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Photo Identification - KESTLER #hungary

Dora Donis
 

Dear Listers,

I have posted a photograph, VM7055, in the hope that
someone might recognize this lady, quite possibly, my
gggrandmother, ESSIE KESTLER. The photograph was
taken in either BUDAPEST or VIENNA around the mid
1800s.

Please view the photograph and contact me if you know
her identity.

Eternally grateful.
Dora M. Donis-Kestler
ddonis@...
USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Photo Identification - KESTLER #hungary

Dora Donis
 

Dear Listers,

I have posted a photograph, VM7055, in the hope that
someone might recognize this lady, quite possibly, my
gggrandmother, ESSIE KESTLER. The photograph was
taken in either BUDAPEST or VIENNA around the mid
1800s.

Please view the photograph and contact me if you know
her identity.

Eternally grateful.
Dora M. Donis-Kestler
ddonis@...
USA


Re: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

Peter Stern <drpstern@...>
 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : g_hirsch@... [mailto:g_hirsch@...]
Envoyé : samedi 5 novembre 2005 18:25
À : H-SIG
Objet : RE: [h-sig] TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE

May be it is word splitting but the word Kreisler resp. its translation
"cereal trader" seemed unprobable. Neither I (living 48 years in the German
part of Switzerland) nor my wife (born and raised in the german Swiss part)
did ever hear and I didn't find it in German-Hungarian, German-Englisch
vocabulary and it is not listed in Duden, in Knauer Lexikon or in
Wikipedia.de, there are 42 entries of Artists, componists and other
personalities but there is no trade or profession under this word. In
MS_Encarta 2004, the probable root of Kreisler namely Kreisel is explained
as Kreiselgyroscop, an instrument for navigation. Kreisel is also a toy,
(trendel play on Hannukah) and in traffic Kreisel (Kreisverkehr) is a
roundabout, traffic circle or rotary.

Cereal/corn/grain trader/dealer/broker is in German Getreidehaendler and in
Hungarian gabona(takarmany)kereskedö

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


I think David Laufer's reading of the word is correct but I couldn't find
any matching profession. The most resembling word I found was "Kreisler" :
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/AMF/praxistipps/latein/berufe/#k

After David's message, I tried "Kreusler" again, couldn't find it anywhere
except as a quite common surname. Searching this surname's origin, lead to
http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/kade/nameword/apend-a.html but I'm far from
understanding what the connection between "curly" or "spinned top" and
"Kornfruchthaendler" might be.

Best regards

Peter Stern
Chartres, France


Re: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i know very little german, but for what it's worth, a web search for "kreisler, origins" turned up a possible origin (on a "family crest" site) >from the medieval german word for "potter".

....... tom klein, toronto

Peter Reiniger <p_reinig@...> wrote:

The German word "Kreisler" (cereal trader?) does not exist. It could
be "Greisler" i.e. a small shopkeeper.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

Peter Stern <drpstern@...>
 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : g_hirsch@... [mailto:g_hirsch@...]
Envoyé : samedi 5 novembre 2005 18:25
À : H-SIG
Objet : RE: [h-sig] TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE

May be it is word splitting but the word Kreisler resp. its translation
"cereal trader" seemed unprobable. Neither I (living 48 years in the German
part of Switzerland) nor my wife (born and raised in the german Swiss part)
did ever hear and I didn't find it in German-Hungarian, German-Englisch
vocabulary and it is not listed in Duden, in Knauer Lexikon or in
Wikipedia.de, there are 42 entries of Artists, componists and other
personalities but there is no trade or profession under this word. In
MS_Encarta 2004, the probable root of Kreisler namely Kreisel is explained
as Kreiselgyroscop, an instrument for navigation. Kreisel is also a toy,
(trendel play on Hannukah) and in traffic Kreisel (Kreisverkehr) is a
roundabout, traffic circle or rotary.

Cereal/corn/grain trader/dealer/broker is in German Getreidehaendler and in
Hungarian gabona(takarmany)kereskedö

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


I think David Laufer's reading of the word is correct but I couldn't find
any matching profession. The most resembling word I found was "Kreisler" :
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/AMF/praxistipps/latein/berufe/#k

After David's message, I tried "Kreusler" again, couldn't find it anywhere
except as a quite common surname. Searching this surname's origin, lead to
http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/kade/nameword/apend-a.html but I'm far from
understanding what the connection between "curly" or "spinned top" and
"Kornfruchthaendler" might be.

Best regards

Peter Stern
Chartres, France


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i know very little german, but for what it's worth, a web search for "kreisler, origins" turned up a possible origin (on a "family crest" site) >from the medieval german word for "potter".

....... tom klein, toronto

Peter Reiniger <p_reinig@...> wrote:

The German word "Kreisler" (cereal trader?) does not exist. It could
be "Greisler" i.e. a small shopkeeper.


Re: UTITZ or OTITZ family from Votice and Prague #austria-czech

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <w.eckstein@...>
 

Most information about this family you will find in books (in german: Nathan
ben Simon und seine Kinder, dtv, Muenchen 1996) by Gerda HOFFER nee
POLLATSCHEK, granddaughter of Rudolf LION and Emilie UTITZ - she lives in
Yerusalem - it's her family and her tree has also David GLASNER. Also the
famous Wolf PAULI, son of Jakob PASCHELES and Helene nee UTITZ.
Heinrich UTITZ and Anna LEVY's children:
Alfred, son Eric
Jakob, wife Doris ENGLAENDER
Julia, husband Arthur BERGER, children: Traute marr. Franz KLEIN, Ellen
marr. Mordechai GLASNER

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Glasner" <daviditi@...>

I searc UTITZ or OTITZ >from Votice and Prague.
My mothers family UTITZ:
Abraham b. prague d. Prague 1796
His son Isack Lob b.1765 d. 1806
His son Abraham b. 1800 d.1873
his son Heinrich b. 1850 d. 1941 KZ
His Daughter - Julia - was my grandmother !!

All lived in Prague
Origin of family Nathan Ben Simon b. 1610 d. 1678 in Votice.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: UTITZ or OTITZ family from Votice and Prague #austria-czech

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <w.eckstein@...>
 

Most information about this family you will find in books (in german: Nathan
ben Simon und seine Kinder, dtv, Muenchen 1996) by Gerda HOFFER nee
POLLATSCHEK, granddaughter of Rudolf LION and Emilie UTITZ - she lives in
Yerusalem - it's her family and her tree has also David GLASNER. Also the
famous Wolf PAULI, son of Jakob PASCHELES and Helene nee UTITZ.
Heinrich UTITZ and Anna LEVY's children:
Alfred, son Eric
Jakob, wife Doris ENGLAENDER
Julia, husband Arthur BERGER, children: Traute marr. Franz KLEIN, Ellen
marr. Mordechai GLASNER

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Glasner" <daviditi@...>

I searc UTITZ or OTITZ >from Votice and Prague.
My mothers family UTITZ:
Abraham b. prague d. Prague 1796
His son Isack Lob b.1765 d. 1806
His son Abraham b. 1800 d.1873
his son Heinrich b. 1850 d. 1941 KZ
His Daughter - Julia - was my grandmother !!

All lived in Prague
Origin of family Nathan Ben Simon b. 1610 d. 1678 in Votice.


Re: UTITZ or OTITZ family from Votice and Prague #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Glasner [Israel] asks about his maternal UTITZ
or OTITZ families >from Prague and originally from
Votice [Wottitz], Berouner Kreis. David writes that
the first established forefather of the family is
Nathan ben Simon b. 1610 d. 1678 in Votice. There
appears to be a gap between Nathan and the next-listed
descendant:

Abraham born Prague d. Prague 1796
His son Isack Lob b.1765 d. 1806
His son Abraham b. 1800 d.1873
His son Heinrich b. 1850 d. 1941 KZ
His daughter - Julia - {David's grandmother}.

Having last night returned >from two hectic weeks in
Vienna, my contribution has not been researched in
depth. I can confirm that in the 1793 census of
Bohemia there is not one single UTITZ or OTITZ listed
outside Prague. We will have to wait for the Prague
census before looking into these families in detail.
They may have been named WOTTITZ, like my own family,
before the name changed to UTITZ. In that case, there
would be a number of possible leads in the 1793
census.

Also without more detailed research I cannot confirm
the snippet of information, I have stored in my
subconscious that there was a connection between the
PAULI and the UTITZ families.

Wolfgang PAULI, a Nobel prize winner in quantum
physics was born in Vienna to Wolfgang JOSEPH and his
wife Berta Camilla SCHUTZ. Father Wolfgang trained in
Prague as a doctor and practiced in Vienna, but in
1898 he changed his name to Wolfgang Joseph PAULI and
subsequently converted to catholicism, which he
subsequently renounced. The famous scientist Ernst
MACH inspired Wolfgang JOSEPH and when his son was
born on 25 April 1900 he was named Wolfgang Ernst
PAULI. He died on 15.12.1958 in Zurich - see:

http://tinyurl.com/76wcg
and http://tinyurl.com/8pydq

Then there is Emil Utitz [27.05 1883 Prague - 2. 11.
1956 Jena], a survivor of Theresienstadt, who will
always be remembered not only for his contributions to
philosophy but for saving some of Viktor ULLMANN's
musical score for posterity to enjoy. Emil was the son
of a Prague leather manufacturer. For a photograph and
account in Czech see:

http://www.phil.muni.cz/fil/scf/komplet/utitz.html
http://sharat.co.il/lel/terezin/music.html

I remembered a posting on our SIG about Emil, so I
will refer David to Lisa Fabietti's message on 3 Mar
2003 re looking for the descendants of Emil and
Ottilie UTITZ. Among his heirs is a Vitezslav ABELES.

We can find three UTITZ buried in Vienna and there may
be a link with the above family:

Zentralfriedhof Tor I 51 2 87
UTITZ Emilie aged 81 buried 12.01.1927
UTITZ Isak Löb Dr. aged 63 buried 15.06.1903

Wahring Friedhof: Gp 19 Grave 323
UTITZ Ida aged 24, 16.02.1849 - 11.07.1873

Finally sadly, one alway has to check Yad Vashem where
there are quite a few UTITZ victims and some with
testimony, including one in Hebrew >from Ellen GLASNER
for Jula BERGER, born 1884, the wife of Arthur BERGER
of Prague. Julie was the daughter of Heinrich and Anna
UTITZ - so I assume this is David's grandmother,
listed above and and Ellen is David's mother? I have
not identified Heinrich on Yad vashem but David has
also indicated that he was a holocaust victim, see:

http://names.yadvashem.org

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: UTITZ or OTITZ family from Votice and Prague #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Glasner [Israel] asks about his maternal UTITZ
or OTITZ families >from Prague and originally from
Votice [Wottitz], Berouner Kreis. David writes that
the first established forefather of the family is
Nathan ben Simon b. 1610 d. 1678 in Votice. There
appears to be a gap between Nathan and the next-listed
descendant:

Abraham born Prague d. Prague 1796
His son Isack Lob b.1765 d. 1806
His son Abraham b. 1800 d.1873
His son Heinrich b. 1850 d. 1941 KZ
His daughter - Julia - {David's grandmother}.

Having last night returned >from two hectic weeks in
Vienna, my contribution has not been researched in
depth. I can confirm that in the 1793 census of
Bohemia there is not one single UTITZ or OTITZ listed
outside Prague. We will have to wait for the Prague
census before looking into these families in detail.
They may have been named WOTTITZ, like my own family,
before the name changed to UTITZ. In that case, there
would be a number of possible leads in the 1793
census.

Also without more detailed research I cannot confirm
the snippet of information, I have stored in my
subconscious that there was a connection between the
PAULI and the UTITZ families.

Wolfgang PAULI, a Nobel prize winner in quantum
physics was born in Vienna to Wolfgang JOSEPH and his
wife Berta Camilla SCHUTZ. Father Wolfgang trained in
Prague as a doctor and practiced in Vienna, but in
1898 he changed his name to Wolfgang Joseph PAULI and
subsequently converted to catholicism, which he
subsequently renounced. The famous scientist Ernst
MACH inspired Wolfgang JOSEPH and when his son was
born on 25 April 1900 he was named Wolfgang Ernst
PAULI. He died on 15.12.1958 in Zurich - see:

http://tinyurl.com/76wcg
and http://tinyurl.com/8pydq

Then there is Emil Utitz [27.05 1883 Prague - 2. 11.
1956 Jena], a survivor of Theresienstadt, who will
always be remembered not only for his contributions to
philosophy but for saving some of Viktor ULLMANN's
musical score for posterity to enjoy. Emil was the son
of a Prague leather manufacturer. For a photograph and
account in Czech see:

http://www.phil.muni.cz/fil/scf/komplet/utitz.html
http://sharat.co.il/lel/terezin/music.html

I remembered a posting on our SIG about Emil, so I
will refer David to Lisa Fabietti's message on 3 Mar
2003 re looking for the descendants of Emil and
Ottilie UTITZ. Among his heirs is a Vitezslav ABELES.

We can find three UTITZ buried in Vienna and there may
be a link with the above family:

Zentralfriedhof Tor I 51 2 87
UTITZ Emilie aged 81 buried 12.01.1927
UTITZ Isak Löb Dr. aged 63 buried 15.06.1903

Wahring Friedhof: Gp 19 Grave 323
UTITZ Ida aged 24, 16.02.1849 - 11.07.1873

Finally sadly, one alway has to check Yad Vashem where
there are quite a few UTITZ victims and some with
testimony, including one in Hebrew >from Ellen GLASNER
for Jula BERGER, born 1884, the wife of Arthur BERGER
of Prague. Julie was the daughter of Heinrich and Anna
UTITZ - so I assume this is David's grandmother,
listed above and and Ellen is David's mother? I have
not identified Heinrich on Yad vashem but David has
also indicated that he was a holocaust victim, see:

http://names.yadvashem.org

Celia Male [U.K.]


New Memorial Site at former Vienna Aspang Station Site #austria-czech

Fritz Neubauer
 

In the newly published German Jewish monthly "Juedische Zeitung" Michael
Weithofer reports in the November issue >from Vienna that a new memorial
site is planned at the place where until 1977 the Aspang Railway Station
was standing. >from this Vienna railway station the deportations trains
with more than 60.000 people left for the various camps. The article
also has a picture of the present memorial plate with the inscription
"In den Jahren 1939-1942 wurden vom ehemaligen Aspangbahnhof
zehntausende österreichische Juden in Vernichtungslager transportiert
und kehrten nicht mehr zurück. Niemals vergessen." (In the years
1939-1942 ten thousands austrian Jews were transported to extermination
camps and did not return. Never forget.). It is planned to replace this
plate by a Memorial in the middle of a larger park area adjoining a
newly built school with the motto "Memorial Place for the deported
neighbour". A competition among school pupils has taken place. Another
memorial building is planned at Vienna University where a former prayer
pavillion has been renovated.
I can provide article on paper or jpg mail,

with best regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech New Memorial Site at former Vienna Aspang Station Site #austria-czech

Fritz Neubauer
 

In the newly published German Jewish monthly "Juedische Zeitung" Michael
Weithofer reports in the November issue >from Vienna that a new memorial
site is planned at the place where until 1977 the Aspang Railway Station
was standing. >from this Vienna railway station the deportations trains
with more than 60.000 people left for the various camps. The article
also has a picture of the present memorial plate with the inscription
"In den Jahren 1939-1942 wurden vom ehemaligen Aspangbahnhof
zehntausende österreichische Juden in Vernichtungslager transportiert
und kehrten nicht mehr zurück. Niemals vergessen." (In the years
1939-1942 ten thousands austrian Jews were transported to extermination
camps and did not return. Never forget.). It is planned to replace this
plate by a Memorial in the middle of a larger park area adjoining a
newly built school with the motto "Memorial Place for the deported
neighbour". A competition among school pupils has taken place. Another
memorial building is planned at Vienna University where a former prayer
pavillion has been renovated.
I can provide article on paper or jpg mail,

with best regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany


Re: Could "Yitzhak" be translated as "Alexander?" #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <242.9f83e4.30a1386e@...>, <HeyJudy123@...> wrote:

Would anyone know if, back in Czarist Russia, "Alexander" would have been a
reasonable interpretation of the Yiddish first name "Yitzhak?"
Theoretically, there is absolutely no relationship between the two names.
This, of course, would not prevent anyone with the name
Yitzhak >from calling himself Alexander.

Yitzhak is a biblical Hebrew name, and Alexander is a Greek name
which has found its way into many languages including Hebrew and
Russian (first made popular, of course, because of Alexander the
Great). Its popularity in 19th century Russia was presumably
increased because of the tsars of that name, especially (for the
Jews) the reformer Alexander II.

Robert Israel
israel@...
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Could "Yitzhak" be translated as "Alexander?" #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <242.9f83e4.30a1386e@...>, <HeyJudy123@...> wrote:

Would anyone know if, back in Czarist Russia, "Alexander" would have been a
reasonable interpretation of the Yiddish first name "Yitzhak?"
Theoretically, there is absolutely no relationship between the two names.
This, of course, would not prevent anyone with the name
Yitzhak >from calling himself Alexander.

Yitzhak is a biblical Hebrew name, and Alexander is a Greek name
which has found its way into many languages including Hebrew and
Russian (first made popular, of course, because of Alexander the
Great). Its popularity in 19th century Russia was presumably
increased because of the tsars of that name, especially (for the
Jews) the reformer Alexander II.

Robert Israel
israel@...
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Ellis Is and Castle Garden - 1893 - search produces same record? #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

Both EI and CG databases have the H.h Meier arriving on 9/11/1893. A
search at each site will produce the same record as well?
Can anyone explain?

Where did the ship actually unload passengers, and why does a search
at each site produce the same people?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Is and Castle Garden - 1893 - search produces same record? #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

Both EI and CG databases have the H.h Meier arriving on 9/11/1893. A
search at each site will produce the same record as well?
Can anyone explain?

Where did the ship actually unload passengers, and why does a search
at each site produce the same people?


SOKOLOV - MALVIDSON #scandinavia

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

Firstly I would like to thank all of those who
responded so promptly and with such generous
information.

In the meantime, I have spoken to my elderly relative
and it would appear that I had some incorrect
information.

My greatgrandmother Freya nee SOKOLOV had family
called MALVIDSON/MAELVIDSON who may have been in
banking. This is the branch that moved to Sweden.

If that family surname rings a bell with anyone of
family who moved to Sweden >from Latvia maybe around
1905-1915 (very approximate dates), then please
contact me.

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel


Searching:
REICHZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds



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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia SOKOLOV - MALVIDSON #scandinavia

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

Firstly I would like to thank all of those who
responded so promptly and with such generous
information.

In the meantime, I have spoken to my elderly relative
and it would appear that I had some incorrect
information.

My greatgrandmother Freya nee SOKOLOV had family
called MALVIDSON/MAELVIDSON who may have been in
banking. This is the branch that moved to Sweden.

If that family surname rings a bell with anyone of
family who moved to Sweden >from Latvia maybe around
1905-1915 (very approximate dates), then please
contact me.

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel


Searching:
REICHZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds



__________________________________
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http://farechase.yahoo.com


Seek vital records of Przyroscheln - once part of Germany #germany

Shelly Crane
 

Hello!
I am reseraching whereabouts of Jewish records >from the village
Przyroscheln, Kreis Johannisberg in Eastern Prussia (today is known as Przerosl).
Village was also known as Eszeruppen or Walddorf in the past).
Kreis Johannisberg is located in Allestein (today Olsztyn) Province of East
Prussia. If you have any advice, please respond privately, Regards,

Shelly Crane crzprncess@...

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German SIG #Germany Seek vital records of Przyroscheln - once part of Germany #germany

Shelly Crane
 

Hello!
I am reseraching whereabouts of Jewish records >from the village
Przyroscheln, Kreis Johannisberg in Eastern Prussia (today is known as Przerosl).
Village was also known as Eszeruppen or Walddorf in the past).
Kreis Johannisberg is located in Allestein (today Olsztyn) Province of East
Prussia. If you have any advice, please respond privately, Regards,

Shelly Crane crzprncess@...

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