davidovka, Ukraine.

I am wondering if this is the same Davidovka and if the Soviet's took over
the Nazi labor camp and converted it to a field hospital and/or POW camp.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions on the Davidovka Hospital or
Labor Camp?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Davidovka, Ukraine 1943: Soviet Field Hospital and/or Nazi Forced-Labor Camp? #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

I am trying to trace the fate of my grandfather Antal LINHARDT who
disappeared >from the #401 Penal Labor-Service Brigade on January 12, 1943 at the
Russian Front after the Voronezh Offensive. According to an eyewitness, my
grandfather was taken to a field hospital at the Front (although it is unclear
whether this was a Nazi or Soviet hospital)

According to the book Fekete konyu by Eugene Levai, Hungarians in exile in
Moscow (Mihaly Farkas, Erno Gero, Bela Illes, and Zoltan Vas) arranged for
POWs taken by the Soviets to be cared for at the Davidovka Hospital in the
Ukraine.

There are several places in the Ukraine called Davidovka, but I believe this
to be at long. 51' 10", lat. 39' 26"

I noticed that Hungarian Olympic fencing athlete, Attila Petschauer, whose
death was depicted in the movie Sunshine, died in Nazi labor camp at
Davidovka, Ukraine.

I am wondering if this is the same Davidovka and if the Soviet's took over
the Nazi labor camp and converted it to a field hospital and/or POW camp.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions on the Davidovka Hospital or
Labor Camp?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com


Re: CZINNER/ZINNER and CZIN? #hungary

lynnsaul@...
 

Our Czinner/Zinner family (Satoraljaujhely area) is always Czinner or
Zinner. I've never seen the shorter form (back to approx 1850.) HOWEVER,
I have seen "errors" in the handwriting on records for various names, and
abbreviations used instead of full spelling.

Lynn Saul

Dear all,

My great grandfather has the surname CZINNER/ZINNER in most Slovakian
records but on one the surname is CZIN. I'm fairly sure it is the same
person because of his occupation as a glazier. Would someone know
whether it would be likely to have a shortened the name like this?

TX,

Marian Brown


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: CZINNER/ZINNER and CZIN? #hungary

lynnsaul@...
 

Our Czinner/Zinner family (Satoraljaujhely area) is always Czinner or
Zinner. I've never seen the shorter form (back to approx 1850.) HOWEVER,
I have seen "errors" in the handwriting on records for various names, and
abbreviations used instead of full spelling.

Lynn Saul

Dear all,

My great grandfather has the surname CZINNER/ZINNER in most Slovakian
records but on one the surname is CZIN. I'm fairly sure it is the same
person because of his occupation as a glazier. Would someone know
whether it would be likely to have a shortened the name like this?

TX,

Marian Brown


1933/4 photos in Palestine from Hungarian immigrants #hungary

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman <grosz_chai@...>
 

Hello,

I have some black and white photos >from my father and
other young HUngarians who were in Palestine in 1933/4
working in construction sites in Tel Aviv. I want to
know if there are research institutions, museums and
the like in Israel that would be interested in this
historical material, and who to contact.

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman

REsearching GROSZ ILKOVICS MOGYOROS
GOLOP, EDELENY, MISKOLC

Moderator: Please contact Viviana off-list if you have suggestions about repositories that might be interested.


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1933/4 photos in Palestine from Hungarian immigrants #hungary

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman <grosz_chai@...>
 

Hello,

I have some black and white photos >from my father and
other young HUngarians who were in Palestine in 1933/4
working in construction sites in Tel Aviv. I want to
know if there are research institutions, museums and
the like in Israel that would be interested in this
historical material, and who to contact.

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman

REsearching GROSZ ILKOVICS MOGYOROS
GOLOP, EDELENY, MISKOLC

Moderator: Please contact Viviana off-list if you have suggestions about repositories that might be interested.


Re: Romocsahaza #hungary

Robert Neu
 

It is available at the FHL in Salt Lake City and other
public libraries.

There is a reprint, details with your e-mail or just
Google.

Robert

--- marvdav@aol.com wrote:

How might I access a copy of the Hungaarian
Gazatteer mentioned.

Thanks for your help.

Marvin Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Romocsahaza

According to the Hungaarian Gazatteer, in 1877
there
were 6 Jews in Romocshaza. The records for this town
were with the BILKE community then in Bereg County
now
in the Ukraine as Bilki.

Like for most records >from the Ukraine they are not,
so far, available >from the FHL

Robert

<snip>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Romocsahaza #hungary

Robert Neu
 

It is available at the FHL in Salt Lake City and other
public libraries.

There is a reprint, details with your e-mail or just
Google.

Robert

--- marvdav@aol.com wrote:

How might I access a copy of the Hungaarian
Gazatteer mentioned.

Thanks for your help.

Marvin Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Romocsahaza

According to the Hungaarian Gazatteer, in 1877
there
were 6 Jews in Romocshaza. The records for this town
were with the BILKE community then in Bereg County
now
in the Ukraine as Bilki.

Like for most records >from the Ukraine they are not,
so far, available >from the FHL

Robert

<snip>


the wrong Abraham HERMAN #general

JGyori@...
 

I have a copy of the death certificate for Abraham HERMAN, Certificate #
1726, Bronx, New York. He died 9 February, 1919 at Lincoln Hospital. He lived
at 1037 Teller Avenue. He was born in Russia and had been in New York for 24
years. His father was Israel Herman and his mother was Sophie (maiden name
unknown)
He is buried in the United Hebrew Cemetery. I called they for verification
and he was buried by the Order of Brith Abraham Burial Society. He is in Block
39, Row 4, Grave 29.

He is not the Abraham Herman I was looking for. Turns out mine died July
1917 in Manhattan!
I would be happy it to send this out to anyone who might be related.

Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN, SCHONSTEIN,
ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar, Kerescsend,
Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen the wrong Abraham HERMAN #general

JGyori@...
 

I have a copy of the death certificate for Abraham HERMAN, Certificate #
1726, Bronx, New York. He died 9 February, 1919 at Lincoln Hospital. He lived
at 1037 Teller Avenue. He was born in Russia and had been in New York for 24
years. His father was Israel Herman and his mother was Sophie (maiden name
unknown)
He is buried in the United Hebrew Cemetery. I called they for verification
and he was buried by the Order of Brith Abraham Burial Society. He is in Block
39, Row 4, Grave 29.

He is not the Abraham Herman I was looking for. Turns out mine died July
1917 in Manhattan!
I would be happy it to send this out to anyone who might be related.

Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN, SCHONSTEIN,
ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar, Kerescsend,
Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia


Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Any system that works for you, that you can apply consistently and that permits
you to navigate your tree and review support documentation, and that you can
clearly explain to others who might use your database, is "correct".

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Carolyn Lea" <clea@woh.rr.com> wrote in message

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this. I know that women are to be entered using their maiden
name and many software programs warn against entering nicknames - suggesting
placing such names in the "alternate names" section instead.

I realize that I have been somewhat inconsistent. If a surname is changed
(legally or otherwise) should the birth name be the main entry and other
names be listed in the alternate section? This seems the correct thing to
do - however, then the name which the person may not primarily be known by
will not appear in the name index. Also, if the name was changed prior to
the birth of a child it may not appear the child is the biological child of
the father. The same is true of course going backwards if the alternate name
is the main entry. Is it appropriate to place the changed name in
parenthesis next to the birth name?

Just in my immediate family my father, Leon Schwarzbaum, began using his
stepfather's name, Mitchell abt age 10. I was born with that name. I legally
changed my name and my son's (he was abt 8) to my middle name (Lea) after my
divorce and when I was angry with my father!

I have also located a birth certificate for Esther Schwarzbaum who
apparently always used Elsie. Her sons (both in their 80s), with whom I am
in contact, never knew her name was Esther. I thought I had found a new
child! Her marriage and death certificates say Elsie.

I believe to be consistent (and what I assume is the "proper format") I
should always enter birth name if known. However, I am afraid of name
confusion when I share the tree with others.

Carolyn Lea
Ohio


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Any system that works for you, that you can apply consistently and that permits
you to navigate your tree and review support documentation, and that you can
clearly explain to others who might use your database, is "correct".

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Carolyn Lea" <clea@woh.rr.com> wrote in message

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this. I know that women are to be entered using their maiden
name and many software programs warn against entering nicknames - suggesting
placing such names in the "alternate names" section instead.

I realize that I have been somewhat inconsistent. If a surname is changed
(legally or otherwise) should the birth name be the main entry and other
names be listed in the alternate section? This seems the correct thing to
do - however, then the name which the person may not primarily be known by
will not appear in the name index. Also, if the name was changed prior to
the birth of a child it may not appear the child is the biological child of
the father. The same is true of course going backwards if the alternate name
is the main entry. Is it appropriate to place the changed name in
parenthesis next to the birth name?

Just in my immediate family my father, Leon Schwarzbaum, began using his
stepfather's name, Mitchell abt age 10. I was born with that name. I legally
changed my name and my son's (he was abt 8) to my middle name (Lea) after my
divorce and when I was angry with my father!

I have also located a birth certificate for Esther Schwarzbaum who
apparently always used Elsie. Her sons (both in their 80s), with whom I am
in contact, never knew her name was Esther. I thought I had found a new
child! Her marriage and death certificates say Elsie.

I believe to be consistent (and what I assume is the "proper format") I
should always enter birth name if known. However, I am afraid of name
confusion when I share the tree with others.

Carolyn Lea
Ohio


re saying where you are #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Genners, There are all kinds of reasons some of us may choose not
to put down our location and that includes personal experience and safety.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't read all the posts yet.

As a victim of identity theft, I am extremely cautious giving out details
about myself that are posted in a public forum. Keep in mind, these emails
are kept in archives and can be found anytime in the future. Not that I would
expect JewishGen to be a source of identity theft, however having lived through
the torturous experience of reclaiming my name, identity and credit, I'm
very paranoid about providing private information in a public record. I for
one, might provide my specific location in private email exchange, but not in a
public archived forum. We can still exchange family information even if we
don't have a clue where each of us lives.

Yes, I understand there are web sites abound that list address, phone number
etc, but I can't do anything about those. However, I can at least not
contribute to adding personal details to the world wide web.

I am also familiar with a single mom (who shall remain anonymous, per her
request) who refuses to enter her location because she was stalked by a
stranger and was forced to move to a new town. She does not list her location
for the safety of herself and her children. While I understand this kind of
situation is very rare, the point I'm trying to make is that we all bring to
the table our own personal experiences, so lets not jump the gun and make
assumptions the person is being rude and simply not following the rules.
There may be a very good reason. Besides, I honestly can't understand why
anyone cares where I live -rules or no rules!

So as a woman, I feel quite strongly for my personal safety that I simply
don't want to post my location on any public forum. If the rules state that
we have to list a city, maybe it's time to make some changes and provide more
flexibility.

Lastly, for those of you who choose not to contact us more private Genners
because you want to know where we live and we choose not to tell you, then
you risk never knowing if we hold the missing link to your family tree!!!

Best regards,

Shelly Crane
USA
Names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BRIKMAN, CUKERBRAUM,
DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, LANGUS,
KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ,
WAJNBERG, WRUBEL
Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FISCHER, GITERMAN, GLASS,
KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO,
PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER

Mike Posnick <mpoz@earthlink.net> wrote:
You're not alone. . . Indeed, I never respond to e-mail
inquiries or listings in the Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF)
where the sender's/lister's name and location are not shown
MODERATOR NOTE; This posting has been allowed because of the mention of
identity theft, a point not previously raised.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re saying where you are #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Genners, There are all kinds of reasons some of us may choose not
to put down our location and that includes personal experience and safety.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't read all the posts yet.

As a victim of identity theft, I am extremely cautious giving out details
about myself that are posted in a public forum. Keep in mind, these emails
are kept in archives and can be found anytime in the future. Not that I would
expect JewishGen to be a source of identity theft, however having lived through
the torturous experience of reclaiming my name, identity and credit, I'm
very paranoid about providing private information in a public record. I for
one, might provide my specific location in private email exchange, but not in a
public archived forum. We can still exchange family information even if we
don't have a clue where each of us lives.

Yes, I understand there are web sites abound that list address, phone number
etc, but I can't do anything about those. However, I can at least not
contribute to adding personal details to the world wide web.

I am also familiar with a single mom (who shall remain anonymous, per her
request) who refuses to enter her location because she was stalked by a
stranger and was forced to move to a new town. She does not list her location
for the safety of herself and her children. While I understand this kind of
situation is very rare, the point I'm trying to make is that we all bring to
the table our own personal experiences, so lets not jump the gun and make
assumptions the person is being rude and simply not following the rules.
There may be a very good reason. Besides, I honestly can't understand why
anyone cares where I live -rules or no rules!

So as a woman, I feel quite strongly for my personal safety that I simply
don't want to post my location on any public forum. If the rules state that
we have to list a city, maybe it's time to make some changes and provide more
flexibility.

Lastly, for those of you who choose not to contact us more private Genners
because you want to know where we live and we choose not to tell you, then
you risk never knowing if we hold the missing link to your family tree!!!

Best regards,

Shelly Crane
USA
Names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BRIKMAN, CUKERBRAUM,
DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, LANGUS,
KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ,
WAJNBERG, WRUBEL
Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FISCHER, GITERMAN, GLASS,
KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO,
PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER

Mike Posnick <mpoz@earthlink.net> wrote:
You're not alone. . . Indeed, I never respond to e-mail
inquiries or listings in the Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF)
where the sender's/lister's name and location are not shown
MODERATOR NOTE; This posting has been allowed because of the mention of
identity theft, a point not previously raised.


Dentistry in Orange Free State, 1896-1899: GINSBERG #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

A great uncle of mine, Gustav GINSBERG(1872-1922),
qualified as a dentist in Germany, and on account of
his lack of British qualifications was not allowed to
practise in the British parts of South Africa before
and after the Anglo-Boer War. He did practise in the
Orange Free State (OFS :Harrismith and Bloemfontein)
between about 1896 and 1899.

Clearly, the regulations controlling dentistry in the
OFS differed >from those in the British governed
colonies. Can anyone enlighten me more on this topic,
please?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Dentistry in Orange Free State, 1896-1899: GINSBERG #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

A great uncle of mine, Gustav GINSBERG(1872-1922),
qualified as a dentist in Germany, and on account of
his lack of British qualifications was not allowed to
practise in the British parts of South Africa before
and after the Anglo-Boer War. He did practise in the
Orange Free State (OFS :Harrismith and Bloemfontein)
between about 1896 and 1899.

Clearly, the regulations controlling dentistry in the
OFS differed >from those in the British governed
colonies. Can anyone enlighten me more on this topic,
please?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Which Leviseur and Ehrlich #southafrica

Amanda Jermyn <astrogirl200@...>
 

To reply to Adam Yamey's question below,

The Leviseur in question was probably Moritz
Leviseur(1842-1923) and the Ehrlich would have been
Wolf Ehrlich(died 1924). Their spouses, sisters Sophie
Baumann Leviseur and Helene Baumann Ehrlich were
relatives of mine. Moritz Leviseur was a businessman,
a founder of the Volks Hospital in Bloemfontein,
founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, and
active in the synagogue. Two of his sons, Herbert(b.
1891 and Ernest Alfred (b. 1888), were doctors, but
would have been too young in 1907 to have any
influence. Sophie Leviseur was an influential person
in her own right.

Wolf Ehrlich was a business man, senator for the
Orange Free State, three times mayor of Bloemfontein,
a founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, a
founder and president of the SA Jewish Board of
Deputies, president of the Jewish Congregation,
Portuguese Consul etc. None of his children were
doctors or dentists, as far as I know.

So in 1907 Moritz Leviseur and Wolf Ehrlich would have
been considered influential men in Bloemfontein, and a
good bet for assisting someone obtain permission to
practice dentistry. I should mention that my
grandmother, Frieda (nee Prager) Katz, qualified as a
dentist in Germany in 1918. She was the first woman
admitted to the medical school at Heidelberg
University. However, upon arrival in the Orange Free
State in 1919 she was not allowed to practice as a
dentist because South Africa did not have a reciprocal
relationship with Germany in these matters. Germany
did not recognize South African qualifications, so
South Africa would not recognize German ones.

For more information please contact me privately.

Amanda Katz Jermyn
Massachusetts, USA

Subject: EHRLICH/LEVISEUR - Dentistry in the Orange
River Colony.
From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:56 +0000 (GMT)

A distant relative of mine, Gustav GINSBERG
(1872-1922), who had qualified as a dentist in Germany
was attempting in 1907 to have his German
qualifications recognised by the British authorities
in the Orange River Colony (ORC). His brother Franz
GINSBERG, MLA wrote a letter on his behalf in which he
refers to,
"... a number of prominent men of the ORC can testify.
For instance Mr Ehrlich Mr Leviseur etc...".

To whom was Franz Ginsberg referring - ie which Mr
EHRLICH and LEVISEUR ?
Are they the persons mentioned on the SA SIG
website:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/communities/8/>,
or possibly some other people with those names?

Were there any dentists around in the ORC at this time
with these names?

Thanks in advance,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Which Leviseur and Ehrlich #southafrica

Amanda Jermyn <astrogirl200@...>
 

To reply to Adam Yamey's question below,

The Leviseur in question was probably Moritz
Leviseur(1842-1923) and the Ehrlich would have been
Wolf Ehrlich(died 1924). Their spouses, sisters Sophie
Baumann Leviseur and Helene Baumann Ehrlich were
relatives of mine. Moritz Leviseur was a businessman,
a founder of the Volks Hospital in Bloemfontein,
founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, and
active in the synagogue. Two of his sons, Herbert(b.
1891 and Ernest Alfred (b. 1888), were doctors, but
would have been too young in 1907 to have any
influence. Sophie Leviseur was an influential person
in her own right.

Wolf Ehrlich was a business man, senator for the
Orange Free State, three times mayor of Bloemfontein,
a founder of the Bloemfontein Chamber of Commerce, a
founder and president of the SA Jewish Board of
Deputies, president of the Jewish Congregation,
Portuguese Consul etc. None of his children were
doctors or dentists, as far as I know.

So in 1907 Moritz Leviseur and Wolf Ehrlich would have
been considered influential men in Bloemfontein, and a
good bet for assisting someone obtain permission to
practice dentistry. I should mention that my
grandmother, Frieda (nee Prager) Katz, qualified as a
dentist in Germany in 1918. She was the first woman
admitted to the medical school at Heidelberg
University. However, upon arrival in the Orange Free
State in 1919 she was not allowed to practice as a
dentist because South Africa did not have a reciprocal
relationship with Germany in these matters. Germany
did not recognize South African qualifications, so
South Africa would not recognize German ones.

For more information please contact me privately.

Amanda Katz Jermyn
Massachusetts, USA

Subject: EHRLICH/LEVISEUR - Dentistry in the Orange
River Colony.
From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:07:56 +0000 (GMT)

A distant relative of mine, Gustav GINSBERG
(1872-1922), who had qualified as a dentist in Germany
was attempting in 1907 to have his German
qualifications recognised by the British authorities
in the Orange River Colony (ORC). His brother Franz
GINSBERG, MLA wrote a letter on his behalf in which he
refers to,
"... a number of prominent men of the ORC can testify.
For instance Mr Ehrlich Mr Leviseur etc...".

To whom was Franz Ginsberg referring - ie which Mr
EHRLICH and LEVISEUR ?
Are they the persons mentioned on the SA SIG
website:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/communities/8/>,
or possibly some other people with those names?

Were there any dentists around in the ORC at this time
with these names?

Thanks in advance,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>