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Photos on Viewmate #ukraine

Rusty Wilson <malachaijunk@...>
 

I have a copy of a 1920's photo album >from my family in Kamencha, Ukraine.
Many of the photos have writing on the back in Yiddish and Russian. I've
posted some of the backs of the photos on Viewmate and I would very much
appreciate translation help >from anyone who speaks Yiddish and/or Russian.
The photos can be seen at Viewmate #'s 7007 - 7011.

Thank you.

Rusty Wilson
Washington, D.C.
malachaijunk@...

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Photos on Viewmate #ukraine

Rusty Wilson <malachaijunk@...>
 

I have a copy of a 1920's photo album >from my family in Kamencha, Ukraine.
Many of the photos have writing on the back in Yiddish and Russian. I've
posted some of the backs of the photos on Viewmate and I would very much
appreciate translation help >from anyone who speaks Yiddish and/or Russian.
The photos can be seen at Viewmate #'s 7007 - 7011.

Thank you.

Rusty Wilson
Washington, D.C.
malachaijunk@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL for this image is
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(where XXX is the number)


Re: Bershad pogroms (central Ukraine/Vinittsya oblast) - circa 1916-1918 #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

Dear Charles Millman,et al.

In the message I sent belated yesterday in response to an inquiry sent some
time ago asking about a pogrom in Bershad I forgot to mention this:

Nadezhda Ulanovskaya's memoir of her shtetl "Bershad."
It is published in Michael Glenny and Norman Stone, "The Other Russia,"
Viking, 1990.

The author, whose grandfather was a rabbi, was born in Bershad in 1904. Her
family was engaged in cloth-trading. She married an anarchist, older than
herself, who had been exiled in the far north. The couple lead an exciting
life, until a purge which I think took place in the 1950s. Then they were made
to suffer in terrible camps, until Stalin's death. Nadezhda lived for some
time in Odessa and 1975 went to live in Israel.

The above is quoted >from a message I sent about four or five years ago
either to the group or to someone privately about Bershad.

I am sorry I neglected to mention this yesterday. Lately I've just not
been able to "get my act together" very well....


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Re: Bershad pogroms (central Ukraine/Vinittsya oblast) - circa 1916-1918 #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

Dear Charles Millman,et al.

In the message I sent belated yesterday in response to an inquiry sent some
time ago asking about a pogrom in Bershad I forgot to mention this:

Nadezhda Ulanovskaya's memoir of her shtetl "Bershad."
It is published in Michael Glenny and Norman Stone, "The Other Russia,"
Viking, 1990.

The author, whose grandfather was a rabbi, was born in Bershad in 1904. Her
family was engaged in cloth-trading. She married an anarchist, older than
herself, who had been exiled in the far north. The couple lead an exciting
life, until a purge which I think took place in the 1950s. Then they were made
to suffer in terrible camps, until Stalin's death. Nadezhda lived for some
time in Odessa and 1975 went to live in Israel.

The above is quoted >from a message I sent about four or five years ago
either to the group or to someone privately about Bershad.

I am sorry I neglected to mention this yesterday. Lately I've just not
been able to "get my act together" very well....


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Re: Pogroms in central Ukraine - Vinittsya oblast -- circa 1916-1918 #ukraine

Roman Vilner <rvilner@...>
 

Naomi Fatouros wrote:
"Although some members of the Tsarist government encouraged the development
of pogroms in early years, this was not the case during WW I " and "Also,
see"

In regard to both I would like to recommend an excellent account of what was
actually happening in the parts of the Pale during WWI, which was written by
S.Ansky, famous for his "The Dybbuk". The book in question is " The Enemy
at His Pleasure : A Journey Through the Jewish Pale of Settlement During
World War I"
Of course I have no financial interest in promoting this book.

Roman Vilner
NY
VILNER, LIEBERMAN, SHMULENSON, PINCHUK


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Pogroms in central Ukraine - Vinittsya oblast -- circa 1916-1918 #ukraine

Roman Vilner <rvilner@...>
 

Naomi Fatouros wrote:
"Although some members of the Tsarist government encouraged the development
of pogroms in early years, this was not the case during WW I " and "Also,
see"

In regard to both I would like to recommend an excellent account of what was
actually happening in the parts of the Pale during WWI, which was written by
S.Ansky, famous for his "The Dybbuk". The book in question is " The Enemy
at His Pleasure : A Journey Through the Jewish Pale of Settlement During
World War I"
Of course I have no financial interest in promoting this book.

Roman Vilner
NY
VILNER, LIEBERMAN, SHMULENSON, PINCHUK


Independant Stanislauer Lodge #ukraine

Lynn Arroyo
 

Dear Henry,
You wrote:

Has anyone ever heard of a Society called Independent Stanislaver Lodge. The
last person who was the contact was a Arthur S Alfert. I have two phone
numbers of him but both seem to be not working anymore.


This was all I could come up with to try to help you. It does give the town
of origin for the society.

I found that if you call the cemetery, they usually have up to date records
for whoever is in charge of the society you are looking for and are usually
very cooperative.

(718) 698-0162 - 1126 Richmond Ave, Staten Island, NY

Cemetery ID: USA-00482
Cemetery Name: Baron Hirsch Cemetery
Section: Independent Stanislauer Lodge #459 IOBA (Section A, Gate 109)
Cemetery Location
Country: USA
State: NY
City: Staten Island
Street:
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials: 260
Number of Photographs:
Cemetery Description:
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin: Ivano-Frankovsk, Ukraine

Sincerely,
Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, FL

Researching: TROIANKER, TROIANSKY, TROYANSKY, TROIANSKJ, TROJANSKI,
TROJANOWSKY, TROJANOVSKY, YURIK, YURICK, URIK, URICK, URICH, ZAMHOFSKY,
ZALMECHOVSKY, SCHWARTZ.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Independant Stanislauer Lodge #ukraine

Lynn Arroyo
 

Dear Henry,
You wrote:

Has anyone ever heard of a Society called Independent Stanislaver Lodge. The
last person who was the contact was a Arthur S Alfert. I have two phone
numbers of him but both seem to be not working anymore.


This was all I could come up with to try to help you. It does give the town
of origin for the society.

I found that if you call the cemetery, they usually have up to date records
for whoever is in charge of the society you are looking for and are usually
very cooperative.

(718) 698-0162 - 1126 Richmond Ave, Staten Island, NY

Cemetery ID: USA-00482
Cemetery Name: Baron Hirsch Cemetery
Section: Independent Stanislauer Lodge #459 IOBA (Section A, Gate 109)
Cemetery Location
Country: USA
State: NY
City: Staten Island
Street:
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials: 260
Number of Photographs:
Cemetery Description:
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin: Ivano-Frankovsk, Ukraine

Sincerely,
Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, FL

Researching: TROIANKER, TROIANSKY, TROYANSKY, TROIANSKJ, TROJANSKI,
TROJANOWSKY, TROJANOVSKY, YURIK, YURICK, URIK, URICK, URICH, ZAMHOFSKY,
ZALMECHOVSKY, SCHWARTZ.


Podolia Uzeyds #ukraine

Lynn Arroyo
 

Dear Terry,

YOU WROTE:

I am trying to determine for 5 different towns which Uzeyd (District)
they belonged to within the Podolia Guberniya. I have researched all
Ukraine-SIG databases and projects and can't find anything. I have been
unable to find any maps that show the boundaries of the Uzeyds within
Podolia in the late 1800's or early 1900's. If anyone can tell me the
correct Uzeyd for these towns or a source that shows the Uzeyd
boundaries I would appreciate it. All of the towns are currently in the
Transnistria area of Moldova (along the Dneister River) but were in the
Ukraine and Podolia guberniya for most of the 19th century and early
20th century. The towns are Frunzauca (Frunzovka), Camenca (Kamenka),
Rashkov, Ribnita (Ribnitsy) and Ofatinti (Vykhvatintsy).

I hope the following will help you:

The town of Frunzovka has coordinates of 49 degrees 21'55.15"N, 33 degrees
32'09.91 E

Perhaps if you put the coordinates in for at least this one town, it may
help you to find the Uzeyds you are looking for.

Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, Florida

Researching: TROIANKER, TROIANSKY, TROYANSKY, TROIANSKJ, TROJANSKI,
TROJANOWSKY, TROJANOVSKY, YURIK, YURICK, URIK, URICK, URICH, ZAMHOFSKY,
ZALMECHOVSKY, SCHWARTZ.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Podolia Uzeyds #ukraine

Lynn Arroyo
 

Dear Terry,

YOU WROTE:

I am trying to determine for 5 different towns which Uzeyd (District)
they belonged to within the Podolia Guberniya. I have researched all
Ukraine-SIG databases and projects and can't find anything. I have been
unable to find any maps that show the boundaries of the Uzeyds within
Podolia in the late 1800's or early 1900's. If anyone can tell me the
correct Uzeyd for these towns or a source that shows the Uzeyd
boundaries I would appreciate it. All of the towns are currently in the
Transnistria area of Moldova (along the Dneister River) but were in the
Ukraine and Podolia guberniya for most of the 19th century and early
20th century. The towns are Frunzauca (Frunzovka), Camenca (Kamenka),
Rashkov, Ribnita (Ribnitsy) and Ofatinti (Vykhvatintsy).

I hope the following will help you:

The town of Frunzovka has coordinates of 49 degrees 21'55.15"N, 33 degrees
32'09.91 E

Perhaps if you put the coordinates in for at least this one town, it may
help you to find the Uzeyds you are looking for.

Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, Florida

Researching: TROIANKER, TROIANSKY, TROYANSKY, TROIANSKJ, TROJANSKI,
TROJANOWSKY, TROJANOVSKY, YURIK, YURICK, URIK, URICK, URICH, ZAMHOFSKY,
ZALMECHOVSKY, SCHWARTZ.


Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

"After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court..."

Although this is also stated on some web sites (and presumably in some
books, too), it is not entirely correct. Beginning September 26th, 1906,
with the creation of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service and
standardization of naturalization laws, federal courts were required to do
naturalizations, but other (e.g., state and county) courts were not
required to stop processing declarations of intention and petitions for
naturalization. Many of them did, to avoid the paperwork and regulatory
requirements, but the decision to stop was apparently made on a
court-by-court basis.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

"After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court..."

Although this is also stated on some web sites (and presumably in some
books, too), it is not entirely correct. Beginning September 26th, 1906,
with the creation of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service and
standardization of naturalization laws, federal courts were required to do
naturalizations, but other (e.g., state and county) courts were not
required to stop processing declarations of intention and petitions for
naturalization. Many of them did, to avoid the paperwork and regulatory
requirements, but the decision to stop was apparently made on a
court-by-court basis.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


The family of Alter BLATT from Philadelphia #general

Harry D. Boonin <hdboonin@...>
 

I am looking for the family of Alter BLATT >from Philadelphia. In 1947, he
lived at XXX Gaskill Street in Philadelphia, PA
Harry D. Boonin
Warrington, PA
hdboonin@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The family of Alter BLATT from Philadelphia #general

Harry D. Boonin <hdboonin@...>
 

I am looking for the family of Alter BLATT >from Philadelphia. In 1947, he
lived at XXX Gaskill Street in Philadelphia, PA
Harry D. Boonin
Warrington, PA
hdboonin@...

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Skala searches #general

Tony Hausner
 

I am searching for the following people who were listed in the Jewishgen
familyfinder as researching for Skala Podolskaya families or sent emails in
the past to Jewishgen listserv regarding Skala. each of these people appear
to have changed their email addresses.

Michael
Wweinraub
Deborah Siegel Thalor
Yoni Ben-Ari
Gerald Shapiro
Carol Adler Zsolnay
Philip J. Leonard
Reba Solomon

if you are one of these people, or know how to contact them, please
get in touch with me at the following email address @thausner

I would like to pursue information about Skala.

Tony Hausner
Silver Sring, MD
researching
Hausner - Skala, galicia, vienna, prague
Zimmerman - Skala
wechsler - mielnica
Heimann - galicia

MODERATOR NOTE: Non working emails at JGFF should be reported to
LostNFound@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Skala searches #general

Tony Hausner
 

I am searching for the following people who were listed in the Jewishgen
familyfinder as researching for Skala Podolskaya families or sent emails in
the past to Jewishgen listserv regarding Skala. each of these people appear
to have changed their email addresses.

Michael
Wweinraub
Deborah Siegel Thalor
Yoni Ben-Ari
Gerald Shapiro
Carol Adler Zsolnay
Philip J. Leonard
Reba Solomon

if you are one of these people, or know how to contact them, please
get in touch with me at the following email address @thausner

I would like to pursue information about Skala.

Tony Hausner
Silver Sring, MD
researching
Hausner - Skala, galicia, vienna, prague
Zimmerman - Skala
wechsler - mielnica
Heimann - galicia

MODERATOR NOTE: Non working emails at JGFF should be reported to
LostNFound@...


Lutsk Ukraine Birth Certificate - Best approach #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

I have done some reading and am more confused than ever! What is the
best place >from which to request a birth certificate for a person born
here in 1880? What fees are associated?

Howie Axelrod


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lutsk Ukraine Birth Certificate - Best approach #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

I have done some reading and am more confused than ever! What is the
best place >from which to request a birth certificate for a person born
here in 1880? What fees are associated?

Howie Axelrod


Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:59 UTC, dmc@... (Doug Cohen)
opined:

After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and
ask them for the naturalization petition.
snip <
From: "Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@...>

This is very interesting to me. I had been led to believe that
naturalizations were done in county courts as well, even after 1906.
Is this my misunderstanding? I have sought the natuaralization of my
pgf in the records of the pertinent county courts (Essex and Hudson
counties, in NJ) without success; have I been barking up the wrong
tree? That's easy to do >from this distance.

My tentative conclusion had been that he was not, in fact naturalized,
although he was telling census enumerators >from 1910 that he was a
citizen.

snip <
Stan -

Doug's information about the location of the naturalization papers
is not correct. There is confusion here between NARA and
the INS. After 1906, the naturalizatons could still take place
in any court. What happened in 1906 is that the naturalization process
came under the jurisdiction of the US Federal government, so that
the policy and documentation would be standardized. A copy of the
paperwork was sent to the Bureau of Naturalization, which is now
the INS. Look at this website for more information
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/natzrec/natrec.htm

If your grandfather was naturalized after 1906, you should follow the
instructions to request a freedom of information act request.

A person could still go to any court in order to apply for citizenship.
In fact, the writer of the original question said exactly that -

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@...> wrote
There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on
the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920.
In general, NARA does not have records that were created at the state &
local levels regardless of the time period. The exception to this statement
is that some states donated their state records to NARA. NARA would only
have the naturalization records for the Federal District or circuit courts
of the various states. These records would be located in the regional NARA
branch which holds the federal records pertaining to your state.

At the state level then, the records could be in any court, including the State
Supreme Court, or the local criminal court, or the county courts in states which
them. If you have actually searched the county court records in NJ, and didn't
find them, and you have searched at NARA, you probably need to go back
to New Jersey and see if there are other courts where these records could
be located. My great grand father was naturalized in RI at the state's
Supreme Court in 1901, and his sisters at the US District court in RI in 1931.

Sometimes the courts are not aware that naturalizations occured there, especially
if this is a service they no longer provide. You should check with a state or
county historical society to get a better idea of where these records might be.
In RI, they have a state judicial archive center which contains all the
naturalizations processed in their courts.

According to "They Became Americans", Loretto Dennis Szucs, the
NJ State archives has NJ naturalization records for the colonial period and
part of the 19th century. She also says most of the naturalization records from
1800's to the present are filed at each county clerk's office, and not the court.

I found this web address for the NJ state archives, but it seems to be out
of service at the moment - hopefully just a temporary glitch
http://www.njarchives.org/links/archives.html

Unfortunately, some of the older records >from the states' courts did not survive,
or will not provide much useful information even if you do find them.
There is always the possibility your ancestor was never naturalized....

I have never sent for a passport application, so I can't help with that.

My information is >from the above mentioned book, the NARA website,
and the INS info page.

Hope this helps you and others find something,
Lisa Lepore
llepore@...
Mendon, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:59 UTC, dmc@... (Doug Cohen)
opined:

After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and
ask them for the naturalization petition.
snip <
From: "Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@...>

This is very interesting to me. I had been led to believe that
naturalizations were done in county courts as well, even after 1906.
Is this my misunderstanding? I have sought the natuaralization of my
pgf in the records of the pertinent county courts (Essex and Hudson
counties, in NJ) without success; have I been barking up the wrong
tree? That's easy to do >from this distance.

My tentative conclusion had been that he was not, in fact naturalized,
although he was telling census enumerators >from 1910 that he was a
citizen.

snip <
Stan -

Doug's information about the location of the naturalization papers
is not correct. There is confusion here between NARA and
the INS. After 1906, the naturalizatons could still take place
in any court. What happened in 1906 is that the naturalization process
came under the jurisdiction of the US Federal government, so that
the policy and documentation would be standardized. A copy of the
paperwork was sent to the Bureau of Naturalization, which is now
the INS. Look at this website for more information
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/natzrec/natrec.htm

If your grandfather was naturalized after 1906, you should follow the
instructions to request a freedom of information act request.

A person could still go to any court in order to apply for citizenship.
In fact, the writer of the original question said exactly that -

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@...> wrote
There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on
the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920.
In general, NARA does not have records that were created at the state &
local levels regardless of the time period. The exception to this statement
is that some states donated their state records to NARA. NARA would only
have the naturalization records for the Federal District or circuit courts
of the various states. These records would be located in the regional NARA
branch which holds the federal records pertaining to your state.

At the state level then, the records could be in any court, including the State
Supreme Court, or the local criminal court, or the county courts in states which
them. If you have actually searched the county court records in NJ, and didn't
find them, and you have searched at NARA, you probably need to go back
to New Jersey and see if there are other courts where these records could
be located. My great grand father was naturalized in RI at the state's
Supreme Court in 1901, and his sisters at the US District court in RI in 1931.

Sometimes the courts are not aware that naturalizations occured there, especially
if this is a service they no longer provide. You should check with a state or
county historical society to get a better idea of where these records might be.
In RI, they have a state judicial archive center which contains all the
naturalizations processed in their courts.

According to "They Became Americans", Loretto Dennis Szucs, the
NJ State archives has NJ naturalization records for the colonial period and
part of the 19th century. She also says most of the naturalization records from
1800's to the present are filed at each county clerk's office, and not the court.

I found this web address for the NJ state archives, but it seems to be out
of service at the moment - hopefully just a temporary glitch
http://www.njarchives.org/links/archives.html

Unfortunately, some of the older records >from the states' courts did not survive,
or will not provide much useful information even if you do find them.
There is always the possibility your ancestor was never naturalized....

I have never sent for a passport application, so I can't help with that.

My information is >from the above mentioned book, the NARA website,
and the INS info page.

Hope this helps you and others find something,
Lisa Lepore
llepore@...
Mendon, MA