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Routes From Minsk to Baltic Ports #belarus

Edna Hoover
 

In trying to locate information on our KATZENELLENSON/NELSON branch from
Bobruisk in the Minsk area, I found lots of EIDB passenger records showing
last residence as Libau, which I understand to be the port in Latvia. I've
found the FEEFHS maps to be very useful in tracing migration routes.

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/libau/libau.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/libau/lib001.html

Responding to : MavAlan Shaffer <mavalan_shaffer@...> 14 Oct 2005

"I would be really grateful for some geographical help. Our grandparents
told us they met on the boat coming over to England. We assumed this to be
from a Baltic port...Does anyone know how people may have travelled from
shtetls in Minsk to the Baltic ports?...Does anyone have a map of this area
at that time?" Mav Shaffer, Essex, England

Edna Hoover
B'klyn NY
For: KATZENELLENSON/ NELSON & BALATNIKOV/BOLOTNIKOFF Bobruisk, Belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Routes From Minsk to Baltic Ports #belarus

Edna Hoover
 

In trying to locate information on our KATZENELLENSON/NELSON branch from
Bobruisk in the Minsk area, I found lots of EIDB passenger records showing
last residence as Libau, which I understand to be the port in Latvia. I've
found the FEEFHS maps to be very useful in tracing migration routes.

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/libau/libau.html

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/libau/lib001.html

Responding to : MavAlan Shaffer <mavalan_shaffer@...> 14 Oct 2005

"I would be really grateful for some geographical help. Our grandparents
told us they met on the boat coming over to England. We assumed this to be
from a Baltic port...Does anyone know how people may have travelled from
shtetls in Minsk to the Baltic ports?...Does anyone have a map of this area
at that time?" Mav Shaffer, Essex, England

Edna Hoover
B'klyn NY
For: KATZENELLENSON/ NELSON & BALATNIKOV/BOLOTNIKOFF Bobruisk, Belarus


Searching Lodz and other databases #yizkorbooks

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

I have received several inquiries about the information I posted regarding
Lodz (and other) databases. Hope this clarifies:

1. The databases are searchable databases, not static lists. You cannot
browse the entire town or whole list. You must do a search on a surname.

2. On the Holocaust database, one surname search will list that name
wherever it appears in any of the 100 separate data files, so you don't have
to go through each file separately. You cannot search one datafile
independently. These relatively smaller databases do not have their own
individual search engines as does the Lodz Ghetto Residents database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html . You will need
to search these other databases by going to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/

3. It is very important to READ THE INTRODUCTIONS and check out the
highlighted terms, which often refer you to lists of occupations or a
translation of terms and even the columns used in the databases. It is very
hard to understand the content of the database without reading the intro.
For information on each of the databases, scroll down and click on the links
on that same page. For example, Chelmno is one of the databases listed.
Click on that link to get to the explanation about the database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0114_Lodz-transports.html

4. Anyone can do a basic search but must have a JewishGen ID number. To get
this sign up at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ (no cost). When the request
appears to log onto a database, you will need that number. A basic search
allows you to input only in the first search box. Only contributors can do
an advanced search which allows you to search additional boxes at the same
time so that, for example, you can search on a surname and given name
together.

Another searchable database, not housed on JewishGen, containing about
20,000 Lodz names was compiled by Daniel Kazez. Check out
http://www.benkazez.com/dan/crarg/search.php

Please remember to list the ancestors you are researching on the JewishGen
Family Finder http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ If you are listed, others
researching the same names, or who have information about the names you are
researching, will be able to contact you.

Good luck with your research.

Regards,
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Scarsdale, New York
Researching:
SEIBEL and SZAEFER ---Klimontow, Nadbrzezie, Konary, Grebow, Krakow, Baronow
Sandomierski, Rozwadow, Tarnobrzeg, Zukow in Poland; Lviv in Ukraine
(Galicia)
KLOSS and OSER ---Klimontow, Konary, Radom in Poland
PRZYBYLSKI (later BILSKY) and PIASKOWSKI ---Belchatow, Lodz in Poland
URBACH, RUKALSKI, ROZICKA, MANDELBAUM --- Wegrow, Czerwonka, Warsaw, Minsk
Mazowiecki, Radom in Poland

Original post:

From: "Roni S. Liebowitz" <roni19@...>

Recently Joyce Field announced several new databases
..................snip

* "Lodz Transports to the Chelmno Extermination Camp"
.......snip

* "Lodz Ghetto Residents Database"
A record of the 240,000 inhabitants of the Lodz Ghetto. .....snip

* Lodz Ghetto Hospital Illness Records"
Entries include over 5,600 persons with contagious diseases ...snip

* "Lodz Ghetto Hospital Deaths"
There are over 14,000 deaths recorded in hospitals in the Lodz Ghetto,
Nov > 1941 thru Jun 1944.

For other databases related to the Holocaust, see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/

* "Jewish Records Indexing - Poland (JRI-Poland)" is a non-profit,
independent organization.
......snip............ http://www.jri-poland.org

Detailed explanations about each of these databases are available on
the
sites.
.........snip........ take the time to read the explanations. If you
can't wait, then read them after your
searches <G>.

You can access all the databases by searching through the All Poland
Database http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Searching Lodz and other databases #yizkorbooks

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

I have received several inquiries about the information I posted regarding
Lodz (and other) databases. Hope this clarifies:

1. The databases are searchable databases, not static lists. You cannot
browse the entire town or whole list. You must do a search on a surname.

2. On the Holocaust database, one surname search will list that name
wherever it appears in any of the 100 separate data files, so you don't have
to go through each file separately. You cannot search one datafile
independently. These relatively smaller databases do not have their own
individual search engines as does the Lodz Ghetto Residents database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html . You will need
to search these other databases by going to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/

3. It is very important to READ THE INTRODUCTIONS and check out the
highlighted terms, which often refer you to lists of occupations or a
translation of terms and even the columns used in the databases. It is very
hard to understand the content of the database without reading the intro.
For information on each of the databases, scroll down and click on the links
on that same page. For example, Chelmno is one of the databases listed.
Click on that link to get to the explanation about the database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0114_Lodz-transports.html

4. Anyone can do a basic search but must have a JewishGen ID number. To get
this sign up at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ (no cost). When the request
appears to log onto a database, you will need that number. A basic search
allows you to input only in the first search box. Only contributors can do
an advanced search which allows you to search additional boxes at the same
time so that, for example, you can search on a surname and given name
together.

Another searchable database, not housed on JewishGen, containing about
20,000 Lodz names was compiled by Daniel Kazez. Check out
http://www.benkazez.com/dan/crarg/search.php

Please remember to list the ancestors you are researching on the JewishGen
Family Finder http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ If you are listed, others
researching the same names, or who have information about the names you are
researching, will be able to contact you.

Good luck with your research.

Regards,
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Scarsdale, New York
Researching:
SEIBEL and SZAEFER ---Klimontow, Nadbrzezie, Konary, Grebow, Krakow, Baronow
Sandomierski, Rozwadow, Tarnobrzeg, Zukow in Poland; Lviv in Ukraine
(Galicia)
KLOSS and OSER ---Klimontow, Konary, Radom in Poland
PRZYBYLSKI (later BILSKY) and PIASKOWSKI ---Belchatow, Lodz in Poland
URBACH, RUKALSKI, ROZICKA, MANDELBAUM --- Wegrow, Czerwonka, Warsaw, Minsk
Mazowiecki, Radom in Poland

Original post:

From: "Roni S. Liebowitz" <roni19@...>

Recently Joyce Field announced several new databases
..................snip

* "Lodz Transports to the Chelmno Extermination Camp"
.......snip

* "Lodz Ghetto Residents Database"
A record of the 240,000 inhabitants of the Lodz Ghetto. .....snip

* Lodz Ghetto Hospital Illness Records"
Entries include over 5,600 persons with contagious diseases ...snip

* "Lodz Ghetto Hospital Deaths"
There are over 14,000 deaths recorded in hospitals in the Lodz Ghetto,
Nov > 1941 thru Jun 1944.

For other databases related to the Holocaust, see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/

* "Jewish Records Indexing - Poland (JRI-Poland)" is a non-profit,
independent organization.
......snip............ http://www.jri-poland.org

Detailed explanations about each of these databases are available on
the
sites.
.........snip........ take the time to read the explanations. If you
can't wait, then read them after your
searches <G>.

You can access all the databases by searching through the All Poland
Database http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/


Suggestions for your Galicia list settings #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

Dear All,

Some people set automated messages when going away on vacation or when away
from the office computer where they receive their list messages. If this
applies to you, it would be most helpful if you were to stop the mail from
Galicia (and/or other lists) >from this auto-responder. Fortunately,
JewishGen has an easy way to do this.

Otherwise, each day that you are away, each list moderator might get a message
that "So and So" is out of the office, etc. Then each moderator has to
reject each message each day. The other problem is that the auto reponder might
go out to all the subscribers to this list (over 1300)!

Here's JewishGen's solution:

On http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/vacation.asp , you will read:

To temporarily stop your mailing list subscriptions to the JewishGen
Discussion Group mailing list and any of the Special Interest Group mailing
lists, please use the "NOMAIL" subscription option.=A0 The "NOMAIL" setting
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Retrieving old messages:=A0 To retrieve or view messages that you have missed=
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see Question 3.8 in the JewishGen Support Center.

There is also a way to change your email address temporarily. Also on
http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/vacation.asp

Your assistance is very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

The Moderators


Shelley K. Pollero
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Suggestions for your Galicia list settings #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

Dear All,

Some people set automated messages when going away on vacation or when away
from the office computer where they receive their list messages. If this
applies to you, it would be most helpful if you were to stop the mail from
Galicia (and/or other lists) >from this auto-responder. Fortunately,
JewishGen has an easy way to do this.

Otherwise, each day that you are away, each list moderator might get a message
that "So and So" is out of the office, etc. Then each moderator has to
reject each message each day. The other problem is that the auto reponder might
go out to all the subscribers to this list (over 1300)!

Here's JewishGen's solution:

On http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/vacation.asp , you will read:

To temporarily stop your mailing list subscriptions to the JewishGen
Discussion Group mailing list and any of the Special Interest Group mailing
lists, please use the "NOMAIL" subscription option.=A0 The "NOMAIL" setting
does not un-subscribe you >from any list; it stops the mail >from that list
temporarily.=A0 When you are back home again, you can re-instate all of your
subscriptions using the "Back >from Vacation" section below.

To set all of your mailing list subscriptions to "NOMAIL", click the button
below.

Back >from Vacation...

If you set your subscriptions to "NOMAIL", and you are now ready to receive
mail again, click the button below to change all of your mailing list
subscriptions to DIGEST mode (the default mode for our mailing lists).=A0 To
use any of the other subscription modes (MAIL or INDEX), go to the Mailing
List Management page to see a display of all of your mailing list
subscriptions, and then make changes to individual lists by selecting their
"Modify Subscription" icons.

Retrieving old messages:=A0 To retrieve or view messages that you have missed=
,
see Question 3.8 in the JewishGen Support Center.

There is also a way to change your email address temporarily. Also on
http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/vacation.asp

Your assistance is very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

The Moderators


Shelley K. Pollero
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/


Descendants of Reb Moshe of Kletzk #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Looking for a detailed family tree of descendants of Reb Moshe of
Kletzk who was the father of the Rabbi of Novarodok some two
centuries ago.

I am interested in details regarding other children he may have had
besides the above Rav Dovid.

Happy New Year and Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari
Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of Reb Moshe of Kletzk #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Looking for a detailed family tree of descendants of Reb Moshe of
Kletzk who was the father of the Rabbi of Novarodok some two
centuries ago.

I am interested in details regarding other children he may have had
besides the above Rav Dovid.

Happy New Year and Chag Sameach

Yoni Ben-Ari
Efrat, Israel


Ancestors #unitedkingdom

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 

My Ancestors were very early arrivals in this country. The first branch said
to have come over with William the Conqueror >from Normandy. During the
expulsion some fled to Ireland and others just changed their religion and
then changed back again. Other branches, the Emanuels, and the Isaacs came
here to escape the Spanish Inquisition. The Emanuels were great sea farers
and quite a large part of the family moved to Portsmouth. The name Emanuel
appears in old naval records. The Simmonds branch have been in this country
too for quite a few centuries.
The last arrival in this country of members of my family, were the Rockmans
and the von Hiblers. >from Russia and >from Austria. They arrived at the
beginining of the 1800's.
My grandmother Abigail Morris, always told me of a massacre that had taken
place during the time of the coronation of Richard 1st, somewhere in St.
Mary Axe and the tale was woven into family legend. We Jews have been around
in this country for far longer than most people know.
My husband says his family originated >from Cornwall. And that they came to
this country far earlier than my ancesters. They used to trade with the
tin miners in the St. Agnes area.
regards
Elisabeth
Essex
U.K.


#UnitedKingdom #unitedkingdom

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ancestors #unitedkingdom

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 

My Ancestors were very early arrivals in this country. The first branch said
to have come over with William the Conqueror >from Normandy. During the
expulsion some fled to Ireland and others just changed their religion and
then changed back again. Other branches, the Emanuels, and the Isaacs came
here to escape the Spanish Inquisition. The Emanuels were great sea farers
and quite a large part of the family moved to Portsmouth. The name Emanuel
appears in old naval records. The Simmonds branch have been in this country
too for quite a few centuries.
The last arrival in this country of members of my family, were the Rockmans
and the von Hiblers. >from Russia and >from Austria. They arrived at the
beginining of the 1800's.
My grandmother Abigail Morris, always told me of a massacre that had taken
place during the time of the coronation of Richard 1st, somewhere in St.
Mary Axe and the tale was woven into family legend. We Jews have been around
in this country for far longer than most people know.
My husband says his family originated >from Cornwall. And that they came to
this country far earlier than my ancesters. They used to trade with the
tin miners in the St. Agnes area.
regards
Elisabeth
Essex
U.K.


JCR-UK SIG #unitedkingdom

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 


Younger siblings marrying in-laws' siblings: Thank You #general

David Edelman <pappapeach@...>
 

Dear Cousin Genners;
I was very surprised (and greatful) for the number of replys I got so
quickly to my questain about marriage of in-laws. I do not have time,
right now, to reply to each one individually, so I will reply to the
group for now, and write the individual people when I get some time.
Thanks you all again,
David Edelman,
San Francisco.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send additional comments privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Younger siblings marrying in-laws' siblings: Thank You #general

David Edelman <pappapeach@...>
 

Dear Cousin Genners;
I was very surprised (and greatful) for the number of replys I got so
quickly to my questain about marriage of in-laws. I do not have time,
right now, to reply to each one individually, so I will reply to the
group for now, and write the individual people when I get some time.
Thanks you all again,
David Edelman,
San Francisco.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send additional comments privately.


Siblings marrying siblings #general

Julius S Cohen 1
 

I have two cousins (sisters) who married brothers. Their ceremonies occurred
sometime during the 1920's. When we talked about it, they said that they knew
of several other examples.

Julius Cohen
Ann,Arbor, Michigan USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Siblings marrying siblings #general

Julius S Cohen 1
 

I have two cousins (sisters) who married brothers. Their ceremonies occurred
sometime during the 1920's. When we talked about it, they said that they knew
of several other examples.

Julius Cohen
Ann,Arbor, Michigan USA


Marrying in-laws #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

There is no Jewish Halachic problem for two sisters/brothers/brother and
sister to marry two other sisters/brothers/brother and sister.

My grandparents did that in the ultra-orthodox community of Jerusalem in the
1920s.

The problem is of one man marrying his late wife's sister.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marrying in-laws #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

There is no Jewish Halachic problem for two sisters/brothers/brother and
sister to marry two other sisters/brothers/brother and sister.

My grandparents did that in the ultra-orthodox community of Jerusalem in the
1920s.

The problem is of one man marrying his late wife's sister.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Seeking Advice #unitedkingdom

ashipley@...
 

I am wondering if anyone has some advice that I might not of thought of.
I have been trying to find out what happened to my grandmother. She
abandoned her husband and young children in London around 1944 and no one
has heard >from her since 1954. Even in 1954 no one knew where she was
living, she just showed up a family event and disappeared again. I have
used her maiden and married name to search the GRO records. Have search
death records for people with the same birth date, searched for divorce
and marriage records all to no avail. I have a feeling that she may have
lived common-law and taken he man's name. If anyone has any bright ideas
I would appreciate hearing them.
Anne
Researching Franks, Shipley, Crabb, Amos

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond off list


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Seeking Advice #unitedkingdom

ashipley@...
 

I am wondering if anyone has some advice that I might not of thought of.
I have been trying to find out what happened to my grandmother. She
abandoned her husband and young children in London around 1944 and no one
has heard >from her since 1954. Even in 1954 no one knew where she was
living, she just showed up a family event and disappeared again. I have
used her maiden and married name to search the GRO records. Have search
death records for people with the same birth date, searched for divorce
and marriage records all to no avail. I have a feeling that she may have
lived common-law and taken he man's name. If anyone has any bright ideas
I would appreciate hearing them.
Anne
Researching Franks, Shipley, Crabb, Amos

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond off list