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Gesher Galicia Regional Meeting-Nov. 20th-NYC #galicia

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Announcement:

Gesher Galicia, the special interest group for Galicia, a province of the
former Austro-Hungarian Empire, will be holding our second annual regional
meeting this November, jointly sponsored by the Jewish Genealogical Society
of New York.

Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005

Time: 2:00PM - 5:00PM

Location: The Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th St., New York, NY
10011

We've planned a full and interesting program for researchers interested in
Eastern European Jewish life, not just Galician. We are providing this
early notice so those of you who don't live in the Greater New York area can
make plans to attend.

PROGRAM:

-A brief update on Gesher Galicia's research projects and town/region
groups, the status of the Lviv Historical Archives, and a tutorial on how to
find genealogical treasures on the Polish online auction site, Allegro.

-Film: The Jews of Poland: Lwow. Shot in 1939 on the streets of Lwow, this
ten-minute documentary is one of the last visual accounts of Jewish life in
the former Lemberg, Galicia, before the Holocaust.

-Jewish Records Indexing Poland Update: Mark Halpern will discuss the status
of the JRI-Poland Galician projects in Polish and Ukrainian archives and
will clarify strategies for ordering records.

-Jewish Life in Galicia – Suzan Wynne will focus on the lives of our
Galician ancestors as they set about making a living, marrying and raising
families, educating their children, and participating in religious life.
She’ll explain the process of surname acquisition, the development of the
Kahal system of Jewish self-government and the participation of Jews in the
mandated system of universal education under Emperor Franz Josef.

-Searching Polish And Galician Directories Using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR)
Logan Joseph Kleinwaks will discuss the Polish and Galician business and
telephone directories that are now available online through the websites of
the Digital Library of Wielkopolska and the U.S. Library of Congress and
will demonstrate how to use the OCR-based online search engine he has
created to search these successfully. For those with an interest in using
OCR, he will briefly review the leading commercial OCR software programs,
demonstrating their use on Galician documents, and will comment on
associated scanning technologies.

POST-SCRIPT - (After regular meeting)

FILM: ““I Remember Jewish Drohobycz”

In this short video portrait of the vanished world of Eastern European
Jewry, JGSLA founding member and rabbinical scholar, David Einsiedler, born
in Drohobycz in 1919, recounts the heart and soul of shtetl life between the
two World Wars. Through personal reminiscences, he leads us through the
streets and into the homes and schools of this Galician town. David
describes moving to Lvov, then to the university in Pisa, Italy and then on
to America in the late 1930s as the threat of war looms over his beloved
home and the lives of his loved ones.

Prior to the meeting's start, the Center Genealogy Institute will be open
from 12:30PM to 2:00PM for networking with other researchers and access to
resource materials and computers.

Additionally, we plan to hold several Birds-of-a-Feather lunch gatherings
from 12:00N - 2:00PM at the Center.
If you are interested in attending a BOF group, please e-mail Eden Joachim
at: esjoachim@...

with your town(s) or region information so we can plan accordingly. As the
date draws closer, we will notify the specific groups as to arrangements.
(You do NOT need to RSVP to the general/JGSNY meeting, however.)

If you have any questions about any other aspects of the program, please
contact me privately.

Looking foward to seeing you there.....

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Gesher Galicia Regional Meeting-Nov. 20th-NYC #galicia

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Announcement:

Gesher Galicia, the special interest group for Galicia, a province of the
former Austro-Hungarian Empire, will be holding our second annual regional
meeting this November, jointly sponsored by the Jewish Genealogical Society
of New York.

Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005

Time: 2:00PM - 5:00PM

Location: The Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th St., New York, NY
10011

We've planned a full and interesting program for researchers interested in
Eastern European Jewish life, not just Galician. We are providing this
early notice so those of you who don't live in the Greater New York area can
make plans to attend.

PROGRAM:

-A brief update on Gesher Galicia's research projects and town/region
groups, the status of the Lviv Historical Archives, and a tutorial on how to
find genealogical treasures on the Polish online auction site, Allegro.

-Film: The Jews of Poland: Lwow. Shot in 1939 on the streets of Lwow, this
ten-minute documentary is one of the last visual accounts of Jewish life in
the former Lemberg, Galicia, before the Holocaust.

-Jewish Records Indexing Poland Update: Mark Halpern will discuss the status
of the JRI-Poland Galician projects in Polish and Ukrainian archives and
will clarify strategies for ordering records.

-Jewish Life in Galicia – Suzan Wynne will focus on the lives of our
Galician ancestors as they set about making a living, marrying and raising
families, educating their children, and participating in religious life.
She’ll explain the process of surname acquisition, the development of the
Kahal system of Jewish self-government and the participation of Jews in the
mandated system of universal education under Emperor Franz Josef.

-Searching Polish And Galician Directories Using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR)
Logan Joseph Kleinwaks will discuss the Polish and Galician business and
telephone directories that are now available online through the websites of
the Digital Library of Wielkopolska and the U.S. Library of Congress and
will demonstrate how to use the OCR-based online search engine he has
created to search these successfully. For those with an interest in using
OCR, he will briefly review the leading commercial OCR software programs,
demonstrating their use on Galician documents, and will comment on
associated scanning technologies.

POST-SCRIPT - (After regular meeting)

FILM: ““I Remember Jewish Drohobycz”

In this short video portrait of the vanished world of Eastern European
Jewry, JGSLA founding member and rabbinical scholar, David Einsiedler, born
in Drohobycz in 1919, recounts the heart and soul of shtetl life between the
two World Wars. Through personal reminiscences, he leads us through the
streets and into the homes and schools of this Galician town. David
describes moving to Lvov, then to the university in Pisa, Italy and then on
to America in the late 1930s as the threat of war looms over his beloved
home and the lives of his loved ones.

Prior to the meeting's start, the Center Genealogy Institute will be open
from 12:30PM to 2:00PM for networking with other researchers and access to
resource materials and computers.

Additionally, we plan to hold several Birds-of-a-Feather lunch gatherings
from 12:00N - 2:00PM at the Center.
If you are interested in attending a BOF group, please e-mail Eden Joachim
at: esjoachim@...

with your town(s) or region information so we can plan accordingly. As the
date draws closer, we will notify the specific groups as to arrangements.
(You do NOT need to RSVP to the general/JGSNY meeting, however.)

If you have any questions about any other aspects of the program, please
contact me privately.

Looking foward to seeing you there.....

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


VM 6884 and 6885 in or near Lvov #galicia

Barbara Olinger
 

I just posted 2 photos on ViewMate at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp.

They are VM 6884 and 6885. They were taken in or around Lvov. Please contact
me privately if you recognize anyone. Thank you.

Barbara Olinger
barbara.olinger@...
researching ROSENBERG and MAGER (Lvov and Szczerzec), OLINGER, KULIE,
and POPPER (Podwoloczyska and Skala), SEMANN (Lvov, Ostrow)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia VM 6884 and 6885 in or near Lvov #galicia

Barbara Olinger
 

I just posted 2 photos on ViewMate at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp.

They are VM 6884 and 6885. They were taken in or around Lvov. Please contact
me privately if you recognize anyone. Thank you.

Barbara Olinger
barbara.olinger@...
researching ROSENBERG and MAGER (Lvov and Szczerzec), OLINGER, KULIE,
and POPPER (Podwoloczyska and Skala), SEMANN (Lvov, Ostrow)


Chauncey WEISMAN - Nova Ushitsa #general

Flo Elman
 

I am looking for a way to contact George Chauncey WEISMAN born around 1913.
He is about 91 years old, & lives somewhere in New York. His parents were
Eva & Chaim WEISMAN born in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine & after emigration, they
lived in Niagara Falls. His grandmother was Chansa WEISMAN nee POGRANICH,
born around 1850. I would venture a guess that his parents Eva & Chaim were
born about 1880. There is no phone listing for him.

If any of his relatives or descendants are reading this, please email me at
haflo@... . Should anyone else know anything about this family, I would
be most grateful to hear >from you. Chansa WEISMAN & my grandmother Faiga
POGRAN were sisters.

Thank you,
Florence Elman
haflo@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chauncey WEISMAN - Nova Ushitsa #general

Flo Elman
 

I am looking for a way to contact George Chauncey WEISMAN born around 1913.
He is about 91 years old, & lives somewhere in New York. His parents were
Eva & Chaim WEISMAN born in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine & after emigration, they
lived in Niagara Falls. His grandmother was Chansa WEISMAN nee POGRANICH,
born around 1850. I would venture a guess that his parents Eva & Chaim were
born about 1880. There is no phone listing for him.

If any of his relatives or descendants are reading this, please email me at
haflo@... . Should anyone else know anything about this family, I would
be most grateful to hear >from you. Chansa WEISMAN & my grandmother Faiga
POGRAN were sisters.

Thank you,
Florence Elman
haflo@...


N. Main Jewish Cemetery / Providence Jewish Cemetery - Scranton, PA - any info? #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

I have a relative who were apparently moved >from the N. Main Jewish
Cemetery in Scranton, PA (now called Providence Cemetery or
Providence Rd. Jewish Cemetery), to the Dalton Cemetery in Dalton, PA.
She was the wife of a Rabbi, and Orthodox Jews who, I am to
understand, will not allow a buried body to be moved (except to
Israel).

The special circumstances surrounding this, is that there was
apparently a road widening project that required bodies to be moved.
This is not substantiated information, but rememberences of a few old
timers in the area.

The death certificates for this person clearly indicates an original
burial in the N. Main Jewish Cemetery / Providence Jewish Cemetery ,
and yet the grave was found in the Dalton. I have certified the
acuracy of this.

I am wondering if anyone has any information regarding this road
widening project, or any Idea as to the approximate date of it. Any
other information as to how the body may have been moved would be
appreciated.

Additionally, I am open to suggestions as to what agency might have
the records of this project, and possibly the names of those moved. If
I can get an approximate date, I might be able to dig through the
newspaper films >from that period for more information.

The state of PA will not provide any info on reinternments under law.

I am trying to solve a mystery here and all clues are appreciated.

Also, would I be able to get any information via the Freedom of
Information act?


Missing Castle garden manifest, maybe not? #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

My first cousin twice removed Gerson (George) Millner, and his family, wife
Reive, son Israel, and daughter Lea, arrived Castle Garden New York on June
7, 1887. I found the exact record on the free Castle Garden site, this site
does yet provide manifests. When I went to a popular premium Castle Garden
site that does show the original manifests, I could not locate the manifest
for "America" for June 7, 1887. I was able to find the "America" manifest
for June 10, 1887 as the ship docked in Barbados. I assumed the ship had
left New York and sailed for Barbados. How would I go about obtaining a copy
of the Castle Garden manifest.
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
MILLNER, MALTZMAN, RUDMAN, CHALIK, KRUTANSKY, KAPLAN


PRWR #general

Barbara Siegel
 

Dear Barbara,
Thanks much for the follow-up. There has been quite a lot of discussion on
this topic, but it sems that we are still in the dark. Please let me know
if you do get a definitive (or even a "reasonable") answer >from the census
folks. I seem to be the most recent person who has been looking for an
answer, and I appreciate all the work that has been put into the query by
so many of the genners.

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@...
Jerusalem/Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen N. Main Jewish Cemetery / Providence Jewish Cemetery - Scranton, PA - any info? #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

I have a relative who were apparently moved >from the N. Main Jewish
Cemetery in Scranton, PA (now called Providence Cemetery or
Providence Rd. Jewish Cemetery), to the Dalton Cemetery in Dalton, PA.
She was the wife of a Rabbi, and Orthodox Jews who, I am to
understand, will not allow a buried body to be moved (except to
Israel).

The special circumstances surrounding this, is that there was
apparently a road widening project that required bodies to be moved.
This is not substantiated information, but rememberences of a few old
timers in the area.

The death certificates for this person clearly indicates an original
burial in the N. Main Jewish Cemetery / Providence Jewish Cemetery ,
and yet the grave was found in the Dalton. I have certified the
acuracy of this.

I am wondering if anyone has any information regarding this road
widening project, or any Idea as to the approximate date of it. Any
other information as to how the body may have been moved would be
appreciated.

Additionally, I am open to suggestions as to what agency might have
the records of this project, and possibly the names of those moved. If
I can get an approximate date, I might be able to dig through the
newspaper films >from that period for more information.

The state of PA will not provide any info on reinternments under law.

I am trying to solve a mystery here and all clues are appreciated.

Also, would I be able to get any information via the Freedom of
Information act?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Missing Castle garden manifest, maybe not? #general

robert roudman <rcroudman@...>
 

My first cousin twice removed Gerson (George) Millner, and his family, wife
Reive, son Israel, and daughter Lea, arrived Castle Garden New York on June
7, 1887. I found the exact record on the free Castle Garden site, this site
does yet provide manifests. When I went to a popular premium Castle Garden
site that does show the original manifests, I could not locate the manifest
for "America" for June 7, 1887. I was able to find the "America" manifest
for June 10, 1887 as the ship docked in Barbados. I assumed the ship had
left New York and sailed for Barbados. How would I go about obtaining a copy
of the Castle Garden manifest.
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
MILLNER, MALTZMAN, RUDMAN, CHALIK, KRUTANSKY, KAPLAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PRWR #general

Barbara Siegel
 

Dear Barbara,
Thanks much for the follow-up. There has been quite a lot of discussion on
this topic, but it sems that we are still in the dark. Please let me know
if you do get a definitive (or even a "reasonable") answer >from the census
folks. I seem to be the most recent person who has been looking for an
answer, and I appreciate all the work that has been put into the query by
so many of the genners.

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@...
Jerusalem/Chicago


Re: Viewmate file VM6902, Russian city? #general

Paul Silverstone
 

It would be more helpful for us out here to figure out the writing if
more examples were given. The submitter should not leave out some
surrounding writing by the same person as one could then compare and
eliminate or otherwise figure out individual letters.
Paul Silverstone

Dear Genners,
I posted a jpg to the Viewmate site, the direct url is...

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6902

It is a close-up of two columns >from a Hamburg departure.
The two words are in columns marked "Previous Residence" and "State or
Province".
I think the second column, "State or Province" means Russia.
Can anyone venture a guess what the city or "Previous Residence" could be?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Viewmate file VM6902, Russian city? #general

Paul Silverstone
 

It would be more helpful for us out here to figure out the writing if
more examples were given. The submitter should not leave out some
surrounding writing by the same person as one could then compare and
eliminate or otherwise figure out individual letters.
Paul Silverstone

Dear Genners,
I posted a jpg to the Viewmate site, the direct url is...

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6902

It is a close-up of two columns >from a Hamburg departure.
The two words are in columns marked "Previous Residence" and "State or
Province".
I think the second column, "State or Province" means Russia.
Can anyone venture a guess what the city or "Previous Residence" could be?


Re: Appropriate Dress (boys dressed like girls) #general

NFatouros@...
 

On September 30, 05 C. Flack wrote:

<<I have a picture of my grandmother and "uncle" which I believe was taken
in Odessa ,Russia in the late 1880's (or possibly in New York City in 1893)
with the "uncle" appearing to be about 2-3 years old.
He is plainly wearing a dress (skirt) and appears to have long hair
combed over "his" ears. I am wondering if this was the accepted dress
for a male infant in this time period or if family information may have
mixed up whose actual picture it was (impossible to distinguish male
from female >from face). My grandmother also gave birth to a girl upon
arriving in New York in the early 1890's who died at about 11/2-2 years
old.The picture or "lithograph" has no information of time or place
taken.>>

In several of Sally Bruckheimer's many messages to Jewishgen, she mentioned
that in 1881 her great grandparents had dressed their five little boys as
girls. At least one of her father's brothers was born in Odessa._ This was done
in order to sneak the family across the border and also to avoid conscription,
since some of the boys were of draft age or soon to be.

I wrote to Sally privately to tell her that while the reasons she was told
may have been the true ones, that it was not unusual in Europe, England, and
the US to dress little boys as girls. Sometime boys were clad in girls' attire
until they were as old as twelve!

I do not think this fashion was commonplace among Eastern European shtetl
Jews, or even among the rest of the Russian populace, although perhaps the
aristocracy dressed their small boys as girls. But I daresay that many Odessa
Jews followed this dressing tradition, since many Odessans, including Jews, were
more "cosmopolitan" and more influenced by Western fashion and ideas than were
many Russians elsewhere.

I recommended that Sally read Philip Aries "Centuries of Childhood," and I
also quoted a passage >from Amoz Oz's "A Tale of Love and Life" in which he
described the attire of his father who throughout his Odessa childhood
unprotestingly wore dresses and pink bows in his hair.

For online information about all this, type in "boys dressing as girls" in
the google search engine and see:

http://histclo.hispeed.com/style/skirted/dress/dress-era.html

and

http://tinyurl.com/7w9m8

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Appropriate Dress (boys dressed like girls) #general

NFatouros@...
 

On September 30, 05 C. Flack wrote:

<<I have a picture of my grandmother and "uncle" which I believe was taken
in Odessa ,Russia in the late 1880's (or possibly in New York City in 1893)
with the "uncle" appearing to be about 2-3 years old.
He is plainly wearing a dress (skirt) and appears to have long hair
combed over "his" ears. I am wondering if this was the accepted dress
for a male infant in this time period or if family information may have
mixed up whose actual picture it was (impossible to distinguish male
from female >from face). My grandmother also gave birth to a girl upon
arriving in New York in the early 1890's who died at about 11/2-2 years
old.The picture or "lithograph" has no information of time or place
taken.>>

In several of Sally Bruckheimer's many messages to Jewishgen, she mentioned
that in 1881 her great grandparents had dressed their five little boys as
girls. At least one of her father's brothers was born in Odessa._ This was done
in order to sneak the family across the border and also to avoid conscription,
since some of the boys were of draft age or soon to be.

I wrote to Sally privately to tell her that while the reasons she was told
may have been the true ones, that it was not unusual in Europe, England, and
the US to dress little boys as girls. Sometime boys were clad in girls' attire
until they were as old as twelve!

I do not think this fashion was commonplace among Eastern European shtetl
Jews, or even among the rest of the Russian populace, although perhaps the
aristocracy dressed their small boys as girls. But I daresay that many Odessa
Jews followed this dressing tradition, since many Odessans, including Jews, were
more "cosmopolitan" and more influenced by Western fashion and ideas than were
many Russians elsewhere.

I recommended that Sally read Philip Aries "Centuries of Childhood," and I
also quoted a passage >from Amoz Oz's "A Tale of Love and Life" in which he
described the attire of his father who throughout his Odessa childhood
unprotestingly wore dresses and pink bows in his hair.

For online information about all this, type in "boys dressing as girls" in
the google search engine and see:

http://histclo.hispeed.com/style/skirted/dress/dress-era.html

and

http://tinyurl.com/7w9m8

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


WEISMAN - Nova Ushitsa #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

I am looking for a way to contact George Chauncey WEISMAN born around 1913.
He is about 91 years old, & lives somewhere in New York. His parents were
Eva & Chaim WEISMAN born in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine & after emigration, they
lived in Niagara Falls. His grandmother was Chansa WEISMAN nee POGRANICH,
born around 1850. I would venture a guess that his parents Eva & Chaim were
born about 1880. There is no phone listing for him.

If any of his relatives or descendants are reading this, please email me at
haflo@... . Should anyone else know anything about this family, I would
be most grateful to hear >from you. Chansa WEISMAN & my grandmother Faiga
POGRAN were sisters. Other siblings (descendants of Shmiel & Yenta Pogranichny)were
Shtern POGRANICH STIRBERG (1852-1937) in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
Sanya POGRAN b: 1856 in Nova Ushitsa d: Abt. January 29, 1932 in Brooklyn, NY Burial: New York
Mirrel POGRAN SASLAVSKY b: Abt. 1869 in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
d: Abt. 1904 in Cordoba, Argentina
Velvel POGRANICH (1875-1913) in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
Molya POGRANICH b: Aft. 1876 in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
d: Aft. 1952 in Buenos Aires, Argentina
David POGRANICH Abt. 1888-1942 in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine

Thank you,
Florence Elman
haflo@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine WEISMAN - Nova Ushitsa #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

I am looking for a way to contact George Chauncey WEISMAN born around 1913.
He is about 91 years old, & lives somewhere in New York. His parents were
Eva & Chaim WEISMAN born in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine & after emigration, they
lived in Niagara Falls. His grandmother was Chansa WEISMAN nee POGRANICH,
born around 1850. I would venture a guess that his parents Eva & Chaim were
born about 1880. There is no phone listing for him.

If any of his relatives or descendants are reading this, please email me at
haflo@... . Should anyone else know anything about this family, I would
be most grateful to hear >from you. Chansa WEISMAN & my grandmother Faiga
POGRAN were sisters. Other siblings (descendants of Shmiel & Yenta Pogranichny)were
Shtern POGRANICH STIRBERG (1852-1937) in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
Sanya POGRAN b: 1856 in Nova Ushitsa d: Abt. January 29, 1932 in Brooklyn, NY Burial: New York
Mirrel POGRAN SASLAVSKY b: Abt. 1869 in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
d: Abt. 1904 in Cordoba, Argentina
Velvel POGRANICH (1875-1913) in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
Molya POGRANICH b: Aft. 1876 in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine
d: Aft. 1952 in Buenos Aires, Argentina
David POGRANICH Abt. 1888-1942 in Nova Ushitsa, Ukraine

Thank you,
Florence Elman
haflo@...


LANDA family and R' Chaim of Volozhin #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

I fielded this question several times but I'll try again:

I am researching a possible connection to R' Chaim of Volozhin. The
clues I have are as follows:

According to a scribbled note, not very reliable, written by a
family member my gggrandmother, Sarah Hinde (nee SCHATZ daughter of
Yosef - the name SCHATZ may only be his profession and not his actual
family name) KANTOR, was a descendant of R' Chaim through a LANDA
grandchild. According to the book "Etz Chaim" by M. Zinovitz (1972)
R' Yitzaleh, the son of R' Chaim had a daughter Raichel, who married
R' Shmuel LANDA. This couple died at a young age leaving a daughter,
who married Chaim Hillel FRIED, father of, among others, the well
known BEN-SASSON family and another son. Our problem with this is
that another daughter is not mentioned and we know of no connection
to the FRIED/BEN-SASSON family (who we know well). Of course it's
possible that the LANDA couple had other children not mentioned in
the book.

Two other clues are: According to a family rumour, R' Mordechai
Gimple YAFFE, who was a student in Volozhin and possibly a distant
relative of the Volozhin family, and Rabbi of Yehud in Israel, told
my gguncle that he (my uncle) was a descendant of R' Chaim. It is
noted in another family source that this ancestry was brought up in
the house of R' Mordechai of Ruzanoi (R'Mordechai YAFFE ?) We also
have a family tradition that R' Yitzaleh was the "shushvin"
(accompying the bride down the aisle) at my gggrandmother's wedding
(due to the premature death of her parents?).

All the above seem to strengthen the theory of our connection with
R' Chaim of Volozhin but I would be happy to hear >from other sources
who could corraborate this theory. The reason that I mentioned
above regarding the reliability of the original note was that it
mentioned also a possible connection with the Gaon of Vilna and
after some research it seems that this link was put to rest.

Thank you for any suggestions on other books which you know contain
details on the Volozhin family or personal knowledge of the family.

Shavua tov and Shana tova to one and all.
Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic LANDA family and R' Chaim of Volozhin #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

I fielded this question several times but I'll try again:

I am researching a possible connection to R' Chaim of Volozhin. The
clues I have are as follows:

According to a scribbled note, not very reliable, written by a
family member my gggrandmother, Sarah Hinde (nee SCHATZ daughter of
Yosef - the name SCHATZ may only be his profession and not his actual
family name) KANTOR, was a descendant of R' Chaim through a LANDA
grandchild. According to the book "Etz Chaim" by M. Zinovitz (1972)
R' Yitzaleh, the son of R' Chaim had a daughter Raichel, who married
R' Shmuel LANDA. This couple died at a young age leaving a daughter,
who married Chaim Hillel FRIED, father of, among others, the well
known BEN-SASSON family and another son. Our problem with this is
that another daughter is not mentioned and we know of no connection
to the FRIED/BEN-SASSON family (who we know well). Of course it's
possible that the LANDA couple had other children not mentioned in
the book.

Two other clues are: According to a family rumour, R' Mordechai
Gimple YAFFE, who was a student in Volozhin and possibly a distant
relative of the Volozhin family, and Rabbi of Yehud in Israel, told
my gguncle that he (my uncle) was a descendant of R' Chaim. It is
noted in another family source that this ancestry was brought up in
the house of R' Mordechai of Ruzanoi (R'Mordechai YAFFE ?) We also
have a family tradition that R' Yitzaleh was the "shushvin"
(accompying the bride down the aisle) at my gggrandmother's wedding
(due to the premature death of her parents?).

All the above seem to strengthen the theory of our connection with
R' Chaim of Volozhin but I would be happy to hear >from other sources
who could corraborate this theory. The reason that I mentioned
above regarding the reliability of the original note was that it
mentioned also a possible connection with the Gaon of Vilna and
after some research it seems that this link was put to rest.

Thank you for any suggestions on other books which you know contain
details on the Volozhin family or personal knowledge of the family.

Shavua tov and Shana tova to one and all.
Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel