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Obits #france

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

What on-line obits are available, and / or what newspaper one should query.
This is for deaths in Paris >from 1900 to WWII .
Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


French SIG #France Obits #france

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

What on-line obits are available, and / or what newspaper one should query.
This is for deaths in Paris >from 1900 to WWII .
Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco


New info on Hoffer/Koesis/Dobronski, further help needed in finding #warsaw #poland

Michele <michelerenee217@...>
 

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great =
grandparents:
GGF -John Hoffer (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria=20
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.=20
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet Kocsis (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her =
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old. =

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:=20
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).=20
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven. =

Cousins are: Dobronski/Dumbroskie and it is possible that one may be =
still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian =
Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those =
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on =
them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and =
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family =
lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and =
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to =
Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However, =
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to =
Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition =
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage =
especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the =
religion onto their children and so on.=20

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son) =
who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done =
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of =
my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates, =
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can =
make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross =
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I =
will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my =
GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried =
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If =
so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for =
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis. Can anyone =
assist me in making connection between them?
=20
Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva =
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21, =
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest =
they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am =
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records, =
locations, or Hungarian Census Information?=20

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15, =
2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification =
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line: =
Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having =
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am =
unable to respond to him.
=20
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FhC.2ACE/3789.1 =20

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly =
appreciated.=20

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA=20
michelerenee217@suscom.net


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland New info on Hoffer/Koesis/Dobronski, further help needed in finding #warsaw #poland

Michele <michelerenee217@...>
 

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great =
grandparents:
GGF -John Hoffer (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria=20
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.=20
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet Kocsis (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her =
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old. =

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:=20
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).=20
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven. =

Cousins are: Dobronski/Dumbroskie and it is possible that one may be =
still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian =
Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those =
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on =
them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and =
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family =
lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and =
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to =
Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However, =
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to =
Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition =
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage =
especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the =
religion onto their children and so on.=20

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son) =
who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done =
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of =
my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates, =
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can =
make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross =
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I =
will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my =
GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried =
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If =
so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for =
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis. Can anyone =
assist me in making connection between them?
=20
Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva =
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21, =
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest =
they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am =
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records, =
locations, or Hungarian Census Information?=20

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15, =
2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification =
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line: =
Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having =
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am =
unable to respond to him.
=20
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FhC.2ACE/3789.1 =20

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly =
appreciated.=20

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA=20
michelerenee217@suscom.net


REMINDER: Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #poland

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.
Please reply to: SWTDNCMD@aol.com

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj


JRI Poland #Poland REMINDER: Bolekhow - New York City Meeting #poland

SWTDNCMD@...
 

Shlomo Adler has been one of the key Bolechowers in protecting the heritage
of the Jewish community of his birthplace. Having returned to Bolechow
numerous times, Mr. Adler has organized the ExBolechowers Emigrants of Israel
and has actively pursued efforts to maintain the integrity of the Bolechow
Jewish Community.

Mr. Adler has been joined in his quest by Daniel Mendelsohn, who, with his
siblings, took an incredible trip to Bolechow which Mendelsohn has chronicled
in both an acclaimed New York Times Magazine article (2002) and in a
forthcoming book that is scheduled for publication in the fall of 2006.
If you are interested in learning more about present day Bolechow
(Bolekhow) and plans to restore, preserve and commemorate our heritage,
there will be a meeting with Adler and Mendelsohn of those with connections
to the community.

All who are interested are invited to join us at the Offices
of Weil Gotshal and Manges on Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. at
767 Fifth Avenue in New York City. (The building is what used to be known as
the GM Building at the corner of Fifth and 59th across >from the Plaza Hotel
and above FAO Schwartz.) If you will attend, due to building security
requirements, we will need to have your name in advance by January 19th.
Please reply to: SWTDNCMD@aol.com

Susan Wolf Turnbull
Bethesda, Maryland USA
ADLERSBERG, Synowodsko Wyzne, Bolekhow, Drohobyzc
ADLER, Bolekhow
WOLF, Synowodsko Wyzne, Kalacsa Laz
SCHUSTER, Stryj
GLASBERG, Stryj


1891 Census - is there a street index? #unitedkingdom

Jonathan Grodzinski
 

I have recently found old leases and conveyances of our family's first bakery shop at 31 Fieldgate Street London E. which show that the premises which I had always known as 29 31 and 33 were originally called 9 10 and 11 and by 1897 had been renumbered.

I now wish to find the census entries for 1891. I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, but other than knowing that the address is in Whitechapel - St Mary, do not know where to start looking . How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate street records appear?


Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker
researching : GRODZINSKI (GRODZENCZIK) Varanova, Belarus: GOIDE Lida, Belarus. JEIDEL Pfungstadt, Germany. FINK Hamburg. BUCHSBAUM Mislovitz,Silesia. KORNBLUTH Mielec, ARATEN Rozwadow


Krakow marriage and banns.... #poland

hennynow
 

Elsebeth Paikin inquired about the meaning of marriage banns in Poland.
Here's my reply to her:

Marriage banns are the declaration of intention to enter matrimony posted
officially by bride and groom, if I recall correctly. Originally a church
requirement in Europe, it is still a civil requirement in many European
countries. It is just a formality, sort of like, "....if anybody has any
objection to this proposed union, let him or her speak up now."

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom 1891 Census - is there a street index? #unitedkingdom

Jonathan Grodzinski
 

I have recently found old leases and conveyances of our family's first bakery shop at 31 Fieldgate Street London E. which show that the premises which I had always known as 29 31 and 33 were originally called 9 10 and 11 and by 1897 had been renumbered.

I now wish to find the census entries for 1891. I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, but other than knowing that the address is in Whitechapel - St Mary, do not know where to start looking . How do I find out on what page of the census Fieldgate street records appear?


Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker
researching : GRODZINSKI (GRODZENCZIK) Varanova, Belarus: GOIDE Lida, Belarus. JEIDEL Pfungstadt, Germany. FINK Hamburg. BUCHSBAUM Mislovitz,Silesia. KORNBLUTH Mielec, ARATEN Rozwadow


JRI Poland #Poland Krakow marriage and banns.... #poland

hennynow
 

Elsebeth Paikin inquired about the meaning of marriage banns in Poland.
Here's my reply to her:

Marriage banns are the declaration of intention to enter matrimony posted
officially by bride and groom, if I recall correctly. Originally a church
requirement in Europe, it is still a civil requirement in many European
countries. It is just a formality, sort of like, "....if anybody has any
objection to this proposed union, let him or her speak up now."

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


Cornwall Road in London 1918 #unitedkingdom

Jonathan Grodzinski
 

I have just found my grandfather Abie GRODZINSKI statement of affairs drawn up after his death in 1918. Abie was aged 32 at the time and was running the family bakery business in Fieldgate Street in London's East End.

In the statement there is reference to rates and rent owing on the Fieldgate Street premises (which was also the family's home) and also to "107 Cornwall Road" (without any indication of where this was in London). My late uncle told me that the family had had a shop in West London at approximately that time.

I have looked at current Cornwall Roads, but before I start investigating them, I would like to know whether there were others in London in 1918. I have found an index of changed street names but it is alphabetical according to current and not old names.

So can anyone help me find my grandfather's Cornwall Road? I think that No. 107 would have been a baker's shop and may have had some Jewish population nearby.

At the time of his death the family had evacuated to Letchworth to avoid the Zeppelins. As there is now no Cornwall Road there, how would I find out about Letchworth street names changed since 1918?

Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker
researching : GRODZINSKI (GRODZENCZIK) Varanova, Belarus: GOIDE Lida, Belarus. JEIDEL Pfungstadt, Germany. FINK Hamburg. BUCHSBAUM Mislovitz,Silesia.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Cornwall Road in London 1918 #unitedkingdom

Jonathan Grodzinski
 

I have just found my grandfather Abie GRODZINSKI statement of affairs drawn up after his death in 1918. Abie was aged 32 at the time and was running the family bakery business in Fieldgate Street in London's East End.

In the statement there is reference to rates and rent owing on the Fieldgate Street premises (which was also the family's home) and also to "107 Cornwall Road" (without any indication of where this was in London). My late uncle told me that the family had had a shop in West London at approximately that time.

I have looked at current Cornwall Roads, but before I start investigating them, I would like to know whether there were others in London in 1918. I have found an index of changed street names but it is alphabetical according to current and not old names.

So can anyone help me find my grandfather's Cornwall Road? I think that No. 107 would have been a baker's shop and may have had some Jewish population nearby.

At the time of his death the family had evacuated to Letchworth to avoid the Zeppelins. As there is now no Cornwall Road there, how would I find out about Letchworth street names changed since 1918?

Jonathan Grodzinski - 4th generation London Master Baker
researching : GRODZINSKI (GRODZENCZIK) Varanova, Belarus: GOIDE Lida, Belarus. JEIDEL Pfungstadt, Germany. FINK Hamburg. BUCHSBAUM Mislovitz,Silesia.


Re: marriage banns #poland

Ferdinand Frenkel <genfred@...>
 

A marriage bann was a public notice of the future marriage. It was
usually published three times at the Synagogue. If nobody did oppose
to the banns the way to the marriage was paved.

Kind regards

Ferdinand Frenkel

---------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Krakow marriage and banns....
From: Elsebeth Paikin <elsebeth@paikin.dk>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:21:51 +0100
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear all,
I found some information in the JRI Poland database:
Krakow JHI marriage banns 1892,97-99,1901-9,12-22
Surname Given Year Type Akt Fond Town Father Mother Notes Comments
name
KNELLER Feiwel 1892 M 23 993 Ropczyce Abraham Chana
-Reizla Bann
SPERLING Rebeka 1892 M 23 993 Krakow Mojzesz Leya Bann
Can anyone tell me what a "marriage bann" means?
Thank you in anticipation
Best regards
Elsebeth Paikin, President


JRI Poland #Poland RE: marriage banns #poland

Ferdinand Frenkel <genfred@...>
 

A marriage bann was a public notice of the future marriage. It was
usually published three times at the Synagogue. If nobody did oppose
to the banns the way to the marriage was paved.

Kind regards

Ferdinand Frenkel

---------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Krakow marriage and banns....
From: Elsebeth Paikin <elsebeth@paikin.dk>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:21:51 +0100
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear all,
I found some information in the JRI Poland database:
Krakow JHI marriage banns 1892,97-99,1901-9,12-22
Surname Given Year Type Akt Fond Town Father Mother Notes Comments
name
KNELLER Feiwel 1892 M 23 993 Ropczyce Abraham Chana
-Reizla Bann
SPERLING Rebeka 1892 M 23 993 Krakow Mojzesz Leya Bann
Can anyone tell me what a "marriage bann" means?
Thank you in anticipation
Best regards
Elsebeth Paikin, President


Immigrant Roots #lithuania

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Harvey and Mike and other researchers:

If there is no one in the family who remembers the original part of the
trip, I doubt if you are going to be able to reconstruct it,

My immigrant father in law, David Garber, was one of six siblings, wrote
in his autobiography (isn't it lucky to have this?) that after they bought
their ships tiockes, the hired a local peasant to drive the family and their
baggage to the railroad >from their home in Zuromin, Russia Poland. I talked
to all the family members about this trip. Uncle Paul told me that two
peasants came out of the woods with knives to rob them. Meyer, the oldest
brother, who was very strong, took a post >from the cart body and beat up the
peasants so badly that they fled back into the woods. They then continued
on to the railroad. The family was sure that the robbers were in cahoots
with the driver. They were sure that if the robbers had been successful
they all would have been killed, but they were able to complete their trip.

Joe Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Immigrant Roots #lithuania

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Harvey and Mike and other researchers:

If there is no one in the family who remembers the original part of the
trip, I doubt if you are going to be able to reconstruct it,

My immigrant father in law, David Garber, was one of six siblings, wrote
in his autobiography (isn't it lucky to have this?) that after they bought
their ships tiockes, the hired a local peasant to drive the family and their
baggage to the railroad >from their home in Zuromin, Russia Poland. I talked
to all the family members about this trip. Uncle Paul told me that two
peasants came out of the woods with knives to rob them. Meyer, the oldest
brother, who was very strong, took a post >from the cart body and beat up the
peasants so badly that they fled back into the woods. They then continued
on to the railroad. The family was sure that the robbers were in cahoots
with the driver. They were sure that if the robbers had been successful
they all would have been killed, but they were able to complete their trip.

Joe Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY


Pumpenai and Alytus #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

I have access to the Internal Passport files, 1919-1940, for Pumpenai
and Alytus. If you have interest in either town please contact me
personally and not with a message on the digest.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com
www.pusalotas.org


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Pumpenai and Alytus #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

I have access to the Internal Passport files, 1919-1940, for Pumpenai
and Alytus. If you have interest in either town please contact me
personally and not with a message on the digest.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com
www.pusalotas.org


Re: Early 20th Century Death Notices #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<Bobmar37@aol.com> wrote
Several years ago I was looking up some obituaries as a favor for someone
else and found that in those days newspapers didn't have a section for
obituaries. They were squeezed in between news articles and social notices
here and there, particularly in small town newspapers. In one case, I didn't
find the obit I was looking for but simply a notice that a man was home from
out-of-town visiting his mother, with no mention of the father's death!
I am glad to say that this is certainly not the case with Birth
Announcements in the London Jewish Chronicle. I was looking at copies >from
the 1870's at the British Library Newspaper Library in London.

The birth announcements are the very first item in the paper.

Interestingly I found that the announcement for my father's uncle only gave
the Hebrew date, whereas all the others gave the secular date.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Early 20th Century Death Notices #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<Bobmar37@aol.com> wrote
Several years ago I was looking up some obituaries as a favor for someone
else and found that in those days newspapers didn't have a section for
obituaries. They were squeezed in between news articles and social notices
here and there, particularly in small town newspapers. In one case, I didn't
find the obit I was looking for but simply a notice that a man was home from
out-of-town visiting his mother, with no mention of the father's death!
I am glad to say that this is certainly not the case with Birth
Announcements in the London Jewish Chronicle. I was looking at copies >from
the 1870's at the British Library Newspaper Library in London.

The birth announcements are the very first item in the paper.

Interestingly I found that the announcement for my father's uncle only gave
the Hebrew date, whereas all the others gave the secular date.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)