trying to find information about my father's mother's family. Last
name was Fandler or Fendler. They were >from Grymalow (near Tarnapol).
Can someone help get me started?

Thank you.

Jeffrey Hoffman
Dallas, Texas

trying to find information about my father's mother's family. Last
name was Fandler or Fendler. They were >from Grymalow (near Tarnapol).
Can someone help get me started?

Thank you.

Jeffrey Hoffman
Dallas, Texas

Hi,

Thanks to those of you who responded to my question about the
possibility of mother and daughter having the same second name. People
seemed to agree that it was possible. The suggested explanation is that
the two names a person had were considered together as one name. So that
my Pese Leah and her daughter Rokhel Leah had different names, although
one part of the name was common to both.

There was a suggestion that maybe each was called Leah after a different
relative.

There is of course the possibility that the mother died at childbirth,
and the daughter was named after her, but I don't think this is the case
in this family.

Thanks again.

Tamar Dothan
Jerusalem

My great grand father was Rabbi Yitzak Rissak >from Riga (or Odessa) I am
unable to find any information on him anywhere. I do have a picture of him
taken more than 100 years ago.I would appreciate anything on him.

Gene Rosenblum
gener01@msn.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Hi,

Thanks to those of you who responded to my question about the
possibility of mother and daughter having the same second name. People
seemed to agree that it was possible. The suggested explanation is that
the two names a person had were considered together as one name. So that
my Pese Leah and her daughter Rokhel Leah had different names, although
one part of the name was common to both.

There was a suggestion that maybe each was called Leah after a different
relative.

There is of course the possibility that the mother died at childbirth,
and the daughter was named after her, but I don't think this is the case
in this family.

Thanks again.

Tamar Dothan
Jerusalem

My great grand father was Rabbi Yitzak Rissak >from Riga (or Odessa) I am
unable to find any information on him anywhere. I do have a picture of him
taken more than 100 years ago.I would appreciate anything on him.

Gene Rosenblum
gener01@msn.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Tamar Dothan wrote in the November 15 Digest:

"In the Keidan birth records of my family there are a mother and a daughter
who both have the second name Lea. I did not think this was possible. Does
anyone have that experience? Or could it be a mistake?"

In proofing the 1874 Keidan births, I have just come across a parallel
situation: the daughter's name is Sora Hana; the mother's is Hane. The
daughter's name ends with an aleph (pronounced "a"); the mother's with an
ayen (pronounced "e"). Although I have frequently seen both versions of
this name, they are essentially the same.

When I noticed the two names on the record, I had wondered whether the
mother had possibly died in childbirth and the child was named for her,
but at this point that's speculation. Only the death records may solve
this theory.

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan VRI coordinator

Where the father dies before a son is born, it was and still is common that
the son is named after the father. I have an example of such an incidence in
my family tree. I assume, as a corallary, that if the mother dies during or
shortly after the childbirth of a daughter, that the daughter is named after
her.

Louis Zetler
Hoshaya, Israel

Tamar Dothan wrote in the November 15 Digest:

"In the Keidan birth records of my family there are a mother and a daughter
who both have the second name Lea. I did not think this was possible. Does
anyone have that experience? Or could it be a mistake?"

In proofing the 1874 Keidan births, I have just come across a parallel
situation: the daughter's name is Sora Hana; the mother's is Hane. The
daughter's name ends with an aleph (pronounced "a"); the mother's with an
ayen (pronounced "e"). Although I have frequently seen both versions of
this name, they are essentially the same.

When I noticed the two names on the record, I had wondered whether the
mother had possibly died in childbirth and the child was named for her,
but at this point that's speculation. Only the death records may solve
this theory.

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan VRI coordinator

Where the father dies before a son is born, it was and still is common that
the son is named after the father. I have an example of such an incidence in
my family tree. I assume, as a corallary, that if the mother dies during or
shortly after the childbirth of a daughter, that the daughter is named after
her.

Louis Zetler
Hoshaya, Israel

Dear Fellow Litvaks -

While not exactly a genealogical topic, it is helpful to know
the patterns our ancestors followed in giving names.

A father and son bearing the same name is an indication that the
son was born after his father had died. In the mi-sheberakh recited at
the brit in old texts, a few words in brackets appear that are to be
added to indicate that one of the parents is deceased. This is almost
'unheard of' today, but unfortunately was something our grandparents'
generation in Europe had to contend with. Thus, as a child I remember in
our synagogue an elderly man who was called to the Torah as Yekutiel ben
Yekutiel.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


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At 14:57 17-11-2005, Bronstein Family wrote:

...
A father and son bearing the same name is an indication that the son was
born after his father had died. ...snip...

Thank you for the clarification.
However, I am aware of the naming tradition, so I should have added that
I found father and son with the same name - or apparently the same name -
although the father was not yet dead!

I have, of course, ample examples of sons being named after ther dead
fathers...

Best regards

--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--

Dear Fellow Litvaks -

While not exactly a genealogical topic, it is helpful to know
the patterns our ancestors followed in giving names.

A father and son bearing the same name is an indication that the
son was born after his father had died. In the mi-sheberakh recited at
the brit in old texts, a few words in brackets appear that are to be
added to indicate that one of the parents is deceased. This is almost
'unheard of' today, but unfortunately was something our grandparents'
generation in Europe had to contend with. Thus, as a child I remember in
our synagogue an elderly man who was called to the Torah as Yekutiel ben
Yekutiel.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

At 14:57 17-11-2005, Bronstein Family wrote:

...
A father and son bearing the same name is an indication that the son was
born after his father had died. ...snip...

Thank you for the clarification.
However, I am aware of the naming tradition, so I should have added that
I found father and son with the same name - or apparently the same name -
although the father was not yet dead!

I have, of course, ample examples of sons being named after ther dead
fathers...

Best regards

--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--

There has been a lot of correspondence recently about what to do with
photos.

If you still live in the city in which your parents or grandparents grew up,
one thing that you can do is go and take photos of the houses where they
grew up, or if they have been knocked down take a photo of a similar house
in the same street.

I have been doing this recently.

Yesterday I went to a town just outside London where my mother lived until
the age of 2. I didn't have the precise number of Hight Street, but I knew
that the site had later become a Marks and Spencers store. I asked a woman
of my age, and she said that it was one of two stores.

One of the likely stores was closing and I asked the manager if M & S had
been there, and he confirmed it had.

The building would clearly have replaced my grandfather's furniture shop.

I took a photo of the current store, as well as one of the cafe in a
Victorian building a couple of doors away, which would have presumably been
of the same vintage of the family shop.

In fact, I later spoke to my father and he tells me that we have a photo of
the shopfront - so it will be interesting to compare the photos.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

I also have had that experience although it is not on the Litvak side
of my family. The Tugendhafts who originally came >from Galicia named
their family over many generations using the same name. I have 4
generations of Moses David Tugendhaft when I know >from records that
more than one was living. They also used Dienna or Dina, Emanuel,
Benjamin repeatedly. I have the family back to the mid 1700's but
thought that perhaps they originally came >from spain. I have found
no evidence for it other than this name situation.

Irene Jalowayski, Jewish Geneology Society of Palm Beach.

There has been a lot of correspondence recently about what to do with
photos.

If you still live in the city in which your parents or grandparents grew up,
one thing that you can do is go and take photos of the houses where they
grew up, or if they have been knocked down take a photo of a similar house
in the same street.

I have been doing this recently.

Yesterday I went to a town just outside London where my mother lived until
the age of 2. I didn't have the precise number of Hight Street, but I knew
that the site had later become a Marks and Spencers store. I asked a woman
of my age, and she said that it was one of two stores.

One of the likely stores was closing and I asked the manager if M & S had
been there, and he confirmed it had.

The building would clearly have replaced my grandfather's furniture shop.

I took a photo of the current store, as well as one of the cafe in a
Victorian building a couple of doors away, which would have presumably been
of the same vintage of the family shop.

In fact, I later spoke to my father and he tells me that we have a photo of
the shopfront - so it will be interesting to compare the photos.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

I also have had that experience although it is not on the Litvak side
of my family. The Tugendhafts who originally came >from Galicia named
their family over many generations using the same name. I have 4
generations of Moses David Tugendhaft when I know >from records that
more than one was living. They also used Dienna or Dina, Emanuel,
Benjamin repeatedly. I have the family back to the mid 1700's but
thought that perhaps they originally came >from spain. I have found
no evidence for it other than this name situation.

Irene Jalowayski, Jewish Geneology Society of Palm Beach.

Hello. I want to thank all the translators of my great grandfather's
headstone.This is my first time posting on the discussion group and I
am overwhelmed at the response. What a wonderful site! I have learned
that my GGF's father was Boruch. This leads me to a whole new area of
research thanks to all of you.

Ava Cohn
Long Grove, IL

Searching COHN (Bucharesti, Botosani, Romania) HAMMER (Chernivtsi, Bukavina)
HANDELMAN(Spivak, Ukraine) GOLDMAN (Spivak, Ukraine) SHENKMAN (Volyntsy,
Vitebsk gubernia, Riga, Kiev)

After the new Italiangen NYC Brides Index was made searchable by Steve
Morse, their website was completely overwhelmed with people trying to search
with certificate numbers >from their NYC Grooms Index or other minimal
information. For that reason, it blocked all searching through his site.
It is again possible to use www.stevemorse.org to search www.italiangen.org,
but there are more limitations on searching, in order to try to prevent
future breakdown of their site. For example, at least 3 letters of the name
are required.

Sharon Korn
San Diego, CA