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RUBIN from Rohatyn? #galicia

E. B. M. Amidan <amidan1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Recently I've found a 1881 birth record of Abraham Meilech RUBIN >from the
town Rohatyn. I searched for the town Rohatyn, and the closest I could get
was Rogatin - somewhere between Lviv and Ivano-Frankisk in nowdays Ukraine.
I'd be grateful if you could comment on the following questions:

1. Are 19th century Rohatyn and modern Rogatin the same town?

2. In the "Town" column following the father's name (Luzer RUBIN) was
written "Glogow". Does it mean that the father was born in Glogow?

3. I assume there are some 200 miles between Glogow and Rogatin (if it's
actually Rohatyn). Was it common for Jews in the 19th century to relocate to
distant towns?

Thank you very much,

Elisha Amidan

Yokneam Village, Israel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RUBIN from Rohatyn? #galicia

E. B. M. Amidan <amidan1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Recently I've found a 1881 birth record of Abraham Meilech RUBIN >from the
town Rohatyn. I searched for the town Rohatyn, and the closest I could get
was Rogatin - somewhere between Lviv and Ivano-Frankisk in nowdays Ukraine.
I'd be grateful if you could comment on the following questions:

1. Are 19th century Rohatyn and modern Rogatin the same town?

2. In the "Town" column following the father's name (Luzer RUBIN) was
written "Glogow". Does it mean that the father was born in Glogow?

3. I assume there are some 200 miles between Glogow and Rogatin (if it's
actually Rohatyn). Was it common for Jews in the 19th century to relocate to
distant towns?

Thank you very much,

Elisha Amidan

Yokneam Village, Israel


Fw: Marrying one's deceased wfe's sister #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

Interestingly this was dealt with in today's Torah reading (Ki Tetze) in
Deutoronomy 25.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

JCR-UK Digest for Friday, September 16, 2005.

1. Marrying one's deceased wfe's sister

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Subject: Marrying one's deceased wfe's sister
From: "Nick Landau" <N.Landau@...>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:48:34 +0100
X-Message-Number: 1

See http://www.askmoses.com/qa_detail.html?h=167&o=177 re Chalitzah.

It is the shoe-removal ceremony relieving a brother-in-law of his
obligation
to marry his widowed sister-in-law. According to this it is a rarity.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Fw: Marrying one's deceased wfe's sister #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

Interestingly this was dealt with in today's Torah reading (Ki Tetze) in
Deutoronomy 25.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

JCR-UK Digest for Friday, September 16, 2005.

1. Marrying one's deceased wfe's sister

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Subject: Marrying one's deceased wfe's sister
From: "Nick Landau" <N.Landau@...>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:48:34 +0100
X-Message-Number: 1

See http://www.askmoses.com/qa_detail.html?h=167&o=177 re Chalitzah.

It is the shoe-removal ceremony relieving a brother-in-law of his
obligation
to marry his widowed sister-in-law. According to this it is a rarity.


Zemplen yizkor book #hungary

Joyce Field
 

The Zemplen Yizkor Book can also be purchased in a digitally produced
copy >from the National Yiddish Book Center.

JewishGen's Yizkor Book Project (see
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html) would appreciate
having this book translated and put online on our site. The English
text can be scanned and submitted to the project, also. To do all
this, a project coordinator is needed.

Please contact me privately.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition
jfield@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Zemplen yizkor book #hungary

Joyce Field
 

The Zemplen Yizkor Book can also be purchased in a digitally produced
copy >from the National Yiddish Book Center.

JewishGen's Yizkor Book Project (see
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html) would appreciate
having this book translated and put online on our site. The English
text can be scanned and submitted to the project, also. To do all
this, a project coordinator is needed.

Please contact me privately.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition
jfield@...


Given names caveat #hungary

alex p miller <alex.miller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

Do you have a document that shows your ancestor's name being Jozsef,
Natan or Emmanuel? You may be chasing after the wrong name!

I had just reviewed 2000 tombstones in Hungary and some had both the
Hebrew names and the Hungarian or 'street' names. The following names
were adaptation >from Hebrew names to acceptable Hungarian --Hungbrew?--,
while the Hebrew names were different and totally unrelated, such as
Menahem, Yehiel, Simon or Zvi.

'Hungbrew' names:
Jozsef
Natan
Emmanuel
Mihaly(Mikhael)
Simon
Samuel
Jakab


In addition, there were three instances where the Hebew names of the
father and the son were the same-- an abberation to custom-- to my
knowledge!

Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Given names caveat #hungary

alex p miller <alex.miller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

Do you have a document that shows your ancestor's name being Jozsef,
Natan or Emmanuel? You may be chasing after the wrong name!

I had just reviewed 2000 tombstones in Hungary and some had both the
Hebrew names and the Hungarian or 'street' names. The following names
were adaptation >from Hebrew names to acceptable Hungarian --Hungbrew?--,
while the Hebrew names were different and totally unrelated, such as
Menahem, Yehiel, Simon or Zvi.

'Hungbrew' names:
Jozsef
Natan
Emmanuel
Mihaly(Mikhael)
Simon
Samuel
Jakab


In addition, there were three instances where the Hebew names of the
father and the son were the same-- an abberation to custom-- to my
knowledge!

Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com


Book by Czestochowa Survivor from Kalisz, Poland #general

Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
 

I am writing this as a one-time message to bring to the attention of Kalisz
and Czestochowa researchers a gripping and beautifully written Holocaust
memoir by the former Jadwiga (Jadzia) Lipszyc, of Kalisz, Poland, who is now
Jean Klein Frank of La Jolla, CA. The book, which is chapbook size and
contains 76 pages, describes Jean's survival as a slave laborer in the
Czestochowa Ghetto. It begins in Kalisz, so there are also some lovely
descriptions of that town and life there.

The book, titled Not Now, Not Ever, by Jean Klein, is available for sale for
$15, including shipping and handling. Jean runs a poetry group for the La
Jolla Library, so the Library people have kindly taken charge of the sale
and distribution of the book. Write to:

Florence Riford La Jolla Public Library
7555 Draper Avenue
La Jolla, CA 92037

The phone number for the library is (858) 552-1657.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld
Carlsbad, CA
USA

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a one time sales mention of a genealogy related book.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Book by Czestochowa Survivor from Kalisz, Poland #general

Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
 

I am writing this as a one-time message to bring to the attention of Kalisz
and Czestochowa researchers a gripping and beautifully written Holocaust
memoir by the former Jadwiga (Jadzia) Lipszyc, of Kalisz, Poland, who is now
Jean Klein Frank of La Jolla, CA. The book, which is chapbook size and
contains 76 pages, describes Jean's survival as a slave laborer in the
Czestochowa Ghetto. It begins in Kalisz, so there are also some lovely
descriptions of that town and life there.

The book, titled Not Now, Not Ever, by Jean Klein, is available for sale for
$15, including shipping and handling. Jean runs a poetry group for the La
Jolla Library, so the Library people have kindly taken charge of the sale
and distribution of the book. Write to:

Florence Riford La Jolla Public Library
7555 Draper Avenue
La Jolla, CA 92037

The phone number for the library is (858) 552-1657.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld
Carlsbad, CA
USA

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a one time sales mention of a genealogy related book.


Re: Inherited family names Re: Ludwig PFANTZLER, Born 1714 #germany

Ralph Bloch <rablo07@...>
 

Pat Weinthal raises some questions in regard to the name adoptions in
Germany of the early 19th century. I guess, we have still much to learn.
Presumably, no standard pattern of name adoption existed. [snip]

MODERATOR NOTE: There was "no standard pattern of name adoption" in "Germany"
in the early 19th century because the various kingdoms, dutchies, city states
and other political entities were not unified until the last quarter of that
century. I have asked for citations of authoritative sources on name adoption
by Jews in various places. Back issues of "Stammbaum" contain some
articles. Our archives contain some information also.

Ralph Bloch (rablo07@...) Dundas, Canada


German SIG #Germany Re: Inherited family names Re: Ludwig PFANTZLER, Born 1714 #germany

Ralph Bloch <rablo07@...>
 

Pat Weinthal raises some questions in regard to the name adoptions in
Germany of the early 19th century. I guess, we have still much to learn.
Presumably, no standard pattern of name adoption existed. [snip]

MODERATOR NOTE: There was "no standard pattern of name adoption" in "Germany"
in the early 19th century because the various kingdoms, dutchies, city states
and other political entities were not unified until the last quarter of that
century. I have asked for citations of authoritative sources on name adoption
by Jews in various places. Back issues of "Stammbaum" contain some
articles. Our archives contain some information also.

Ralph Bloch (rablo07@...) Dundas, Canada


Re: MICHAELIS Hallenstein > Australia #germany

Hazel Dakers
 

Quoted with the permission of Rabbi Philip Heibrunn, below.

"Moritz MICHAELIS was born in Lugde near Pyrmont in 1820, the youngest in his
family. He had an elder brother Michael.
In 1925 his sister married Rubin Hallenstein.
The MICHAELIS-Hallenstein dynasty were a founding family of our Synagogue.
There are Hallensteins still connected with my congregation

Moritz's brother Michael went to Manchester.
There was another brother, Isaac. After the death of their father, Moritz went
to Manchester to his brother Michael.

Moritz came to Australia ostensibly because the climate in Manchester didn't
agree with him. His brother's firm sent him to Melbourne to open (run?) a
branch of his business there.
Moritz met Rahel Gotthelf, daughter of his sister Behla's husband (a
widower) who lived in Burgdorf, Germany. Later they married in Manchester on
14th April, 1853.

Moritz arrived in Melbourne aboard the ship Falcon in 1853.

Although I'm not aware of all his children, a son, Frederick David MICHAELIS
succeeded his father on the St Kilda Synagogue board.
Another son was Edward MICHAELIS.
There was also a Sir Archie MICHAELIS (unsure which generation) who became
speaker of the state of Victoria Parliament.

Moritz is the founding President of the St Kilda Synagogue of which I have
been the Rabbi for the past 18 years.

There are still members of the family here in Melbourne although most not of
the same surname any longer.

There was also a MICHAELIS family in South Africa. I believe they are related to
the Melbourne MICHAELISes. Some have recently migrated to Australia.

There is another MICHAELIS family I know of. A Gerd? Gert? Gerhard MICHAELIS
worked with my father in the 1930s in my father's uncle's family business in
the small Western Transvaal town of Sannieshof where I grew up.

I hope this helps. Kind regards, Rabbi Philip Heilbrunn heilbrunn@...

PS You are welcome to share theis email with other Gersiggers as I don't
seem to be able to do emails in plain text" [reply to heilbrunn@...]


German SIG #Germany Re: MICHAELIS Hallenstein > Australia #germany

Hazel Dakers
 

Quoted with the permission of Rabbi Philip Heibrunn, below.

"Moritz MICHAELIS was born in Lugde near Pyrmont in 1820, the youngest in his
family. He had an elder brother Michael.
In 1925 his sister married Rubin Hallenstein.
The MICHAELIS-Hallenstein dynasty were a founding family of our Synagogue.
There are Hallensteins still connected with my congregation

Moritz's brother Michael went to Manchester.
There was another brother, Isaac. After the death of their father, Moritz went
to Manchester to his brother Michael.

Moritz came to Australia ostensibly because the climate in Manchester didn't
agree with him. His brother's firm sent him to Melbourne to open (run?) a
branch of his business there.
Moritz met Rahel Gotthelf, daughter of his sister Behla's husband (a
widower) who lived in Burgdorf, Germany. Later they married in Manchester on
14th April, 1853.

Moritz arrived in Melbourne aboard the ship Falcon in 1853.

Although I'm not aware of all his children, a son, Frederick David MICHAELIS
succeeded his father on the St Kilda Synagogue board.
Another son was Edward MICHAELIS.
There was also a Sir Archie MICHAELIS (unsure which generation) who became
speaker of the state of Victoria Parliament.

Moritz is the founding President of the St Kilda Synagogue of which I have
been the Rabbi for the past 18 years.

There are still members of the family here in Melbourne although most not of
the same surname any longer.

There was also a MICHAELIS family in South Africa. I believe they are related to
the Melbourne MICHAELISes. Some have recently migrated to Australia.

There is another MICHAELIS family I know of. A Gerd? Gert? Gerhard MICHAELIS
worked with my father in the 1930s in my father's uncle's family business in
the small Western Transvaal town of Sannieshof where I grew up.

I hope this helps. Kind regards, Rabbi Philip Heilbrunn heilbrunn@...

PS You are welcome to share theis email with other Gersiggers as I don't
seem to be able to do emails in plain text" [reply to heilbrunn@...]


Re: MICHAELIS #germany

M&M Schejtman <m&mschejtman@...>
 

Hello all,
Since the MICHAELIS name is very common in both Jewish and non-Jewish
families in Germany, I am having a hard time tracking down my own family.

I am looking for the MICHAELIS family >from Halle an der Saale.
My grandfather Eugen MICHAELIS was already born in Hamburg in 1906, but
his father Karl (Samuel) was born in Halle. Karl's father was Michael
MICHAELIS (b abt. 1850). It was always a joke in our family that the
MICHAELIS family were oest Juden, so we think that maybe they came >from
Prussia/Poland to Germany, but we have no proof. Thanks

Merav Schejtman Jerusalem <m&mschejtman@...>

Also searching: DURLACHER Kippenheim, Schmieheim and Orschweier - all in
Baden But also in Hamburg >from the early 20th century


Family from Darsuniskis #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I am searching for a family >from Darsuniskis in Lithuania (also
Darshinoshuk) but the surname is a problem.

This couple's first names are Bezalel and Hinia Gitel.
The surname their children who came to America took was RIPSTEIN, but I
was told this was not the original name.
Therefore if anyone can identify a couple with these two first names
from this town who lived in the period about 1820 to 1890 it is worth my
looking at.
It is possible if not probable than Hinia Gitel came to America.

Paul Silverstone
New York
www.paulsilverstone.com

Please reply to:
paulh@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note Paul's return address (above)


German SIG #Germany Re: MICHAELIS #germany

M&M Schejtman <m&mschejtman@...>
 

Hello all,
Since the MICHAELIS name is very common in both Jewish and non-Jewish
families in Germany, I am having a hard time tracking down my own family.

I am looking for the MICHAELIS family >from Halle an der Saale.
My grandfather Eugen MICHAELIS was already born in Hamburg in 1906, but
his father Karl (Samuel) was born in Halle. Karl's father was Michael
MICHAELIS (b abt. 1850). It was always a joke in our family that the
MICHAELIS family were oest Juden, so we think that maybe they came >from
Prussia/Poland to Germany, but we have no proof. Thanks

Merav Schejtman Jerusalem <m&mschejtman@...>

Also searching: DURLACHER Kippenheim, Schmieheim and Orschweier - all in
Baden But also in Hamburg >from the early 20th century


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family from Darsuniskis #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I am searching for a family >from Darsuniskis in Lithuania (also
Darshinoshuk) but the surname is a problem.

This couple's first names are Bezalel and Hinia Gitel.
The surname their children who came to America took was RIPSTEIN, but I
was told this was not the original name.
Therefore if anyone can identify a couple with these two first names
from this town who lived in the period about 1820 to 1890 it is worth my
looking at.
It is possible if not probable than Hinia Gitel came to America.

Paul Silverstone
New York
www.paulsilverstone.com

Please reply to:
paulh@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note Paul's return address (above)


Re: MICHAELIS and related families - BOOK CITE #germany

Bernard Lowe
 

I am in possession of publication by Hans Liedke "Zur Geschichte der Juden
in Schwalenberg" (Detmold 1993) - A History of the Jews in Schwalenberg. It
lists the descendents of one Moses MICHEL, >from the town on Schwalenberg,
(Lippe-Detmold) who adopted the name MICHAELIS in 1809.

If anyone in this group has an interest in this information, I can make it
available privately.

Bernard Lowe Merion, PA <benoniboy@...>

MOD NOTE: Please send a full citation for this publication to gersig@...
including the ISBN number, number of pages, author, publisher, date and place
of publication etc. It should be included in the list of these books at our
website. Thank you.


German SIG #Germany Re: MICHAELIS and related families - BOOK CITE #germany

Bernard Lowe
 

I am in possession of publication by Hans Liedke "Zur Geschichte der Juden
in Schwalenberg" (Detmold 1993) - A History of the Jews in Schwalenberg. It
lists the descendents of one Moses MICHEL, >from the town on Schwalenberg,
(Lippe-Detmold) who adopted the name MICHAELIS in 1809.

If anyone in this group has an interest in this information, I can make it
available privately.

Bernard Lowe Merion, PA <benoniboy@...>

MOD NOTE: Please send a full citation for this publication to gersig@...
including the ISBN number, number of pages, author, publisher, date and place
of publication etc. It should be included in the list of these books at our
website. Thank you.